Aug 23, 2017 3:18 PM
OldSchoolCoder
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melotprieks
lmfao
Colanah
Vikings traveled as far as Africa and brought back spouses. Seriously...they were all about open trading, if you know what I mean.
FinnViking
Skyrim belongs to the nords!!
CoolGuyCoolDude
For the empire!
PaganRaven
As a Norse pagan I second this. The All-father judges honor and there is no honor in mindless hate or attacking innocent people.
lokigodofchaos
bazookasoup
.... older futhrak... The people who believed in Odin used younger futhrak..
IronicUsername
After playing Hellblade recently, those symbols mostly just represent frustrating puzzles to me.
RoutemasterFlash
Scandinavia had switched over to the Younger Futhark by the start of the Viking age. This shows the Elder Futhark. Sorry to be a bore.
heyguyswait
You can have ownership of some of those. But I am not going to let ANYBODY claim squares and straight lines
aleister94
It's a square it's just placed diagonally here
alsoAzrael
They're mine and you can't have them.
PandaModeler
I claim curves on behalf of Sir Mix-Alot.
Imalwaysready
Euclideans for Peace!
BenSnow97
Isaz and Ingwaz have exactly as much right to exist as the letters I and O
Sauroctonus
As far as I'm concerned, it's stupid that English stopped using Eth and Thorn. If people need a money-related incentive, less to print!
And ðere's a little more room in ðese boxes for typing out our þoughts if we're cutting out ðose pesky "h"s!
BewareTheIceSpiders
BRB Im trademarking the circle.
KeeleonOhms
You know. For kids.
O fuck
GeneralBullshit
He just trademarked it and yu wrute the damn symbul, have yu lust yur mind?!
WhatsAJib
I have a big Mjölnir tattooed on my forearm. Someone told me they'd like something similar, but were afraid of being mislabeled as a racist
That's odd. If anything I think he'd be labeled as a geek instead
MealeaYing
Thats cause of those douchebag hammer skins. They think its theirs.
My friend got a rune tattoo based on the throwing runes. Turns out it is a popular Aryan Brotherhood tattoo.
ForestRed
Throwing runes? As in rune reading? New age thingy?
squirrellbot
Isn't the entire native population of Iceland traced to ten Irish wench slaves and the Vikings that kidnapped them? Or is that Greenland?
zzzaped
All Vikings on Greenland was killed by Inuits due to beeing dicks. In general the further west you got the bigger dicks the Vikings were.
Mostly due to the fact that the assholes were driven away due to beeing assholes.
luukzs666luukzs
it's iceland, and the preferred term is Gaelic wench
Sorry, much like LL cool J, I find myself an accidental racist sometimes.
Haha ll cool j is an accidental racist?
A song he did with a country artist, I don't remember the country artists name though.
Boopdog
Go full Tolkien. Whenever you see runes, start talking about Tengwar vs. Cirth vs. Adunaic until the Nazis realize you're calling them nerds
Exceloar
This is Elder Futhark. NOT USED BY VIKINGS. Consult the linguist Jackson Crawford (PhD Norse language) videos. Basically the Vikings (1/2)
A shorter alphabet that doesn't look good on tourist shirts called younger futhark w/ 16 letters.
There are several variants of the Younger Futhark. Some of them look very nice. others are boring.
SantaFarts
That triangle in the center is also a symbol of my fraternity, which also despises the Alt-Right with a bleeding passion.
BeardOnTheInside
THANK YOU! After learning about a hate group called "Soldiers of Odin" All I could think was "DAMNIT! I can't have anything these days!"
SuperheroNamedTony
They are runes/Norse symbols, why are everyone talking about the mythology?! This was the actual alphabet
(even though they were sometimes used religiously, but that's almost like saying Latin letters are christian? Or Arabic = Muslim letters?)
Tuomir
Well, some of it, but the valknut in the middle is sometimes associated with Odin.
Abearinthezoo
You can't fool me... that is dwarvish writing right there.
spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccee
Dwarvish = Elf runes (Cirth) = Tolkien adapted the Futhark.
rufalo
As an Icelander descended from vikings agree with this. Kill and enslave anyone regardless of rage or gender. Send them all to Valhöll
Wineoceros
I think you meant race, but I like rage better.
Me too, that sounds sort of badass.
HodorIsADJ
And definitely if they have Down's Syndrome!
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vidmagnuson
Says the rage baiting Internet troll.
ghantaman
To be fair I didn't think it would be this easy
I'm 194cm. Around 120kg. I asume I could trounce you like the weak willed manlet you are
TheSwedishStag
What a ride this thread is!
TheInfamousPenguin
"IM SO FULL OF RAAAAAGE!" - Irish man "Lets inslave that one" - Viking pointing at angry Irish man
kambojah
poor Irishmen, always getting under the hammer
Arnlaugur
By that logic Denmark is a part of nazi germany so basically Iceland = Nazi Germany
PrinzRheinfall
I think you mean Greenland. Iceland is Iceland. Home of The Mountain Vodka.
Niceland
Never recocnized you fleeing the crown post WWII renegade savages!
Iceman1996
Haha. Að þú skulir vera ætlast að þú sért afkomandi víkinga er svolítið heimskulegt. Víkingar voru ekki meirihlutinn af íslendingum.
DeadOnionSaysWhat
As someone who as explored old english/old german I'm frustrated that I feel I should be able to read what you wrote!
Bovisstercus
Allir Íslendingar eru að líkindum afkomendur víkinga. Genadreifing virkar þannig. Genghis Khan einn á t.d. tugi milljóna afkomenda.
Líklegra held ég er að fólkið hérna er af norrænum uppruna frá mörgum sviðum. Ekki að flestir eiga sögu að rekja til manna sem fór á víking.
Það er alveg rétt að yfirgnæfandi hluti forfeðra okkar voru ekki víkingar. Ég er bara að tala um líkindareikning.
Þótt einungis einn af hverjum 100 mönnum fóru í víking þá er engu að síður nánast óhjákvæmilegt að við séum öll afkomendur þeirra.
PapaTimDankopus
@OP okay now I need a viking raid on KKK meetings.
SapientPearwoodChest
skål!
Claystead
As a Scandinavian I support this. We can't even enjoy our traditional music online without Poles, Americans and whatnot telling us
to exterminate the Muslims or burning down Sweden for being cucks.
XenuPintrestWarrior
Im upvoting this, but i echo the sentiment above; once people give new meaning to anything, especially if it is grotesque, it sticks. Shitty
skipper2233
Personally, I'll curb stomp the Nazi fuckstain that perverts my beloved ancestry. I'll smile doin it to. For Valhalla!
ElPoloDiablo
If it makes you feel any better, your heritage is basically irrelevant since, assuming no inbreeding occurred (which it has), by 1020 1/2
you would have had over 2 billion descendants: http://dgmweb.net/Ancillary/OnE/NumberAncestors.html
I'm in. #Asatru
AbstractUser
As a fellow descendant I will join this cause
daimomusic
What about those of German heritage who wants to crotch stomp Nazi cuntstains
Somehow I think you get dibs along with a few other groups. Up with all nazi stompers!
Biteymcbiteface
Hey buddy, you might not be looking for bifröst, but as long as you are into stomping nazis you are welcome to join our leidang.
Verelse
Be sure to wear your Air Force ones
What?
"So I can get to stomping in my Air Force Ones"
GodEmperor0fMankind
Skål!
DougGlat
I'm in, I'll sharpen the axes
Lots43
Do you know about the Marvel Comics version of the Norse Gods? They're all about decency and honor and who you are on the inside.
temobuttdive
I'm also a descendant and I'll back you up in this battle. For Valhalla!!
PeteThePerv
Keep the bloodline pure, brother! Ideologically of course.
SvartTe
Well, you can start with the 'Soldiers of Odin'. Have fun, you'll be at it for a couple of years.
Fuck those fuckers.
No thanks, I don't want syphilis.
So either I wipe out a group of racist fucks perverting the name of Odin or I die in glorious combat and dont have to pay back student loans
Sounds like a win win to me.
bulbosos
oh shut up, you wouldn't do shit
WeaponizedJerk
Viking warriors fought to go TO Valhalla, not FOR Valhalla.
Or Folkvang. Valhall is just the "trendy" spot due to popular culture.
JamieSmyth
FOR Asgard is probablymore fitting...or simply FOR Odin is a good enough battle cry
Yep
2flower
Most historical pagans were extremely tolerant to all religions. Often times they'd see Christian god or Muslim one as just another deity.
It's funny how the one of the most ruthless empires, the Mongol empire, was founded by pagans. They were Tengriists, but religion >
< wasn't really an issue under Mongol rule. Many later Khans even became Muslims.
True, but they generally massacred for pragmatic reasons rather than out of hate. To instill fear, make people pay, make sure they pay again
The Mongol Horde, the world's biggest protection racket...
ArtArchive
Oh, silly Imgur. Trying to pretend that Vikings were noble people who stood up for the right thing.
