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Obligatory Linux mention, you don’t have to put up with Microsoft and their wacky software, there is a better way forward. Actually, there are 24 better ways forward:
https://www.linux.org/pages/download/
I’m a college dropout, with underwhelming intelligence, and I have a mild grasp of English and computers. I have been using Linux since (fuck, I actually forgot the year windows 8 came out). My point being, don’t shell out cash for microslop; get you a nice, stable distro of Linux, and feel the freedom of open source software.
(I’ve been informed by reliable sources that I am now on a watch list because I used the word ‘microslop’ in my other posts. If I suddenly stop posting, y’all can
100kr
Upvote for using "microslop" 💗
IronMagnus
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Problemwoodchuck
It's like Microsoft hates Microsoft as much as everyone else
DeakVanNyke
They are Microslop now
lighterletter
Listen, it's really really difficult being a dev right now because everything is vibed in some unpredictable way somehow without fault because it's necessary to function and nobody asks to be born and it's really difficult to concentrate in high pressure situations. If only we could all de-escalate and reform punishment to humane reform, we might actually address everything single problem everything and everyone has in a positive profitable non violent way.
SavageDrums
Their CEO is one of the dumbest people on the planet. Have you ever heard him talk? Literally nothing that comes out of his mouth makes any actually sense, it's just business school nonsense, and tech journalism is brutal and never pushes back on it.
TheMoonBnuuy
Looks like Microslop wants to have no copyrights to defend.
Sebastopol140
Subscription... AI...
TheAngriestBeardman
Welcome to the modern world
RusMeasure
Unfortunately, in today's world, subscribing to AI happens without your knowledge or participation, otherwise you may end up giving up on the modern world and the AI that comes with it.
keyblader1985
bluto1415
To code Windows 12 They've used Windows co-pilot solely and fired all the other programmers. Windows 12 doesn't work, but since they fired all the programmers, no one knows how to fix it.
cousteau
Are we entirely sure they decided to release Windows 12? Maybe the AI slop thing just hallucinated that it had to and has been working on this side project on its own, and nobody questions it anymore because no one really knows where decisions come from.
CyberHexx
Is Microsoft focus testing any of this? Or are they just taking the biggest negative reactions and holding the page upside down?
zooshooter
If you haven't figured it out yet, what you want doesn't matter. You're not a super-millionaire or billionaire, so you don't matter to the people who are telling you how you're allowed to live your life....and make no mistake that is what is happening. You will not be allowed to decide how to live your life for much longer.
VitaminJay
MS's focus testing is the 18 or so useless middle managers in Redmond who have no fucking idea what the world outside Redmond looks like.
hotaru251
when MS wants to prove that Vista, 8, and 11 werent as bad as they can make an OS they double donw on what ppl hate w/ 12.
thedudeman519
Windows ME 2 : AI Boogaloo
CyberHexx
I'll be so happy when ReactOS is feature complete. It'll be hilarious to see entire industries abandon a corporation in favor of the free, legally distinct, but exactly the same OS.
InfocalypseRising
This is the result of years and years of people with MBAs being put in charge of everything and only focusing on how to sell more widgets. They don't give a shit about the quality of the product or satisfaction of the customers. Make number go up.
KsuviKhor
The literal cause of enshittification.
andexer
Yes, with CEOs
DocNitro
And probably with PDOs too.
ShinksAvoHazaar
Nah. Theyre focus testing it with ai
DrSchlepenstein
That sounds fucking horrible and is a giant NO from me. I will dig out my old Windows XP disc and reinstall that instead.
drakcor
Microslop microslop microslop. Go ahead put me on a watchlist Gates you nerdy fuck!
theVodkaCircle
Has Gates still got anything to do with MS? I thought it was all that Satya guy.
drakcor
Probably still has shares in it, like Bezos
LuminoZero
Possibly, but Gates hasn't been making decisions at MS for over a decade.
questoobligato
Oh hell, no. Windows 11 is bad enough as it is. Bring back Windows 7.
