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KeeleonOhms
And then God would say " that omniscience crap is just something ignorant sheep made up" and fry Batman with a bolt of lightning.
DaDisser
But if he can do anything then he can do it even if it is a paradox (ALLpowerful), so i don't see what your point is lol.
nosrephcuson
God: "The moment I create such information is the moment I know such information. This is a loop that goes on without end. I am infinity!"
RydWolf
Or the knowledge is simultaneously knowable and unknowable; With omnipotence, nothing is impossible including impossible things.
SerIceTheDemon
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent.
SerIceTheDemon
Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God? - Epicurus
turnerjer
this "contradiction" was totally busted by Thomas Aquinas more than 700 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox
FlyinHawaiian13
"Superman is overpowered and boring" -Batman fans "Batman could beat God in a fight" -also Batman fans
tomkingkong
Or, or, our definition of "God" is skewed. Just a thought.
MrFnortner
You left out the 'r'.
wolfdoggreen
Thus sayeth the Almighty Creature in the Sky!!!
Zachakx
This is probably the skewed portion.
Klaustrix
The whole argument presented here is paraphrased from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
ax1007
Which is taken from the "Problem of Evil", a Philosophical argument thats like..as old as Religion itself haha.
Klaustrix
That I did not know! Kudos :D
bumberlot
I'm Batman. -Nietzsche
Murdockalicious
I don't care what you said, I was just waiting for the response see of Al Bundy
Publiusdg1105
People make Batman to be the Chuck Norris of DC and it's just as fucking annoying as normal Chuck Norris dick-sucking fandom
LoopStricken
I like to think that people stopped gobbling Chuck's knob when they found out he was a bit of a backwards arse IRL.
Publiusdg1105
That would be assuming those people are sensible human beings, and that's giving them too much credit. Also dont get me wrong, i like batman
Publiusdg1105
But i don't want to choke on his cock like OP here
IAmIronsMan
This is from Impractical Jokers....
Horseymcfaceyface
I know except it was jesus then
bluerazzgummy
So.... just stolen from Hitchiker's Guide?
OphelianAshe
A truly omnipotent being would totally be able to create a rock that they can't lift. And then they would lift it anyway. That's omnipotence
NyxuNezumi
The paradox is overcome by the notion of novelty and limited by causality.
NyxuNezumi
Addendum: the fact that the abrahamic God needed to test faith establishes non determinism as true in such a universe. (2)
NyxuNezumi
This considered, the future is unknowable. God simply would need to create a coin, toss it, and ask batman to predict the outcome. (3)
NyxuNezumi
As the future is unknowable, the prediction did not exist to be known before the coin toss (God cannot predict a human decision) (4/end)
Ehmiiz
Wow, iPhones are really long these days
kayojen
batman you piece of shit
MikadoCat
I killed your parents - God
Sh4d0wm4D4rkS0ul
Lol sure , at the moment dr.Manhattan has the pleasure of it iirc , private gods are a thing of the stone age , new shit is comic gods.
BitchButcher
God you motherfucker - Jesus
Griffin97
He killed my parents, didn't he, Hagrid? The one who gave me this? *reveals disgusting birthmark*
EmergencyAustralian
Not even an omnipotent god can bring back batman's parents
Ryykur
TheBlackVan
Apply cool running water to that BURN!
ImGurren
If god did this is an omnipotent being then he would know batman would come one day to conflict his existence creating the image's paradox
isthatonfireyet
I was a boy! Now I'm a bat!
AriaTLoak
Hahahah
wallywarbles
Chadsmithiswillferrell
I get the reference
GhostofCain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prRySgsgtnM
pxnt
Serious question: what did you do on your status bar/ what tweak? I use HotDog, and have "time | date", but yours..?
BoshoThePirate
Wouldn't omnipotence allow you to do anything despite paradoxes? If I was an all powerful god, I wouldn't give a shit about logical errors.
BHObiWanKendoobie
Or the universes you destroyed to make it happen.
Zachakx
No, this is just batman Fandom.
Cac2008
Only if the 'paradox' was based on contingent truth. If a truth is necessary then it leads to nonsensical answers. Whats a 4 sided triangle?
Metempiric
There's a school of thought that God lets logic stand for our benefit.
