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Tedermaan
There are only 2 Fallout games; the first and the second. The rest is a pile of failures...
zk101
that game was actually trash. and kotor2 sucked as well
FoeOfFauxPho
Fallout 3 was good tho. That simulation part where you're in a black & white matrix ... next level shit. & in line with that fallout feel.
frogbuster
I love the fallouts that i've played, 3, nv, and 4 in that order. i still will play any fallout that comes out because of the immense story
Jocktopus
Quality af meme.
tanband123452718
This ain't true at all. Bethesda has done a great job with the Fallout series. Obsidian can go screw off
jaxems
I started with fallout 3 but new vegas was the better game and story.
notfscot8
I like the pedigree of Outer World's, but ....
empmeiisbae
fallout 3/4 suck
EADimgur
Honestly FNV was a let down because the Legion was as interesting as any raider group. They had so much potential, and were a total let down
Brenderous
yeah pillars of eternity is much better than fallout. upvoted.
NextineX
As a fan of most of Obsidians games, and most Bethesda games... both companies can fuck themselves. Obsidian less so.
just4favs
Fuckin' A right. F3 was my first, NV was my best, F4 is better forgotten.
nommon
I'm confused. I thoroughly enjoyed all of the fallout games I've played (so 3 onwards).
Zeo777
Same
xshinobi
Obsidian always does it better.
IHeartBouncyThings
My experience with both products has been exceptional.
AltFFour
I mean, fallout was never a popular series until Bethesda bought it. Nv and fo4 we're more true to the original, so they got that going
BigBossTheMSFCommander
How is 4 true to the original? It has less RPG elements than the other games, your backstory was fed to you unlike the courier
johnnysinswastaken
I've played every fallout game, 1-4, and NV was the only one worth playing, to be honest
drewzzard
I get why people love Nv. I have yet to finish it and while I enjoy it I don't feel myself drawn to finish it or explore anymore it's weird
CoffeeyCore
Go back to it every half year. Mod it a bit. You'll somehow always end up somewhere new and find different quests
Console ????
In that case, do it without modding. Still fun
ScrewHavinAUsername
Am I too old? i don't know any of these....
gonzar09
Personally liked both NV and FO4, but NV gave me such a damn headache with its instability issues, almost twice as bad with me than FO4.
KeeleonOhms
Wait, do people not like FO4?
Ryannewton85
I quite liked it if I'm honest. Wasn't the best game I've played but certainly kept me playing. Currently replaying through oblivion atm.
LordoftheDance
Can't stand it. Awful dialogue/choices. Shallow as hell. So very shallow. Honestly it blindsided me completely how bad it was.
Shrike99
I just love how you get four dialogue choices but most of the time they have the same outcome. Your choices don't matter at all. Bad RPG.
Also i wish i had been able to not kill Kellogg, seemed like a cool dude. But my dialogue choices were 4 variations of 'die you bastard!'
Moistinatining
It has to do with game feel. In New Vegas you felt like you were your character. YOU were the courier and you could've been anyone 1/
or anything. The courier's personality was shaped by you alone. While the DLC did add a point where the courier delivered mail to a place 2/
aside from that, the courier was your own guy. You could be the Wasteland-savvy adventurer, knowing the ins and outs of the land 3/
you could be a tech genius, building and repairing your way to laser and plasma weapons 4/
you could be a pacifist, doing your best to talk your way out of each and every situation you come across 5/
jay20003000
C'mon now everyone wanting to say Bethesda the best....no one will ever replace the original black isle did a fantastic job on the cont.
I still go back to MOST of the Black Isle games. They still hold up decently v
shhep
Compared to F1 and 2, Bethesda fallouts are about as dark, edgy and brutal as butter.
First 2 games....I was disappointed that 3 wasn't like the first 2 soooooo
GrayFish
I preferred Fallout 3 and 4 to New Vegas though...
CountFistula
Same. NV had so many bugs that I couldn't enjoy it.
johnsmith6333
That's just a garbage opinion all around
SENTIONAUTS
On one hand, we all have different opinions on things. On other hand....
ThanksToDenialImImmortal
You know what i would prefer? New vegas on the FO4 engine. That would be heavenly.
LizardEnterprises
They're making it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJ4-03Bz84
I know. Thanks anyway. :)
Jason1846VanHouten
I liked the gameplay in new Vegas , but preferred the setting of Fallout 3
schmobius
I actually go back and forth on which one I like better.
SmolTenk
Atmosphere. Way better in 3 imho.
DrewBerg
Totally agree. New Vegas setting was suuuuper boring. I still prefer 3 to NV
UncleLogan
This. New Vegas is arguably the better game, but it lacked the despair and grit of the capital wasteland.
BumNanner
More like grit and despair of subway tunnels
CaptCanada
i can see that but i was a fan of the first 2 games, the sands are warm and welcoming
Desomega
I felt there was plenty of grit by the time I walked into a crucifixion party.
You can't win the lottery if you don't play!
VerdantApollo
Degenerates like you belong on a cross.
YoSoyMilk
I just want a PS4 version of new vegas. That'll hold me over til the next fallout or elder scrolls game.
vitfall
The next six of each will be rereleases of FO4 and Skyrim, though. :(
rauche
There's hope though. http://www.gamingrespawn.com/news/25182/bethesda-hiring-elder-scrolls-6/ Assuming the speculation turns out to be right
Nekyn
They said multiple times the team will work on two completely new IPs before TES VI will start. Also, some months ago they haven't [1]
even written a single line of code. It will come out in 6-8 years I guess. [2]
Yayness
I need some context here...
Thedragonbitch
That lady farted and that fellow loves farts
whatupmyknitters
i don't really get it either, but all i notice about this pic is that those two women look like the same person
TurkeyyAljamaa42
Obsidian is the original fallout creators and bethesda took the game in 2004 after the company went bankrupt
ProfessionalJalapenoWrangler
Ditto
Story-wise, Obsidian made LotR trilogy, while Bethesda made Hobbit trilogy but spent some $25 million more on marketing.
Best analogy ever.
MrOnikuma
Obsidian made Fallout New Vegas, a really good game, and Bethesda made all the other fallout games. That should be enough to get it ????
vampirehedgehog
All the other 3D Fallout games. Let's not forget Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics.
dentd
*two of the other Fallout games.