I think it's more a case of making sure people don't tarnish the image of an entire culture spanning thousands of years.
knoldpold
Yeah, but then again, no culture in history did. They did what they could to better their own lives and fucked others over. Might was right.
eion85
Viking is a job title, not a demonym.
WuTangWookie
If you're looking for noble people who stand up for what's right in the history books, you're gonna have a bad time.
He didn't say he did
I've actually known some white supremacists who were into the norse religion because they thought it fit their views better.
In Norse mythology, everyone is a cunt. Us. The gods. The dwarfs. No one was better than anyone else.
Especially giants.
Hey, I'm not agreeing with them. Just saying what I saw. :)
Tbh, the norse religion(s) never really spoke for or against racism. So I guess they can fit it into their own interpretations.
Maraak
They spoke highly of hospitality, guestgiving and respect tho, so nazi pricks can get fucked in that regard.
I don't know, the amount of intermarriage between asir, jutanas, vanir, that atleast seems pretty pragmatic when it comes to new cultures.
Svartlebee
Well, the Norse were super big on fighting, masculine values and enslaving anyone who wasn't Norse
d0o0o0d
They were into enslaving whoever didn't die fighting. There were plenty of Norse who were thralls/serfs, basically slaves by modern def.
They thought it was more about strength and masculinity than other religions. They made little hammer necklaces. Not even kidding.
Sounds almost "cute". I guess not what they intended lol
It was kinda weird, tbh. I think they had been tired of Christianity for a while and latched on to "odinism" to feel more manly.
It's always fun when you remind them that Freya get half of the fallen heros
NexiKuro
I'm sure that they were all about strength and stuff but It's hard to believe anyone was as much into (male) masculinity as the Greeks.
Yeah, but they weren't exactly comfortable with how far the Greeks took that. :)
I don't think anyone was comfortable with how far the Greeks took that, unfortunately western culture has still been based on them for ages.
simplestrick
yourpalBuddyChrist
I'm wearing on right now lol
Buddy Christ accepts all religions!
That's why Buddy Christ is the best Christ!
Same
MissSiesta
I don't think nazism is compatible with norse mythology. Women have rights and power in this religion/culture.
daewookie
Hanna Reitsch
Didn't stop them from taking everything they liked, including iconography. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTCC-DGbhCg For more fun
itsaworkinprogress
But they did adopt Norse symbols and runes to use for their own fucked ideologies
totallynotaghost
It's not really the mythology, Norse runes are proto germanic symbols, they just took the meaning of the runes of my ancestors
schwiftyschwa
The racist assholes appropriated the rune for the letter O to use as a replacement swastika.
Justalobstercowboy
But the Nazis thought so
Nazi's were more conservative/Christian oriented I think, they only cared about vikings for the whole Aryan racial superiority thing.
NiskanensBureaucrats
No! There is good and there is bad! All Nazis where racist first, misogynistic second! The allied only wanted equality and love!!! Hssssss!!
Lazybones7
Que.
I'm saying the black/white dicotomy is dumbing down the debate. It's the road to violence and the ensurer of opression.
JoelConti
Actually, Nazism is built around the idea of a "Germanic cult" - Paganism was played a bit part in inspiring many aspects of Nazism.
Edit: Played a big part
TheosophicBlues
The vast majority of Nazis identified aa Christian. pagan and occult elements were pretty much Himmler's thing. Hitler himself disliked it.
Mouse1488
That's debatable, it is rumored that he had many occult influences. However he also spoke highly of the Christian God so who knows
Culturally they were very much following the classical christian traditions though; "women have to be modest wives and mothers" etc.
Eranju
Also, Valhalla. Æsir, Vala, Jötunn, Svartalfar and Ljósálfar all in one place, despite being at war with some of the races as a whole.
Plus these are also extremely important symbols in chaos magic as well, now because of nazis I can't wear my bind runs charms with pride
The issue is the racist assholes took the rune for the letter O to use as a replacement swastika.
Replied to wrong comment, fuck
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Most things aren't compatible with the ancient nords BECAUSE their women had rights and power
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
NORSE women had rights and power. Non-Norse women, not so much. Seems like the racial dynamic was pretty compatible.
Taxicat
More nationalist than racist, since the whole concept of race didn't exist yet. You could be "black" and be adopted into a 1/
Norse family and you'd have ALL the same rights because as far as they cared, you were officially Norse. 2/
So it'd be closer to "American Citizen vs Non-Citizen" conflict rather than racial. 3/
samanthajc
Women didn't have rights in nazi germany?
swedishmetalhead
Women had no rights anywhere in the world in the 1930-40s
yumyums
I'm wondering this too
Gerbils
A case of all bad things are the same, maybe?
CascadianTwilight
They were supposed to birth the master race and be housewives after the war. So, the plan was that they kind of wouldn't. It's complicated.
BanThisIfYouDare
No, they had not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Nazi_Germany
SmolTenk
they sure as hell tried...
diabeticiguana
Please elaborate
matiman
Himmler looked a lot into nordic mythology to build his propaganda. Also nordic and germanic medieval peoples have a lot in common 1/2
sauce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_(Germanic_Iron_Age)
the Swastika was a also a widly used symbol. Some say it could even be related to Thor or Odin. 2/2
PiggyWobbles
norse and germanic mythology was huge amongst the nazi elites. It had something to do with proving that they are ancestrally superior Idk
HowAboutThatUpdog
If I remember correctly Germans didn't think their northern counterparts were superior in any way.
Its a trip how much i learn from all of you
You know, except foreign women. They were to be raped and made into thralls or concubines.
True.
shrike
But only the sexy ones, that's why nordic women are so hot =)
VoidIncarnate
Technically Frey and Freya were not native to the Aesir, yet came to be of great importance to the pantheon.
Areswe
They taught valuable lessons too, such as "don't try and fight the primordial god of fire with a pair of bloody antlers"
Wait. So that's why the enemies in Surt's realm have antlers in Senua?
Given my incredible amount of experience in Senua (a whole 0 hours) Imma hazard a guess at "maybe. I'll let you know when I play it :D
jsktrogdor
"Thralls or concubines" is not the preferred nomenclature, dude. "Salt wives," please.
nilmm
PC Viking
Qaetan
Salt wives? Ive never heard that before.
MithridateEupator
GoT methinks
Doopapotamus
He's being silly. The term is taken from GoT for the not-Viking culture in the setting (who really want to go back to raping and pillaging).
Ah, gotcha; thank you. I didn't watch passed the first season (not my type of show).
Theres really no indication the Vikings were racists. They traded with Muslims and Native Americans. It's blasphemy when Nazis say otherwise
Napee
Infact, when Hitler and Co went to Iceland with high hopes for their ideal Master race they were disappointed. They thought they were dumb
Hitler & "Co" never visited Iceland? Stop this fake stuff man please. Stop.
Irreal
Well, the nazis seem to have had positive relations with the arabs. And for native americans it depended on the moion phase.
Well, they did call Native Americans "skraelings" which means "weak/feeble ones". But that was probably due to the Norsemen being larger.
"race" in the modern sense wasn't really even a concept then.
The term Viking just referred to anybody who sailed. Warriors, settlers, traders, they were all technically Vikings.
eyesoftheearth
Yes Nazis are horrid. So we're the Vikings. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/08/sorry-the-vikings-really-were-that-bad/
penguin1018
The nazis didn't really have an issue with Islam, ~100k Muslims from various countries served in the Wehrmacht and SS. Hitler also felt 1/2
that Islam suited Germany better than Christianity, which he felt was "flabby". Neo-nazis might have an aneurysm if you told them that. 2/2
Ezekiel117
or that say it was some Zionist, jew propaganda that the blacks want us to believe and tell us to do our own research like they did
DanFendi
LOL TIL something and got to imagine a neo-Nazi having an aneurysm.
HandsomeSwede
I'd also like a source for this!
See my reply to yourpalBuddyChrist.
I read somewhere that a lot of the Neo Nazis would have been sent to the camps had they been part of the Third Reich
Can I have a source on Hitler thought Islam was better for germany?
TristanBomb
I concur. While this seems nice to believe and not outside the realm of possibility, I'm not going to believe it on face value.
See my reply to yourpalBuddyChrist. It depends on the accuracy/honesty of Speers book. It'd be an odd thing for him to make up.
"Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs" by Albert Speer, Reich Minister for Armaments and War Production
"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice.. 1/3
freeemail02
any sources for more history behind this?i am very curious..
See my reply to yourpalBuddyChrist. There really isn't much to it beyond a quote from Albert Speer, Hitlers architect and arms minister.
Also Hitler and Himmler did meet with people like Amin al-Husseini, who would help the SS recruit Bosnian Muslims to fight in the east.
Y'all better work fast. Us Buddhists/Hindu/Sikhs ain't getting the swastika back any time fast.
damspam
I dunno, they were everywhere in certain parts of SW China I visited.
I think pretty much all of Asia from India and eastwards never associated the swastika with Naziism. It was already used every day there.
blackconfucius
And us Muslims ain't getting "Allahu Akbar" back at all
Moshugaani
Yeah, it's really tainted. I guess you could get arrested in a lot of places just saying it in public.