Horseymcfaceyface
Tell me about it if I knew all and had all power I would change logic and ignore it
BoshoThePirate
Limitless power wouldn't be limited by paradoxes. A god who rules above reality would be above the rules of reality.
GetBerserked
I always think that an all powerul being doesnt have to obey human logic in any way anyway.
HurkWurk
if you ever run into an omniscient being that wants a challenge, tell them to get lost.
TheGamingHobo
XD
notevenaname
You will now go back and read that entire paragraph in Morgan Freeman's voice. And enjoy it.
skwotingdog
Yes i did and yes i did
RealJQ
The carrier symbol is a nice touch
WhyleKat
That's why you jailbreak your iPhones.
LiteralAsshole
BAT&T
AstoranSunbro
Headquartered in this building en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Building_(Nashville)
IgniaEternale
As an AT&T customer, I hope not. Batman's not supposed to rip people off.
ScreamedStableBoy
*scrolls back up* ah nice! *scrolls back down* *enters comment*
Weentit
bloxman
You know we did that
BigStoutBooster
*scrolls back up* ah nice! *scrolls back down* *upvotes comment*
overjay
So... This is legit bat-phone screenshot? Dude..
ocean123456
He knows the process lol
mikeatike
Batphone
RealJQ
Why does this have so many upvotes? Ahahah
ipointoutrepeats
AHAHAHAHAH *downvote*
RealJQ
Ok I'll return the favour.
ipointoutrepeats
Upvoted that one, too. I can do this all day.
ipointoutrepeats
~Plot twist: actually upvoted~
RealJQ
ipointoutrepeats
Upvoted all your uploaded content. You wanna go Round 3?
edwardfog
Batman is God
BHObiWanKendoobie
Batman kills gods. New and old.
F0xstar
Look at me. Look at me.
ErinJoseph
as if He's not God. . Somebody beat his tricks. Batman is just who he is. I take him for a villain
LariCheltsy
Wonder Woman inherits the Earth
JosAngelGONZO
I like the part where he asks who kills his parents and he was screams, "no, it can't be!" I theorize that it was himself, but I cant know
JumpyJoey
Joe Chill killed his parents. He says "No, it can't be!" when faced with the answer to the question "Who is the Joker?"
JosAngelGONZO
oh shit, I got confused, thanks for telling me
SenorFuzzyPants
I'm beginning to feel like a Bat-God, Bat-God...
AceLynch
What issue is this from?
Phenomeno
Look at the comment above yours
MrTestCat
Or a white lantern. Eh close nuff
thorkild91
Incorrect. He is A god. Big difference
Kemyo
Spoiler but I really want to know who the third joker is
Raider60
Sauce?
Phenomeno
Look at the top comment in this thread
DadddyWarlord
Was*
Hungryhungryhippogriff
Yeah but who is the joker?
BHObiWanKendoobie
The joker is the Joker. In his own words "Nobody's who they say they are, why spoil the fun?"
greengoatswithlasers
They never say it, only that there's 3 of them
Gaviao24
One theory points at the Comedian as one of the three
greengoatswithlasers
They show as the Golden Age, Killing Joke and Endgame versions. I don't think the Comedian fits the style
Gaviao24
True. Just a theory tho. One never knows with comics.
Kataa
Justice League #42 (ish)
iNeverGoOutside
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BigisDickis
http://imgur.com/8rqhKRl
EhIWonderHowLongAUsernameCanBeLetsFindOutShallWeAaandThereItIs
Fjuben
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nightof11bangbangs
.
Veckzis
thanks for pointing it out, I just read that entire set of comics (no idea what the comic term for it is, "series", "issue"?)
Kataa
It would be series :) if you're looking for more series, send me a message! I have plenty to recommend
IronKittySlayer
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IYKWIM
New 52 Im guessing?
Kataa
Yup!
IYKWIM
Need to reeead. I think I just finished Vol.3. Geoff Johns so goooooood
Sheepyhead
I prefer disproving God through the "If he's good, AND all powerful, the world would be fair" logic
TheGamingHobo
Meh
RandAIFlagg
Eh, I prefer illustrating how their ideal entity is an oppressive tyrant with the temperament of a bratty teenage girl. But, I'm a Satanist.
