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Sugarpandabutt
maximilianfragglebottom
matthdew
I'm am still a big fan of Major Kira literally kicked a lot of ass.
Assholethecat
Best Star Trek female character no doubt. True badass. I'd like to have angry sex with her
Svartsinn
Fuck no. Janeway flip flopped between "we stick to our federation rules" and "we do what we need to survive here" whenever it suited her.
walkingstranger
Preach it
CaptSchmidtGaming
bdjct
What do you mean, "silly battle cry"?!?!?
uzerok
I always though that Kira Nerys from DS9 was the best written female Star Trek character.
tencentparadigm
Gotta love pitting great female characters against each other as if there's some strict limit. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE.
walkingstranger
"Here we are, born to be Queens, we are the Princesses of the universe..." *Theme music here*
qtRaven
So... Highlander: The Raven?
Quasipickle
My favourite was she was forceful and in command without sounding like a bitch. Excellently written & executed.
cyno01
whencatsattack64
One of the few regrets of my life is that I did not find this meme sooner.
Cabronmalisimo
WTF you mean "silly" battlecry...?
thatpatguy
SamCane
Silly battle cry? Oh boohoo, can't we celebrate one heroine without denigrating another?
disposabledan
She was such a poorly written character: she was always better than her experts at everything. WWJD? (What Would Janeway Do?)
lorcan0c
I never saw Janeway as an expert, but Tom Paris, man, he was the omnidork. Pilot, Medic, Engineer, Criminal, Historian, quite a resume...
disposabledan
If you watch them again, note how her expert in almost any field will make a suggestion, but she will come up with a better one.
disposabledan
Although Tom may have been the same.
TheSnarkyDruid
I'm sorry, if this is a shot at Xena and Buffy I take offense to that. Why can't all three characters be great for different reasons.
JustCallMeJazzHands
She was no Picard. Then again, who is?
TheFriendliestGiant
Not Tom Hardy, we definitely proved that.
dietderpsy
XD
tpgreyknight
Nor Sisko, he definitely proved that too. You know the episode :-)
Assholethecat
The one he took his personal vendetta to kill an entire planet or the one he boxed Q?
tpgreyknight
The latter
VinnieJonesDiary
And yet this post is being used to shit on other, perfectly good, female rolemodels, great stuff.
CalvadosConfiture
What I find baffling is all the detractors on the list. Of course, they can't be role models because of x? WHAT?
AVeryVeryVeryVeryVeryVeryVeryLostDragon
But there can only be one female role model in existence, and she has to be determined exclusively by dudes on imgur! /s
youdontknowhowtoeatmuffjohnsnow
I thought Xena was pretty badass
chookmad
Xena was the best!
swagb98623
Especially being a princess with a battle cry and occasional use of magic to solve her problems.
chookmad
She was never a princess, it was just a nickname "Warrior Princess", Gabrielle on the other hand became the Amazon Queen
YouThinkThatsBad
It’s not her fault she’s the chosen one.
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Barrum
She made mistakes too, and the mistakes weren't covered up as "brilliant moves that we didn't understand" which made her human
Assholethecat
Human sociopath killer.
xr1ssc0ttm
Really? The worst stereotypical "strong woman" tropes are personified in this character. Acts inconsistently because of emotions, Makes..
Rodltwo
xr1ssc0ttm
.."illogical" choices to only show that she can do something and doesn't need anyone's help. Literally court marshals a crew member and..
xr1ssc0ttm
..demotes him for violating the "prime directive" when the very next episode does her condescending hand flap at her first officer and...
xr1ssc0ttm
..breaks the "prime directive". Just because she was a woman captain doesnt make her a strong leader or even character.
aintgottimeforyou
So she was emotional and stupid like Kirk? Did she destroy a planet because her feelings were hurt, like Cisco did?
xr1ssc0ttm
But they didnt make some self righteous justification of their faults to dismiss them. They recognized their demons and embraced the..
channelranger
Yeah, she was written too inconsistently to be a good character in my opinion. Like, to be clear I really like representation and such-
channelranger
but I do not feel that she is very good representation. If anything I always felt *Dax* was better for that, and she's a human/slug symbiote
dingofdong
"I didn't use magic to solve my problems" "Reverse the polarity of the doohicky macguffin field!"
TheStealthHippopotamus
+1 for “macguffin field”!
