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His last words were "ouch daddy, ouch"
His father could not accompany him to the hospital because the cops decided to handcuff him after shooting his kid.
We are pretty fucking far from OK.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/texas-deputies-open-fire-on-non-violent-suspect-6-year-old-boy-playing-inside-his-own-bedroom/
Tinoki
This is so negligent I’m sick to my stomach....I can’t even imagine
ButtholeMarsBarDispenser
As a father of young children, im fucking gutted. What the fucking fuck, America.
FuckGlitter
"Offered a $100,000 settlement" the sheer audacity of these people, to say that baby's life has a dollar amount. I feel for this family.
Dassenator
Poor kid..
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
Poor parents that now have to live without their baby.
FailedCrate
"Ouch, daddy, ouch." - my soul's bleeding. Lock those cops up.
whiskerbiscuit
I'm truly afraid that if anything like this happened to my child, it would turn me into a very violent person. I can't really imagine
leopardspotster
hotroddadbod
Insurance rules the world
LoudAngryJerk
so long as police unions exist as they do, neither this, nor any other viable solution will ever, EVER HAPPEN
CyborgScribe
Which seems odd to me. Other professionals have unions but those unions dont stop them from needing liability insurance.
Secretsquid
I think durring hunting season someone should follow the sheriff home and shoot him then claim you aren't responsible because you 1/2
Secretsquid
Meant to shoot the deer 10 miles west of him. It was an honest mistake.
FrostyRaptor
Trying to put a price tag on a child life.
Roshiro
Apparently that poor kid's life was worth $100,000 and a bullet. Fuck these assholes for thinking this was how you make amends.
InfinitusEquitas
I mean it's the south, it's not exactly a new thing for them.
whatsisname
What are you advocating for then? Shoot one of the cop's kids dead instead?
FrostyRaptor
No, hold a criminal trail for murder.
InfinitusEquitas
Unfortunately grand juries are how prosecutors pass off any responsibility.
suitstiesandhandgrenades
Texas lawyer here - $100k is the statutory cap for TTCA claims. That's the most the state government can be held liable for damages.
MrRambuctious
Shithole country is a shithole run for profit and lives don’t matter.
KrautMick
“Ouch, Daddy, Ouch”...my heart is breaking thinking about this. I can’t imagine this happening to one of my kids.
minniemousz
I don't even have kids and this made me sob... Hug your little ones tight, this story is crushing my heart.
sheebalasvegas
can't even imagine this
JetSkiJeff
Same, literally crushed me. That poor boy, I can’t imagine.
NUTTDOGG
I don’t think I could live with myself without exacting revenge.
alexiselizabethxo
So freaking horrible. Definitely immediately hugged and kissed my son after reading that.
Painkiller1020
The worst part is this shit happens all the time. The PD settles or pays and the money comes from the budget. WHICH IS TAX PAYER FUNDED!
TheLonePengu
It does happen all the time. This happened just before Christmas 2017. Doesn’t justify it, just saying it’s not breaking news.
Painkiller1020
WE ARE PAYING THE POLICE TO KILL US
LearnSomethingNew
They need to make settlement payments come out of police paychecks or retirement funds. Maybe they would actually think about their actions
CurbYourClassWar
Txcincy
This is why you defund them. If they can't perform their jobs in a responsible way, we need to force change
suitstiesandhandgrenades
The exception are §1983 claims where you can get punitive damages against individual cops, but that's a federal case and harder to pursue.
Vaars
Umh, bystander child dead is really bad, but credit card abuse and fraud isn't worthy of a death sentence either...
cptcr
it's not even worth a police chase
BlahBlahBlacksheep555
Here in Texas, sadly, it doesn't matter. An excuse to fire off a few (or 20) rounds.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
The south really likes the death penalty. Which is funny when you consider the south is also largely "pro life".
sc363
There's so much subtext to "pro life".. it's disgusting. It's pushing religious dogma on others. Hang in there rbg.
Arthiem
This is just like when that ups driver got taken hostage, so the florida cops lit up the highway during rush hour like an 80s action movie.
stevencloser
That the one where the cops killed the hostage and took cover behind cars with families in them?
Arthiem
Yeah killed the hostage, killed the dude at the red light behind him, injured a few more. Etc.
Keitek
That's the one.
MechaNinja
1) They shouldn't have shot if they didn't see a weapon. 2) They are expected to know what's beyond their target.
MechaNinja
3) Deputy Keller needs to retire and go into some other line of work. Perhaps underwater basket weaving.
MechaNinja
Frankly, on those three points alone, the county should have to pay. Whether that's how the law works, I don't know.
orangebicx
Why do you need to shoot 20 times to kill a non violent offender??
HypnoJack
I think they just really wanted to try out that assault rifle. Why even take it out in the first place against this kind of suspect??
BlahBlahBlacksheep555
I guess they take credit card fraud VERY serious in Texas.
Shargan8
In a country run by bankers it is a cardinal sin to commit credit card fraud :D
EchoPMIM
Because they miss 95% of the time? (/intentionally missing the point)
LowTinaTurner
Because shootin guns is fun y'all! Fuckin A right! Hit your target boys!! Feel the power!
leftovergolf
Cops are fucking pussies
Ltjohnmcclane
I downvoted you. You paint with broad strokes.
NurgleErik
Please don’t insult pussies. Nothing wrong with those.
leftovergolf
Whoever downvoted me can eat shit
ConservationOfAss
Boot lickers gotta boot lick
hotroddadbod
NeoShell
I've spoken on this multiple times with friends and family. As a veteran, who pulled guard in Iraq, with rules of engagement to adhere to...
NeoShell
Face to face with potential enemies everywhere and a language barrier, to come back and have this many people killed by law enforcement...
NeoShell
Officials. It does strike me as either they're doing it on purpose or they are of the most cowardly of pussy. Not all, but it is a culture.
sevenfingerman
Waiting for the “all lives matter” crowd to show up and demand justice. Any minute now, I’m sure.