Freak0zoid
Bring back Windows 98 even.
CacklingOctopus
I have nostalgia for 95/98, but I would never want to go back to the days of Windows-as-a-DOS-program.
NZSheeps
You misspelled 'XP'
Kotarisu
I still use Windows 7, personally, as it does what I want it to do, has no "AI" crap in it, and does not completely upend itself every month.
HenryLongfellowIII
I had to fire up an old machine with XP recently. Amazing how responsive it was.
Hatsodoom
XP is the OG for me, but 7 wasn't bad.
billstranger
XP SP3, baybee.
thedudeman519
MrFancyPanzer
They can fuck right off.
Osiricus
Yep, they can fuck right off into a blackhole where nothing, not even light, can escape.
AnythingMuchShorter
Every word of that description sentence made it worse than the last
ElvenTroll1121
Yea subscription nope ill be using 11 forever. If its mandatory ill go back to console
4Astaroth
Me too. And if they make 12 mandatory I will change to the penguin.
shorey66
I refuse to give up ten
EroticZombiePants
I'd literally rather go back to Win 8.1 than keep using Win 11.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
You are using 11? Oh good god. I hope the reason you installed that was it was 100% essential for a job or something.
ElvenTroll1121
11 is fine only issue i had was the context menu which i fixed
McMasterx
Windows has this feature where if you skip the update enough times, the next time you go to select "shutdown" it's replaced with "Update and Shutdown." I'm sure there's setting buried super deep in the OS that prevents updates forever, but otherwise I think the only other course of action is holding the power button.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
I am using Nobara and it does a neat thing of keeping a couple previous versions bootable with each update. That way if a new update borks something there is no fiddling around with it for a rollback or restore. You just reboot, and when the menu presents 3 options just boot an earlier one. I have not had anything break myself but its nice to have just in case.
RusMeasure
There are assemblies, competent assemblies from which the update is cut, and spy modules, and these assemblies work stably and well.
mintberrycrunch3
Yup, I've paused updates in Windows multiple times over the years. Eventually it just forces the update on you.
VitaminJay
Cool. I'll look into Linux.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Copypastaish of another of my comments but quick breakdown.
Mint (Simple and convenient), CachyOS (focus on minimal bloat and speed), Bazzite (if you are gaming focused and want console like experience), Nobara (if gaming, streaming, editing, and design are forefront) And with pretty much any of these use the KDE Plasma desktop cause it will feel the most like windows if that is what you are after for a smooth transition.
VitaminJay
Cheers, M8. I was just going to start looking this morning.
DocNitro
In addition to Bazzite - unlike a lot of gaming distros, Bazzite is a normal Fedora Linux with gaming added on top, instead of a gaming focused distro - and it is set on being stable, instead of constant updates that might not be as refined as needed yet.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Yep and immutable which means unless you are REALLY TRYING you should not be able to bork your install.
VitaminJay
QuantumSpaceTacoGuitarist
DocNitro
At this point, when you suggest Linux to someone, please explicitly exclude Ubuntu. They just betrayed users and will implement Age Verification, and Gnome is going to be infected alongside with it.
rbudrick
Doesnt ubuntu use gnome?
DocNitro
Yes, and the verification is pushed to Gnome in general, so no matter where you use Gnome, you will be bending over to big Gov.
rbudrick
Ah, I misread tour comment. I thought it said "include." What's the general suggested replacement?
DocNitro
Well, if you like the 'Unless you hand compiled it yourself on clay tablets 1000 years ago, you should not even use open source' attitude, consider something arch based.
RedTwoX
I put off the upgrade to 11 as long as I could, and I've been looking at finally migrating to Linux. This will up my timeline.
SunFart
Go with mint. I am only 1 month in and tbh I don't miss winslop 11 at all
ButtscratchMcPherson
Still haven't upgraded to 11 on my desktop yet...