ArmlessHoodieDance
It's a well-respected Star Trek trope. Voltaire wrote a song about it: "USS Make Shit Up." https://youtu.be/4bBD5yyT-s0
dingofdong
Oh I know, and in a universe of invented sci fi machinery, it makes sense that you have invented sci fi sounding solutions, <
dingofdong
> but voyager leans on the lazy "technobabble deus ex machina" harder than other ST series (as opposed to well written plot resolutions)
dingofdong
That's not to say that I don't enjoy voyager as a trekkie, but the writing is definitely not as good as say DS9 or TNG
ArmlessHoodieDance
No arguments there.
ArmlessHoodieDance
My husband is convinced Voyager uses the term, "compensating for [space jargon]" more than any of the other series.
dingofdong
I agree with him - that and reversing the polarity of [space jargon]
JimPlaysGames
There's nothing magical about a modifying the transphasic induction array to create an inversion in the subspace tacyhon field!
CalvadosConfiture
You also forgot;
PffftNext
What's this from?
CalvadosConfiture
Lol well I was gonna say it, but the comments below me already did. Its really good!
RedDwarfIV
Babylon 5
xrufus7x
Babylon 5
AmyBernadettePenny
TheFastpaws
I need to follow her advice about the hour of the wolf. I might sleep better.
tpgreyknight
IAWTC
CalvadosConfiture
The only choice that logically fits all of these comments.
RedCamaro
She also wrekt the Borg.
Cuntcuntcuntcuntcuntcunt
Cunto
monocline
I'm pretty sure the writing wrekt the Borg before she did.
matthiasfactor
Savage truth right there.
MrDeadsr
And that writing really hurt that period of Star Trek for future shows.
monocline
Yup. I can understand using the Borg to create a new BBEG for them to face, but they REALLY screwed the pooch on species 8472.
znic
She didn't like 7 of 9 taking most the screen time.
RecurringNightmare
while jeri was cast for the looks it turned out that seven and the doc were the most interesting characters on that ship because of the >
RecurringNightmare
> "what defines a human being" questions, basically the same topics of datas stories in TNG, and those were mostly outstanding too <<<
HandsomeJack19
I agree with her. I'm rewatching it now and as soon as 7 joined the cast she was the focus of about 65% of the storylines.
dietderpsy
Jeri was a good actress and brought fun to the show, unlike Mary Sue from sickbay
shinagami091
Kate didn’t like for the women to be sexualized. Refused to sexualize her character so they brought someone in who would.
FuzzyX
Unfortunately for her 7 of 9 largely boosted the ratings, mostly due to her skin-tight suit, which with the story arc boosted her air time.
Tezunegari
And yet to me the sexiest 7of9 was in "Relativity" when she wore a Starfleet uniform.
roadhunter
But also due to her fantastic acting. She was so much more than eye candy.
labyrinthconvention
don't forget high heels. Borg in high heels. let it sink. in. farther.
FuzzyX
LarvaLamp
The actress herself said it was rediculous but she wasn't going to do a skin tight suit in flats!
Rodltwo
zerdath
oh, THAT'S going in my reaction gif folder
djKIR
Not only a great dynamic charakter (not a chicken), great actor & also a very pretty woman (my type)
grubbylittleslug
DanTheReactionMan
That moment when that was an actual line
SkeletorSoFine
Get the cheese to sickbay!
grubbylittleslug
monocline
Kate Mulgrew has said that she believes that Janeway was a bit of a sociopath, which explains why she made some her inconsistancies.
TeachMeSomething
Like murdering Tuvix when they could have brought back the other two separately. And triggering genocide twice (2487 + Sentient holograms).
ArmlessHoodieDance
Oh, God! I never forgave her for what she did to Tuvix!
monocline
And only following the Prime Directive when it suits her needs.
xrufus7x
To be fair, this was pretty much every captain.
monocline
But to Kirk and Picard it was a principal that could be broken. For Janeway is was treated as law.
xrufus7x
It was supposed to be a law for all of them. It was Starfleet's rule #1. They all broke it when they felt it was necessary though.
TheFastpaws
But those holograms were in a buffer at the end of the episode. Species 8472 is also alive & well after the war.
TeachMeSomething
ran out of room for "triggering attempted genocide". Still, consider how ok she is with her decisions/would weigh on Picard's moral compass
orosoros
Now, don't be forgetting me.
elvara
Aside from her somewhat cringy opening line, Sam Carter was a badass!
Assholethecat
We all wanted to Tap that.
problematicpolarbear
that is funny because Amanda Tapping, I get it !
onlyfavoritesdogposts
I think you’re forgetting someone:
probshouldntsayitbut
She was a negative Nancy.