LowTinaTurner
They're busy memorizing excuses for not wearing a mask in public and why this whole Covid thing is bullshit.
meganical
They only care when it’s still in the womb. Once it’s out, it’s on its own
LookingLikeASnack
ALM just exists as a counter to BLM. The reality is they don't give a damn about any lives, especially black ones.
bcannan
Shooting was in 2017. If they are coming, they are taking their time.
Someshithead241
If they did, would you then berate them for supporting all lives matter?
DuckPlanetKing
But they won’t because they’re just bootlickers for the cops.
Someshithead241
But thats not what is being asked. So, answer the question.
DuckPlanetKing
I would. The only reason they came with that slogan is to go against black people trying to improve their conditions.
Someshithead241
So, you don't care about actions. Even those actions contradictory to the preconceived notions of what a person in a group will do. You
Diplominator
Yes, because they would still be awful morons. Just not hypocrites too.
Someshithead241
So then why would they come here, to morally prostrate for your benefit, when you would still berate them and treat them like shit?
Shoutrr
but they won't.because their nature is of self victimization "how dare they think about this kid's death and not about the peble in my boot"
Someshithead241
That doesn't answer the question.
Shoutrr
the question is moot, since they won't do it.
Someshithead241
The question isn't moot, because its a hypothetical. Whether it is likely to happen or not, is irrelevant. Its hypothetical. So answer it.
yaboiskinnypeen
Hey firearms people, what's one of the 3 main rules? Know your target and what lies beyond? Fucking makes my blood boil.
Arthiem
I cant belive my tax dollars go to pay for stupid hitmen like this.
Gatzarlok
There are 4 main rules. Treat all guns as if they are loaded, Make sure you know your target and what is beyond it, keep your finger off 1/2
Gatzarlok
the trigger until you are ready to fire, and never point the muzzle at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
ZAPZAPMOTHAFUCKA
This is exactly why cops should have no more power than a .38 special or .380. 9mm and up over pen like a mofo.
ZAPZAPMOTHAFUCKA
If you need more firepower, THEN. pull out the rifle.
yaboiskinnypeen
Honestly I think that 45 would be better in terms of rounds. Large, "slower" round that is easier to stop if it does hit something.
SadToSay
I've heard firearms trainers often say cops are the worst because they have high levels of confidence exceeding their knowledge and skill
schocker28
Most cops don't train outside of their yearly qauls.
Markuspsyches
Curse you Dunning-Kruger Effect!
TheMechanick
I've always wondered, who the f is on these grand juries that don't indict when it seems so clear to the rest of us.
LowTinaTurner
Cops, Judges, Prosecutors....they're all pals. They got each others backs.
meresin2718
You read an article on the internet. They saw all the evidence.
Corrodias
That's a bold assumption that they were allowed to see the evidence.
TheMechanick
That's a fair point, but where's all the evidence? When I try to look into these there's nothing but things pointing to indict. Conspiracy/s
meresin2718
They don't exactly post a full inventory of physical evidence, transcripts from interviews, witness statements, etc online. We only see 1/
meresin2718
a tiny piece of what happened, and it's usually just someone else's opinion.
jacblake
It’s the Prosecutors who purposely tank the case to the Grand Jury. If the prosecutors hide or downplay evidence, the GJ may not know.
jacblake
Prosecutors don’t like going after cops because cops testify for prosecutors.
HypnoJack
This kind of crap is done a lot by prosecutors. There's a lot of hate against cops but many people neglect to hate on prosecutors too.
jacblake
Unfortunately, cops wear uniforms and are easy to identify in public. Prosecutors hide in suits inside secured buildings and courthouses.
HypnoJack
What I mean is: people bitch about cops but barely anyone bitches about prosecutors too.
aneyeholeman
If a case involves a cop in any way, it should automatically be taken over by the FBI and a special FBI prosecutor brought in.
Solumnux
This is something i could get behind
TheMechanick
That unfortunately makes a lot of sense. The whole system is fucked.
idownvoteyouruglycats
So... they’re murderers not cops
Esion9302
They are both, which is an exponentially larger problem since they think their murder was warranted.
BlueskydragonFX
hotroddadbod
Always have been
NergalJester
There's a difference?
kerrigan778
No, they're murderers AND cops. And the institution of "good cops" has protected them.
ilovethisdog
DamnedAustin
That's downplaying the issue. They are cops, who are murderers, and that's a big problem.
Mou5e
Yup. People will play the "No True Scotsman" card every time and we can't let that fly anymore.
idownvoteyouruglycats
Well put. Them being both is the outrageous part
macturlock
Yes they absolutely are.
Someshithead241
Manslaughter. It would be murder if they killed the guy they were aiming at. Pedantic, yes. But that's law. Its pedantic by nature.
AlexjoneswatchingTporn
Well it has to be
FiveShiftOne
No. She was unarmed and they lied about it to justify shooting her. Murderers.
Someshithead241
I don't see anything about her dying. Him, on the other hand, was not intended. And lack of intent is thus manslaughter. Which is not less
Someshithead241
Of a crime. I don't know why people insist on calling it murder when its manslaughter. Guess it just doesn't have the same punch you want.
FiveShiftOne
From the article, "The 30-year-old Jones, who had been previously arrested more than a dozen times, was also killed in the shooting."
illegalacorn
third degree murder does not require intent
illegalacorn
Well it's also murder of the UNARMED woman they shot, no?
Someshithead241
Where does it say that they killed her? All I see is the death of the kid, which is manslaughter.
illegalacorn
If they fired 20 rounds at her I'm assuming she's dead, even police aren't THAT awful shots.