Armouredfalcon
Im still on Win10 on my desktop with no intention or reason to uprade to Win11 yet. In fact I just today had to fix a set of 5 Laptops for a client by uninstalling a Windows 11 update that decided to *delete the entire Wifi functionality the OS* lmfao. Ill stick with Win10 thanks
RusMeasure
Yes, Windows updates are the reason for system inoperability and crashes in most cases.
illegalacorn
Windows updates have turned into malware
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Just do it. Mint (Simple and convenient), CachyOS (focus on minimalism and speed), Bazzite (if you are gaming focused and want console like experience), Nobara (if gaming, streaming, editing, and design are forefront) And with pretty much any of these use the KDE Plasma desktop cause it will feel the most like windows if that is what you are after for a smooth transition.
SneakorsMcSneakorsface
Do you have opinions on Zorin or Amiga?
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
I do not sadly. Have not used them. But my most important advice is to look for what you need. There is probably a distro for it. And there are plenty of tech testing channels who do side by side comparisons of various distros.
RedTwoX
Been looking pretty hard at Bazzite. Reaper (DAW) has a Linux build, but I've seen folks have issues with VSTs built for Windows. I play guitar as a hobby for fun. I'm not going to lose money if my favorite virtual amp doesn't work... but I really like the stuff I'm currently using. Also need to make sure MakeMKV and Handbrake work, but it seems like they do. I should check out Nobara.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Also checking Flatpost and Bazaar (two installation repositories like an app store) and both have both MakeMKV and Handbrake as one click installs.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Not that I use it really but I did have it downloaded. The only extra step to making it run (In Nobara) was to right click and then select "Run in Konsole" and it gave me the options for readme, run, install, and desktop integration. I just hit run and this popped up
Totallycasual
Jfc, Linux here i come.
DSREX
As an 25 year IT pro working in large enterprise environments. There is a zero chance any large business adopts this. That is likely going to be so full of security flaws, it will leak your data like a drain. No one wants all this AI crap forced into everything we do. MS needs to take the AI dial off 11.
jordmen
I guarantee it's adopted at scale at nearly all if not all large corporates as they do with every new version of their OS they use... because these companies just have humble IT people that click update and ask them to reboot when stuff is broken.
mairusupawa
> There is a zero chance any large business adopts this.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of decision-makers.
Vkiwi2
done 11 years in enterprise so far.. 100% agree, even the move to 11 was painful.. cad software already uses a crapton of ram, 11 chewed an extra ~4-5gb.. with nothing to show for it.
cousteau
To paraphrase a common saying, the S in AI stands for Security.
battery1979
Time to embrace the penguin.
Freak0zoid
I'm going for Linux Mint I guess
SerialChickenLover
Modular = We’ve sliced up everything you expect from an operating system and we’re going to sell the pieces back to you at a premium; Subscription = You didn’t expect this to be a one-time payment, did you?; AI = Here, have a useless feature that will eat your RAM and spy on you.
sometimesarobot
None of it will even work.
Shinryus
Here's to hoping valve makes a mainstream operating system for the normal everyday person to understand and use.
lovingspace
Get linux. Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora,... pick a flavor.
I switched decades ago and I have never been happier.
I forgot the last time I had to format my computer. I think Obama was still president. And it was only because I got a new laptop. That should give you an idea of how well it works.
Vebrandsson
The only thing Microsoft has going for it at this stage is so much commercial software corporations rely on only work on the windows platform and no amount of screwing with wine/bottles can get around that for a lot of that software. However if Microsoft breaks the will of corporations to keep paying for it such that they start seeking alternatives that may well signal the end of windows
shalafi71
They're trading low-value for high-value customers. Kinda like Oracle and VMware, fuck off the small guys, squeeze the big dogs.
HeresYourSauce
Yeah, and windows is getting to be bad enough that's not even what it was.
Steam is investing *heavily* into linux, and with one major company others are too.