LadyNetrex
She is incredibly beautiful.
mumumumumysharona
WorkerLurker
I was going to mention her and Sam from Profiler
ImAFoxButNotReally
I thought the same as I was reading the post.
HonestCommentFarmer
That's not Susan Ivanova.
twelvoclocklevel
i.e. 'the last face you ever see'
wearyshadow
Sploosh
TairaMai
Scully was overrated and always second fiddle to Mulder
RElGNMAN
SCIENCE!
Assholethecat
An actual strong woman who wasn't insane!
TwoOreoesOneCup
Thank you!
GoGoGadgetBinoculars
I love when she got dropped like a bad habit and then that stickman got his arm snapped like a dried twig
HypnoJack
Um...Scully had a serious and awesome battle cry. How could you forget that?
pookieeatworld
What was this? I was never aware of her going into a serious battle...
HypnoJack
It was every episode. She sounded like an Arab terrorist. Wait. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. (I'm joking, clearly)
IDidntWantToDoThis
"Goddammit, Mulder!"
feor1300
And Ivanova from Babylon 5.
spacestationnumberfive
*AHEM*
v
GenesisGrey
90s.
xr1ssc0ttm
But Mulder that alien we just saw was swamp gas.
notanimposter
@FBIAgentDanaScully
IonlyPostStarTrekGifs
Drunkfu
Odd how they have the same haircut and color.
lemmonjello
twas the style at the time
ConfuMeister
You mean, both are white?
DarkUranium
Betty White? What about her?
MemeLandLord
notanimposter
also Samantha Carter from Stargate
talent11
Indeed
notanimposter
kubi
notanimposter
JethroTull1
And now she is a crazy Russian bitch who is stuck in prison.
HackySack72
That's why she looks so familiar
SusieMacEsq
So she’s still playing the most amazing role on television for a woman?
justadude41123
My favorite character in that show too
DetectiveSherlockHolmes
Wait...wut
DetectiveSherlockHolmes
Oh nvm I get it
Themaxdu1
What?
dietderpsy
What do you think happens when you strand your ship in the Delta Quadrant and break the Prime Directive multiple times?
Heketon
Promotion to Admiral. She read the "Career Advancement Method for Starfleet Officers or Melodramatic Actors" by James T. Kirk.
TheEarthmotherThree
Omg!! I never realised!!!!
Ohhhlookaunicorneatingasamurai
So nothing changed.
Blastergv9
How do people still not know this?
DrzBa42
Don't watch it. It's really not difficult to understand why...
Pagnmickie
And she rocks as Red too!
GnomeDeGuerre
Haven't seen her upfuck a stage yet.
chtwhite
Excellent Response
spiderqueendemon
Damn holodeck. B'Elanna is going to be washing dishes with Neelix for a week when the Captain gets out of 21st century Earth prison.
electricmind
https://imgur.com/STWKcd3
whencatsattack64
ArtOzz
...Wtf are you watching?
superduperyooperthatspissedoff
Orange is the new black
QueenAriofBelekovia
She's now playing Red on Orange is the New Black, the somewhat motherly character who just so happens to be a badass Russian Mafia wife
Johnnykararte
Holy shit, I never realized that...
upvotesforchuckles
Omg me neither!
MothMonsterMan
grimmspoon722
Mind blown
ThisUserNameIsReallyLoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
THAT'S IT!
JackSmiles2
shame on the both of you.
Johnnykararte
Well she didn't age well...
fremiumplayer
Both ArtVandelayIndustries and...Kate Mulgrew?
JackSmiles2
We never shame the Janeway o--o
Maboroshi1994
tbh janeway was kind of a wreck...which would have been fine. if the series didn't make her RIGHT all the time. (1)
channelranger
Janeway was one great character. And about 4 or 5 other kinda crap characters.
channelranger
Like, I love representation and female role models, but... I don't really consider her a shining example.
GCRust
There's a guy called SFDebris who had a great "Mad Captain Janeway" bit. Made so much sense.
just4thelolz
He's still doing that from time to time.
scarecroe
When a Janeway meme makes its unlikely rise to the top, there's often someone there to slap her back down again. The anti-Janeway Maneuver
Assholethecat
Kate was fine but that character was written so poorly. She will go out of her way to save her crew one moment then murder someone the next
somepersondoingsomethings
2 years too late but murder who? Tuvix? She did it to save her crew members.
Maboroshi1994
I only take issue with how she is written. Kate mulgrew played her brilliantly and is a reason why I do like janeway
TheSisko
She was absolutely wrong with Tuvix
themetalstickman
Problem was there was no right answer. Whatever choice she made, someone died, either Tuvix or Tuvok and Neelix.