LethalSalad
Explanation: Obsidian made New Vegas, praised by most to be the best 3D fallout game, and Bethesda made the others. However, Obsidian 1/?
isn't allowed/contacted by Bethesda to make a part 5 or something, no matter how much fallout fans want it. So, in this meme, 2/3
the maker compares Obsidian to some kind of ex the man still has feelings for, with Bethesda, the "current chick" being jealous 3/3
7hatsBollocks
Great summation! (And that makes me sad.)
LooseCannonSpock
I see Bethesda developing into more of an insecure, controlling/manipulative, toxic parent archetype in the relationship with Fallout.
Aaaaaaaaaah Thx!
Squantoon
I still cant figure out why people like Bethesda games tbh.
thenipplebandit
Oh and if you like darksouls you probably won't like these if you play for the hardcore punishment if you don't know what you're doing.
There fun! I have played through skyrim, fallout4, and fallout nv and had more fun with them than any other games I've played
You want a good fantasy RPG you got the elder scrolls series. You want a RPG shooter you got fallout. Bethesda was the shit.
And if they release a non online GOOD fallout or elder scrolls they will become the shit again.
Im still waiting on the first good one to be released
Without the bugs what are your thoughts on new vegas
Bethesda didn't make new Vegas
Theyve used the same engine for 20 years now. And bugs that were in morrowind are still bugs in every game since
Just look at the frostbite if you don't get what I'm saying.
That's where you're somewhat wrong
Games even if they use an outdated engine can still be fixed with updates.
So saying bugs from previous games are still there is not completely true.
justpassingby47
Are they going to make another?
n080dy123
Bethesda got the rights to make 3 Fallout games when they got it from whatever company made 1 and 2, so 5 is a real probability.
kohrah
Black Isle is a whatever company? kids these days...
UnreasonablyImprudentPerson
Yea skyrim but now in 4K
NocturnalGreed
No, they're busy making Pillars of Eternity 2
So they're wasting their time making a game for one unethical publisher instead of the other. Great.
I really don't care about the publishers, Pillars of Eternity 1 was amazing, and I'm excited for the second
To me it doesnt matter how amazing it is, if buying it gives money to a publisher that raises prices during sales to put a higher % discount
Oh wow, a standard business practice. You're right, totally ruins a game. Sure, that practice is scummy, but it effects me in no way.
Twiggeh
That would've been wonderful, but dont hold your breath
beaubrent
They should create one set overseas.
That's a bit like making a movie about the Tudor dynasty set in Peru. Fallout is a caricature of 50's anti-commie 'Murica. Needs 'Murica.
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
It really only became that when Bethesda took over, in the originals it was a lot more subtle.
I played 1 & 2. It was definitely there too, and not subtle.
With how Bethesda treated them, who knows, also most of the people who worked on new Vegas don't work at obsidian anymore.
Or at least the ones who worked on the original fallouts.
KraftyKev
They're still there. Thery are doing isometric RPGs, Pillars of Eternity and some other one, can't remember name
I know for sure that Chris avellone left, and he's pretty much the brain behind every fallout story and lore.
Tyranny! As another legendary game states: "It's good to be bad."
Jomini001
The team that did NV is supposedly working on one that takes place in the Deep South.
poobacca
I thought I read New Orleans specifically
I hope you're right.
TheAmazingBlahaj
Luthrid
Diet Koke
Lamech777
I'm hoping they will work on one where the West factions meet the East factions around the great divide.
HeroOfKvatch1
As a southerner, Hell fucking yes.
nyaore
I would die if this was true.
IsometricExerciseCareToJoinMe
http://www.gamezone.com/news/no-obsidian-is-not-making-a-fallout-new-vegas-sequel-3450340 Unfortunately, it's just a rumor. Fuck.
Hey, Fallout 4 being in Boston was just a rumor for awhile before it was announced. It could still happen.
AggresiveSquinter
Sauce now
Hillhome
I want one set in Australia. Think of all the things that want to kill you that already live there! It would be awesome
Eh. Would be nogunz. Who wants that?
I remember when New Vegas came out, and people bitched because it wasn't enough like Fallout 3, and wished Bethesda made it. Funny.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
People still get that way about it.
AaronPankey
New Vegas sucked total cock on ps3.
SirJangle
Yeah... The PS3 just did NOT like that engine they used for some reason, Skyrim had similar issues and was basically just unplayable.
Molvanian
There wasn't a lot of that from what I saw. However, credit where credit is due. 3 had more varied terrain, and more well placed combat,
...Even if 3 kinda controlled like crap.
TresusIbor
I just bitched because the music selection was shit. FUCK Johnny Guitar.
arshesnei8
ShinyMatador
Theeeeere was neeever amaaaaan like my Joohnny
Dragonsaure
Have some Skyrim. One can never have enough Skyrim. Better get used to it, you're gonna get Skyrim until 2250...
Jason0625
i still hold that opinion, because as good as the writing is in new vegas is, i cant tell its better and im not going pretend i can tell.
Sturmgeschutz
I don't remember that at all. I had only heard that New Vegas was good.
WarPenguinMan
I was one of those people. I think it was because there were a lot of mechanical problems that got in the way of a truly amazing 1/?
experience. Fact of the matter is, the game just wasn't finished, and a lot of Fallout 3 fans noticed this. I don't think they 2/?
knew what was happening behind the scenes, but the game was literally cut in development time. That left a lot of the new mechanics very 3/?
slipshod and janky, like the disguise system for example. Not to mention a metric fuck ton of glitches. But later down the line, many 4/?
people I knew, myself included, reflected on New Vegas a lot more because it was so much deeper on a philosophical level. The story was 5/?
IDontKnowWhatToDoWithMyHands
I thought it was too much like Fallout 3, it looked exactly the same but in a different setting.
LuukeSkywalker
Yea if felt like a modded version of F3! Except with more in depth story though I still like both of the stories just wish there was a way..
To really join the enclave in fallout 3
Zodiak69
Okay. Bethesda, Obsidian, F3, F4, FNV and stuff. Maybe because I am 27 now and Fallout 2 was *my childhood game*, yet any of those got me...
HandleDjently
Always preferred New Vegas over FO3. Couldn't really get into it.
MesserAuditore
I'm still like that. No offense to Obsidian, but I just can't get into the extra mechanics of NV. I don't even know why.
deathbat428
How dare you interfere with the circle jerk! You monster!
