dont they also do that to minorities and gays though? you know, basically everyone who isnt cis white christofascist males? or at least everyone who doesnt identify as one
This is a tiring argument that will never be resolved. MAGA defines "real" as having the primary physical characteristics of a female at birth, versus the other side defining "real" as being a social construct and identity.
At its most reductionist, this is a grammar argument.
More to the point it's a distraction to keep both pots stirred. Release the Epstein files and stop trampling on the citizens.
Trans people deserve rights but this is literally how they treat everyone. There is nothing "special" about this treatment. It just belittles all the other people treated this way. Trans people, like all protected classes, deserve rights and protections from Conservatives.
My little sister's argument that trans women aren't "real" women? They can't bear children. My reply? Then what are we?! You decided not to bear. I tried and failed twice. So. You *COULD HAVE* born a child and didn't. And I. I wanted to. I became pregnant, twice, and never bore a child. If you don't *WANT* to be a woman? Fine. But what does that make me?! What sex am **I**?!?!
You don’t even have to believe trans women are “real” women to not be an asshole about it. Even if you’re stuck at “this dude likes to put on a dress and act like a girl.” So fucking what? How is it harming other people? Like let people be happy about themselves.
Just know that he did. Seems more than a few of these far right anti-trans, Anti-LGBTQIA dipshits love to hate on people but secretly enjoy porn of them.
That's a ridiculous suggestion. Most prominent Terfs however do consider themselves on the left. JK Rowling says she's a "left-leaning liberal who's fiercely anti-authoritarian". Julie Bindel, Helen Joyce, Joan Smith, Suzanne Moore and many others I could mention are all left-wing women.
I will never be able to fathom how generation after generation of conservatives manage to delude themselves that they will finally be the conservatives that turned out to be on the right side of history
They think that previous generations of conservatives were on the right side of history and that people who were on the right side of history were conservative.
I mean, I don't know that I've ever met a trans woman in real life, and I don't intend to find out because it's not my business. The only time the contents of someone elses underpants is your business is if they're consenting to you removing said underpants.
That’s all very true but for some tans women who don’t fit the heteronormative definition of what a woman ‘should’ look like they get clocked and harassed by bigots. I have trans friends who totally pass and some who don’t. I have female cis friends who aren’t super feminine that also get harassed over it too. It’s all shitty. That said, seriously, thank you for being a decent person and not making other people’s identity a problem. I wish some of my coworkers would do the same.
I mean, "decent person" is a bit of a stretch for describing me, I'm just polite to strangers, but I appreciate the compliment all the same. I don't get how it's difficult to not harass people. Harassing people takes energy and effort, and who has the energy to spare for that? The bigots who harass people for not looking feminine enough must have really empty and sad lives.
Counterpoint, conservative men do that to everyone, even each other. It's a defining trait of the conservative movement to try and take away everyone's rights, to make sure they can't take away your rights. Leopards, know what I mean?
Yeah, but they're a lot more eager and willing to do a lot more to some people than others. A black trans woman deals with a lot more shit from them than a white male cop, ya know?
rubypilgrim
damn
sgnight13
Damn, conservative men want to do to trans women all the things I want to do to corporations
Renza0
dont they also do that to minorities and gays though? you know, basically everyone who isnt cis white christofascist males? or at least everyone who doesnt identify as one
CrimeSceneShoe
Arbitrarynamehere
This implies conservatives don't constantly jump at shadows and base their entire reactionary framework around imagined threats
TaiPan87
This is a tiring argument that will never be resolved. MAGA defines "real" as having the primary physical characteristics of a female at birth, versus the other side defining "real" as being a social construct and identity.
At its most reductionist, this is a grammar argument.
More to the point it's a distraction to keep both pots stirred. Release the Epstein files and stop trampling on the citizens.
southflhitnrun
Trans people deserve rights but this is literally how they treat everyone. There is nothing "special" about this treatment. It just belittles all the other people treated this way. Trans people, like all protected classes, deserve rights and protections from Conservatives.
skapanda616
ugopb4me
Yeah. Remember that bear in the woods thing?
TheGriffin
Nothing like gender affirming misogyny
sadurdaynight
Wafflesaur
They also judge them based largely on appearance
erinaceus
the simplest rule: just dont be a dick.
grandopening
My little sister's argument that trans women aren't "real" women? They can't bear children.
My reply? Then what are we?! You decided not to bear. I tried and failed twice.
So. You *COULD HAVE* born a child and didn't.
And I. I wanted to. I became pregnant, twice, and never bore a child.