Someshithead241
If she had died, don't you think they would have reported that too? Death of a child and an unarmed woman, what journalist wouldn't heap
checksandbalancesplease
hotroddadbod
BeachJustice2000
I heard this gif
ilovethisdog
hugatree11
Oh my GOSH that face jumpscared me
infiniteflux
Downvoters: Would yall please explain yourselves?
sparmek
Would anyone here listen?
sparmek
Here's my reason for down voting, mediabiasfactcheck.com/raw-story/. extreme leaning"news source" that tell half truths
Nacon
Most of the downvoters are bots, trying to increase the chance for the owner's post make it to the front page. It's stupid.
findtheotters
Let me guess what downvoters are going to say: "I come to imgur for memes not to get sad and political". The same downvoters that instead of
findtheotters
opening a post with memes, decided to open a post with an obviously tragic story, then decided to scroll down and read the comments to say
findtheotters
they don't like any of that.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
NurgleErik
Might be people who prefer cute/funny stuff. I wouldn’t know, can’t remember ever downvoting.
NurgleErik
A post that is. Comments, yes.
mektel
Usersub has an army of people that downvote stuff like this to repress it. I see it constantly.
scooterthepolluter
Currently 5463 upvotes to 169 downvotes. What army are you talking about? I'll ask again. What is being repressed?
mektel
When he made the comment 7 hours ago about 1/5th of all votes were downvotes. You comment on the front page votes; ignorant or troll idk.
scooterthepolluter
1/5th!?!? O.M.G. Yep that post was almost downvote brigaded and lost into the oblivion for eternity. 1/5th. Ahahahaha rediculous.
scooterthepolluter
Thanks for the laugh first thing for me this morning. Great start to the day. 1/5th ????
scooterthepolluter
Does it actually get repressed though? I'm a regular usersub popular browser and I see these posts all the time. Nothing is getting buried.
LathiArcanus
No one said they were *competent*. Just organized.
scooterthepolluter
Currently 5463 upvotes to 169 down. Hardly worth even mentioning let alone raising such a fuss over. Wouldn't even call it organized.
theyar
We're pissed that all of the good social media sites always turn into political propaganda machines.
FacePunschTheEngineer
Not a single bit of this post is political except the comments section.
theyar
This is America?
5aminsd
How is this political propaganda? I’m genuinely curious
theyar
America bad. It's the only country where innocent people get shot.
5aminsd
The article was about an innocent 6 year old boy that was shot and killed. Is that not bad?
theyar
Of course it is. Is it America? Or is it humanity?
Camelspotting
I mean it basically is. The only comparable country anyway.
theyar
Ok.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
I see you've previously defended the murder of George Floyd based on his alleged criminal background that is mostly BS (see Snopes link ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
below). Meaning you do not only engage in political discussions on imgur, you're a part of the deplorable alt-right misinformation machine
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/06/12/george-floyd-criminal-record/
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Yet this is too political for you? Why? Because even someone like you realizes that the murder of a child is absolutely indefensible? And …
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
that bugs you because far-right nationalism doesn't allow for criticism of the system. That's precisely why nationalism is so toxic.
OmniscientZiltoid
I'd guess some people don't come to imgur to get sad. They want an escape where they can look at fun, cool, funny and cute things
findtheotters
Why are they in this post? The other posts are funny. But no, they want all the posts to be like they want.
OmniscientZiltoid
You never scroll through the posts in the front page like you're flipping through TV channels?
scooterthepolluter
Like clockwork, it appears.
MechaNinja
Putting aside the question of whether this is a good place for it, @OP seeks discussion, not indifferent rejection.
scooterthepolluter
People who ask this question aren't seeking discussion. They're seeking to shit all over someone who actually tries to have...
scooterthepolluter
... a discussion. (trolls aside) anyone who tries to offer up a suggestion outside of "MAGA" gets downvoted and rediculed. No wonder..
scooterthepolluter
... folks don't want to get into serious discussions with people demanding to know why they voted the way they did. I've seen people suggest
scooterthepolluter
OP seeks what they know are easy useless points these days and a circle jerk to wash them down.
MechaNinja
Oh, yeah, I don't agree with that statement even a little.
findtheotters
Circle Jerk is what dumb people uses when they're angry because the majority don't agree with them.
scooterthepolluter
Where did I say I don't agree? I just don't see the need to aggressively demand that downvoters explain themselves.
scooterthepolluter
Still waiting on the part where you show me where I disagree with the "majority".
BlueLanternBraxx
Buy guys, credit card fraud! She made someone lose *gasp* some money! Open fire! /Obvs S
theyar
Not really "someone," but a bank.
PixelSprite64
CORPOrATiOns arE peoplE tOO /s
spetcnaz
And it can be reversed. Bank of America and WF will not go bankrupt of it. Sure it's a crime, but fuck so is j walking. Appropriate response
spetcnaz
for each crime man. Like imagine we start executing people for not stopping at the stop sign long enough?
synonymoususer
Not just anyone! A large corporation with billions of dollars in reserve!
illegalacorn
oh my god, that poor corporation
synonymoususer
How will it ever survive? It has subsidiaries to feed!
AttilaTheHungover
Hey, America, you suck.
ionizdgrunt
This isn't America, it's the piece of shit cops.
DubhIainn
Take responsibility.
WhatFuckingNameIsntTaken
We know...
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
We know. Many of us already knew that, and more of us are starting to realize it every day.
Nacon
As American, I agree.
IHaveAnAwesomeWizardBeard
As an American I hate Americans good amount of them are beyond stupid these fucks should be in jail for killing that poor boy
lurkerconvert
Our flaws have been laid out for the whole world to see. Bye bye super power status. We don’t deserve it anyway.