NotNotDeadpool
At least they don't patch it to death
AtlanticPENUMBRA
I'm not gonna downvote you -- but I thought about it. And I'd bang your mom while listening to my spurs jingle jangle jiiiingle....
FlightlessWingz
Jingle jangle
DarkZalgo
Wait, what extra mechanics? I don't remember the gameplay being significantly different than fo3 other than being able to add more to guns
Mods to guns*
I remember there being different ammo & armor types and I hated juggling them. Among other things.
With over 150 hours in the game I couldn't tell you what the different ammo did other than the ones that said more damage.
I didn't even know there were different armor types. I only ever got whatever armor looked coolest.
You can go the entire game with only default ammo. I didnt touch a couple crafting bench for my first few play throughs.
I never really touched the crafting benches. They're almost never worth it.
JackMolotov
Honestly i still like F3 better than NV. Just for story, though.
CanadianGiraffe
I can't remember a thing that I like more in 3 than NV.
Wellshiet
Are you trying to trigger me? 'Cause I'm taking the bait and swallowing it whole. I'm about to scream.
I'm sorry random internet person
It's alright. I feel better now.
thefreedomfry
...and Location, characters, exploration and overall feel.
Horseymcfaceyface
the story in F3 is shite how can you like it?
Maybe some people simply enjoy entertainment instead of nitpicking like an entitled cuck.
I'm sorry I insulted your game didn't know I was a cuck
New Vegas was my first step into Fallout. Unfortunately, every other step has felt like going down a stair case. Such a great game and DLCs.
zed00m
New Vegas was my first Fallout game too. Now it's the only one I find worth playing.
BestestKobold
Same. I'm still wishing for a nuclear winter.
GeraldWithTheFingerNails
Did you experience the "Doc spinning head" bug? That was terrifying.
Dontracemebrah
NV was my second. I loved F3 and it became my life. NV was like a chore to me. Never got to finish it. Hadn't finished F4 either.
What didn't you like about NV?
Everything was "meh" until my I accidentally shot an NCR guy and only decent save was right before the companions attacked too.
After I got that sorted out, I think I just progressed to fast. Just didn't feel right. One day I'll go back and start over.
wvanonymous
I showed up on the Strip in Brotherhood power armor. It took a while to figure out how to unwind that one. Still love it.
TabletsForPorn
Fallout 3, explored the originals, fell in love with NV when it got out, FO4.... just leaves a hole
MsSparkles
v
FuryofHoboken
idk enjoyed fo4 in a different way plot was meh but the combat was enjoyable moreso than 3 and nv imo def not as good as nv but still nice
Agreed but fallout has such amazing potential for story and it's wasted on Bethesda
AGiantTransWoman
As I explain it to people - it's a fantastic shooter, it's a fucking TERRIBLE Fallout title.
AndThenThereWereSquirrels
Install the Horizon mod and it's even a good survival game. Story is still painfully bad. Setting would be alright if it wasn't "Fallout".
As an avid Fallout fan, we need to let go. FO4 is like keeping a 20 y. old, paralyzed dog alive on dialysis because we're sentimental.
Sakkura
You can always play Wasteland 2 instead (or Wasteland 3 in a couple years).
OneN7billion
Yea... And it is already more than a bit like fallout 3 with a fuckload of plastic surgery at this point
Gawky
I like large parts of Fo4 with extensive modding
ImSorryThatIWasBornIdentifyingAsTheSexThatIActuallyAm
I'm glad someone said it like this. Stop trying to make FO4 happen. It sucked and that's just all there is to it.
Doozy90
chrisdafish
That was specific
captaingrump
Lol I liked Fo4 a lot. But I mean. It was just minecraft.
IloveHockey
How is it like mineshit?
Cause it's a resource slog to build cool buildings until you start to mod it till it crashes and sometimes you kill stuff
You sound more like a "It was better in my day" sort of guy.
lol, maybe so! I wasn't around for FO1,2,tactics. Was for 3 and NV. I still think 1>NV,2>4>3.
I was. The earlier games had a LOT of good points, don't get me wrong, but we can't gloss over the problems of the early ones, but not the C
later ones. Hell, in Fallout 1 you could be trapped, forever, by NPC pathing, since the Push command didn't show up till 2. I never liked
the rather limited (compared to everything else) options you had with the runners, and 2 had plenty of cut content that left dangling
Tofubutton
Yeah i played it for a few hours and finally said fuck it
Ohhhlookaunicorneatingasamurai
So you're saying you need to find your paralyzed dog in FO5?
DarthSpyder7
How soon till I can pre order and get the exclusive Black Fatman.... That sounded less racist in my head...
That kind of name will get you bad flack, man.
haveanothergif
*Flack Batman... haha, it's funny because it has "flack" and it's promotional
GodEmperor0fMankind
4 isn't as good as New Vegas, but I still like it more than 3.
SwashbucklingForJustice
I know people are upset about the roleplaying, but the world-building and atmosphere in Fallout 4 were top notch.
Nuanra
It's great but it feels more like "Sims: Nuclear Apocalypse Edition" than a Fallout game.
CaptainRuse
The problem with FO4 was people followed the hype train too hard to the point anything would have disappointed. I still love it though.
weedbratton
There just wasn't enough content ..I also hated how there weren't many guilds like skyrim
SmellyPotatoMan
I had only played 10 minutes of FoNV before 4. Went back after finishing 4. NewVegas without any doubt, is much better both story & gameplay
The problem is people like you can't read, because there's been a fuckloads of valid criticism concerning lack of ANY good narrative in F4
making it about as deep and compelling as Transformers movie. Pretty pictures, spectacle, nothing else. Oh and obvious plot twist.
hype aside, the story and roleplaying elements are seriously lacking for a FO game.
12rt2345g342563
I knew it was going to be a standard Bethesda mess from the start. And I got exactly what I expected.
Thesacrificialpancake
Just started playing it. First Fallout I have played. I like it.
Leorathan
ditto
DispleasedLurker
Gotta play with mods, best way to play. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/
JokeDestroyer
Yeah, you're gonna like it because it's the first one you've played. The story and writing is abysmal compared to Interplay's games.
FO4 is awesome. Power armor revamp was a wonderful idea, and settlement building. Settlement building!
Pheralg
General!...about those settlements, you know...
Yeah but it's all but broken without mods
stinkingyeti
I dunno, i had plenty of fun with it before mods. It's like most of their games, the standard is pretty great, mods make them awesome.
Like literally every other fallout game?