True. I live in China and I find funny how the Chinese are importing islamophobia nowadays
deathbycheese
you forgot us Native Americans used it also.
GiantBlueSpaceship
I have a swastika on a small idol of Ganesha, anyone who doesnt like it can get fucked
BaronSpaghetti
Irony. Carrying a Swastika (Swasti meaning "Health" in Hindi) is not very healthy.
solongfarewell16
Saw an old Hindu woman today with a swastika necklace and had to look up the meaning before jumping to conclusions...
zoomer296
It'd be kinda funny if aliens dropped by and they had swastikas on everything.
newsguycraigevans
Let it go, man, cause it's gone.
SemperFiZero
Exactly.
Vikings had variations of swastikas too
TojS
1 Fun fact, Sikhism actually does not hold any value in the swastika like that of the dharmic religions. Although many Sikhs do respect all
2 religious symbols in context to their respective religions.
khora
Well, you can blame us vikings (see belt in http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/30128.jpg )
Gover57
Yeah, I was a little taken aback the first time I visited my hindu in-laws house and they had Swastika and Vishnu banner over a doorway
Valarauko
You were taken aback your Hindu in laws had a Vishnu banner?
mostly that the swastikas were there. I'm white anglo-Canadian, not hindu or Indian, and wasn't aware it was their symbol before the nazis.
Out of curiosity, where do people think they come from? 'Swastika' & ' aryan' are Sanskrit terms.
Well personally, I just never knew, and never looked it up. It was like 15-16 years ago, and it wasn't something that I'd thought about
You gotta try, though.
Davadin
isn't Buddhist swastika and NAZI's opposite direction?
Common misconception. The non-Nazi swastika goes any orientation and can be flat or angled. No hard rules except due to local cultures.
mondeca
I'm so glad that people aren't Nazis about their swastikas.
MightyMoonworm
You deserve way more upvotes for that haha.
MantisTobagganMD
Oh you. You made me laugh this day.
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
my swastika statue has literally cock-blocked me due to this, it is not crooked, not mirrored and has an ohm symbol next to a hanuman statue
ThePastmaster
>_< Hindu...? o_O
Not necessarily but why do you have Issues with Hindus?
I don't. I was trying to remember where I heard the term before. :)
oh haha the >_< face threw me off
Out of curiosity, may I ask if you're white? I would have figured if you're not, people would give you the benefit of the doubt to explain?
i am half and half but am very light skinned to the point where you cannot tell I'm brown unless I'm next to my dad
I also have a ton of tattoos which doesnt help the case
You probably dodged a bullet if they wouldn't hear out your explanation AND you had an accompanying religious set-up.
good point, maybe hanuman was watching over me :-P
mormacil
Tengri, Balkan, swastika is a widely used symbol.
SecSantaThrowAway
Anglo Saxon paganism used them as well
spetcnaz
Old Armenian coins have them too
SirLyonhart
It means Thunder in several North American native traditions.
I forgot about that. Even the Finnish have it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force
Got a better one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Sv%C3%A4rd
zoeaW1ndXI
Third Reich too! It's everywhere!
canadianunicorn
Not for the same reason though....
Nordalin
They used it for its actual meaning, a symbol of the sun and good fortune.
Looking at the dates you might be wrong
DefinetlyNotARussianSpy
And we Romans won't get our saluto romano back anytime soon either
voguemouse
I'm glad for your misspelling of 'fascist,' because that probably means you aren't one.
Dakksys
He was talking about fasces, the root word of Fascist. He spelled it right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
krivtheshiv
Not gonna lie to ya man. That was preeeeetty bad
TheMovieGalaxyQuest
As far as I know, there is not a single source for it ever existing in ancient rome, except for a painting made 1500 years after its fall.
Omnipiff
AND MY AXE!1
titsnsplits
Preeeetty sure that was always synonymous with facisism.
vaxine19
Nice try Russian Spy!
Rexli78
The good news is the saluto romano is about as roman as Pizza.
That's a Renaissance symbol and there's no evidence of it in Rome. It was very popular in 20th century though.
ToastyBollocks
Huh. I remember hearing that the Augustus Primaporta statue stance was the progenitor of the salute but I guess that's wrong?
OldSchoolTimeTraveler
It could be a salute, could be pointing, or he could been holding something, we don't know.
Caphalor
Just wear your harnass and you'll be fine
Plumpiglet
You from Rome, Romania, or Italy? You gotta be more precise man.
ThatIrishLass
Could be Brittania, Iberia, or Gaul, too.
Terayon
Israel, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, etc etc etc
Face it, you are italians now and have conquered the world with exquisite food.
TimePressure
And a good deal of organized crime
Which makes for excellent, hopefully fictional movies.
Indeed. Plus, the italian Mafia launders millions in neighbouring countries like Germany, which is insanely beneficial for their economies.
And quite bad for the italians :/
iwearlittlesocks
And wine. Don't forget that wine
Oh god yes....
dingofdong
What about roads?
domenick91
As an Italian. The Chinese invented the noodle, but we perfected it.
YAY!!!
They invented noodle, not pasta!
Gaehhn
The italians invented pasta, but the Germans perfected it to Spätzle.
Either way, I'm thrilled!
AReallySneakyShoe
One might say you created the.. super noodle
The wonders of superfood!
KittenItaly
Didn't they also invent pizza? I mean you guys perfected that too... you just perfect everything.
I think that they did invent it, and then perfected it....
Pheralg
nope
SarcasticComment
In the West, but it is all over the place in the East. Koreans will continue to use this with 0 fucks given
RyInTheSky
I say we should let it rain swastikas.
inasexualway
Good for them.
BigStew83
Two straight Z's walk into a bar...
igivetheinternets
I played Ultima online and there was a Korean guild called KKK. King of Korean Killers. They pretended not to know the reference. Funny guys
phizatmatt
UO <3 miss my purple pot throwing macer. *you delivered a crushing blow!*
Sonoma and Siege Perilous here. Order of the Golden Dawn
I assume they kinda glad Hitler decided to mirror & rotate 45 degree.
Even if he didn't, doubtful they'd care. Japan was their evil, not germany
ladykimchi
Please note the nazis used the swastika but tilted it and made it "their symbol." It means means prosperity and good fortune....non-tilted
Arcian
There's also a symbolic difference between clockwise and counter-clockwise.
CNNBRFIINF
VexicalG
It's probably because they weren't involved in WW2 (Too my limited knowledge on the subject) so for that culture it doesn't have the same --
No, the manji has been around for ages, predating WW2. Has nothing to do with it.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the Manji as we know it is more associated with Nazism while the Koreans associate it with --
Religion.
Dark history during and after WW2
Korea suffered such terribleness under the Japanese like: having 32,000 girls stolen for sexual slavery.
Ah, fair enough. What about Germany's end though? That's where the hatred for the symbol comes from.
They have a terrible history with Japan, but isolated from Germany. Plus, it is doubtful a centuries old symbol would be rebranded in 1940s
Yeah, true. I just don't have much knowledge of WW2, so I thought they had not had much involvement in it.
It's because it's a religious symbol. Christians ain't giving up the cross just because some asshat used it as a symbol for their .gov
Improbabilitydrive42
Yeah, I saw them all over Buddhist temples there.
as they should be. Don't let cunts half the world away ruin a cultural symbol.
Ivain
agreed. also, note that it's placed horizontally, not diagonally.
And reversed
Actually, they probably give some fucks, since for them it can be a lucky/holy symbol.
I lived there for a year and Nazi's never came up in conversation, but hating on the Japanese is a national passtime.
That doesn't surprise me.
2/ To make it worse, Japan had crushed Korea in National futbol, so I went home and changed
I made the mistake of wearing a Japan Tsunami releaf shirt, with pic of japan on it, on Independence Day... i got a lot of shitty looks
Not the same anyway...
I know, but still funny when on an oven
Uh, no. Hindu swastikas (where the name comes from) are left turning.
I think the graphics are correct but the explanation is a bit off on it. Obviously the manji/swastika has the points facing left
and the nazi swastika have their point facing right. It's also angled unlike the manji. It's not as similar as people think.
*Sighs* You're partially right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauwastika
I have yet to notice a left facing swastika in India, and I live there. Both are swastikas, but the cultural tradition among Hindus is ...
ValhallaBackYall
Vikings don't see color. They're happy to inslave any race.
spattr
I always imagined Swedish dark beauties like Alicia Vikander or Christina Lindberg descend from Mediterranean slaves captured by Vikings.
PizzaSlutForever
What, like dogs?
HighlyInappropriateConversation
Hell yeah we are, baby!
Sephitian
So long as they're pretty.
ChronologicalMyopia
v
Long as they have pretty girls small enough to carry.
Gdeadman
Or young boys taken back and raised as labor
tremonti
This guy's probably enbread...
jensglyn101
Spelling. Enslave.
DoublevBomb
If you represent a worthwhile trade route, we'll consider negotiating rather than killing you for resources.
Calmeister
Only enslaved beautiful chicks thats why they have pretty kins
Norwegian here, can confirm, the only country of origin I lack a slave from is my own country. I got a big basement.