Sheepyhead
That is specific to the religion though, mine disproves any notion of a benevolent omniscient god
RandAIFlagg
Well, your language made assumptions common to the judeo-christian deity, so I figured you were being specific to that one. Gods are silly.
Sheepyhead
Quite, although I don't believe religion is thus necessarily silly as well. Religion is interesting but taken way too seriously
Sheepyhead
Also organized religion is very silly indeed
RandAIFlagg
As a religious atheist, I understand and agree
Anthonlee
"God or Batman" I asked. "Batman because he's actually real" he replied.
szepasszony
*could be real
Knillis
A Batman film is a long bit-sequence on a DVD. We can prove it exists. God however, we can't. Therefore Batman is more real than God.
szepasszony
Those films are not documentaries, Batman is a fictional character. And God certainly appears in a lot of films as well.
szepasszony
What I'm saying is that it is theoretically possible for a boy named Bruce Wayne to become a vigilante after having his folks killed.
BHObiWanKendoobie
And then have the second highest IQ in recorded history, get his body and mind to peak human condition etc etc
Knillis
More likely than some douchebag God allowing genocide
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
http://www.billoreilly.com/images/videoscreens/kjtrailer3.jpg
Superfuntime
Batman, because he might actually care and do something instead of idly watching and demanding unconditional worship.
Zachakx
We know for a fact batman isn't real. God hasn't been proven or disproven and I don't mean a bearded man in the sky.
Knillis
Intelligent design (God, aliens, Gaia) versus modern science. Choose whichever you like, then stop hating people who believe smth else...
Knillis
Not necessarily meant for you, just putting it out there. For some reason people love to hate eachother.
Zachakx
I don't understand why some see it so polarized. Science is man's current understanding of the world that we can recreated and study with
Zachakx
Math. Who's to say that we've reached that apex? Who knows what sort of things will be uncovered officially ten, twenty or 100 yrs from now?
Superfuntime
Oh go eat a loaf of moldy bread.
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Zachakx
Isn't true?
Zachakx
What bothered you so much to resort to insults? I neither said god was or or unreal and batman is definitely not real. What part of this
Zachakx
Isn't true?
Superfuntime
You know nothing of Batman.
BHObiWanKendoobie
He was acting like he got offended by you saying Batman isn't real. It was a joke, get off your high horse.
Ashasi
Omnipotence means that anything power can do God can do. It does not mean God can do anything conceivable. Power can't make 1+1=3, etc.
Ulthirm
well since numbers are a concept he could very well make 1+1 = 3. there is no standing rule that states it.
Ashasi
I, with a whole lot of other theologians and christian philosophers, would argue that in no universe can God make a logical impossibility.
Ulthirm
Logical to ourselves, im sorry if my statement came across wrong, i meant the lines of he could (saying he created us) create a being that
Ulthirm
believes 1 + 1 = 3
szepasszony
According to Jesus, God can do the impossible. https://empowermentmomentsblog.com/2014/03/22/15-bible-verses-about-all-things-are-possible/
Cac2008
All things are possible according to his Nature, and as a being that could be paradoxical would be lesser than one who isn't... Read Summa!
Ashasi
So, if it says God can do all things, or the impossible, can God sin? If it's yes, and He just chooses not to, then define what sin is.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Given a sufficiently limited unlimited power, a paradox can be avoided... wait, what?
Ashasi
Omnipotence does not mean "unlimited power." It literally means, "All powerful." So, again, whatever power can do, God can do with power.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
It literally means "all power", but the definition encompasses "unlimited" as well, because words have meaning beyond their base structure.
Ashasi
Whose definition, yours? It is not of any Christian theologian or philosopher for the past 2,000 years or so. What makes you the authority?
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
The definition used by English users in the current century - the definition I have easy access to, effectively. If you're forced to (1)
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
(Bonus) See Definition 2: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/om">tent">http://www.dictionary.com/browse/omnipotent and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
... limit the definition of omnipotence being used to a restricted, lesser version, then you're not omnipotent by the modern definition. (2)
chiefwill
This is stupid, if God knows the future, he would know batman was going to ask this and simply kill him before he a got the chance.. Dumb
inquisitivefluff
Bu5 why would a God kill someone for that?
chiefwill
Because God isn't governed by your human rationality or reasoning aka he can do what he want.
inquisitivefluff
No. You're right. God is a bit of a twat
szepasszony
That wouldn't go along with benevolence very well. Though the God of the Old Testament killed people for pettier reasons.
chiefwill
An omnipotent God isn't governed by any human idea of what benevolence is.
