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sharkwhistle29
What did he expect, that the people would rise in rebellion and overthrow the government?
PizzaGovorun
Don't make a Robin Hood out of this guy! He broke the law for petty motives.
barrocoyote
Newsflash: a spy agency has the ability to spy on people. This is literally the CIA's job. The dump has no evidence of actual domestic use
whyteraven74
Snowden worked at NSA, NSA is the one that wants to track every email and such.
VernonTWalldrip
He sacrificed his freedom? I thought he ran away.
captaingrump
Do you guys actually know what the CIA does? Do you know they spy on people outside the US? Not US citizens?
condor120
I don't trust a damn thing Wikileaks puts out. They have an agenda
JhericFury
Anyone see that Jon Oliver segment where he showed Snowden people on the street's knowledge about him and the surveillance? Snowden sad.
SloppyJimbo
Jesus this is ignorant. WikiLeaks is a Russian puppet
Esperwhim
Didn't they say he caused risk to u.s. military men and women in the field?
MungoVitoGotHellaCats
I mean they say it. It doesn't necessarily make it true. I haven't really encountered anything backing it up. I could be wrong though.
FeWill
Snowden revealed the NSA spying on U.S. citizens. The new CIA dump just details their capabilities, not targets. It's very different.
MandaloreTheODST
In the beginning I was conflicted and leaned towards agreeing with those who called him out for treason but as I got older and began /2
MandaloreTheODST
Studying journalism I found that I support what he and people like Manning did to an extent. There's a right and wrong way to do this /3
MandaloreTheODST
Kind of thing so while I can understand and support being a whistleblower to an extent, I can't support running away to Russia.
elveector
So edgy
merdock379
Ironically, you comment was much more edgy than the pic.
Randomice
And all the government does is investigate the leak, not the spying.
NERDRAGEohacat
If you actually read what's leaked so far, there's no actual accusation of spying. It's basically "here's what the CIA can do now and the
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POSSIBLE risks that arise from it", so they're basically revealing the new methods of wiretapping these days. The only actual impropriety is
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allegedly not reporting "zero day"vulnerabilities they discovered to manufacturers.
dietderpsy
ECHELON was public knowledge for years.
mibango
And yet we were shocked about the NSA leak. We are naive as fuck
Sully0811
Who remembers ISP's throwing shitifts over raptor and carnivore?
dietderpsy
I do!
Sully0811
Pissing contest with his boss and he threw a tantrum. http://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=743
Newbiticus
Good news, you're not paranoid!
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
Too bad he doesn't talk about other things like Russia's reach or Theil's spy company. US was low hanging fruit for him
leechdemon
Well I mean, he worked for the US, not for Russia. You can't give inside information about a place you've never worked.
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
He could use his influence to get people digging at all the states but he isn't.
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
Of course,but the reality is that all this focus on US spying just gives others a good distraction from their own governments.
BigSnicker
And, of course, off Russian spying.
jkcostie
You have no clue what you're talking about, OP. Pretty reductive.
Leithreas
Actually a lot of things changed regarding keeping records and companies complying with the government because of Snowden.
railgap
I don't agree. Can you cite supporting evidence?
temujin9
NJ2002
Now they know most dont care and they dont need to hide it.
IamNotAshamed
For Europe there was a lot of change. Most big US companies moved EU data to EU servers to not be legally accessible for the nsa
Leithreas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act for one. Yahoo and Google shored up encryption to the hilt so the gov't can't get in for two.
SenatorHillaryIAmStillInTheRaceClinton
Could you give some examples?
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ThePlotIsTwisted
check the comment above you
Leithreas
The USA Freedom act is the most tangible, took away some of the powers of the Patriot Act for spying/surveillance.