I was referring specifically to settlement building, but you certainly have a point.
Sonicdahedgie
What did settlement building do, other than be a playtime padding function that distracted from the actual gameplay?
Its hella fun? I have 1400 hours in Fo4. I've never completed the game. I have downloaded every remotely-functional settlement mod.
You wanna know what pads my playtime? The fucking quests I have to do while I wait for Trashcan Carla to get another shipment of Crystal.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
I don't know about you, but when something is in the game and interacts with the rest of the game, I think it counts as actual gameplay too.
I liked the redesign of power armor; I just think it's tacky to immediately give the player what usually is an elusive end-game behemoth.
HankHell2400
"An elusive end-game behemoth"? Did you even play the original games? It was piss easy to obtain. And NV required that stupid perk still.
Dunno about Tactics, but FO1-2, NV & 3 all made it pretty inaccessible for newer players. Later iterations required training as well.
Well thats just not true. Fo3 you could grab power armor from brotherhood outcasts literally the moment you left the vault.
1/3 T-45 is hardly endgame, and there's value to introducing the player to a core mechanic in what is essentially the tutorial.
2/3 Its also fucking awesome to mow down a death claw in power armor an hour into a new game. Gets you hooked fast.
I get why they shoehorned in the power armor, it just makes me sad. Feels cheap compared to the other series' versions.
3/3 That said, they could/should have found a way to take the power armor out of commission for the next few hours. Maybe blow up the core?
SirCaptainDoctorProfessorMeowMeow
Power armor revamp was a good idea. I just wish the helmet had more of a helmet look in first person. Like the project Nevada mod for 1/?
New Vegas. Settlement building was nice but enemies spawning inside your base when you fast travel during an attack is a big issue. As 2/?
build walls. enemies spawn behind said walls. uhm, ok then.
Its an issue, but you can move the spawn points with mods.
Well as the fact that it doesn't matter how much defenses you have after a certain point. If you don't go to your settlement that's 3/?
Under attack then the people usually die.4/4
Thats annoying, but totally moddable.
TimeKeepsOnMoving
Fallout 1 was one of the best games I've ever played.
ballsohard2202
That's pure nostalgia talking man. It's one of the most clunky top down RPGs I've ever played
....I played it for the first time last year.
And you enjoy it? I played it back in like 2000, it was and still is a clunky mess.
AsABlackMan
I like fallout 4 though. I think we're spoiled because it isn't a standard Fallout game but it was a good game overall
Nipplebuttsalad
Good gameplay and terrible writing. Was enjoyable but I didn't feel it was a good game
Feriority
It was a good shooter with an awful RPG tacked onto it for no reason.
mistersaIvage
I appreciate the fact that they announced it and released it the same year. It was a huge surprise. I got it instead of Battlefront.
The dialogue, characters and main story were all very ho-hum. They put too much effort into settlements. Good game other than that.
Derakor
fallout 4 did two things very right, Combat and graphics, everything FNV did better
Everything else FNV did better*
GngrbrdMan
Agreed. I play it like an fps survival and not an rpg.
"spoiled"? Play Wither 3 then talk about being fucking spoiled. F4 had no voice acting, no writing, was buggy as fuck and cost fuckloads.
neochiken1
The writing in witches 3 was excellent... but the combat felt more samey to me than dynasty warriors
Just like in F4, which has famously boring gun handling. So it's equal on combat and totally not equal in most other aspects.
TheSuperJohn
Good game, bad fallout
A "standard" Fallout game is still an isometric point and click turn based strategy RPG. While I LOVE the new Fallouts I wouldnt mind those.
Jeddaven
I didn't enjoy playing it. That doesn't make me spoiled.
Why though? Other than the dialogue options nothing was really that bad. The perk system wasn't the greatest but combat was sooo much better
FaxCelestis
That doesn't make it a bad game either. It makes it a game you don't like.
[deleted]
FO4 was a better fallout game than skyrim was an elder scrolls game
mrsuzukiami
See I disagree. Now FO and ES run a different track. ES being a open vast wasteland is part of the game. FO being a open wasteland...
AltEff4
Do you want to say yes, yes, sarcastic yes, or no until you say yes
1] Yes 2] Yes, but pay me {SPEECH} 3] Yes (sarcastic) 4] Shaun?
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1235 is an improvement but not really a big one.
It's a decent game, just a bad fallout one. It'd be better if they just made it into it's own IP.
Meaning, a non-Fallout game.
I went into it with the hype of a new post apocalyptic game rather than a new Fallout game. Was very delighted with it. 270 hours so far.
TristenKent
Bethesda is making Starfield. Sci-fi rogue so that could be it
Sapandcap
If it released in a near playable state I could agree
It did on console. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
RaynWisp
Arguable. It has savegame size issue where if the save gets too long it starts to freeze randomly. PS4/XB1 both.
I think that's fair to say but the Fallout brand gave it it's charms New Vegas is personally my favorite but I thought they did fine with it
TheMortiestMortyfromC137
Nv just had way more content.
Exactly, 4 had 2 Big DLCs and 2 DLCs that should have been in the game, and 1 lie (Vault tec workshop) automatron was fun, but NV had (1)
New Vegas is my favorite of the 3D Fallout games; too bad we won't see more like games from that studio.
I would love a remaster of it with more music and sprinting plus fallout 4 VATS I think that's all it needs
Tedermaan
There are only 2 Fallout games; the first and the second. The rest is a pile of failures...
zk101
that game was actually trash. and kotor2 sucked as well
FoeOfFauxPho
Fallout 3 was good tho. That simulation part where you're in a black & white matrix ... next level shit. & in line with that fallout feel.
frogbuster
I love the fallouts that i've played, 3, nv, and 4 in that order. i still will play any fallout that comes out because of the immense story
Jocktopus
Quality af meme.
tanband123452718
This ain't true at all. Bethesda has done a great job with the Fallout series. Obsidian can go screw off
jaxems
I started with fallout 3 but new vegas was the better game and story.
notfscot8
I like the pedigree of Outer World's, but ....
empmeiisbae
fallout 3/4 suck
EADimgur
Honestly FNV was a let down because the Legion was as interesting as any raider group. They had so much potential, and were a total let down
Brenderous
yeah pillars of eternity is much better than fallout. upvoted.