Vebrandsson
From my point of view steam can throw all the money they want into Linux and it won't change much. Too many tools to manage things like billing, and system databases for equipment from companies like Bosch and Honeywell and General Electric whom are far far bigger names than steam will at least keep my job tethered to windows for thr foreseeable future until those sort of big names start investing in Linux too, or at least make their software friendlier to wine Microsoft will carry on.
williamshakesbeer
Well who knows, maybe steam os could be the tipping point. If more and more people drop windows for steam os, those companies could start investing in Linux, gotta follow the money.
Sebastopol140
This!!!
Larnoc
I can't fucking remember how to use linux, it's been too long, how can they have made windows this shit that I'm actually considering it? useless bastards. Grep ... something?
boumboum34
Linux has come a long way. Linux Mint isn't a Windows lookalike, but is one of the most intuitive beginner-friendly distros out there. Most things can be done just using the GUI without messing with typed-in commands. Windows, mouse, icons, menus, pretty familiar to Windows/Mac users.
And unlike Windows, Linux updates itself transparently in the background, and never requires a reboot, contains no spyware, no AI, and doesn't try to seize control of your PC from you.
thatlamer
Switched to linux mint a month ago, and so far haven't had any major rough spots. Nothing a quick google search hasn't helped me resolve. Games just work thanks to steam, in 90% of cases. A lot of major software has a linux version, and there are alternatives for those that don't.
Also if you have an older laptop that you just use for browsing and basic tasks (including productivity), linux cuts the resource overhead by a huge margin. It's not a bloated mess.
jridley
I used Linux on servers for my whole career, about 25 years. I tried Linux a few times on my home desktop but never made it stick.
Finally about 4 years ago Windows pissed me off enough to try again.
The current version of Linux Mint made it easy for me to switch. It's actually easier to set up and use than Windows is, and the hardware support is better - several devices I have just work under Linux, but under Windows are a pain to get working right.
thatlamer
For my 2012 laptop, I installed mint as well. On windows 10 I'd have nothing but a browser with a half dozen tabs open and it'd be hitting 95+% memory usage within a couple hours. On linux, same browser setup (backed up and restored my user profile and tabs), discord, spotify, etc and it clocks in at around 60%.
Sebastopol140
And mint isn't even a light distro. Linux can run on very old hardware.
Evenmoreuselessname
Yeah. Puppy Linux requires 512mb with LXQT as the desktop
Sebastopol140
I always have a puppy ready on a usb stick.
sometimesarobot
I got linux xfce and then turned off everything. I don't need multiple work spaces/screens and all those whatsits. I'm a simple man.
billstranger
I have a $200 CAD Asus laptop that i have Ubuntu Studio running on. Audio recording works better than my windows 10 desktop that outweighs it in every measure, including 32gb vs 8gb ram, later generation processor, namebrand ssd vs amazon cheap as was available trash, etc. It's a learning curve, but i enjoy it. Doesn't replace the desktop for gaming, but for everything else it's as good with worse specs.
itsjustplaid
Do you have issues with multiplayer games in Steam?
eronth
I have not had a single multiplayer game have problems (or at least, ones that seen to be Linux related). I've played: Space Marine II, Helldivers 2, Guild Wars 2, Deadlock, YAPYAP, Split Fiction, Speed Freeks, Void Crew, Jump Ship, RV There Yet, Orcs Must Die Deathtrap, Satisfactory, Necesse, Baldur's Gate 3, Borderlands 2.