Metempiric
Name one.
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Metempiric
They weren't kids. It wasn't a case of calling him a baldy. There was far more to it.
chiefwill
God killed a guy named Onan for pulling out lol
Metempiric
And the reason behind it was...?
chiefwill
Because .God prefers creampies apparently. God will have mercy on whom he has mercy Romans 9. Doesn't need a "good" reason to kill.
szepasszony
Tough choice, but I'd say sending bears to kill 42 children for saying 'Go up thou bald head' to Elishia (2Kings2:23-25)
Metempiric
Were they children? Was shouting abuse all they were doing? Might be worth remembering the culture and looking into it a bit more?
szepasszony
They were children, though the word "na'ar" can also mean young adults, it specifically says 'qutanim na'ar', or 'young/little children':
szepasszony
2respecting all adults. The problem arises when you take the Bible as a literal truth that defines the nature of a benevolent God.
szepasszony
1The verse gives no indication that they were doing anything but yelling at him. Culturally, I see it as a myth to scare children into
ProblemIsGuy
Flaw in the logic. Being able to do that which is contradictory is not real power. Being able to create a square circle isn't a real ability
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ProblemIsGuy
Why? If we are to discuss God it should be through logic. Otherwise we'd all just be talking jibberish.
dthninja2
True omnipotence would also mean being more powerful than logic. He could create paradoxes and still resolve them however He wished.
BigDaddyMitch
Hold the fuck on. The knowledge of something unknown is not contradictory, it is his omniscience that contradicts his omnipotence.
thecolonels
But that is going by the laws of the universe God supposedly created. Could god not create a different universe?
Cac2008
A triangle is not contingently 3-sided, it is a necessary fact. It must necessarily be the same in any universe, so no God could break this.
dictatorchang
Yes, but only a "fact" in this universe, if he created a different universe with different laws then he can do any number of things
Cac2008
Nope, it must be in any, that is what 'necessarily' means as opposed to something like the speed of light, which is contingent.
TeenGirlSquad
????hands in the air, president, prime minister. They said that we didn't care. We're the circle in the square!????
theshakeymohel
Like a boxing ring?
thanderhop
Right, just like God can't create an integer between 1 and 2
thegoatsofdawn
Also Batman is a fictional chatracter, but no need to split hairs.
natabus
Said another way, is got Constrained by the laws of Logic. If the answer is yes, that too is significant.
ProblemIsGuy
There needn't be a sense of 'constraint' if we think of logic as a mental activity rather than a set of universal laws. Logic itself emerges
ProblemIsGuy
only through observation of some human method. It is individual things and behavior which dictates logic rather than the other way around.
ProblemIsGuy
As such, these things needn't be 'governed' by logic. It is by their character and the observation of them that we excercise logic.
ProblemIsGuy
For example, the princ. of identity would not govern indivodual things. Individual things just are what they are and we form a mental note
YeahWellAboutThat
A 1st year math student should be able to create a square circle; just use the maximum norm as a distance function: d(x,y)=max(|x|,|y|)
YeahWellAboutThat
Unit circle then would look like https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Vector_norm_sup.svg
spaizkadett
A god should be able to get around paradoxes. The Logic is sound!
Hangman11
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llamamushroom
But it isn't a paradox, it's a nonsense question. It's asking "is there an infinity so large that another infinity reduces it to zero?" /1
llamamushroom
Which is a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of infinity
giraph
Yeah! To be truly omnipotent is to transcend logic itself.
Hangman11
but if you would break logic itself, the result wouldnt be observable or measureable by any means
DrTremendous
Me: Finally my philosophy degree is paying off!! ***Sobs in corner***
WhyAmINotASaiyan
go into medical ethics, those people make bank
szepasszony
Though it won't pay the bills, going to university to learn isn't something to be ashamed of.
deleston
We found the philosopher
TargaryenLoyalist
You're just mad that you can't draw a square circle.