Slavery wasn't really about race until the Atlantic Slave Trade, and race was used as a justification.
StoChastic84
Don't forget rape and pillage. Happy to rape, pillage, and murder any race, any time. Don't care who, just love to rape, pillage, & murder.
lDesertVikingl
Gotta take time to appreciate the simple things.
GingerLaird
The only color vikings see is blood, everything else is a weird sin-city black & white.
ConfusedPenis
There's only one race.
DarthSedition
On earth there are 3. Casuals, console peasants, and the PC Masterrace.
You're godsdamned right
Korruptio
Vikings do see color, actually. Generally during and after a raid, primarily the colors of blood and flames
TimVette
http://imgur.com/FkHJyyy
mcgarry92
its like incest but slavery.. only family members.
theloneponderer
I hear they can be quite enthralling.
bluemeaniesarecoming
In through the outslave
SwedishBalls
And fuck any gender. But only one spouse.
MovieMoments
It may be that it's the middle of the night, but I'm working real hard to suppress laughter at the comment in conjecture with your user
rbudrick
Outslave.
ZippyYeti
Upvote for the name.
Thank you
MerToo
and take their stuffs. And screw the crap out of their women. They're equal opportunity pillagers, and I for one respect their PC values.
Ohhhlookaunicorneatingasamurai
Now hold on a cotton pickin' minute.
Machinister
DemoB0y
https://i.imgflip.com/tje8q.jpg
gegging
chaotic neutral
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Pretty sure attacking undefended villages, murdering monks and peasants, and taking slaves bumps you down from Neutral.
I think that would depend on the DM and the world they created. For instance, the Dothraki would be chaotic neutral. Slaver's bay would be
Oh no. I would definitely call the Dothraki evil. That was kind of the whole point of Miri Maz Duur showing how vile they truly are.
I would disagree. If that was her goal she failed spectacularly by harming the innocent victim that was Dany.
Righteous evil. The free cities slave owners would be neutral evil.
michealikruhara0110
Yeah, because the vikings were so respectful to everybody they met.
ThisIsTheLastTimeIChangeUsernamesIPromise
How would you respectfully enslave someone?
jogthejewelsquickly
Student loans
larsmaehlum
Bstone1
Take them as a wife.
You're thinking of christian marriage now
Nope still thinking of Viking marriage. Christianity doesn't remotely own the concept of marriage.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
IIRC the Anglo-Saxon word is "thrall." Which is why to he "enthralled" is to be enslaved an emotion.
ugh i remember thinking about the Chance to Fascinate roll you could get in AD&D if you were ridiculously comely. Fascination is not nice...
Anglo-Saxon ≠ Viking.
kaihp
The Danish & Norwegian word for a slave is "træl" - thrall.
Testiclees
While it is a Danish word for slave, it isn't really used. Instead we also use the word slave, though our pronunciation is different.
SteinarPatursson
Same with Norwegian. Iceland and the Faroes, on the other hand, use "Þræll" and "trælur", respectively
Skal vi til at slås om det? ;-) Men enig, træl er et gammelt ord som stort set ikke bruges længere.
BluBoxx
There were actually very famous black Vikings
causality
Source?
History. Thorhall, one of Eric the Red's chief officers was black.
I can't find any sources that say Thorhall Gamlason was black. Do you have some?
The Saga of Thorsfinn Karlsefni
*Black* Geirmundur Heljarskinn, name literally means skin the color of Hel. The predominant theory is that he wasn't black exactly, he was 1
4 which hasn't been translated into English, as far as I know.
He was called the black viking but a Mongolian person isn't what we'd today call "black"
If I remember correctly, didn't calling someone "black" in old Norse refer to their hair colour? Not specifically talking about >
3 her up. He actually became a very wealthy and successful settler. Anyway the only real book about him I know of is Den Svarte Vikingen
2 half-Mongolian. Seems like his dear old daddy raided the Mongolians took a slave woman and did what Vikings did to slave women and knocked
DamnumAbsqueInjuria
I mean, imagine having to sail all the way down to Africa every time you wanted slaves in that day and age. Can't be too picky.
BuffaloJuice
Especially with all those pelts and furs!
Misslnformation
Simple logistics
Benlivin91
Also, more convents. Easy picking from the women. Lol
killersoda275
Ye, the English can be a handfull to enslave, but it's a much shorter trip.
DeadlyEnzyme
its easy if you offer free wifi. they just kinda hand themselves over
iwillshitonyourvalues
That's why you just use the Irish.
MzPaige
Only if you want the Vikings to go bankrupt over Beer costs.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
The English originally I saved orthodox Christian's too. Africans aren't special because they were enslaved, but because of how inhumanly...
DarkCrawler901
Viking slavery was also very different from chattel slavery.
Yes
...they were treated in a relatively modern time.
Fun Fact: Vikings got as far as Africa.
SomethingWittyIDK
I mean, they had a thriving trade with the middle East, and look up the Halfdan runes in the Hagia Sophia
This map seems to overlook the time some Vikings besieged Constantinople for funzies.
Everything Vikings did was for funsies.
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
That's where they got the 13th Viking.
Lowjob
They also worked as elite soldiers in Miklagard (Istanbul)
As the Varangian Guard (I think that's the spelling)
BitchesLoveBoba
Huh, I knew the Varangians from DS2 were based Vikings, but not as deep as that.
5555252545
Point to note here is that they dint enlave Iraq.
FastSquirt
If they had known about your oil. You would have been sacked.
snackmanistan
What does that have to do with anything?
capnsebastian
i read that some of the old Nords even got as far as the Americas and back
DagMorn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows that one of the oldest viking settlement in north America
yeah on the cost of Newfoundland. they're actually the first to land in America way before Columbus.
stormegedendarklordofall
Columbus didn't land in any part of the United States
tarrbot
magicflying
Enslave.
megfc
El Guapo is not just famous, he's IN-famous!
Generallydontcare
Dont be a slave to grammar
TheDairyPope
Or... dare I say it? A word nazi.
LibrarianGrammarNazi
I support this post.
KarateCanine
Beat me to it
You need to whip it in gear.
Inslave is more inclusive.
VoIdemort
Inslav
Nocturner
This is thread against nazi. Even grammar nazi.
FloppyAnomaly
Enchilada
BlueManticore
Looks like we have a NAZI IN OUR MIDST!
burningredltd11
Enslave shreds!!!
GUVMENTCHEEZE63
No I'm sure he meant intercourse with a slave
koontruffle
Either.
strengtg
I mean, when you enslave people you choose how things are spelled for then on.
It worked for Jefferson.
I can't imagine slave owners have historically been too worried about not interbreeding. See: American south.
CornHuskerTexan
It's all relative in West Virginia
RaynWisp
Hey, you leave Uncle Mom and Aunt Dad alone!
lcplspanky
I got some bad news: uncle mom is also your brother, from when aunt dad cheated on sister mom with great aunt grandma
TeamNegan
enclave
OctopusOccult
Top geck
PleasantlyAmused
entrée
The enclave really makes FO3 different than FO4 and FNV
vitfall
Horrigan.
tehzpoon
Yeah, those guys are pretty bad too. They have great vertibirds, though
ZOMGNO
I came back after reading "Enslave" and clicking next.... thinking to myself... bet you the next comment is "Enclave"....
kmikl
Batcave.
pookieeatworld
Vagina.
TheRealEdwardRooney
Manslave
ISayFuckAllTheTime
Wood lathe
entendre
TerranEarthling
Ententé
WillMcMahon
Maybe it's maybeline
D'Andre
melotprieks
lmfao
Colanah
Vikings traveled as far as Africa and brought back spouses. Seriously...they were all about open trading, if you know what I mean.
FinnViking
Skyrim belongs to the nords!!
CoolGuyCoolDude
For the empire!
PaganRaven
As a Norse pagan I second this. The All-father judges honor and there is no honor in mindless hate or attacking innocent people.
lokigodofchaos
bazookasoup
.... older futhrak... The people who believed in Odin used younger futhrak..
IronicUsername
After playing Hellblade recently, those symbols mostly just represent frustrating puzzles to me.
RoutemasterFlash
Scandinavia had switched over to the Younger Futhark by the start of the Viking age. This shows the Elder Futhark. Sorry to be a bore.
heyguyswait
You can have ownership of some of those. But I am not going to let ANYBODY claim squares and straight lines
aleister94
It's a square it's just placed diagonally here
alsoAzrael
They're mine and you can't have them.
PandaModeler
I claim curves on behalf of Sir Mix-Alot.
Imalwaysready
Euclideans for Peace!
BenSnow97
Isaz and Ingwaz have exactly as much right to exist as the letters I and O
Sauroctonus
As far as I'm concerned, it's stupid that English stopped using Eth and Thorn. If people need a money-related incentive, less to print!
Sauroctonus
And ðere's a little more room in ðese boxes for typing out our þoughts if we're cutting out ðose pesky "h"s!
BewareTheIceSpiders
BRB Im trademarking the circle.
KeeleonOhms
You know. For kids.
BenSnow97
O fuck
GeneralBullshit
He just trademarked it and yu wrute the damn symbul, have yu lust yur mind?!