And that's just the multiplayer ones I've played since switching (approx a year or so ago). There will be games that have issues, but man so many just do not.
itsjustplaid
Interesting. Have yet to try those games, but that's good to know.
eronth
I will warn, it's competitive games that are more likely to have anticheat that simply does not work on linux. So I've heard Valorant doesn't work. My list of games definitely includes a few competitive ones, but it's mostly just PvE or similar.
b0stark
Depends on the game. areweanticheatyet.com is a place you can look up your multiplayer game of choice to see if it works or not. protondb.com for any other game. Most games, including new releases, usually "just works".
itsjustplaid
Thanks! Will check both.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Different person. But no not really. But I also use GE-Proton even in Steam as a compatibility layer... most cause it... has more compatibility.
jordmen
protondb has a list too, to check what works
itsjustplaid
Thanks
torokunai
Mac owner since 1989 -- I've been saying no thanks to Microsoft crap since the 80s LOL
SunFart
You don't think Apple an equally huge company won't be slopping it up? Reality check time
illegalacorn
Why would they destroy themselves?
greenytali
Dang I have been using microsoft since DOS 6.22, I drew a line in the sand and have a windows 10 image that I block from updating, AI or communication with Microsoft servers. I will never touch a new version, which means I better get familiar with the penguin.
Sebastopol140
As others have said, some distros are very friendly and won't have you write a single line of code. Mint is a good example.
theVodkaCircle
What would be the most Windows (10) like experience please?
Imustntrunaway
I have found Fedora to be very comfortable leaping from win10. I specifically use the KDA plasma DE (Desktop Environment) version of it. Fedora is pretty stable while still keeping up with new features as they develop, and it's very friendly with Flatpaks, which are a sort of containerized system for applications which is probably the safest way to install things on a computer.
Fedora with KDE is *boring* in how easy it is. I was honestly expecting to have to do a bunch more to get it to work.
kruug
Kubuntu.
Sebastopol140
Zorin maybe.
theVodkaCircle
Thanks.
SunFart
Zorin but it's just 2 people updatting every so whenever. Mint has a huge community supporting it. Updating it all the time
kruug
Very true. So true, in fact, you have to pay to unlock software (Zorin Pro).
Sebastopol140
Normal version is perfectly ok as it is... but yeah.
TonyDiethelm
Come to Linux folks. It's great. It just works.
harbengerprime
not completely, I have had terrible experiences thus far. However, I discovered it is because of the shit PC I was using. As soon as I upgrade my GPU Windows is history
RusMeasure
I support, let's say together NO to the Windows monopoly
jordmen
exclusively used it for almost 30 years now
EstoyPoopis
Thanks Todd.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
It's finally happening. 2026. The year of the Linux Desktop.
somebackup
hahahaha. as much as I enjoy it, it's just never going to happen. I had my mum on it, but issues still need the cli.
DSREX
That CA bill that is trying to force age verification on OS is very likely a weaponized attempt to hurt Linux. MS and Apple give two shits about it they can adapt easily, it is one more tab on their pile of shit. OpenSource will get hammered with the weight of government for daring to try.
Schlumpfi
I personally think we should exclude the US for linux use - geo blocking installations and everything their government expects to accept the block. Yes, it’s 4% of the world’s population, with a lot of amazing people. But their government is seriously harming open source software. Let them use windows, it’s USA made and can follow every US guideline for software they want. The other 96% of this planet can use linux as they want.
DSREX
Hey now as a Linux person and someone who understands that there are likely billions of embedded Linux installs in the the US alone. Lets slow down and just fix CA before they actually do the dumb thing.
Canigetbannedagain2
Wait till you find out what's happening in '27, California passed a f'up bill requiring O/S to have age verification in which "sort of" makes Linux illegal in Cali. It's really confusing, stupid law, the O/S has to spy on you and report if you are underage. Also your apps will watch you too, and some how either fine you or the developers if your underaged... (Second half is one link 1/2)
Canigetbannedagain2
( 2/2 a bit more info) https://www.techradar.com/computing/software/californias-age-verification-law-is-proving-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know-and-why-some-linux-distros-are-in-the-firing-line
wearsPantsOften
I went minty later last year on my workstation. Likely going to do the same on this Win11 laptop I love or try another disty. I've found my love of computing again. Installing is easy, it's the rest after that comes with a little elbow grease. You'll feel really happy with yourself as you make little discoveries that had a bit of friction. It's hard to describe.
mauricioaraldi
Moved to CachyOS 3 months ago, best decision
Tawns
So are we going bazzite or nobara?