NextineX
As a fan of most of Obsidians games, and most Bethesda games... both companies can fuck themselves. Obsidian less so.
just4favs
Fuckin' A right. F3 was my first, NV was my best, F4 is better forgotten.
nommon
I'm confused. I thoroughly enjoyed all of the fallout games I've played (so 3 onwards).
Zeo777
Same
xshinobi
Obsidian always does it better.
IHeartBouncyThings
My experience with both products has been exceptional.
AltFFour
I mean, fallout was never a popular series until Bethesda bought it. Nv and fo4 we're more true to the original, so they got that going
BigBossTheMSFCommander
How is 4 true to the original? It has less RPG elements than the other games, your backstory was fed to you unlike the courier
johnnysinswastaken
I've played every fallout game, 1-4, and NV was the only one worth playing, to be honest
drewzzard
I get why people love Nv. I have yet to finish it and while I enjoy it I don't feel myself drawn to finish it or explore anymore it's weird
CoffeeyCore
Go back to it every half year. Mod it a bit. You'll somehow always end up somewhere new and find different quests
drewzzard
Console ????
CoffeeyCore
In that case, do it without modding. Still fun
ScrewHavinAUsername
Am I too old? i don't know any of these....
gonzar09
Personally liked both NV and FO4, but NV gave me such a damn headache with its instability issues, almost twice as bad with me than FO4.
KeeleonOhms
Wait, do people not like FO4?
Ryannewton85
I quite liked it if I'm honest. Wasn't the best game I've played but certainly kept me playing. Currently replaying through oblivion atm.
LordoftheDance
Can't stand it. Awful dialogue/choices. Shallow as hell. So very shallow. Honestly it blindsided me completely how bad it was.
Shrike99
I just love how you get four dialogue choices but most of the time they have the same outcome. Your choices don't matter at all. Bad RPG.
Shrike99
Also i wish i had been able to not kill Kellogg, seemed like a cool dude. But my dialogue choices were 4 variations of 'die you bastard!'
Moistinatining
It has to do with game feel. In New Vegas you felt like you were your character. YOU were the courier and you could've been anyone 1/
Moistinatining
or anything. The courier's personality was shaped by you alone. While the DLC did add a point where the courier delivered mail to a place 2/
Moistinatining
aside from that, the courier was your own guy. You could be the Wasteland-savvy adventurer, knowing the ins and outs of the land 3/
Moistinatining
you could be a tech genius, building and repairing your way to laser and plasma weapons 4/
Moistinatining
you could be a pacifist, doing your best to talk your way out of each and every situation you come across 5/
jay20003000
C'mon now everyone wanting to say Bethesda the best....no one will ever replace the original black isle did a fantastic job on the cont.
CoffeeyCore
I still go back to MOST of the Black Isle games. They still hold up decently v
shhep
Compared to F1 and 2, Bethesda fallouts are about as dark, edgy and brutal as butter.
jay20003000
First 2 games....I was disappointed that 3 wasn't like the first 2 soooooo
GrayFish
I preferred Fallout 3 and 4 to New Vegas though...
CountFistula
Same. NV had so many bugs that I couldn't enjoy it.
johnsmith6333
That's just a garbage opinion all around
SENTIONAUTS
On one hand, we all have different opinions on things. On other hand....
ThanksToDenialImImmortal
You know what i would prefer? New vegas on the FO4 engine. That would be heavenly.
LizardEnterprises
They're making it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJ4-03Bz84
ThanksToDenialImImmortal
I know. Thanks anyway. :)
Jason1846VanHouten
I liked the gameplay in new Vegas , but preferred the setting of Fallout 3
schmobius
I actually go back and forth on which one I like better.
SmolTenk
Atmosphere. Way better in 3 imho.
DrewBerg
Totally agree. New Vegas setting was suuuuper boring. I still prefer 3 to NV
UncleLogan
This. New Vegas is arguably the better game, but it lacked the despair and grit of the capital wasteland.
BumNanner
More like grit and despair of subway tunnels
CaptCanada
i can see that but i was a fan of the first 2 games, the sands are warm and welcoming
Desomega
I felt there was plenty of grit by the time I walked into a crucifixion party.
UncleLogan
You can't win the lottery if you don't play!
VerdantApollo
Degenerates like you belong on a cross.
YoSoyMilk
I just want a PS4 version of new vegas. That'll hold me over til the next fallout or elder scrolls game.
vitfall
The next six of each will be rereleases of FO4 and Skyrim, though. :(
rauche
There's hope though. http://www.gamingrespawn.com/news/25182/bethesda-hiring-elder-scrolls-6/ Assuming the speculation turns out to be right
Nekyn
They said multiple times the team will work on two completely new IPs before TES VI will start. Also, some months ago they haven't [1]
Nekyn
even written a single line of code. It will come out in 6-8 years I guess. [2]
Yayness
I need some context here...
Thedragonbitch
That lady farted and that fellow loves farts
whatupmyknitters
i don't really get it either, but all i notice about this pic is that those two women look like the same person
TurkeyyAljamaa42
Obsidian is the original fallout creators and bethesda took the game in 2004 after the company went bankrupt
ProfessionalJalapenoWrangler
Ditto
shhep
Story-wise, Obsidian made LotR trilogy, while Bethesda made Hobbit trilogy but spent some $25 million more on marketing.
LordoftheDance
Best analogy ever.
MrOnikuma
Obsidian made Fallout New Vegas, a really good game, and Bethesda made all the other fallout games. That should be enough to get it ????
vampirehedgehog
All the other 3D Fallout games. Let's not forget Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics.
dentd
*two of the other Fallout games.
LethalSalad
Explanation: Obsidian made New Vegas, praised by most to be the best 3D fallout game, and Bethesda made the others. However, Obsidian 1/?
LethalSalad
isn't allowed/contacted by Bethesda to make a part 5 or something, no matter how much fallout fans want it. So, in this meme, 2/3
LethalSalad
the maker compares Obsidian to some kind of ex the man still has feelings for, with Bethesda, the "current chick" being jealous 3/3
7hatsBollocks
Great summation! (And that makes me sad.)
LooseCannonSpock
I see Bethesda developing into more of an insecure, controlling/manipulative, toxic parent archetype in the relationship with Fallout.
Yayness
Aaaaaaaaaah Thx!
Squantoon
I still cant figure out why people like Bethesda games tbh.
thenipplebandit
Oh and if you like darksouls you probably won't like these if you play for the hardcore punishment if you don't know what you're doing.