WhatsAJib
I have a big Mjölnir tattooed on my forearm. Someone told me they'd like something similar, but were afraid of being mislabeled as a racist
CoolGuyCoolDude
That's odd. If anything I think he'd be labeled as a geek instead
MealeaYing
Thats cause of those douchebag hammer skins. They think its theirs.
lokigodofchaos
My friend got a rune tattoo based on the throwing runes. Turns out it is a popular Aryan Brotherhood tattoo.
ForestRed
Throwing runes? As in rune reading? New age thingy?
squirrellbot
Isn't the entire native population of Iceland traced to ten Irish wench slaves and the Vikings that kidnapped them? Or is that Greenland?
zzzaped
All Vikings on Greenland was killed by Inuits due to beeing dicks. In general the further west you got the bigger dicks the Vikings were.
zzzaped
Mostly due to the fact that the assholes were driven away due to beeing assholes.
luukzs666luukzs
it's iceland, and the preferred term is Gaelic wench
squirrellbot
Sorry, much like LL cool J, I find myself an accidental racist sometimes.
PandaModeler
Haha ll cool j is an accidental racist?
squirrellbot
A song he did with a country artist, I don't remember the country artists name though.
Boopdog
Go full Tolkien. Whenever you see runes, start talking about Tengwar vs. Cirth vs. Adunaic until the Nazis realize you're calling them nerds
Exceloar
This is Elder Futhark. NOT USED BY VIKINGS. Consult the linguist Jackson Crawford (PhD Norse language) videos. Basically the Vikings (1/2)
Exceloar
A shorter alphabet that doesn't look good on tourist shirts called younger futhark w/ 16 letters.
ForestRed
There are several variants of the Younger Futhark. Some of them look very nice. others are boring.
SantaFarts
That triangle in the center is also a symbol of my fraternity, which also despises the Alt-Right with a bleeding passion.
BeardOnTheInside
THANK YOU! After learning about a hate group called "Soldiers of Odin" All I could think was "DAMNIT! I can't have anything these days!"
SuperheroNamedTony
They are runes/Norse symbols, why are everyone talking about the mythology?! This was the actual alphabet
SuperheroNamedTony
(even though they were sometimes used religiously, but that's almost like saying Latin letters are christian? Or Arabic = Muslim letters?)
Tuomir
Well, some of it, but the valknut in the middle is sometimes associated with Odin.
Abearinthezoo
You can't fool me... that is dwarvish writing right there.
spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccee
Dwarvish = Elf runes (Cirth) = Tolkien adapted the Futhark.
rufalo
As an Icelander descended from vikings agree with this. Kill and enslave anyone regardless of rage or gender. Send them all to Valhöll
Wineoceros
I think you meant race, but I like rage better.
MealeaYing
Me too, that sounds sort of badass.
HodorIsADJ
And definitely if they have Down's Syndrome!
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vidmagnuson
Says the rage baiting Internet troll.
ghantaman
To be fair I didn't think it would be this easy
rufalo
I'm 194cm. Around 120kg. I asume I could trounce you like the weak willed manlet you are
ghantaman
TheSwedishStag
What a ride this thread is!
TheInfamousPenguin
"IM SO FULL OF RAAAAAGE!" - Irish man "Lets inslave that one" - Viking pointing at angry Irish man
kambojah
poor Irishmen, always getting under the hammer
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Arnlaugur
By that logic Denmark is a part of nazi germany so basically Iceland = Nazi Germany
PrinzRheinfall
I think you mean Greenland. Iceland is Iceland. Home of The Mountain Vodka.
Niceland
Never recocnized you fleeing the crown post WWII renegade savages!
Iceman1996
Haha. Að þú skulir vera ætlast að þú sért afkomandi víkinga er svolítið heimskulegt. Víkingar voru ekki meirihlutinn af íslendingum.
DeadOnionSaysWhat
As someone who as explored old english/old german I'm frustrated that I feel I should be able to read what you wrote!
Bovisstercus
Allir Íslendingar eru að líkindum afkomendur víkinga. Genadreifing virkar þannig. Genghis Khan einn á t.d. tugi milljóna afkomenda.
Iceman1996
Líklegra held ég er að fólkið hérna er af norrænum uppruna frá mörgum sviðum. Ekki að flestir eiga sögu að rekja til manna sem fór á víking.
Bovisstercus
Það er alveg rétt að yfirgnæfandi hluti forfeðra okkar voru ekki víkingar. Ég er bara að tala um líkindareikning.
Bovisstercus
Þótt einungis einn af hverjum 100 mönnum fóru í víking þá er engu að síður nánast óhjákvæmilegt að við séum öll afkomendur þeirra.
PapaTimDankopus
@OP okay now I need a viking raid on KKK meetings.
SapientPearwoodChest
skål!
Claystead
As a Scandinavian I support this. We can't even enjoy our traditional music online without Poles, Americans and whatnot telling us
Claystead
to exterminate the Muslims or burning down Sweden for being cucks.
XenuPintrestWarrior
Im upvoting this, but i echo the sentiment above; once people give new meaning to anything, especially if it is grotesque, it sticks. Shitty
skipper2233
Personally, I'll curb stomp the Nazi fuckstain that perverts my beloved ancestry. I'll smile doin it to. For Valhalla!
ElPoloDiablo
If it makes you feel any better, your heritage is basically irrelevant since, assuming no inbreeding occurred (which it has), by 1020 1/2
ElPoloDiablo
you would have had over 2 billion descendants: http://dgmweb.net/Ancillary/OnE/NumberAncestors.html
vidmagnuson
I'm in. #Asatru
AbstractUser
As a fellow descendant I will join this cause
daimomusic
What about those of German heritage who wants to crotch stomp Nazi cuntstains
MealeaYing
Somehow I think you get dibs along with a few other groups. Up with all nazi stompers!
Biteymcbiteface
Hey buddy, you might not be looking for bifröst, but as long as you are into stomping nazis you are welcome to join our leidang.
Verelse
Be sure to wear your Air Force ones
Biteymcbiteface
What?
Verelse
"So I can get to stomping in my Air Force Ones"
GodEmperor0fMankind
Skål!
DougGlat
I'm in, I'll sharpen the axes
Lots43
Do you know about the Marvel Comics version of the Norse Gods? They're all about decency and honor and who you are on the inside.
temobuttdive
I'm also a descendant and I'll back you up in this battle. For Valhalla!!
PeteThePerv
Keep the bloodline pure, brother! Ideologically of course.
SvartTe
Well, you can start with the 'Soldiers of Odin'. Have fun, you'll be at it for a couple of years.
Biteymcbiteface
Fuck those fuckers.
SvartTe
No thanks, I don't want syphilis.
GodEmperor0fMankind
So either I wipe out a group of racist fucks perverting the name of Odin or I die in glorious combat and dont have to pay back student loans
GodEmperor0fMankind
Sounds like a win win to me.
bulbosos
oh shut up, you wouldn't do shit
WeaponizedJerk
Viking warriors fought to go TO Valhalla, not FOR Valhalla.
ForestRed
Or Folkvang. Valhall is just the "trendy" spot due to popular culture.
JamieSmyth
FOR Asgard is probablymore fitting...or simply FOR Odin is a good enough battle cry
WeaponizedJerk
Yep
2flower
Most historical pagans were extremely tolerant to all religions. Often times they'd see Christian god or Muslim one as just another deity.
Sauroctonus
It's funny how the one of the most ruthless empires, the Mongol empire, was founded by pagans. They were Tengriists, but religion >
Sauroctonus
< wasn't really an issue under Mongol rule. Many later Khans even became Muslims.
2flower
True, but they generally massacred for pragmatic reasons rather than out of hate. To instill fear, make people pay, make sure they pay again
Sauroctonus
The Mongol Horde, the world's biggest protection racket...
ArtArchive
Oh, silly Imgur. Trying to pretend that Vikings were noble people who stood up for the right thing.
Sauroctonus
I think it's more a case of making sure people don't tarnish the image of an entire culture spanning thousands of years.
knoldpold
Yeah, but then again, no culture in history did. They did what they could to better their own lives and fucked others over. Might was right.
eion85
Viking is a job title, not a demonym.
WuTangWookie
If you're looking for noble people who stand up for what's right in the history books, you're gonna have a bad time.
CoolGuyCoolDude
He didn't say he did
alsoAzrael
I've actually known some white supremacists who were into the norse religion because they thought it fit their views better.
skipper2233
In Norse mythology, everyone is a cunt. Us. The gods. The dwarfs. No one was better than anyone else.
GodEmperor0fMankind
Especially giants.
alsoAzrael
Hey, I'm not agreeing with them. Just saying what I saw. :)
OldSchoolCoder
Tbh, the norse religion(s) never really spoke for or against racism. So I guess they can fit it into their own interpretations.
Maraak
They spoke highly of hospitality, guestgiving and respect tho, so nazi pricks can get fucked in that regard.
Biteymcbiteface
I don't know, the amount of intermarriage between asir, jutanas, vanir, that atleast seems pretty pragmatic when it comes to new cultures.