OhShitThatsADeathclaw
Not accurate. Snowden released info about the NSA, a subdepartment of the Dept of Defense. The CIA is a separate independent department
OhShitThatsADeathclaw
Both leaks were about surveillance, but in very different context and departments. The two leaks are independent and likely not much
OhShitThatsADeathclaw
Related as far as one confirming the other
NERDRAGEohacat
I wouldn't say they're confirming. The Vault 7 leaks basically just reveal what the current "wiretapping" tricks are, that's like revealing
NERDRAGEohacat
what kind of firearms are in the CIA's armory and saying it confirms leaks about NSA assassinations.
chaoslordjiro
We knew the government was spying on citizens long before Snowden. They've never really been that good at hiding it.
dirtnapp
This guy is a fucking turd. Stop trying to make him out to be a hero.
gabadabagool
Gotta disagree. We deserve to know the illegal activity conducted by our govt. Snowden sacrificed a cushy 1/?
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govt security job to let us know our governments were engaging in illegal, domestic espionage and in 2/?
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espionage of our allies. He tried to go through the whistleblowing procedures and they 3/?
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didn't yield any resolutions. Idk how you can be more of a patriot than sacrificing citizenship 4/?
gabadabagool
for your fellow countrymen. Fuck the govt, the people only owe their 5/?
mpriano
It's not a conspiracy theory. Doesn't change that Snowden's a self-important twat, and that Assange is the same. Putin's loving it, really.
gabadabagool
What kind of self-important twat gives up a cushy life in america for Russian exile treason charges from the most 1/?
gabadabagool
and treason charges*
gabadabagool
national-security obsessed country in the world? The govt was conducting illegal surveillance activity. Chances are, without him, 2/?
gabadabagool
we still wouldn't know about it to this day. And you can deny his importance all you want based 3/?
gabadabagool
on some disagreement of politics, but he IS important and will be for a long long time. 4/4
airstrike
Well, he could have used appropriate channels instead of leaking classified information to the whole world. I support the cause not his ways
rainmakerab
Yes he should have just asked
illegalacorn
yeah he could have just gotten black-bagged instead of accomplishing anything
NurietaGM
Honest question: what kind of channels are those?
gabadabagool
He tried and no results
mibango
Lmao you have no idea what you are talking about
scottheduck
Breaking news: Spy agency uses tools to spy. There's still no proof they were spying on American citizens, and I guarantee FSB has the same.
JhericFury
No proof they were spying on citizens? Wasn't that the entirety of what Snowden leaked?
JhericFury
Or do you specifically mean the CIA?
scottheduck
Snowden leaks, yes, there was internal activity by the NSA. CIA is a different organization under a different charter and different laws.
JhericFury
Yeah, i figured that's what you meant after i wrote it, sorry. I thought "they" referred to govt in general.
scottheduck
I'd be more concerned if the CIA WASN'T spying on foreign nationals. It's what they're tasked to do
scottheduck
Agent 7 or whatever Wikileaks published last week. No proof of spying inside American borders, CIA charter forbids activity inside USA
mibango
Why would i believe someone who doesnt even know the Name of the leak lmao
waxy365
Who the hell actually follows the charter?!
sadpersonissad
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/08/519205172/the-cia-document-dump-isn-t-exactly-snowden-2-0-here-s-why relevant.
stormstereo
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DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
Well, we still don't know whats in over 99% of the leak, so I'm going to wait for some more to actually be released
aksfjh
The leak is basically, "You know how bad guys steal credit card numbers and personal info online? The CIA does it as well!"
BaronVonMadScience
Wikileaks always oversells how much it has. I'd be very surprised if leak #1 was less than 25% of it.
TheMinisterOfCommonSense
Could try reading it,.. won't get anywhere waiting for someone to do it
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
Less than 1% of the documents have been published so far, according to Wikileaks.
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
Though I will be open and honest. I still havent had the time to finish what's already been released
septillion
I think he means they haven't published most of what was leaked.