HolyShitDudeCalmDown
Like really suck. Stop being so fakely nice to everone yet habour a blood boiling hatered for anyone thats not like you.
johnnyonthescott
4/4 .... we're just not living up to said potential....yet.
avianidiot
So the leaders the laws and the citizens are all bad but somehow the country isn’t?
johnnyonthescott
The citizens aren't all bad.... Just naive.
johnnyonthescott
.3/3.... like some police officers and most politicians... but the U.S. is a great country with great potential... the problem is...
johnnyonthescott
2/3.. there are a metric f*cm load of stupid, oblivious, self righteous assholes in positions of leadership and responsibility...
johnnyonthescott
I disagree... our leadership definitely needs improvement, laws and regulations need improvement, and 1/1
AttilaTheHungover
"...fired twenty rounds from assault rifles..."... "non-violent suspect". As a person from a civilised country, my mind boggles.
nanoman273
Do you think as an American I can get refugees states
DubhIainn
Do you feel like you are being oppressed by the govt. For views or opinions you may have? Is there threat of persecution or bodily harm?
JustAPileOfCats
These are people whose training as armed officers of the law took less time than that of your average hairdresser. They're not fit to serve.
HypnoJack
And somehow that little training meant they're suited to wield assault rifles too. That boggles my mind.
FuckGlitter
As a person in america, it boggles mine too....
Grimvarr
America is an uncivilised nation lead by a cabal of moneyed interests whose only purpose for the citizens is as a source of further wealth.
jeff15116
I'm pretty much a fucking neanderthal and even I think this is nuts.
subparsubpoena
Well, apparently you're not an asshole. The cops & bounty hunter are.
ilovethisdog
TenEighty
I will say, if there was in fact a 2 hour police chase I think this person can definitly do something dangerous, does not justify this but1/
TenEighty
Leading police on a chase is dangerous and an act of violence. No I don't think they needed to shoot just saying this is a bit biased.
HieronymousFlex
hiyesthisissatan
America is not a civilized country. :(
METROlD
I think cops do this because we don't have gun laws. So they all assume we have machine guns and grenades. It's fucked up. We don't want it.
alyoshenka23
I doubt your country is as civilized as you think
SnakeonaSegway
Wait, you're from a "civilised" country, so I expect you'r not from the US? /s. I'm sorry for you guys, please vote?
freiman
right like if someone is running away it isn't ok to open fire
ThisIsMyUsernameThereAreManyLikeIt
...On a non-violent suspect, that has faked a few credit cards? Not really, no...
BabyBumbleBee3
As a person who lives in this hell hole, my mind boggles too.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
I’m tired of living in a shit hole country
DukeLaserMaster
Me to. Id give anything to leave.
ArturoRobertoVelasquezDonGato
Same. This is beyond the pale.
TallDarkndHandsy
I'm sorry for all you sane folk. I really am. But what the flying fuck guys
DrunkenValkyrie
Same
BtotheZ
Me too
HypnoJack
I've noticed this crackdown on police behavior in the US is simmering down lately. I really thought it would lead to lots of good changes.
uplock
Too much money being made by not changing.
FlyingDorito
Yeah, that doesn't even sound like real......
FlyingDorito
what happened to my comment? o_o
FlyingDorito
maybe I should've said, this whole thing is so ridiculous that this sounds like something from badly scripted movie.
partyanimal69420
You don’t even sound like real
rhapsodyinblah
There have been horrific tragedies in every nation on earth. Get off your high horse.
stillnotawake
So because they happen, we just accept it?
Blumpykin
By your flawed logic, nobody can ever be mad about anything, ever, 'cause the holocaust or black plague happened, dip-shit.
rhapsodyinblah
The Jews were blamed for the plague, and the Nazis blamed the Jews for everything, dipshit. A superior attitude precedes atrocities.
rhapsodyinblah
Name one “civilized country” that is morally blameless in any era.
Passenger56
Yes but only one claims to be a shining city upon the hill
SteveHarringtonBabysittingServices
This. Exactly. “Beware of the man who has to tell you he’s great”
DaveTheScientist
It happens so. Fucking. Often. In the US. It's not remotely close.
JohnSnot
All police force combined doesn't probably shoot 20 rounds in the field within one full year here, not to mention assault rifles
HypnoJack
Why do police even have assault rifles? It sounds like these cops just wanted an excuse to use their toy.
LegallyDistinctN64
The 1986 Miami shooting between FBI agents and two bank robbers, agents had 9mm&357/38 handguns, suspects had a semi auto rifle and others.
LegallyDistinctN64
The agents did have two shotguns in vehicles as well as other agents with rifles who were too far from the scene to help, this is credited
LegallyDistinctN64
With changes from more officers having easily accessible rifles in cars, only two agents had body armour, so more officers got body armour
HypnoJack
I get what you're saying but can you use an example that is more recent than 34 years ago? And why have an AR against a woman for fraud?
LegallyDistinctN64
Sorry it took me a little while to finish typing, I explain that I don't think every police should be that heavily armed.
WhatTheDormouseSaid
Well, we're talking about America, and Texas at that, so we can shelve the concept of 'civilized'
snarflex
Luckily they're not as civilized as Portland, Seattle, or Minneapolis, or a lot more innocents would be dead.
gorum666
a shithole country for decades broken down by their system to believe they are the greatest nation in the world
TallDarkndHandsy
Do people still believe that over there? I still hear it often. But its unfounded. I suppose you are the wealthiest, but even china will
TallDarkndHandsy
Take that crown soon. Apart from that you lead in incarcerations per capita but thats about it
011100000110100101100101
We aren't even the wealthiest in the world. It's just the wealthiest people in the world live here
nopenononope
... are you guys accepting applications, or...?
RunThatIn
please let me in too!
NomDeImguerre
No, thanks to Covid, there's a wall around the US.
CptJohnYossarian
Yeah nah, we'll all happy to pay for that wall now.
DubhIainn
No thanks. Sorry, but you can keep your freedom nicely contained in the USA, that'd be good.
TheDepressedCommunist
?
DubhIainn
Your username. I agree. Not just 13 y/o kids though, but also a whole nation.. And it's laws and legal system// Hope you're doing okay man.