Svartlebee
Well, the Norse were super big on fighting, masculine values and enslaving anyone who wasn't Norse
d0o0o0d
They were into enslaving whoever didn't die fighting. There were plenty of Norse who were thralls/serfs, basically slaves by modern def.
alsoAzrael
They thought it was more about strength and masculinity than other religions. They made little hammer necklaces. Not even kidding.
OldSchoolCoder
Sounds almost "cute". I guess not what they intended lol
alsoAzrael
It was kinda weird, tbh. I think they had been tired of Christianity for a while and latched on to "odinism" to feel more manly.
Biteymcbiteface
It's always fun when you remind them that Freya get half of the fallen heros
NexiKuro
I'm sure that they were all about strength and stuff but It's hard to believe anyone was as much into (male) masculinity as the Greeks.
alsoAzrael
Yeah, but they weren't exactly comfortable with how far the Greeks took that. :)
NexiKuro
I don't think anyone was comfortable with how far the Greeks took that, unfortunately western culture has still been based on them for ages.
simplestrick
yourpalBuddyChrist
I'm wearing on right now lol
alsoAzrael
Buddy Christ accepts all religions!
yourpalBuddyChrist
That's why Buddy Christ is the best Christ!
GodEmperor0fMankind
Same
MissSiesta
I don't think nazism is compatible with norse mythology. Women have rights and power in this religion/culture.
daewookie
Hanna Reitsch
SvartTe
Didn't stop them from taking everything they liked, including iconography. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTCC-DGbhCg For more fun
itsaworkinprogress
But they did adopt Norse symbols and runes to use for their own fucked ideologies
totallynotaghost
It's not really the mythology, Norse runes are proto germanic symbols, they just took the meaning of the runes of my ancestors
schwiftyschwa
The racist assholes appropriated the rune for the letter O to use as a replacement swastika.
Justalobstercowboy
But the Nazis thought so
NexiKuro
Nazi's were more conservative/Christian oriented I think, they only cared about vikings for the whole Aryan racial superiority thing.
NiskanensBureaucrats
No! There is good and there is bad! All Nazis where racist first, misogynistic second! The allied only wanted equality and love!!! Hssssss!!
Lazybones7
Que.
NiskanensBureaucrats
I'm saying the black/white dicotomy is dumbing down the debate. It's the road to violence and the ensurer of opression.
JoelConti
Actually, Nazism is built around the idea of a "Germanic cult" - Paganism was played a bit part in inspiring many aspects of Nazism.
JoelConti
Edit: Played a big part
TheosophicBlues
The vast majority of Nazis identified aa Christian. pagan and occult elements were pretty much Himmler's thing. Hitler himself disliked it.
Mouse1488
That's debatable, it is rumored that he had many occult influences. However he also spoke highly of the Christian God so who knows
NexiKuro
Culturally they were very much following the classical christian traditions though; "women have to be modest wives and mothers" etc.
Eranju
Also, Valhalla. Æsir, Vala, Jötunn, Svartalfar and Ljósálfar all in one place, despite being at war with some of the races as a whole.
aleister94
Plus these are also extremely important symbols in chaos magic as well, now because of nazis I can't wear my bind runs charms with pride
schwiftyschwa
The issue is the racist assholes took the rune for the letter O to use as a replacement swastika.
schwiftyschwa
Replied to wrong comment, fuck
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Most things aren't compatible with the ancient nords BECAUSE their women had rights and power
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
NORSE women had rights and power. Non-Norse women, not so much. Seems like the racial dynamic was pretty compatible.
Taxicat
More nationalist than racist, since the whole concept of race didn't exist yet. You could be "black" and be adopted into a 1/
Taxicat
Norse family and you'd have ALL the same rights because as far as they cared, you were officially Norse. 2/
Taxicat
So it'd be closer to "American Citizen vs Non-Citizen" conflict rather than racial. 3/
samanthajc
Women didn't have rights in nazi germany?
swedishmetalhead
Women had no rights anywhere in the world in the 1930-40s
yumyums
I'm wondering this too
Gerbils
A case of all bad things are the same, maybe?
CascadianTwilight
They were supposed to birth the master race and be housewives after the war. So, the plan was that they kind of wouldn't. It's complicated.
BanThisIfYouDare
No, they had not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Nazi_Germany
SmolTenk
they sure as hell tried...
diabeticiguana
Please elaborate
matiman
Himmler looked a lot into nordic mythology to build his propaganda. Also nordic and germanic medieval peoples have a lot in common 1/2
matiman
sauce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_(Germanic_Iron_Age)
matiman
the Swastika was a also a widly used symbol. Some say it could even be related to Thor or Odin. 2/2
PiggyWobbles
norse and germanic mythology was huge amongst the nazi elites. It had something to do with proving that they are ancestrally superior Idk
HowAboutThatUpdog
If I remember correctly Germans didn't think their northern counterparts were superior in any way.
diabeticiguana
Its a trip how much i learn from all of you
Svartlebee
You know, except foreign women. They were to be raped and made into thralls or concubines.
MissSiesta
True.
shrike
But only the sexy ones, that's why nordic women are so hot =)
VoidIncarnate
Technically Frey and Freya were not native to the Aesir, yet came to be of great importance to the pantheon.
Areswe
They taught valuable lessons too, such as "don't try and fight the primordial god of fire with a pair of bloody antlers"
VoidIncarnate
Wait. So that's why the enemies in Surt's realm have antlers in Senua?
Areswe
Given my incredible amount of experience in Senua (a whole 0 hours) Imma hazard a guess at "maybe. I'll let you know when I play it :D
jsktrogdor
"Thralls or concubines" is not the preferred nomenclature, dude. "Salt wives," please.
nilmm
PC Viking
Qaetan
Salt wives? Ive never heard that before.
MithridateEupator
GoT methinks
Doopapotamus
He's being silly. The term is taken from GoT for the not-Viking culture in the setting (who really want to go back to raping and pillaging).
Qaetan
Ah, gotcha; thank you. I didn't watch passed the first season (not my type of show).
yourpalBuddyChrist
Theres really no indication the Vikings were racists. They traded with Muslims and Native Americans. It's blasphemy when Nazis say otherwise
Napee
Infact, when Hitler and Co went to Iceland with high hopes for their ideal Master race they were disappointed. They thought they were dumb
Iceman1996
Hitler & "Co" never visited Iceland? Stop this fake stuff man please. Stop.
Irreal
Well, the nazis seem to have had positive relations with the arabs. And for native americans it depended on the moion phase.
ForestRed
Well, they did call Native Americans "skraelings" which means "weak/feeble ones". But that was probably due to the Norsemen being larger.
Boopdog
"race" in the modern sense wasn't really even a concept then.
GodEmperor0fMankind
The term Viking just referred to anybody who sailed. Warriors, settlers, traders, they were all technically Vikings.
eyesoftheearth
Yes Nazis are horrid. So we're the Vikings. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/08/sorry-the-vikings-really-were-that-bad/
penguin1018
The nazis didn't really have an issue with Islam, ~100k Muslims from various countries served in the Wehrmacht and SS. Hitler also felt 1/2
penguin1018
that Islam suited Germany better than Christianity, which he felt was "flabby". Neo-nazis might have an aneurysm if you told them that. 2/2
Ezekiel117
or that say it was some Zionist, jew propaganda that the blacks want us to believe and tell us to do our own research like they did
DanFendi
LOL TIL something and got to imagine a neo-Nazi having an aneurysm.
HandsomeSwede
I'd also like a source for this!
penguin1018
See my reply to yourpalBuddyChrist.
zzzaped
I read somewhere that a lot of the Neo Nazis would have been sent to the camps had they been part of the Third Reich
yourpalBuddyChrist
Can I have a source on Hitler thought Islam was better for germany?
TristanBomb
I concur. While this seems nice to believe and not outside the realm of possibility, I'm not going to believe it on face value.
penguin1018
See my reply to yourpalBuddyChrist. It depends on the accuracy/honesty of Speers book. It'd be an odd thing for him to make up.
penguin1018
"Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs" by Albert Speer, Reich Minister for Armaments and War Production
penguin1018
"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice.. 1/3
freeemail02
any sources for more history behind this?i am very curious..
penguin1018
See my reply to yourpalBuddyChrist. There really isn't much to it beyond a quote from Albert Speer, Hitlers architect and arms minister.
penguin1018
Also Hitler and Himmler did meet with people like Amin al-Husseini, who would help the SS recruit Bosnian Muslims to fight in the east.
Doopapotamus
Y'all better work fast. Us Buddhists/Hindu/Sikhs ain't getting the swastika back any time fast.
damspam
I dunno, they were everywhere in certain parts of SW China I visited.
Sauroctonus
I think pretty much all of Asia from India and eastwards never associated the swastika with Naziism. It was already used every day there.
blackconfucius
And us Muslims ain't getting "Allahu Akbar" back at all
Moshugaani
Yeah, it's really tainted. I guess you could get arrested in a lot of places just saying it in public.
blackconfucius
True. I live in China and I find funny how the Chinese are importing islamophobia nowadays
deathbycheese
you forgot us Native Americans used it also.