TheMinisterOfCommonSense
Ive never read WikiLeaks, so i just assumed that once it was leaked it was published,.. eg: not leaked until published by definition
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
You are correct
thebeardo
This is why America is a toilet, some how this guys the criminal
NERDRAGEohacat
Gotta be careful there, OP's narrative is entirely based on Snowden's claims, which is going to be biased. This is an interesting read:
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http://europe.newsweek.com/why-obama-wont-pardon-edward-snowden-nsa-538632?rm=eu
thebeardo
But where do u stand
NERDRAGEohacat
I believe it's indisputable he did some good, but he also fucked up something fierce and refuses to own it. I believe a truly heroic person
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should not only be brave enough to act on his/her belief, but also be brave enough to accept their failures. Snowden is not a hero.
thebeardo
Heavy dude, I respect ur view, I just don't see why he should be punished for what he did. The whole terrorist excuse is stupid n invalid
BreakingRad
Maybe cause he recklessly put American lives in danger. Most agree with what he did, but not how he did it.
OhShitThatsADeathclaw
Since it's release, the government has acknowledged that the info he released has not endangered anyone.
NERDRAGEohacat
Mind providing a link? I'm trying to search for it but can't find anyone but Snowden making this claim.
BreakingRad
Yea I'm gonna need a source on that
thebeardo
Oh yeh... how many terrorist attacks on us soil have happened from what n how he did it
chillerluvcats
i'm glad you went through all his leaks that were on and out of "us soil"
thebeardo
Ok any where in world, what Americans suffered because of what he did?
NERDRAGEohacat
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dont-listen-to-edward-snowdens-supporters-his-leaks-have-been-a-gift-to-terrorists-10307959.html
ThePhDJ
Read a good analysis of why he shouldn't be pardoned: http://www.newsweek.com/why-obama-wont-pardon-edward-snowden-nsa-538632
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penultimatewarrior
this is also pretty illuminating https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe
mrfahreinheit
Good read man, thanks!
mibango
Doesnt proof its claims. Makes contrary statements. I.e. makes fun of the lacking intellect if its readers lmao
awefulcrowded23
Read a biased, pro-authoritarian piece of trash
ThePhDJ
I thought it made a few good points. You think Snowden is totally blameless?
awefulcrowded23
I think that we absolutely should be very concerned with broad, unjustified, secret surveillance of us all by our own government. I also(1)
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think that the claims made by this biased opinion hit-piece you linked are suspect at best, and even if right, Snowden still did this(2)
awefulcrowded23
country much more good than harm, nor do I blame him for securing his own future after deciding to blow the whistle(3)
JamesF0790
The wikileaks thing just recently is very different, the CIA thing is done physically with access to the devices, the NSA thing was remote
BigSnicker
Except I assume everyone knows the CIA is forbidden from operating domestically, never has, and would be almost destroyed if it did.
SanguineKnave
MKUltra definitely destroyed the CIA
BigSnicker
It got stopped 50 years ago. I'm much more worried about this: http://crooksandliars.com/2017/03/trump-traded-ukraine-russian-wikileaks
Mushroombadger
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and not trust to CIA to follow rules.
biolologist
Then go ahead and distrust literally every institution everywhere.
Mushroombadger
I'll distrust every institution that has done something to lose my trust.
biolologist
If you trust wikileaks more than the CIA... I have a Russian bridge to sell you.
grammarfairy
I am, because apparently their secrets keep being circulated, so you know their ass would be caught if they did anything.
IamNotAshamed
you mean like when they lied to the US president to start a war?
BigSnicker
Dude, the timing of the release wasn't a coincidence. The objective is to undermine public trust in the CIA when they're most needed.
BigSnicker
Watch the video, seriously: http://crooksandliars.com/2017/03/trump-traded-ukraine-russian-wikileaks
Mushroombadger
I've not had trust in the CIA for a long time.
BigSnicker
Neither have I, but they're pretty much our last defence at the moment.
RepostFromLastWeek
Why is CIA most needed at this time?
BigSnicker
Watch the video: http://crooksandliars.com/2017/03/trump-traded-ukraine-russian-wikileaks
BigSnicker
You have a look at it? Scares the f#*$ out of me. Never wanted the CIA so bad. lol.