ExorionPremier
I've done the switch a few months ago (Fedora 43 KDE Plasma), it's liberating
RusMeasure
Can you tell me what's incredible about it?
ExorionPremier
The first thing that was great was not be forced to update, then the package manager, not having to go to every website to download software. Then being able to customize the hell out of plasma, multiple bars behaving differently on each monitor, stuff like that. Also window controls, having them always open in the right spot and the right size, Spotify was an issue for me for this on windows.
Everything just working out of the box as well, every game I play works too, some with proton.
ExorionPremier
Oh and everything feels faster and snappier, given how lightweight Linux is compared to windows
stronomer
Been there since ... 1997 or so.
bamblebimble
Nope, it still doesnt support multiple key features many people want/need. Mainly because nvidia is dragging their feet
SideBoobsWillGetYouBanned
Like what? I'm curious about Linux, but been with Windows since the beginning. Not sure I'm gutsy enough to switch..
MrImmaculate
And not because Linux is good enough (it has been for years) but because Microsoft has fully locked into the enshitification of their premier product. I've been running Linux on servers at work and on my home PCs for years, it's only that stupid fuckin', locked down work laptop they make me carry because while I could shut down the entire enterprise at the network level I can't be trusted to manage my own PC.
terajack2048
Can they make teams eat up some more ram cause like 50% plus just doesn’t suck enough
Raikupath
already installed a distro on my laptop. Only a matter of time until I'll install it on my main computer as well. Fuck windows.
Wapusk
For you or is there one coming for everybody? I am stupid when it comes to computer. I need plug and play, fire and forget, Playskool shit.
CitrusyGarlic
This is the actual problem that none of the elitist Linux fanboys want to address, Linux isn't at all ready for non-tech savvy users.
mormacil
Nah nvidia is gonna fuck it all up and vibe code the drivers so they brick linux by accident.
wejustdontknow
Been running Ubuntu, Linux Lite, and Elementary OS (a Linux version) on my laptops for years.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
Yeah this is more a throwback to the old Slashdot "20XX is the year of the linux desktop".
Isthe4thtimethecharm
I have thought about doing that for years. But I am afraid of ruining my laptop.
RuminatingYak
About time, since Linux dominates pretty much everywhere else.
cousteau
2027 according to https://yotld.com
cousteau
(if you have a chance, please have a look at that page's source code, it's a work of art)
SideBoobsWillGetYouBanned
I want to make the switch, but have used windows since 3.11. I'm honestly afraid things won't work and I'm stuck with a brick not knowing what to do. I'm not technical..
eronth
Like, I used to never think Linux would be a widespread use desktop, but now I think I'll actually see that shit in my lifetime. Probably not 2026, but each step like this is pushing more people to learn about Linux and consider trying it.
deaththeunholy
So you’re finally building an Ubuntu machine?
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
My plex server is Debian since like gosh, 2017 now? I keep waiting for SteamOS to be released for desktop hardware.
FuzzBall87
"SteamOS" is just arch with the steam software pre-installed.
Install arch linux and install Steam, boom, you have SteamOS.
Sebastopol140
I switched for good one month ago... still have a windows system for a few things I can't find a linux equivalent for... for now. Your days are numbered, windows!
DeepThunking
Out of curiosity: what things can you not find a Linux equivatlent for? I've been full time Linux for 25ish years, and can't recall anything in the past 10 years that I couldn't do because I don't have a Windows installation.
Sebastopol140
Virtual DJ. Oh I know about Mixxx, but it's far behind. And I need it for work, with absolute stability.
Sebastopol140
And also Karafun.
DeepThunking
I should have phrased my question more carefully, I didn't mean to imply "you could do it if you really wanted to" .. because, I don't know what I don't know, thanks for the answers!