Zeo777
There fun! I have played through skyrim, fallout4, and fallout nv and had more fun with them than any other games I've played
thenipplebandit
You want a good fantasy RPG you got the elder scrolls series. You want a RPG shooter you got fallout. Bethesda was the shit.
thenipplebandit
And if they release a non online GOOD fallout or elder scrolls they will become the shit again.
Squantoon
Im still waiting on the first good one to be released
thenipplebandit
Without the bugs what are your thoughts on new vegas
Squantoon
Bethesda didn't make new Vegas
Squantoon
Theyve used the same engine for 20 years now. And bugs that were in morrowind are still bugs in every game since
thenipplebandit
Just look at the frostbite if you don't get what I'm saying.
thenipplebandit
That's where you're somewhat wrong
thenipplebandit
Games even if they use an outdated engine can still be fixed with updates.
thenipplebandit
So saying bugs from previous games are still there is not completely true.
justpassingby47
Are they going to make another?
n080dy123
Bethesda got the rights to make 3 Fallout games when they got it from whatever company made 1 and 2, so 5 is a real probability.
kohrah
Black Isle is a whatever company? kids these days...
UnreasonablyImprudentPerson
Yea skyrim but now in 4K
NocturnalGreed
No, they're busy making Pillars of Eternity 2
NextineX
So they're wasting their time making a game for one unethical publisher instead of the other. Great.
NocturnalGreed
I really don't care about the publishers, Pillars of Eternity 1 was amazing, and I'm excited for the second
NextineX
To me it doesnt matter how amazing it is, if buying it gives money to a publisher that raises prices during sales to put a higher % discount
NocturnalGreed
Oh wow, a standard business practice. You're right, totally ruins a game. Sure, that practice is scummy, but it effects me in no way.
Twiggeh
That would've been wonderful, but dont hold your breath
beaubrent
They should create one set overseas.
schmobius
That's a bit like making a movie about the Tudor dynasty set in Peru. Fallout is a caricature of 50's anti-commie 'Murica. Needs 'Murica.
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
It really only became that when Bethesda took over, in the originals it was a lot more subtle.
schmobius
I played 1 & 2. It was definitely there too, and not subtle.
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
With how Bethesda treated them, who knows, also most of the people who worked on new Vegas don't work at obsidian anymore.
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
Or at least the ones who worked on the original fallouts.
KraftyKev
They're still there. Thery are doing isometric RPGs, Pillars of Eternity and some other one, can't remember name
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
I know for sure that Chris avellone left, and he's pretty much the brain behind every fallout story and lore.
CoffeeyCore
Tyranny! As another legendary game states: "It's good to be bad."
Jomini001
The team that did NV is supposedly working on one that takes place in the Deep South.
poobacca
I thought I read New Orleans specifically
schmobius
I hope you're right.
TheAmazingBlahaj
Luthrid
Diet Koke
Lamech777
I'm hoping they will work on one where the West factions meet the East factions around the great divide.
HeroOfKvatch1
As a southerner, Hell fucking yes.
nyaore
I would die if this was true.
IsometricExerciseCareToJoinMe
http://www.gamezone.com/news/no-obsidian-is-not-making-a-fallout-new-vegas-sequel-3450340 Unfortunately, it's just a rumor. Fuck.
HeroOfKvatch1
Hey, Fallout 4 being in Boston was just a rumor for awhile before it was announced. It could still happen.
AggresiveSquinter
Sauce now
Hillhome
I want one set in Australia. Think of all the things that want to kill you that already live there! It would be awesome
Jomini001
Eh. Would be nogunz. Who wants that?
NocturnalGreed
I remember when New Vegas came out, and people bitched because it wasn't enough like Fallout 3, and wished Bethesda made it. Funny.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
People still get that way about it.
AaronPankey
New Vegas sucked total cock on ps3.
SirJangle
Yeah... The PS3 just did NOT like that engine they used for some reason, Skyrim had similar issues and was basically just unplayable.
Molvanian
There wasn't a lot of that from what I saw. However, credit where credit is due. 3 had more varied terrain, and more well placed combat,
Molvanian
...Even if 3 kinda controlled like crap.
TresusIbor
I just bitched because the music selection was shit. FUCK Johnny Guitar.
arshesnei8
ShinyMatador
Theeeeere was neeever amaaaaan like my Joohnny
Dragonsaure
Have some Skyrim. One can never have enough Skyrim. Better get used to it, you're gonna get Skyrim until 2250...
Jason0625
i still hold that opinion, because as good as the writing is in new vegas is, i cant tell its better and im not going pretend i can tell.
Sturmgeschutz
I don't remember that at all. I had only heard that New Vegas was good.
WarPenguinMan
I was one of those people. I think it was because there were a lot of mechanical problems that got in the way of a truly amazing 1/?
WarPenguinMan
experience. Fact of the matter is, the game just wasn't finished, and a lot of Fallout 3 fans noticed this. I don't think they 2/?
WarPenguinMan
knew what was happening behind the scenes, but the game was literally cut in development time. That left a lot of the new mechanics very 3/?
WarPenguinMan
slipshod and janky, like the disguise system for example. Not to mention a metric fuck ton of glitches. But later down the line, many 4/?
WarPenguinMan
people I knew, myself included, reflected on New Vegas a lot more because it was so much deeper on a philosophical level. The story was 5/?
IDontKnowWhatToDoWithMyHands
I thought it was too much like Fallout 3, it looked exactly the same but in a different setting.
LuukeSkywalker
Yea if felt like a modded version of F3! Except with more in depth story though I still like both of the stories just wish there was a way..
LuukeSkywalker
To really join the enclave in fallout 3
Zodiak69
Okay. Bethesda, Obsidian, F3, F4, FNV and stuff. Maybe because I am 27 now and Fallout 2 was *my childhood game*, yet any of those got me...
HandleDjently
Always preferred New Vegas over FO3. Couldn't really get into it.
MesserAuditore
I'm still like that. No offense to Obsidian, but I just can't get into the extra mechanics of NV. I don't even know why.
deathbat428
How dare you interfere with the circle jerk! You monster!
NotNotDeadpool
At least they don't patch it to death
AtlanticPENUMBRA
I'm not gonna downvote you -- but I thought about it. And I'd bang your mom while listening to my spurs jingle jangle jiiiingle....