DubhIainn
Your username, I agree. Not just 13 y/o kids though, but also a whole nation, its laws, legal system and ideals. // Hope you're doing okay
RunThatIn
we’re pretty far from Ok
BlahBlahBlacksheep555
As a person living in Texas, I'm not surprised at their behavior. This immunity to their actions shit has to end. They murdered that kid.
hetnkik999
I mean, technically manslaughter. They manslaughtered that kid.
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
They murdered the suspect and the child
PicassoCT
That child would have grown up to be a killer, i mean- after all its parent was murdered. Thats a batman right then & there.. /s
kolr
I know you used /s but would like to make it clear that the suspect and the murdered child were NOT related.
notestoyou
And that's related, how? It's irrelevant, both are gone. This idea of immunity for the police is at best fucked, hold them all responsible.
HypnoJack
Killed for fraud and credit card abuse. Just wow....
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
If only that applied to a Wall Street and Politicians too
sciencebasedlifeform
Murder implies intent. It was grossly negligent. Totally not defending the scumbags here. They need to be held accountable
illegalacorn
third degree murder is murder.
ArandomDane
At the very least it is Constructive manslaughter, which is a murder charge... Aka fucking murder.
ramshackleackle
Nah with power comes responsibility. If you killed that kid in a car accident without intent you'd go to jail.
ramshackleackle
And my sincerest apologies to the family, I support you.
SithElephant
It is a damn shame 'corporate manslaughter' is not a thing for these kind of cases.
AgainstMethod
It's it not?
SithElephant
It is not, generally, only a few jurisdictions have the concept. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_manslaughter
OmenJones
The only possible intent of that many rounds is death. It's not negligence.
koops
I’m pretty sure they intended to kill. It’s not like those rifles fired bubbles.
ConsecutiveIntegers
The distinction being that they definitely intended to kill the woman, but not specifically the child. It's an ugly legal loophole.
ConsecutiveIntegers
They might get manslaughter but I'm not a lawyer and I only know this much from watching too much YouTube
illegalacorn
third degree murder
VagrantKoba
Well, they did intend to murder. Maybe not Kameron, but that had intent to murder.
TheZommie
could still make the argument it is murder. If the first murder was illegal, then any manslaughter charges at the same time get bumped up
TheZommie
to 1st degree murder, but would need lawyers and a court to argue the semantics all day long
ramshackleackle
Once a kill shot is lined up you should have thought about the possibilities.
vlej
wait, killing the woman was warranted then?
TheZommie
someone closed their eyes as she ran past him, it was OBVIOUSLY required to gun this woman down, no matter who or what she was near
vlej
fair enough...
sharon838
1/2 Not from what I’ve read. She was unarmed. A couple of deputies claimed she kept grabbing for her hip, but this was just pure insanity.
sharon838
2/2. That poor baby boy. There are no words.
coffeeismyfriend
No. Police are not juries.
RatherDashingOne
They are the executioners.
nate55
Somebody needs better trained police
ShadyEsperanto
Look, if the government is going to give police assault rifles, they gotta use 'em somehow.
whyCantWeBeFriends
Now has come the time when neither the killer nor the killed know.
Bystandr
Uh, not sure about you, but its pretty obvious to me it was unwarranted. Im thinking since the city made an offer, even a paltry one at
whyCantWeBeFriends
Thats what i mean, the killer didnt have a reason, and neither does the one that was killed. There was no reason. He shouldnt have died.
Bystandr
$100K that THEY know. Im pretty sure the parents feel it was unwarranted along with most of the people looking at this post. You dont need
Bystandr
to shoot at unarmed suspects you have stationary against the side of a trailer. A dozen police should be able to take down one unarmed
Bystandr
female without a weapon. Come on. Trying to link anything prophetic to this travesty is unseemly and inappropriate in the context you form.
infiniteflux
They shot a fraud suspect 20 times. She was unarmed. Standing in front of an occupied trailer.
triestino21
There were hi 5s at the station after. They did such a good job/s
MadLogTheGr8
Even this should be highly illegal - killing a suspect without a threat of life to the officers or innocents - this is so sad
EatYourSoylentGreenAndShutUp
Shoot first ask later. What else is new?
PuraVidaMN
Please make it stop. What is wrong with our system?!
Mrbrown512
There was a “threat” the officer then said there actually wasn’t and they lied about seeing a gun
MCNewYorkLives
They pulled an Uncle Jimbo of screaming "she's got a gun!" Without any proof. They should be jailed
HypnoJack
Don't regular people go to court for misleadingly yelling "fire" in crowded public areas to incite panic?
NightfallEverdark
Because one deputy said she pointed a gun at him, and then admitted to lying. So, a lot of onus is on that asshole.
Jtalissen
Also later admitted his eyes were closed cause she was coming at him. Closed eyes and flinched
HypnoJack
And nothing will happen to him.
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TheFeralDog
... Though since they obviously never saw a weapon themselves.
ThatOtherTransGirl
"Still no reason to shoot." Say that again. Opening fire without immediate threat is inexcusable.
TheFeralDog
That's literally what i said only pointing out the officers who shot did believe she was armed. Not excusing the shooting just...
TheFeralDog
...replying to someone saying unarmed fraud suspect. That's not what those officers were told.