RandAIFlagg
tell that to Goratrix
WhyAmINotASaiyan
But that's the point. Being powerful enough to do *anything* includes what is logically contradictory.
ProblemIsGuy
No it doesn't. Under that logic we could say being powerful enough to anything means being 'powerful enough' to do nothing. Power does not
ProblemIsGuy
equate to unlimited potentiality; it equates to unlimited actuality. Self-identity is only a limit as so considered by the mind. If God is
ProblemIsGuy
truly identifiable as being all-powerful then he is not not all-powerful, and to say this is not an example of his not being all powerful.
ProblemIsGuy
This only flies if we think of identity as being some limit on a thing, but this is hardly the case. A thing's identity is just the thing.
FuckKnows
It's called a ring.
ANotSoMomentaryTrip
That's just a circle tho.…
theshakeymohel
Boxing rings are square!
TheRealSirGregorCleganeTheMountain
Also, God as a paradoxical deity is a very central part of Him. As an existentialist at least, the paradox is a core part of my faith.
JamShady
How so? I believe in God, but not in a paradoxical manner. That defeats the notion of Him creating us with the ability to comprehend Him.
Cac2008
Do you mean 'created with the desire to know him, but needing Grace to do so'?
JamShady
No? Just that "God" should not be something that contradicts our rationale or intellect, thus shouldn't be composed of logical absurdities.
Cac2008
Can an imperfect being fully understand an imperfect one? Just because we cannot understand an object doesn't mean that it is flawed.
ProblemIsGuy
I lean more torwards an essentialist approach to God, i.e thinking of God as the simplest essence, esse, being itself, etc. Paradoxes arise
ProblemIsGuy
in my theology mostly under the specified context of accepting the 'mysteries' of my religious faith (catholicism is filled with 'em).
icameinlikeafeckingball
As an agnostic theist, I believe in a God who can’t be directly perceived, nor can his existence be proven or disproven, nor can he be (1)
icameinlikeafeckingball
understood, defined or described in any human kind of terms because the human mind is limited and He/She/They is unlimited. Paradoxes in (2)
Aquilarden
That's about how I see it. It may seem paradoxical to us, but His level of thought to ours is infinitely greater than ours to an ant's.
Aquilarden
An ant couldn't possibly fully comprehend a human any more than a human could fully comprehend a God entity.
674e031f7dbd1f14bdc9160468379d78e6fcb32c97b2e40fe00e35376336373
This is a claim that can't logically be made by someone why does not fully comprehend God. Therefore you can't claim this to be true
astrangehop
Meh, extrapolation isn't always invalid, it's just murkier ground. Even with possibly hypothetical concepts.
Aquilarden
So you are saying that I can't claim that something is incomprehensible? You can comprehend incomprehensibility.
WhyAmINotASaiyan
Why do you assume 'God' is a 'Him'?
TheRealSirGregorCleganeTheMountain
God is referred to as a he in the Bible, Torah and Quran. If you can find any conflicting scripture that suggests otherwise, you should, (1)
TheRealSirGregorCleganeTheMountain
by all means, notify me. However untill then I know God's a He for the same reason I know Harry Potter is. His book said so.
TheRealSirGregorCleganeTheMountain
For the record I think those "GOD IS A WOMAN" shenanigans ridiculous. God's gender doesn't matter lol so just use what's in the fucking book
Lulzd0zer
Square circle = Squircle it's a mathematical superellipse
VenerateThisGuy
I so want squircle to be Steve urkeles cousin.
Pointlesscommentary
I think I caught a Squircle in Pokemon go
RandAIFlagg
wondered where my girlfriend went
Oyarsa
What is it with mathematicians and names? What do we call a set that's both open AND closed? Clopen. Brilliant.
RaiXira
A line so infinitely long that any two points, no matter how close together, have no meaningful relationship: the long line
notevenaname
I find this highly imbalanced when considering the inverse set that's both not open and not closed. Osed vs Clopen? No. Lacking in symmetry.
Oyarsa
Nopen VS clopen is my vote
RandAIFlagg
"Done. NEXT! Wait, I mean DOXT!"
BeifongMetalbendingAcademy
I've never heard that. We called such sets punctured, because their very nature is an open set with single points removed.
Oyarsa
Not necessarily. Any subset of a topological space under the discrete topology is clopen if I remember correctly.