GiantBlueSpaceship
I have a swastika on a small idol of Ganesha, anyone who doesnt like it can get fucked
BaronSpaghetti
Irony. Carrying a Swastika (Swasti meaning "Health" in Hindi) is not very healthy.
solongfarewell16
Saw an old Hindu woman today with a swastika necklace and had to look up the meaning before jumping to conclusions...
zoomer296
It'd be kinda funny if aliens dropped by and they had swastikas on everything.
newsguycraigevans
Let it go, man, cause it's gone.
SemperFiZero
Exactly.
temobuttdive
Vikings had variations of swastikas too
TojS
1 Fun fact, Sikhism actually does not hold any value in the swastika like that of the dharmic religions. Although many Sikhs do respect all
TojS
2 religious symbols in context to their respective religions.
khora
Well, you can blame us vikings (see belt in http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/30128.jpg )
Gover57
Yeah, I was a little taken aback the first time I visited my hindu in-laws house and they had Swastika and Vishnu banner over a doorway
Valarauko
You were taken aback your Hindu in laws had a Vishnu banner?
Gover57
mostly that the swastikas were there. I'm white anglo-Canadian, not hindu or Indian, and wasn't aware it was their symbol before the nazis.
Valarauko
Out of curiosity, where do people think they come from? 'Swastika' & ' aryan' are Sanskrit terms.
Gover57
Well personally, I just never knew, and never looked it up. It was like 15-16 years ago, and it wasn't something that I'd thought about
Sauroctonus
You gotta try, though.
Davadin
isn't Buddhist swastika and NAZI's opposite direction?
Doopapotamus
Common misconception. The non-Nazi swastika goes any orientation and can be flat or angled. No hard rules except due to local cultures.
mondeca
I'm so glad that people aren't Nazis about their swastikas.
MightyMoonworm
You deserve way more upvotes for that haha.
MantisTobagganMD
Oh you. You made me laugh this day.
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
my swastika statue has literally cock-blocked me due to this, it is not crooked, not mirrored and has an ohm symbol next to a hanuman statue
ThePastmaster
>_< Hindu...? o_O
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
Not necessarily but why do you have Issues with Hindus?
ThePastmaster
I don't. I was trying to remember where I heard the term before. :)
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
oh haha the >_< face threw me off
Doopapotamus
Out of curiosity, may I ask if you're white? I would have figured if you're not, people would give you the benefit of the doubt to explain?
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
i am half and half but am very light skinned to the point where you cannot tell I'm brown unless I'm next to my dad
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
I also have a ton of tattoos which doesnt help the case
Doopapotamus
You probably dodged a bullet if they wouldn't hear out your explanation AND you had an accompanying religious set-up.
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
good point, maybe hanuman was watching over me :-P
mormacil
Tengri, Balkan, swastika is a widely used symbol.
SecSantaThrowAway
Anglo Saxon paganism used them as well
spetcnaz
Old Armenian coins have them too
SirLyonhart
It means Thunder in several North American native traditions.
Doopapotamus
I forgot about that. Even the Finnish have it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force
ThePastmaster
Got a better one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Sv%C3%A4rd
zoeaW1ndXI
Third Reich too! It's everywhere!
canadianunicorn
Not for the same reason though....
Nordalin
They used it for its actual meaning, a symbol of the sun and good fortune.
canadianunicorn
Looking at the dates you might be wrong
DefinetlyNotARussianSpy
And we Romans won't get our saluto romano back anytime soon either
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voguemouse
I'm glad for your misspelling of 'fascist,' because that probably means you aren't one.
Dakksys
He was talking about fasces, the root word of Fascist. He spelled it right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
krivtheshiv
Not gonna lie to ya man. That was preeeeetty bad
TheMovieGalaxyQuest
As far as I know, there is not a single source for it ever existing in ancient rome, except for a painting made 1500 years after its fall.
Omnipiff
AND MY AXE!1
titsnsplits
Preeeetty sure that was always synonymous with facisism.
vaxine19
Nice try Russian Spy!
Rexli78
The good news is the saluto romano is about as roman as Pizza.
ElPoloDiablo
That's a Renaissance symbol and there's no evidence of it in Rome. It was very popular in 20th century though.
ToastyBollocks
Huh. I remember hearing that the Augustus Primaporta statue stance was the progenitor of the salute but I guess that's wrong?
OldSchoolTimeTraveler
It could be a salute, could be pointing, or he could been holding something, we don't know.
Caphalor
Just wear your harnass and you'll be fine
Plumpiglet
You from Rome, Romania, or Italy? You gotta be more precise man.
ThatIrishLass
Could be Brittania, Iberia, or Gaul, too.
Terayon
Israel, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, etc etc etc
MealeaYing
Face it, you are italians now and have conquered the world with exquisite food.
TimePressure
And a good deal of organized crime
MealeaYing
Which makes for excellent, hopefully fictional movies.
TimePressure
Indeed. Plus, the italian Mafia launders millions in neighbouring countries like Germany, which is insanely beneficial for their economies.
TimePressure
And quite bad for the italians :/
iwearlittlesocks
And wine. Don't forget that wine
MealeaYing
Oh god yes....
dingofdong
What about roads?
domenick91
As an Italian. The Chinese invented the noodle, but we perfected it.
MealeaYing
YAY!!!
canadianunicorn
They invented noodle, not pasta!
Gaehhn
The italians invented pasta, but the Germans perfected it to Spätzle.
MealeaYing
Either way, I'm thrilled!
AReallySneakyShoe
One might say you created the.. super noodle
MealeaYing
The wonders of superfood!
KittenItaly
Didn't they also invent pizza? I mean you guys perfected that too... you just perfect everything.
MealeaYing
I think that they did invent it, and then perfected it....
Pheralg
nope
SarcasticComment
In the West, but it is all over the place in the East. Koreans will continue to use this with 0 fucks given
RyInTheSky
I say we should let it rain swastikas.
inasexualway
Good for them.
BigStew83
Two straight Z's walk into a bar...
igivetheinternets
I played Ultima online and there was a Korean guild called KKK. King of Korean Killers. They pretended not to know the reference. Funny guys
phizatmatt
UO <3 miss my purple pot throwing macer. *you delivered a crushing blow!*
igivetheinternets
Sonoma and Siege Perilous here. Order of the Golden Dawn
freeemail02
I assume they kinda glad Hitler decided to mirror & rotate 45 degree.
SarcasticComment
Even if he didn't, doubtful they'd care. Japan was their evil, not germany
ladykimchi
Please note the nazis used the swastika but tilted it and made it "their symbol." It means means prosperity and good fortune....non-tilted
Arcian
There's also a symbolic difference between clockwise and counter-clockwise.
CNNBRFIINF
VexicalG
It's probably because they weren't involved in WW2 (Too my limited knowledge on the subject) so for that culture it doesn't have the same --
CNNBRFIINF
No, the manji has been around for ages, predating WW2. Has nothing to do with it.
VexicalG
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the Manji as we know it is more associated with Nazism while the Koreans associate it with --
VexicalG
Religion.
VexicalG
Dark history during and after WW2
SarcasticComment
Korea suffered such terribleness under the Japanese like: having 32,000 girls stolen for sexual slavery.
VexicalG
Ah, fair enough. What about Germany's end though? That's where the hatred for the symbol comes from.
SarcasticComment
They have a terrible history with Japan, but isolated from Germany. Plus, it is doubtful a centuries old symbol would be rebranded in 1940s
VexicalG
Yeah, true. I just don't have much knowledge of WW2, so I thought they had not had much involvement in it.
Dakksys
It's because it's a religious symbol. Christians ain't giving up the cross just because some asshat used it as a symbol for their .gov
Improbabilitydrive42
Yeah, I saw them all over Buddhist temples there.
SarcasticComment
as they should be. Don't let cunts half the world away ruin a cultural symbol.
Ivain
agreed. also, note that it's placed horizontally, not diagonally.
CNNBRFIINF
And reversed
Sauroctonus
Actually, they probably give some fucks, since for them it can be a lucky/holy symbol.
SarcasticComment
I lived there for a year and Nazi's never came up in conversation, but hating on the Japanese is a national passtime.
Sauroctonus
That doesn't surprise me.
SarcasticComment
2/ To make it worse, Japan had crushed Korea in National futbol, so I went home and changed
SarcasticComment
I made the mistake of wearing a Japan Tsunami releaf shirt, with pic of japan on it, on Independence Day... i got a lot of shitty looks
CNNBRFIINF
Not the same anyway...
SarcasticComment
I know, but still funny when on an oven
Valarauko
Uh, no. Hindu swastikas (where the name comes from) are left turning.
CNNBRFIINF
I think the graphics are correct but the explanation is a bit off on it. Obviously the manji/swastika has the points facing left
CNNBRFIINF
and the nazi swastika have their point facing right. It's also angled unlike the manji. It's not as similar as people think.
ThePastmaster
*Sighs* You're partially right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauwastika
Valarauko
I have yet to notice a left facing swastika in India, and I live there. Both are swastikas, but the cultural tradition among Hindus is ...