ParryLost
And she kept treating the Doctor like dirt. :(
Maboroshi1994
(2) janeway was excellently acted, but the writers had her all over the place. you could argue that she was bipolar or (cotd)
ydwyrd
Even her actress admits Janeway was probably Bipolar.
Maboroshi1994
yup. but that was because the writing was so inconsistent and so was unintentional.
Maboroshi1994
(3) promoted too high (being clearly more at home as a scientist than captain) but with maybe 2 exceptions she's written as the (cotd)
HypnoJack
"Promoted too high". Then in ST: Nemesis, Janeway's an admiral. I still hate that.
DatDarthCaedus
Promoting to admiral seems to be how Starfleet "gets rid of" officers they cannot fire due to public popularity though.
Maboroshi1994
(4) always correct hero because status quo is king. janeway needed to lose more.
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AlexisActually
I think that's my biggest problem with Voyager - Janeway's character was so inconsistent.
Emeurade
It's hard to make her lose more from a writing standpoint.. If she lost there would be no way to replenish, repair, or rescue them.
Corrodias
Sounds like the whole premise of the show is fatally flawed, then.
Corin
Janeway was wrong a lot, I think. The issue was that she was too stubborn to admit it ever and would go way too far at times.
Maboroshi1994
In the end she was pretty much still always right. It always worked out for her. Because she's a protagonist and must be always right.
asquiiiiiiisha
And the narrative didn’t punish her for that when it should have. I love her but god some of the writing...
HypnoJack
Wouldn't surprise me if the actress had something to do with that. She had a feminist agenda with Janeway. Then Seven came in /1
jamesdeanshat
See feminist agenda has always been trying to shoe horn its way in. Janeway always just felt a bit weak and too controlled by emotion for me
HypnoJack
as the hot, young woman in a tight outfit. That really got her pissed. There was a lot of drama on the Voyager set because of that. /2
Davidnfilms
also stranded her crew 80 years a way from federation space when there was no need for it, she broke the prime directive.
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Assholethecat
How many of them resulted in constant genocide?
LadyLatte
She broke the Prime Directive, hahaha.
Pigdogcow
The prime directive is there only so the main characters could break it dramatically.
DoctahGhostly
Or suddenly deciding the prime directive was so important she hunted another captain like he was a dog that was infected with rabies
DrMcTouchy
It's more like the "Prime Suggestion". Everyone breaks it. It's like a rite of passage.
tpgreyknight
At least she stuck by the Omega directive. [giggles into hand]
smellsmiketeenspirit
Like it was her fault they got kidnapped (I am rewatching ds9 and voy at the moment)
shinydev
Prime directive doesn’t apply to warp capable societies.
jonathantoast
I love Voyager a lot, but they whole stranded in space thing was actually only acknowledged in a handful of episodes.
CaptainLegot
SHE WAS THE WORST!!!!! She's like "we can't kill this one dying alien so that we can return home instantly" and he dies minutes later.
HisDudness
Another thing that can be chalked up to bad writing. The fucking series is lousy with it.
CaptainLegot
Arguing that character is only bad because the writing is bad doesn't make sense. The character is what's written.
HisDudness
The discussion here is about the portrayal of the characer by the actress, so writing is not the focus.
stilltryingtofigureoutafunnyname
The prime directive was basically a casual suggestion
SteveMND
Every captain in Star Fleet, eventually:
Nordenfeldt
I don’t think you can get promoted past lieutenant in Starfleet unless you chew up and poop out the prime directive.
namiasdf
i.e. Spock vs. Kirk
Teksura
When Q let Picard change his past didn't he find himself being denied a promotion because Riker was all you play it too safe too by the book
MostIndeedlySo
Was it the bar fight with the aliens? If so then yes, Picard had to play it un-safe to get where he was.
Teksura
That's the episode. You never get far in Starfleet by playing it safe, and by the book. You need to bend or break the rules to get results.
MostIndeedlySo
That one episode where the dude transports an entire group of people in the holodeck from one planet to the other without them knowing... :D
LizardEnterprises
I mean, it was either that or commit genocide. And it wasn't exactly breaking the prime directive. The Caretaker had *already* interfered.
shinydev
Yeah. Too bad we don’t have timers in the future. Could have headed home and blown up the caretaker array behind them.
coderanger
Or she could order someone to stay behind with a bomb, or stay behind herself with a bomb.