FlightlessWingz
Jingle jangle
DarkZalgo
Wait, what extra mechanics? I don't remember the gameplay being significantly different than fo3 other than being able to add more to guns
DarkZalgo
Mods to guns*
MesserAuditore
I remember there being different ammo & armor types and I hated juggling them. Among other things.
DarkZalgo
With over 150 hours in the game I couldn't tell you what the different ammo did other than the ones that said more damage.
DarkZalgo
I didn't even know there were different armor types. I only ever got whatever armor looked coolest.
vitfall
You can go the entire game with only default ammo. I didnt touch a couple crafting bench for my first few play throughs.
DarkZalgo
I never really touched the crafting benches. They're almost never worth it.
JackMolotov
Honestly i still like F3 better than NV. Just for story, though.
CanadianGiraffe
I can't remember a thing that I like more in 3 than NV.
Wellshiet
Are you trying to trigger me? 'Cause I'm taking the bait and swallowing it whole. I'm about to scream.
JackMolotov
I'm sorry random internet person
Wellshiet
It's alright. I feel better now.
thefreedomfry
...and Location, characters, exploration and overall feel.
Horseymcfaceyface
the story in F3 is shite how can you like it?
NocturnalGreed
Maybe some people simply enjoy entertainment instead of nitpicking like an entitled cuck.
Horseymcfaceyface
I'm sorry I insulted your game didn't know I was a cuck
vitfall
New Vegas was my first step into Fallout. Unfortunately, every other step has felt like going down a stair case. Such a great game and DLCs.
zed00m
New Vegas was my first Fallout game too. Now it's the only one I find worth playing.
BestestKobold
Same. I'm still wishing for a nuclear winter.
GeraldWithTheFingerNails
Did you experience the "Doc spinning head" bug? That was terrifying.
Dontracemebrah
NV was my second. I loved F3 and it became my life. NV was like a chore to me. Never got to finish it. Hadn't finished F4 either.
vitfall
What didn't you like about NV?
Dontracemebrah
Everything was "meh" until my I accidentally shot an NCR guy and only decent save was right before the companions attacked too.
Dontracemebrah
After I got that sorted out, I think I just progressed to fast. Just didn't feel right. One day I'll go back and start over.
wvanonymous
I showed up on the Strip in Brotherhood power armor. It took a while to figure out how to unwind that one. Still love it.
TabletsForPorn
Fallout 3, explored the originals, fell in love with NV when it got out, FO4.... just leaves a hole
MsSparkles
FuryofHoboken
idk enjoyed fo4 in a different way plot was meh but the combat was enjoyable moreso than 3 and nv imo def not as good as nv but still nice
TabletsForPorn
Agreed but fallout has such amazing potential for story and it's wasted on Bethesda
AGiantTransWoman
As I explain it to people - it's a fantastic shooter, it's a fucking TERRIBLE Fallout title.
AndThenThereWereSquirrels
Install the Horizon mod and it's even a good survival game. Story is still painfully bad. Setting would be alright if it wasn't "Fallout".
VerdantApollo
As an avid Fallout fan, we need to let go. FO4 is like keeping a 20 y. old, paralyzed dog alive on dialysis because we're sentimental.
Sakkura
You can always play Wasteland 2 instead (or Wasteland 3 in a couple years).
OneN7billion
Yea... And it is already more than a bit like fallout 3 with a fuckload of plastic surgery at this point
Gawky
I like large parts of Fo4 with extensive modding
ImSorryThatIWasBornIdentifyingAsTheSexThatIActuallyAm
I'm glad someone said it like this. Stop trying to make FO4 happen. It sucked and that's just all there is to it.
Doozy90
chrisdafish
That was specific
captaingrump
Lol I liked Fo4 a lot. But I mean. It was just minecraft.
IloveHockey
How is it like mineshit?
captaingrump
Cause it's a resource slog to build cool buildings until you start to mod it till it crashes and sometimes you kill stuff
Molvanian
You sound more like a "It was better in my day" sort of guy.
VerdantApollo
lol, maybe so! I wasn't around for FO1,2,tactics. Was for 3 and NV. I still think 1>NV,2>4>3.
Molvanian
I was. The earlier games had a LOT of good points, don't get me wrong, but we can't gloss over the problems of the early ones, but not the C
Molvanian
later ones. Hell, in Fallout 1 you could be trapped, forever, by NPC pathing, since the Push command didn't show up till 2. I never liked
Molvanian
the rather limited (compared to everything else) options you had with the runners, and 2 had plenty of cut content that left dangling
Tofubutton
Yeah i played it for a few hours and finally said fuck it
Ohhhlookaunicorneatingasamurai
So you're saying you need to find your paralyzed dog in FO5?
DarthSpyder7
How soon till I can pre order and get the exclusive Black Fatman.... That sounded less racist in my head...
VerdantApollo
That kind of name will get you bad flack, man.
haveanothergif
*Flack Batman... haha, it's funny because it has "flack" and it's promotional
GodEmperor0fMankind
4 isn't as good as New Vegas, but I still like it more than 3.
SwashbucklingForJustice
I know people are upset about the roleplaying, but the world-building and atmosphere in Fallout 4 were top notch.
Nuanra
It's great but it feels more like "Sims: Nuclear Apocalypse Edition" than a Fallout game.
CaptainRuse
The problem with FO4 was people followed the hype train too hard to the point anything would have disappointed. I still love it though.
weedbratton
There just wasn't enough content ..I also hated how there weren't many guilds like skyrim
SmellyPotatoMan
I had only played 10 minutes of FoNV before 4. Went back after finishing 4. NewVegas without any doubt, is much better both story & gameplay
shhep
The problem is people like you can't read, because there's been a fuckloads of valid criticism concerning lack of ANY good narrative in F4
shhep
making it about as deep and compelling as Transformers movie. Pretty pictures, spectacle, nothing else. Oh and obvious plot twist.
VerdantApollo
hype aside, the story and roleplaying elements are seriously lacking for a FO game.
12rt2345g342563
I knew it was going to be a standard Bethesda mess from the start. And I got exactly what I expected.
Thesacrificialpancake
Just started playing it. First Fallout I have played. I like it.
Leorathan
ditto
DispleasedLurker
Gotta play with mods, best way to play. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/
JokeDestroyer
Yeah, you're gonna like it because it's the first one you've played. The story and writing is abysmal compared to Interplay's games.
LizardEnterprises
FO4 is awesome. Power armor revamp was a wonderful idea, and settlement building. Settlement building!