ValhallaBackYall
Vikings don't see color. They're happy to inslave any race.
spattr
I always imagined Swedish dark beauties like Alicia Vikander or Christina Lindberg descend from Mediterranean slaves captured by Vikings.
PizzaSlutForever
What, like dogs?
HighlyInappropriateConversation
Hell yeah we are, baby!
Sephitian
So long as they're pretty.
ChronologicalMyopia
jsktrogdor
Long as they have pretty girls small enough to carry.
Gdeadman
Or young boys taken back and raised as labor
tremonti
This guy's probably enbread...
jensglyn101
Spelling. Enslave.
DoublevBomb
If you represent a worthwhile trade route, we'll consider negotiating rather than killing you for resources.
Calmeister
Only enslaved beautiful chicks thats why they have pretty kins
GeneralBullshit
Norwegian here, can confirm, the only country of origin I lack a slave from is my own country. I got a big basement.
ElPoloDiablo
Slavery wasn't really about race until the Atlantic Slave Trade, and race was used as a justification.
StoChastic84
Don't forget rape and pillage. Happy to rape, pillage, and murder any race, any time. Don't care who, just love to rape, pillage, & murder.
lDesertVikingl
Gotta take time to appreciate the simple things.
GingerLaird
The only color vikings see is blood, everything else is a weird sin-city black & white.
ConfusedPenis
There's only one race.
DarthSedition
On earth there are 3. Casuals, console peasants, and the PC Masterrace.
GodEmperor0fMankind
You're godsdamned right
Korruptio
Vikings do see color, actually. Generally during and after a raid, primarily the colors of blood and flames
TimVette
http://imgur.com/FkHJyyy
mcgarry92
its like incest but slavery.. only family members.
theloneponderer
I hear they can be quite enthralling.
bluemeaniesarecoming
In through the outslave
SwedishBalls
And fuck any gender. But only one spouse.
MovieMoments
It may be that it's the middle of the night, but I'm working real hard to suppress laughter at the comment in conjecture with your user
rbudrick
Outslave.
ZippyYeti
Upvote for the name.
ValhallaBackYall
Thank you
MerToo
and take their stuffs. And screw the crap out of their women. They're equal opportunity pillagers, and I for one respect their PC values.
Ohhhlookaunicorneatingasamurai
Now hold on a cotton pickin' minute.
Machinister
DemoB0y
https://i.imgflip.com/tje8q.jpg
gegging
chaotic neutral
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Pretty sure attacking undefended villages, murdering monks and peasants, and taking slaves bumps you down from Neutral.
DarthSedition
I think that would depend on the DM and the world they created. For instance, the Dothraki would be chaotic neutral. Slaver's bay would be
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Oh no. I would definitely call the Dothraki evil. That was kind of the whole point of Miri Maz Duur showing how vile they truly are.
DarthSedition
I would disagree. If that was her goal she failed spectacularly by harming the innocent victim that was Dany.
DarthSedition
Righteous evil. The free cities slave owners would be neutral evil.
michealikruhara0110
Yeah, because the vikings were so respectful to everybody they met.
ThisIsTheLastTimeIChangeUsernamesIPromise
How would you respectfully enslave someone?
jogthejewelsquickly
Student loans
larsmaehlum
Bstone1
Take them as a wife.
ThisIsTheLastTimeIChangeUsernamesIPromise
You're thinking of christian marriage now
Bstone1
Nope still thinking of Viking marriage. Christianity doesn't remotely own the concept of marriage.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
IIRC the Anglo-Saxon word is "thrall." Which is why to he "enthralled" is to be enslaved an emotion.
MerToo
ugh i remember thinking about the Chance to Fascinate roll you could get in AD&D if you were ridiculously comely. Fascination is not nice...
DarthSedition
Anglo-Saxon ≠ Viking.
kaihp
The Danish & Norwegian word for a slave is "træl" - thrall.
Testiclees
While it is a Danish word for slave, it isn't really used. Instead we also use the word slave, though our pronunciation is different.
SteinarPatursson
Same with Norwegian. Iceland and the Faroes, on the other hand, use "Þræll" and "trælur", respectively
kaihp
Skal vi til at slås om det? ;-) Men enig, træl er et gammelt ord som stort set ikke bruges længere.
BluBoxx
There were actually very famous black Vikings
causality
Source?
BluBoxx
History. Thorhall, one of Eric the Red's chief officers was black.
causality
I can't find any sources that say Thorhall Gamlason was black. Do you have some?
BluBoxx
The Saga of Thorsfinn Karlsefni
d0o0o0d
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
*Black* Geirmundur Heljarskinn, name literally means skin the color of Hel. The predominant theory is that he wasn't black exactly, he was 1
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
4 which hasn't been translated into English, as far as I know.
causality
He was called the black viking but a Mongolian person isn't what we'd today call "black"
Sauroctonus
If I remember correctly, didn't calling someone "black" in old Norse refer to their hair colour? Not specifically talking about >
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
3 her up. He actually became a very wealthy and successful settler. Anyway the only real book about him I know of is Den Svarte Vikingen
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
2 half-Mongolian. Seems like his dear old daddy raided the Mongolians took a slave woman and did what Vikings did to slave women and knocked
DamnumAbsqueInjuria
I mean, imagine having to sail all the way down to Africa every time you wanted slaves in that day and age. Can't be too picky.
BuffaloJuice
Especially with all those pelts and furs!
Misslnformation
Simple logistics
Benlivin91
Also, more convents. Easy picking from the women. Lol
killersoda275
Ye, the English can be a handfull to enslave, but it's a much shorter trip.
DeadlyEnzyme
its easy if you offer free wifi. they just kinda hand themselves over
iwillshitonyourvalues
That's why you just use the Irish.
MzPaige
Only if you want the Vikings to go bankrupt over Beer costs.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
The English originally I saved orthodox Christian's too. Africans aren't special because they were enslaved, but because of how inhumanly...
DarkCrawler901
Viking slavery was also very different from chattel slavery.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Yes
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
...they were treated in a relatively modern time.
jsktrogdor
Fun Fact: Vikings got as far as Africa.
SomethingWittyIDK
I mean, they had a thriving trade with the middle East, and look up the Halfdan runes in the Hagia Sophia
Sauroctonus
This map seems to overlook the time some Vikings besieged Constantinople for funzies.
Bstone1
Everything Vikings did was for funsies.
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
That's where they got the 13th Viking.
Lowjob
They also worked as elite soldiers in Miklagard (Istanbul)
Bstone1
As the Varangian Guard (I think that's the spelling)
BitchesLoveBoba
Huh, I knew the Varangians from DS2 were based Vikings, but not as deep as that.
5555252545
Point to note here is that they dint enlave Iraq.
FastSquirt
If they had known about your oil. You would have been sacked.
snackmanistan
What does that have to do with anything?
capnsebastian
i read that some of the old Nords even got as far as the Americas and back
DagMorn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows that one of the oldest viking settlement in north America
DagMorn
yeah on the cost of Newfoundland. they're actually the first to land in America way before Columbus.
stormegedendarklordofall
Columbus didn't land in any part of the United States
tarrbot
magicflying
Enslave.
megfc
El Guapo is not just famous, he's IN-famous!
Generallydontcare
Dont be a slave to grammar
TheDairyPope
Or... dare I say it? A word nazi.
LibrarianGrammarNazi
I support this post.
KarateCanine
Beat me to it
Ohhhlookaunicorneatingasamurai
You need to whip it in gear.
BewareTheIceSpiders
Inslave is more inclusive.
VoIdemort
Inslav
Nocturner
This is thread against nazi. Even grammar nazi.
FloppyAnomaly
Enchilada
BlueManticore
Looks like we have a NAZI IN OUR MIDST!
burningredltd11
Enslave shreds!!!
GUVMENTCHEEZE63
No I'm sure he meant intercourse with a slave
koontruffle
Either.
strengtg
I mean, when you enslave people you choose how things are spelled for then on.
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TheDairyPope
It worked for Jefferson.
magicflying
I can't imagine slave owners have historically been too worried about not interbreeding. See: American south.
CornHuskerTexan
It's all relative in West Virginia
RaynWisp
Hey, you leave Uncle Mom and Aunt Dad alone!
lcplspanky
I got some bad news: uncle mom is also your brother, from when aunt dad cheated on sister mom with great aunt grandma
TeamNegan
enclave
OctopusOccult
Top geck
PleasantlyAmused
entrée
CoolGuyCoolDude
The enclave really makes FO3 different than FO4 and FNV
vitfall
Horrigan.
tehzpoon
Yeah, those guys are pretty bad too. They have great vertibirds, though
ZOMGNO
I came back after reading "Enslave" and clicking next.... thinking to myself... bet you the next comment is "Enclave"....
kmikl
Batcave.
pookieeatworld
Vagina.
TheRealEdwardRooney
Manslave
ISayFuckAllTheTime
Wood lathe
RaynWisp
entendre
TerranEarthling
Ententé
WillMcMahon
Maybe it's maybeline
RaynWisp
D'Andre