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Microsoft has finally ended their OS tradition of releasing a good OS after the god-awful one.
By making everything worse.
jordmen
95 and 7 were the only releases that didn't have major issues immediately that broke entire systems on the large scale..
Etherealvalentine
It's b-team all the way down
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
God, I wish they gave us the b-team.
Etherealvalentine
Agreed
Sebastopol140
Yep, now it's down, and down, and down...
mairusupawa
This was always a meme that skipped specific Windows version to pretend it was an actual trend. The "one good / one bad" rule never was true.
jordmen
Yep, these people don't even remember the releases of the OSes they list. XP for example was a terrible release, it crashed reading floppy disks and cds etc.
illegalacorn
2000 g NT b, XP g Vista b 7 g 8 b 10 g 11 b
mairusupawa
Okay, where do you fit: 2.0, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 98SE, ME, Bob?
illegalacorn
Last millennium where they belong
jordmen
XP was one of the worst releases ever. Why do you think it has 3 service packs?
brrrackobama
Everything but gaming has been completely solid for 15+ years. I've been using Ubuntu for like 12 and it's much better than windows in every way.
quasarvoyager2
Ganing is pretty solid now thanks to Valves investment in Proton. Ideally we would get Steam OS on desktop, but Bazzite is apparently pretty close. The only snag is games with anti-cheat, but I've no interest in online games anyway.
awkungen42
I'm going to be running Windows 10 until Steam OS comes out. At least o. My personal gaming computer.
mauricioaraldi
Check CachyOS. Been running games smoothly
InTangier
Can confirm. Even tested it for folks flying the pirate flag, it's pretty rare to find a game that *doesn't* run. So even a somewhat niche case can be solved with stuff like Bottles + Flatseal.
I'm actually using CachyOS on my main computer these days, it's been surprisingly reliable and I'm loving it!
7hatsBollocks
Been enjoying Bazzite for over 6 months as well.
itsjustplaid
I've been holding off on it, but I suspect that will be my next machine.
DianNaoChong
Home computing might already be dead with how these shortages work. Were looking at large cultural shifts in technology usage when ai craters
CheeseB0t
I did it 4 years ago and never looked back.
It's not nearly as nightmarish as I imagined.
I love it so much more than I ever cared for windows as an operating system
ionlyregisteredtosavelinks
"not nearly as nightmarish" implies it was still nightmarish. What went wrong?
servingmytimeinusersub
.
CheeseB0t
I had to learn new things. Installing software is both way easier and more complicated. As a windows user I was used to installation wizards. In linux there's a variety of ways, flatpacks, docker images, repositories. GUI installation is still a thing but there's also CLI installs. More options feels daunting at first, familiarity over time will come.
Dependencies can be annoying until you get comfortable with CLI. With Linux, there's always more than one way to solve a problem though. Worth it
alcamar
It's kinda primed to take off. I'm afraid of the potential direction especially with Linus planning his eventually retirement
Trael
Well Linux is pretty much always "text based functional barebones operating system", that then has strong culture of modularity and graphical and so packages being built on top of it, with strong culture of there being large amount of available alternatives tailored to different needs and preferences.
So would consider it very unlikely it would go to that kind of direction... especially since base stuff and most popular stuff is generally licensed in way that they will remain free and available.
Trael
So even if some commercial version would raise, or some earlier option would branch into commercial version, community and whoever would be able to just continue from point just before branching and develop to new free alternatives, with strong culture of licensing it in way that others can branch out from those if they want.
Trael
And in that community branching and running alternative parallel options is nothing new or "potential to destroy whole thing" risky, as it has been around and ongoing all the time.
ionlyregisteredtosavelinks
Linus has cultivated decades of relationships and iirc there are succession plans. I'm not worrying.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
The SteamDeck and SteamFrame both seem really good spot for this also. And yeah when Linus retires that's gonna be weird. Hopefully he hands the reigns to somebody who knows what they are doing and is prepared.