BeifongMetalbendingAcademy
Are you defining an open set as "a set A : ∃ an open ball B(a,r) centered at a with some radius r ∀ a∈A", and a closed as "a set whose >
BeifongMetalbendingAcademy
So, I just re-read that. And I think I fucked up. You are correct, because the discrete is the complement of the a.e. covering.
ProblemIsGuy
precisely because there just is no square circle. Same goes for this supposed 'paradox'.
MnemonicMonkeys
I've met Catholics that said that God can break paradoxes
WhereCanYouSeeLions
The problem with trying to logically disprove omnipotence is that logic is a product of cause and effect, while omnipotence can casually
WhereCanYouSeeLions
ignore it. Also, logic is fundamentally part of our universe, so extra-universal entities don't have to pay it any heed. Probably.
ravnicrasol
God could just create a world where square circles are possible and then create a square circle (playing devil's advocate).
QuazMasta
Square and Circle are human constructs, not God's. God created what "is", we defined it as separate pieces with names.
RayMessier
Which God? There are currently over 3,000 accounts of "God" in human history...
Sanosky
Probably jeff
ProblemIsGuy
We can define 'God' however we want as far as our philisophical investigation goes.
ravnicrasol
Eh, take whichever has the "All powerful" tag on it.
RayMessier
that is a circular definition, or, more properly a "tautology," by definition a god that is spelled with a capital G is "All powerful."
mechanimated
Then you're just redefining what a circle is. If you make circle mean a shape with 4 sides, then ya, in OUR definition it's a square circle.
Isorikk
If it's a square circle then it's not a circle, not a matter of possibility, just definition. Also not a paradox since it's nonsensical.
ravnicrasol
When you can play with the laws that define reality, then creating a situation where both definitions are met at the same time is possible.
llamamushroom
Not if the definitions in use reference the current reality. In the alternate reality, the terms"square" and "circle" would be meaningless
theabbster
Also, the Christian God has things he cannot do. He cannot sin, he cannot be in the presence of sin so he can't necessarily "do all."
BarelyCoherentRants
Or lie
chettlar
Yeah the "omni" words are used to describe him more out of convenience.
Anakrias
Just a note: God can't because He won't, not because He's incapable. Subtle difference with a big impact.
jmkinder
Sin is just a word that defines everything that goes against God's moral will. Anything God does is by definition not sin.
BigDaddyMitch
Then there exists a subset of things that God cannot do, categorized under the term "sin". Or is it that he chooses not to sin? 1/2
BigDaddyMitch
Why does God not sin? Is there some ultra-omniscient deity that he praises? Does HE not sin? Is there a god above him? Does it go further?
BigDaddyMitch
Fuck this, praise C'thulhu
ProblemIsGuy
It helps if we think of sin as privation rather than a positive thing. It also helps if our moral understanding begins with teleology.
jmkinder
The only reason we know what sin is, is because God exists. It's like light and darkness. Darkness does not exist or have meaning except (1)
wasuremaru
Well, that is because sin separates you from God. God can't separate his existence from himself.
Woppledorf
Except he did on the cross. Brain hurt!
ProblemIsGuy
Dear God the complexities of the trinity is a whole other topic. That's a true mystery of the faith.
wasuremaru
Not necessarily. If you are referring to 'why did you abandon me?' that could also have been Jesus feeling the same sense of despair that1/2
wasuremaru
people feel when they are in sin and give up on finding a way out. To experience all the suffering and sorrow He would need to save us. 2/2
darzin
That would be the point though and not a flaw in the logic but a flaw in the idea of God.
ProblemIsGuy
It would represent a flaw in *an* idea of God, one where God's omnipotence means being 'beyond' all logic and intelligibility.
ProblemIsGuy
But we needn't think of omnipotence in this way. Indeed, we can't. It results in a paradox if we do.
fuckyouandyourwittyusername
Is that not the point? It shows that god is a paradox, batman wins because the definition of god as omniscient and omnipotent is impossible.
KeeleonOhms
It's almost like this definition of God was created by man, and might not represent the actual physics of God.
ProblemIsGuy
Of course it doesn't. God remains ultimately a mystery (if he exists). We can only talk about God in an analogous way and in terms of things