If you don't *WANT* to be a woman? Fine.
But what does that make me?! What sex am **I**?!?!
Lappyrat92
You don’t even have to believe trans women are “real” women to not be an asshole about it. Even if you’re stuck at “this dude likes to put on a dress and act like a girl.” So fucking what? How is it harming other people? Like let people be happy about themselves.
merxman
Right?
MaybeIllDisappear
The amount of conservative men that hit on me online is disgusting.
Clockworkdancerobot
And then still masturbate to them. See: Alex Jones and many others.
anaberration
Okay, I admit it. I had to google cishet white men...
SalmonTheWise
I don't want to see Alex Jones doing that.
Clockworkdancerobot
Just know that he did. Seems more than a few of these far right anti-trans, Anti-LGBTQIA dipshits love to hate on people but secretly enjoy porn of them.
ButtBot9900
Anything other than a cishet white man is a porn category to them.
Its332amAndMyDogNeedsAWalk
Does anybody consider cishet white men to be a viable porn category?
akafluffy
They're props in quite a few categories of porn.
hwatL4bloopy
It should be. But tastefully to better realign the dudes watching porn.
Xen300
The majority of Terfs are left wing women though.
Subsound
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Khanamana324
No they fucking aren’t. They might say they’re feminists, but they’re not.
PennysWorthOfTea
You're the sort who thinks Nazis are "leftists", aren't you?
Xen300
That's a ridiculous suggestion. Most prominent Terfs however do consider themselves on the left. JK Rowling says she's a "left-leaning liberal who's fiercely anti-authoritarian". Julie Bindel, Helen Joyce, Joan Smith, Suzanne Moore and many others I could mention are all left-wing women.
SuperSaiyanYamcha
DeY wUR caLLed duh “sOsHiLizT JeRmaN PaRTy!”
The inevitable reply of any Nazi apologist.
Let’s see what version @Xen300 rolls with.
Xen300
Why would a Nazi apologist defend Nazis by saying they were socialist?
PostalHeathen
Conservative men are garbage.
anyamountofcheesebro
people*
Animorphs
I mean anyone of any gender who is conservative is. It is a failed ideology that is only hateful.
jrntn
I will never be able to fathom how generation after generation of conservatives manage to delude themselves that they will finally be the conservatives that turned out to be on the right side of history
SalmonTheWise
They think that previous generations of conservatives were on the right side of history and that people who were on the right side of history were conservative.
Animorphs
Terminal case of the dumbs I’m afraid.
morningxafter
Awmph
for real tho.
If you are nice when you do not have to be, you're probably decent.
even old man Kant noticed that if someone doesn't treat animals well they are unlikely to treat humans well.
The Golden Rule is an attitude
stoots24
And Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women!!!
Eldibs
I mean, I don't know that I've ever met a trans woman in real life, and I don't intend to find out because it's not my business. The only time the contents of someone elses underpants is your business is if they're consenting to you removing said underpants.
morningxafter
That’s all very true but for some tans women who don’t fit the heteronormative definition of what a woman ‘should’ look like they get clocked and harassed by bigots. I have trans friends who totally pass and some who don’t. I have female cis friends who aren’t super feminine that also get harassed over it too. It’s all shitty. That said, seriously, thank you for being a decent person and not making other people’s identity a problem. I wish some of my coworkers would do the same.
Eldibs
I mean, "decent person" is a bit of a stretch for describing me, I'm just polite to strangers, but I appreciate the compliment all the same. I don't get how it's difficult to not harass people. Harassing people takes energy and effort, and who has the energy to spare for that? The bigots who harass people for not looking feminine enough must have really empty and sad lives.
morningxafter
Well, that’s the world we live in now. Basic civility is rare enough that those who show it are deemed decent people.
nobodyspecial995
Counterpoint, conservative men do that to everyone, even each other. It's a defining trait of the conservative movement to try and take away everyone's rights, to make sure they can't take away your rights. Leopards, know what I mean?
PoliticalWanderer
Yeah, but they're a lot more eager and willing to do a lot more to some people than others. A black trans woman deals with a lot more shit from them than a white male cop, ya know?
Clockworkdancerobot
Point to counterpoint: They will still fantasize and masturbate to trans women.
nobodyspecial995
That's been proven time and time again. The more conservative the state, the more likely p***hub has them looking up trans stuff.
Darkwell
Not just trans: interracial and gay as well. The conservative states rank highest in porn consumption and hypocrisy.
morningxafter
Also the fact that Grindr gets overloaded and crashes whenever a CPAC or Carlie Kirk’s memorial comes to town.