IntentiomalTypo
Context matters. Assuming someone is armed changes the mindset the officers are in and explains why the high end tensions. Explains, not
IntentiomalTypo
Excuses. The dude getting downvoted is agreeing with you.
vlej
guess the horror here is how poor of a shot they are?
infiniteflux
NYPD rate is 18% https://www.ajc.com/blog/get-schooled/gunfights-trained-officers-have-percent-hit-rate-yet-want-arm-teachers/mDBlhDtV6N
TheRationalLion
Does this talk about how NYC included the suicides of officers in their percentage of "targets hit"?
infiniteflux
Really?
vlej
that really should be enough to take guns off them
infiniteflux
Statistically over 75% of shots fired by cops miss their targets.
xKaraKx
Cops are some of the worst shots
HorriblyPositive
As a soldier, I disagree. They're objectively terrible, but armchair cowboys are usually worse. Most can't even group on a stationary target
Smagalicious
True. That is what George Lucas used as a basis for the accuracy of the Stormtroopers.
hesbeginningtobelieve
Uh no.. the horror here is that they decided to use their gun in the first place. Good shot bad shot, doesn’t matter, that was FUCKED up.
Hollowpoint357
I normally stand by your sentiment, but the fact they MISSED 20 shots is also highly alarming to me. What if this WAS a situation where..
Hollowpoint357
...shot placement mattered? They absolutely should not have engaged here, but what about the obvious lack of firearm training?...
FeChefImgur
and they used bloody assault rifles, not just a hand gun, which might not have penetrated the home behind.
hesbeginningtobelieve
And that’s awful. But using any gun in that situation was completely out of line, period.
vlej
yes, I rather agree
PearjuiceATX
Yep. No reason for force.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Tell you what... If you're a Cop who shoots an innocent person, you should be fired, and the family gets your pension, automatically. 1/
thomn8r
By "fired" you mean in front of a firing squad, right?
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
that is before the civil lawsuit. This family should be getting the pensions of every officer who fired a shot, before damages are discussed
SqueezitTheClown
Fuck that. If you’re a cop who shoots a GUILTY person and it’s not warranted you’re a fucking murderer.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Agreed. I'm talking before trials, charges anything, if an innocent dies by your actions you're out and lose the pension, outside legalities
Nacon
Not just fired... should be processed as criminal, it's manslaughter.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
I'm all for that. But there should be no discussion about a cop who killed an innocent staying on the force, outside of any legalities.
RichardJohnsonMD
These people desperately need better training.
Shargan8
I have zero training, yet it fucking occurs to me that it's not the best idea to shoot a non violent person and everything in his direction
mektel
Training won't bring back their humanity. They show complete disregard for human life.
RichardJohnsonMD
They act out of fear and panic because they lack the confidence and discipline instilled by training. Watch Jocko Willink's latest on JRE
Cwellan
They are also free of consequence which I think is a just as big contributor to cops being thugs.
infiniteflux
They need to stop watching Birth of a Nation on loop.
Starhaven350
They are also always afraid because no matter how well trained a simple traffic stop could turn deadly due to how many guns are out there.
Johnny5dicks
Then they can find a new job
MechaNinja
You can't downvote this point if you want to have an honest discussion. Watch this bodycam footage if you don't believe me.
MechaNinja
https://youtu.be/RE9fVYJWcKA
MechaNinja
I don't want anyone to think this JUSTIFIES anything, certainly not what happened to either of the victims in this post.
MechaNinja
But it is evidence that @starhaven350 has a valid point in any discussion about how to fix this.
jimmityjammity
Suspect reported to have shot, but before securing suspected firearm they back perp into corner with parading potential drug charges?!
jimmityjammity
Not to mention the witness in the background for those background shots
MechaNinja
I'd also like to add I'm not 100% comfortable with camera 3's shooting given the bystander ...
MechaNinja
(starts at about 3:06)
PossiblePotato
Be aware of what is behind your target. Fundamental rule of firearm safety
jonnygecko
This- 25% of the PRIMARY rules of firearm use. -FOUR- rules to know to even touch a firearm. “trained professionals” my ass.
awindingland
Yea I learned that when I was like 12 in fire arm safety
whooptydoo
My family doesnt even own guns and i knew that shit in like 3rd grade. Cops are fucking braindead, hateful, violent pussies
shyasen
When I had my firearms traing from a private firearm traing instructor this was rule #5 or #6. Trainer drilled "YOU are responsible" bigtime
LuminoZero
4th in the military, but yeah. Every gun loaded, Trigger discipline, don't point at anything you aren't going to shoot, what's behind it.
RogerTwoThree
Police don’t give a flying fuck. They’ll hi-five all the way back to the station knowing they got the legal system in their pockets.
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
At the VERY LEAST they should have alerted/evacuated the mobile home.
digiorno88
You think cops know anything about any kind of safety?
OneZebraInAHerdOfWildebeests
Part of problem is that once 1 fires, they ALL have to fire even if they dont know where the bullet may land so they can't trace it to 1 cop
Silverforte
They don't have proper training or discipline.
RevolutionOnHerLips
I'm a moron and I was taught this when I was about 10 or 11, when I first shot a firearm. Drilled into my head probably more than anything
CommanderShitFace
halo gave me better trigger discipline than these cops have.
SmurfEggs
But you're talking about the IS police force whose main rule is pew pew until everything in front of you is dust
ChampionChains
The rule only applies if you give a fuck. If you have no respect for human life, shoot away.
GoldFrieza
That only applies in war zones, not America
SideEffectsOfJuice
As someone concerned about how Americans love their guns, I can't help but think that the civilians with firearms probably handle them >
SideEffectsOfJuice
> better than a lot of the police do...
awindingland
This is too accurate
chompl14
That's because we're actually held accountable for our actions. We can't just say oops, line of duty and shrug
Corrodias
No shit, Sherlock.
Ryang256
^ this. Because the legal gun owners realize that it's a privilege and take it seriously.
PossiblePotato
Well....its not tho. Its a right. And rights come with responsibilities. Good citizens understand this.
TargetedAdBot
Not using lethal force on a credit card theft should be pretty fundamental as well.
LoadedBakedPotatoes
Or drones, helicopters, K-9 units.
PossiblePotato
Well Yes of course, but these perpetrators shouldn't even be carrying, is my point.
NotLuckyDucky
Agreed but it did state that the other cops involved were told by one of their own they saw a gun so they thought there maybe some danger...