RunningDroid
AFAIK he's intending to hand the reins to gregkh but I could be wrong
trickflo
I saw a video with him in where he said he barely handles anything anymore and were already seeing what linux is like with him out of the picture
IncognitoEnthusiast
I 100% believe that the Gabecube is meant to come out for release near that Win12 release for that very reason.
smashpro1
It was supposed to come out in Q1, meaning before the end of March, but the RAMpocalypse has delayed that.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Its been delayed and you can literally buy a miniPC right now and install Linux on it. Bazzite and Nobara are both pretty much feature complete and will cost less and probably be just as fast or faster than whatever the Steam Machine will be (unless they completely update the spec and even then new miniPCs will be out.) Get one with an Oculink port and be able to plug in a GPU you can buy later for better gaming and be set.
IncognitoEnthusiast
That literally does nothing to address what I said either. Most consumers dont or wont want to, install linux on their own, much less build their own PC. It's not about the price, it's about ease of access and standardization. Steam supporting a specific distro will also push more people into the Linux space as well, meaning more devs will start supporting it out of necessity. You cant just use price as the sole factor.
smashpro1
I hope more USB 4 v2/Thunderbolt 5 devices come out soon. It's even faster than Oculink and almost the full performance of the GPU.
DanielAsparagus
Yeah. That’s what my Mac runs.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
Not to be a nerd but I'm pretty sure MacOS is freeBSD based and if you call that linux you are gonna piss of a bunch of sweaty nerds. It's a unix-like but not based on linux.
DanielAsparagus
No. I was told it’s Linux. That’s what I’m programming when I copy and paste shell commands.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
I mean
DanielAsparagus
The guy at the Genius Bar wouldn’t have given me bad information.
xmaneds
no it is based on UNIX and not on Linux
DanielAsparagus
They are the same.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Finally? If you swapped to Windows 11 for anything other than your work demands it I think you are a bit of a chump. There's distros for a LOT. With custom kernels. Vet your installs but like holy crap there is pretty much 0 reason to to be using Windows anymore. There is even flatpak repositories that are just click install. Update managers that you can pick what and when to update. And programs like Bottles for running windows native programs just fine. I left the moment Win10 support dropped.
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IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
I mean I only DL from the official sites/servers. But getting summaries from people who do extensive testing on the different distros is handy. I focused on privacy and gaming performance myself and I follow a large number of tech head youtubers and such and if they all generally agree that its safe and performs well I test it. Its not a bad idea to check the source code at that point if you are savvy but if not you can always ask community boards (Discord, Matrix, Reddit if you must) about it.
RusMeasure
The biggest turn off of Linux is the inability to use only buttons like in Windows. Linux still requires the use of a terminal and manually writing commands, even in non-complex tasks.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
No absolutely not. Whoever is telling you that is a liar. Most tasks can be achieved without touching a terminal window (Yay flatpak/appimage/sh). There are SOME programs for niche applications that MIGHT require you to right click them and run them in the terminal... but from there its a text prompt with simple options like y/n 1/2/3/4 or simple letter codes. I just looked at Reaper DAW and to be fair it needed a terminal. But it had 4 options. V(iew readme) R(un) I(nstall) A(dd) all explained.
eronth
I tried to create a shortcut to a folder just the other day, and I couldn't figure out a normal way to do it that didn't involve terminal commands.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Open the location with the folder or file you want. Click and drag to the place you want the shortcut. When you release a menu will open. Click "Link Here" and done.
RusMeasure
It is quite possible that I am wrong, since my use was about 5 years ago, and I used Ubuntu, and some tasks required a terminal, but the tasks were one-time tasks for setting up certain ways of interacting with the system. But there were many such tasks, over and over again I came across something that I didn’t like and tried to change it. Overall the experience was still positive. I will try again because I really want a good alternative to Win!