Pheralg
General!...about those settlements, you know...
haveanothergif
Yeah but it's all but broken without mods
stinkingyeti
I dunno, i had plenty of fun with it before mods. It's like most of their games, the standard is pretty great, mods make them awesome.
LizardEnterprises
Like literally every other fallout game?
haveanothergif
I was referring specifically to settlement building, but you certainly have a point.
Sonicdahedgie
What did settlement building do, other than be a playtime padding function that distracted from the actual gameplay?
LizardEnterprises
Its hella fun? I have 1400 hours in Fo4. I've never completed the game. I have downloaded every remotely-functional settlement mod.
LizardEnterprises
You wanna know what pads my playtime? The fucking quests I have to do while I wait for Trashcan Carla to get another shipment of Crystal.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
I don't know about you, but when something is in the game and interacts with the rest of the game, I think it counts as actual gameplay too.
VerdantApollo
I liked the redesign of power armor; I just think it's tacky to immediately give the player what usually is an elusive end-game behemoth.
HankHell2400
"An elusive end-game behemoth"? Did you even play the original games? It was piss easy to obtain. And NV required that stupid perk still.
VerdantApollo
Dunno about Tactics, but FO1-2, NV & 3 all made it pretty inaccessible for newer players. Later iterations required training as well.
LizardEnterprises
Well thats just not true. Fo3 you could grab power armor from brotherhood outcasts literally the moment you left the vault.
LizardEnterprises
1/3 T-45 is hardly endgame, and there's value to introducing the player to a core mechanic in what is essentially the tutorial.
LizardEnterprises
2/3 Its also fucking awesome to mow down a death claw in power armor an hour into a new game. Gets you hooked fast.
VerdantApollo
I get why they shoehorned in the power armor, it just makes me sad. Feels cheap compared to the other series' versions.
LizardEnterprises
3/3 That said, they could/should have found a way to take the power armor out of commission for the next few hours. Maybe blow up the core?
SirCaptainDoctorProfessorMeowMeow
Power armor revamp was a good idea. I just wish the helmet had more of a helmet look in first person. Like the project Nevada mod for 1/?
SirCaptainDoctorProfessorMeowMeow
New Vegas. Settlement building was nice but enemies spawning inside your base when you fast travel during an attack is a big issue. As 2/?
Pheralg
build walls. enemies spawn behind said walls. uhm, ok then.
LizardEnterprises
Its an issue, but you can move the spawn points with mods.
SirCaptainDoctorProfessorMeowMeow
Well as the fact that it doesn't matter how much defenses you have after a certain point. If you don't go to your settlement that's 3/?
SirCaptainDoctorProfessorMeowMeow
Under attack then the people usually die.4/4
LizardEnterprises
Thats annoying, but totally moddable.
TimeKeepsOnMoving
Fallout 1 was one of the best games I've ever played.
ballsohard2202
That's pure nostalgia talking man. It's one of the most clunky top down RPGs I've ever played
TimeKeepsOnMoving
....I played it for the first time last year.
ballsohard2202
And you enjoy it? I played it back in like 2000, it was and still is a clunky mess.
AsABlackMan
I like fallout 4 though. I think we're spoiled because it isn't a standard Fallout game but it was a good game overall
Nipplebuttsalad
Good gameplay and terrible writing. Was enjoyable but I didn't feel it was a good game
Feriority
It was a good shooter with an awful RPG tacked onto it for no reason.
mistersaIvage
I appreciate the fact that they announced it and released it the same year. It was a huge surprise. I got it instead of Battlefront.
12rt2345g342563
The dialogue, characters and main story were all very ho-hum. They put too much effort into settlements. Good game other than that.
Derakor
fallout 4 did two things very right, Combat and graphics, everything FNV did better
Derakor
Everything else FNV did better*
GngrbrdMan
Agreed. I play it like an fps survival and not an rpg.
shhep
"spoiled"? Play Wither 3 then talk about being fucking spoiled. F4 had no voice acting, no writing, was buggy as fuck and cost fuckloads.
neochiken1
The writing in witches 3 was excellent... but the combat felt more samey to me than dynasty warriors
shhep
Just like in F4, which has famously boring gun handling. So it's equal on combat and totally not equal in most other aspects.
TheSuperJohn
Good game, bad fallout
KeeleonOhms
A "standard" Fallout game is still an isometric point and click turn based strategy RPG. While I LOVE the new Fallouts I wouldnt mind those.
Jeddaven
I didn't enjoy playing it. That doesn't make me spoiled.
ballsohard2202
Why though? Other than the dialogue options nothing was really that bad. The perk system wasn't the greatest but combat was sooo much better
FaxCelestis
That doesn't make it a bad game either. It makes it a game you don't like.
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neochiken1
FO4 was a better fallout game than skyrim was an elder scrolls game
mrsuzukiami
See I disagree. Now FO and ES run a different track. ES being a open vast wasteland is part of the game. FO being a open wasteland...
AltEff4
Do you want to say yes, yes, sarcastic yes, or no until you say yes
vampirehedgehog
1] Yes 2] Yes, but pay me {SPEECH} 3] Yes (sarcastic) 4] Shaun?
haveanothergif
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1235 is an improvement but not really a big one.
VerdantApollo
It's a decent game, just a bad fallout one. It'd be better if they just made it into it's own IP.
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VerdantApollo
Meaning, a non-Fallout game.
CoffeeyCore
I went into it with the hype of a new post apocalyptic game rather than a new Fallout game. Was very delighted with it. 270 hours so far.
TristenKent
Bethesda is making Starfield. Sci-fi rogue so that could be it
Sapandcap
If it released in a near playable state I could agree
ballsohard2202
It did on console. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
RaynWisp
Arguable. It has savegame size issue where if the save gets too long it starts to freeze randomly. PS4/XB1 both.
AsABlackMan
I think that's fair to say but the Fallout brand gave it it's charms New Vegas is personally my favorite but I thought they did fine with it
TheMortiestMortyfromC137
Nv just had way more content.
BigBossTheMSFCommander
Exactly, 4 had 2 Big DLCs and 2 DLCs that should have been in the game, and 1 lie (Vault tec workshop) automatron was fun, but NV had (1)
VerdantApollo
New Vegas is my favorite of the 3D Fallout games; too bad we won't see more like games from that studio.
AsABlackMan
I would love a remaster of it with more music and sprinting plus fallout 4 VATS I think that's all it needs