NotLuckyDucky
...I’m not saying they were in the right or that it isn’t such a tragedy a child died. They should have been aware of their surroundings...
NotLuckyDucky
...and tried to take the woman in peacefully. I get why we gave immunity to cops for potentially harming a bystander in a gunfight. But...
NotLuckyDucky
... that was before when cops had higher standards for assessing the situation first. Now we just have trigger happy cops who think they...
canadianreserve
Cops are so stupid
PossiblePotato
Seeing a gun in Texas is excuse to shoot? No sir. Not unless that gun is drawn. I reject that as police making up b.s. excuses and spin.
infiniteflux
Because cops abuse this gun thing. I think cops should do like UN troops don't fire unless fired upon.
LoadedBakedPotatoes
“Mam, can you please stand against the brick wall so we can shoot you, so we don’t hit anyone else??”
PossiblePotato
Awareness doesn't mean don't shoot. It means don't shoot unnecessarily and negligently.
ConsecutiveIntegers
"Let's shoot wildly at a fleeing individual in front of a mobile home, which are renowned for their weak construction, with rifles."
LoadedBakedPotatoes
Maybe contractors should have offered an option for bulletproof walls for mobile homes. .../s
barnsandnobel
Are you saying they made proper judgement shooting when they did?
LoadedBakedPotatoes
No they didn’t. But in the moment, when you shoot a person, thinking what’s behind her, is the last thing on persons mind.
CopaceticQuasar
It absolutely shouldn't be.
LoadedBakedPotatoes
It shouldn’t be. Should have could have. Even soldiers, rarely have the time to think what’s behind the target.
LoadedBakedPotatoes
If you ever point a gun at a person in any situation, the last thing you’ll be thinking, what’s behind the person.
CopaceticQuasar
Sure, if you're a complete fucking idiot.
LoadedBakedPotatoes
Real life is not a video game. Pull a gun on a person and let me know in detail what went through your mind.
barnsandnobel
Not if your properly trained. Your supposed to take a second and confirm your target and surroundings.
LoadedBakedPotatoes
It’s easy to say it when you are seating at home, relaxed in front of a computer. IRL, you have tunnel vision. Shit goes out the window.
DamnedAustin
JFC. There wasn't even a reason to be shooting at the suspect. Let alone with a mobile home behind here with unknown persons inside. (1)
grantavius
This IS NOT what immunity was meant to protect.
gionathano
You North American with your shit weapons!
ilovethisdog
ltuthill92
What the ungodly fuck does this even have to do with Trump. I’m sick of seeing his face everywhere
ILikeToFindTheAnswers
They're just spamming this on every post
BananaFarm
JFC 2nded
Chewie81
It’s like police took the first 10 minutes of the other guys as a training course.
doughnutz
I'm not saying they should have fired, but she verbally stated she had a weapon and was going to shoot them, then pointed an object at them.
doughnutz
According to the report anyway... https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Deputies-who-killed-suspected-car-thief-13687150.php
DamnedAustin
You mean the murderers said they were justified?!?! Holy cow!
KWJester49
You mean according to the report that the deputy later admitted to lying about?
Lostchild12
Too many different stories. Police have a history of lying on their side. How many times have they said "they had a gun"?
Camelspotting
Thanks for additional sauce. But it seems like they just straight up lied, 4 deputies and none could identify a gun and they never found
MCNewYorkLives
So it seems that it's based on the sheriff's statement (not video). It's perfectly possible that they are making it up (it happens too much)
Camelspotting
one within a few feet of her body? Basically impossible.
katolu
Down votes. For this. I smell Trumpkins.
sturmhauke
That kid had the nerve to get in the way of those bullets. The family should be sued for wasting all that lead.
jrblast
And the lying about seeing a gun should raise questions about pretty much all police testimony.
AvocadoHouse
It’s the usual response.m, and if changed to “just kidding, I don’t know why I shot,” they still don’t get charged with lying or negligence.
Mentok
He should be charged with murder since his lie started the chain of events
Malcondrion
Cop here: criminal charges are made on the actual outcome, not the intended outcome. He should be charged and convicted.
ChiliBeef
Maybe I'm weird, but when I was taught to use a firearm, I was told to FIRST THINK WHAT'S BEHIND WHAT YOU'RE SHOOTING AT.
majorcovert
Especially .223 or 5.56
HypnoJack
I'm betting US police are never taught that at the academy.
choppedupcowsfeetforsandwichmeat
Yes!!! Thank you!!!
WookieWookieWookie
That's the difference. Cops in America aren't taught to think. There was no reason to fire at the suspect no matter what was behind her.
Rogahar
Cops in america get less training than hairdressers before they're set loose.
Markuspsyches
I was like 10 (I think) when I was taught that by father when I got a BBgun for Christmas.
Mentok
That's because there wouldn't be any immunity for you or me
famicus
All we really want is accountability.
jrblast
Well, it would be nice if police stopped doing things they need to be held accountable for. But accountability is a good first step.
s7r1d3r420
If the police knew they could be held accountable for their actions they wouldnt be so open about brutality or negligence.
jrblast
Like I said - a good first step.
Lostchild12
They are not open now. They continuously lie on their reports.
s7r1d3r420
Before the protests maybe but since the protests started way too many officers have been open about brutality
LurkingAtTheOffice
That's why the cop said he "saw a weapon" so he could get target practice.
HypnoJack
"I saw a weapon" and "I feared for my life" are the 2 most used excuses by cops in killings. Cops in Baltimore even kept toy guns /1
HypnoJack
in their cars to plant on people they killed exactly for the first excuse. /2
sieg443130
But 20 fucking rounds ?
LurkingAtTheOffice
They need practice.
becauseurwrong
Some cops here like to shoot until empty for some reason. I'm sure it's fed by hearing other cops they're with firing. Like applause.