LizardEnterprises
That was actually a plot-point in http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Night_(episode)
RedDwarfIV
Because the Prime Directive never allowed or encouraged a genocide to happen before
LizardEnterprises
As a result of natural disasters, or a societies own choices, absolutely. Nothing about the Ocampa's situation was natural though...
Behleren
Im pretty sure all the captains broke the prime directive more than once.
Assholethecat
Picard did more than Kirk. Picard was at leats shown wrestling with it and knew he might lose his job.
HisDudness
They're more like guidelines, anyway!
Nuttsy
"The Prime Guideline," just doesn't have that same ring to it.
tpgreyknight
Suggestions, really!
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
A) The Caretaker's fault they were there B) She chose to NOT use the remains of the array so the kazon wouldn't wipe out the okampa.
Trisar
Not to mention, they didn't exactly have time to study the Array with the Kazon RIGHT THERE SHOOTING AT THEM...
Assholethecat
Kazon sucked. Looks liked Klingons and ALIENS guy fucked and had a child.
Trisar
They also flew hydrogen-powered spaceships with oxygen-rich internal atmospheres... but used water as a currency.
Trisar
Especially with the massive damage that Voyager already suffered on the trip out. Same level on the return might have cracked the hull open.
FlabbergastedLoaderbot
But... all the captains broke the prime directive.
TheUpdootist
Yeah but she's a woman, so that makes it different. Somehow.
tpgreyknight
It's probably the most-broken rule in the Starfleet handbook.
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Archer didn't because it didn't exist yet.
smellsmiketeenspirit
Did Sisko ?
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Yes, in both Past Tense and Trials and Tribbleations.
Assholethecat
He wiped out a planet for a personal vendetta
reineseele
Maybe they should call it the "may use in times of peace"-directive.
Assholethecat
Not like her
ThatPlecoGuy
Yeaaaah but Janeway kinda broke it like every other episode.
lorcan0c
And during "Equinox" when asked by another captain if she's ever broken it, she said "Broken it? Never. ...Bent it on occasion."
LillyVixen
So did Picard, and he wasn't stranded 80 years from home. She had to bend the rules to keep her crew safe.
BlastFX
That was the premise of the series, but in the end they never really had to compromise their principals, so it ended up being kinda meh. 1/2
BlastFX
Unlike the crew of the Equinox. Now that's a story I'd like to see more of! Why didn't they turn that into a series? 2/2
TheWorldsWorstLurker
I'm not sure how much the prime directive matters when you 80 years from Fred-eration space
Assholethecat
Fred Fucks
ReJokeStatistics
Frederation? Is that the Flintstone Confederation?
TheSheeple
Yabba dabba doo not interfere with the internal development of alien civilizations?
dangerousDoc
Yes but she has the highest number on screen and some of the most...genocidal accounts. She also messed with time a lot more
LMTMFA
Star Trek Enterprise would like to have a word regarding time messing.
dangerousDoc
A) enterprise came after Voyager B) Its chronologically set before anyone else C)this is the reason the temporal Prime directive exists
Pinewood74
No Prime Directive in Enterprise.
LMTMFA
I'm only replying regarding messing with time amounts, not the rules in place at the time ;)
Iankill
Cisco is my favorite but he basically played jump rope with the prime directive
ThatPlecoGuy
I'm in the middle of loiter trek now. Ds9 is best, more pew pew less qq.
smellsmiketeenspirit
Can you point an episode ? I am in season 4 and I don't remember that has happened yet.
utdrmac
Who the f is Cisco? That’s an IT company. Are you trying to reference Capt Sisko of DS9?
smellsmiketeenspirit
Calm down.
Steelhart
Ha! That’s one way to describe Sisko
TheFriendliestGiant
Did he? Simply by virtue of not travelling much I'd imagine he broke it much less often than the other captains.
Iankill
He didn't need to travel when he was an important religious figure of the planet their orbiting.
XnFM
I thought his fist officer, who was technically a Bejoran officer, was a prophet or whatever. Either way, the federation was there (cont)
asquiiiiiiisha
It was Sisko who was the Emissary. But you’re right that the Federation’s position means that the Prime Directive does not apply. 1/2
XnFM
(2) as an interceding force in an interplanetary conflict. The prime directive basically didn't apply
TheFriendliestGiant
The Prime Directive would not have applied to Bajor, as they were a spacefaring species, and in fact invited the Federation in.
zeusdemigod131
Is that? Cause I remember one episode where a federation race was basically forcing gay conversion therapy on some of their members, and 1/2