DamnedAustin
These cops need to be fired and prosecuted. (2/2)
BIuesilly
Executed* too the guillotiiines!
StunttheRunt
Executed. If reject the $100K, and offer that the cops get to be in a trailer bedroom that I get to shoot at with a high powered rifle.
Imhereforthelurking
Fucking hanged. Fixed that for you.
gobhoblin
Too fast.
Imhereforthelurking
Fair point
robotGiraffeSmasher
Executed*
DamnedAustin
No. I don't believe in the death penalty.
CeeSilver
A grand jury said there would be no indictment: i.e. no arrests. The system is broken.
DiscoTurtle87
So the best outcome we can hope for at this point is the officers who shot to be so full of guilt they are haunted and remove themselves?
jcole01
*Executed.
DamnedAustin
I do not. I don't believe in the death penalty.
FieryDoom
Screw that settlement. I wouldn't ask for a dime, I'd ask for those "cops" to be locked up for life.
spetcnaz
Fucking CC fraud? Come on man. You don't shoot people for that. Before some brightlight chines in with "well she should have not ran", yes
spetcnaz
suspects sometimes run, and you have to use logic and common sense to determine the best solution for that particular suspect.
Darkspire
The penalty for resisting arrest is not death. And penalties are determined by courts, not officers. People seem to forget this.
Darkspire
To be clear, I'm stating this for those sorts, it's not directed at you in particular.
Imalwaysready
Yes, they do. But they won't. Sigh.
AndrewCowbell
I think you mean executed
OddOod
They weren't >:( https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Deputies-who-killed-suspected-car-thief-13687150.php
Cilvaa
Need to be fired, out of a cannon, into a concrete wall.
SirShmoopyofAwesomtown
And maybe not have a police force with assault weapons.
iamdanman
And hung
DamnedAustin
I don't believe in the death penalty.
iamdanman
I have mixed feelings on it but we know these mfs are guilty
capnsebastian
thats the best you can come up with? you Americans just keep going in circles, i swear
deathandtaxes1
That’s what happens when shit is going down the drain.
Potatopeelerkind
It'd be the first step, surely. No one said they should stop there. But systemic change is hard if they're not even held accountable at all.
vaginabarettes
True, they also need years more training to handle this stuff better. Stats show a well trained police force is a lot less forceful.
DamnedAustin
That depends on the training. It's dangerous to demand more training without being specific because a lot of the training police receive(1)
vaginabarettes
What about “...to handle this stuff better...” was unclear? Thanks for all that pointless sass-mouthery. You can hush now.
DamnedAustin
No. Fuck you. You dont know what you're talking about and I'll keep calling that out
Stinkpickle77
Lol what a fucking cunt.
DamnedAustin
now revolves around their own self-interests. "More training" can lead to more violent training if not specified. (2/2)
Secretsquid
Hold them to the same use of force triangle as the military is.
3lv3n
As a father, what gets me regardless of all this talk, is the little boys words 'ouch daddy, ouch' - what the fuck do you say as a dad? :(
MechaNinja
Funny thing is, if they just train more on shooting, they would probably have been better at knowing what was beyond their target :(
DamnedAustin
They don't need more gun training. They need to learn to NOT SHOOT.
illegalacorn
hi, gun owner here with zero official training. even I know that "know what is beyond your target" is a fucking fundamental of gun use.
vonHoopla
They need to be doxxed or at least have their social media forever inundated with 'closed his eyes and flinched when [woman] rand PAST him'.
PaulVolckerWithLipstick
Their names are in the article. The one who lied about the gun needs to be in jail. He is directly responsible for murdering a child.
DamnedAustin
All of them need to be in jail.
SirShmoopyofAwesomtown
No doxxing...as shifty as it is, mob justice is real
vonHoopla
Lack of justice is better than mob justice. Mob justice is better than NEGATIVE justice. Still support normal methods, but when they fail...
FabulousBadass
When the institutions that are supposed to protect us fail, we need to take matters into our own hands.
Imhereforthelurking
Hear me out. Would it be wrong?
Negnarholf
I hate mob justice, but at this point it's not mob justice, it's self defense of the masses.
epibase
So? Let the mobs get these fuckers
meltingpine
Let alone with an AR. 5.56 bullets are specifically designed to penetrate the shit out of things.
notashill
https://youtu.be/6qXwdBOZzpY barrier protection is worse than the movies make it seem
MADchemEE
Canadian, not remotely a gun guy (by any stretch of the imagination)… But: this guy knows his stuff! Highly educational. Excellent content!
notashill
Yeah he gets straight to the point too. No like and subscribe bs every vid
DiabloD3
It's insane it's even legal. In sone states, you assault rifle bans prohibit ownership of even some ammo, and cops *are* civilians too
Camelspotting
It's not insane and it isn't illegal anywhere.
PickledRyno
Not to be "that guy", but 5.56 is terrible at barrier penitration.
meltingpine
I thought they moved from nij III to nij iv plate standards specifically because of 5.56
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youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
So would many common handgun calibers, doesnt mean they were designed for it.
crazyspelling
Yeah I thought those were nato rounds, i.e., "more humane"?
UltraDi3000
A 5.56 was designed to fuck you up more. Back in the day 7.62 was more common as a service round in many countries, but it
UltraDi3000
over penetrated people leaving "only" a small hole, so they designed a round to turn and tumble inside your body doing more damage.
illegalacorn
Not to be "that guy" but a mobile home isn't a barrier to any bullet of any caliber lol
crazyspelling
This. A .22 will penetrate a car door (albeit with a tumble).
Dragon10449
A 5.56 literally is a .22 caliber round. It's just faster moving. In ther gun world the 5.56 isn't that powerful of a round when u look at
PickledRyno
Thats largely my point. Even 9mm would have sang through that structure like cardboard. The cops shouldn't have been there to begin with.