jlriosJumper
80198
2016
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Navajo
Jan 4, 2021 12:52 AM
jlriosJumper
80198
2016
28
Victor753
They were killed rather than let them fall into enemy hands no?
DaisyfromDownunder
Speaking in Modern Republican is far denser than the average commentator can decipher.
Turbolibros
NicolasKevinMac
I've only heard of this because of _The X-Files_.
STEVIERAYK
I knew a couple of Chicago ho's once.
jondru
"Has no written form..."?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_language#Orthography
AlainGuylain
Thanks to you, now I understand that reference from 2015’s MGSV
bearsandbeers
worth pointing out that part of what makes it hard to learn is that there are very few teachers because the community has been decimated...
Snooj
Thankfully we repaid them for assisting in our military victory by never treating the Native Americans poorly again.
sorosfieldops
That's why America is the best country in the world! Here is the list of the great things the US did for them after the war:
DigitalWaffle
Ah yes, master Chakotay from the Voyager clan.
karateninjazombie
https://xkcd.com/257/
kingrd
I'd watch a high quality Nicholas Cage documentary about this
jlriosJumper
How was it?
scanerang
What makes Navajo so hard to learn?
userfriendly19777
One of the factors could be it is not Indo-European.
TheCrankyCow
it was an isolated spoken language, with it's own grammatical rules.
wonttakno2
The first use of native American code talkers was in WW1 by the Choctaw tribe. Its where the army got the idea for WW2
PrecogFrogOnALog
IIRC, they weren't actually using a code, but were just speaking their native language. The navajo one was also encoded. Prevented captives<
wonttakno2
look up the original group you will see Albert Billy thats my great great grandfather. Believe me they were using code just not as complex
PrecogFrogOnALog
I researched the navajo quite a bit for a school project, but didn't look into the choctaw much (more like read about them in passing).
PrecogFrogOnALog
>from being forced to translate it. "They're speaking crazy navajo."
CantankerousCantaloupe
They had fun names for countries, Germany was "iron hat people land", Russia "red shirt people land" and Finland just "many swamps".
CantankerousCantaloupe
France was "moustache people land", Italy "not-speak-clearly land" and Spain "sheep pain land". Last one was probably confuced with Wales.
TheMightyMoto
Didnt they make a movie about this?
skip2112
I can say it wasn't called saving Ryan's privates There were no Indians in that one
Lifk
There is an x-file episode too
MorgulTheFriendlyDrelb
Yeah, and an X-files episode.
76000BatteryLlamas
Yes - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Doubtfire
Devious11
Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windtalkers
SmellySquatch
Yeah but it's nice cage so you'd be better off not
urboyevan2
100% accurate
AlmightyThor117
jlriosJumper
Yes I think it was called Windtalker.
detour512
Not bad. Seen it a few times, recommend seeing it at least once...
Ranger1992
Def at least once no more no less. Its where i decided to try sake.
Hashbrown123
Why the hell would we declassify our unbreakable secret code?
Lamborghinileglock
Technology made it somewhat obsolete, computers and prime numbers changed all encryption
rcgom
not arguing, but pointing out 2 often overlooked facts about the program. lots of codetalkers came from other tribes & they weren't just 1/
McPuffinStuff
Choctaw was another tribe that was used.
rcgom
speaking navajo but using code with the language. 2/2
BigBadBillyBoy
Well.... A soldier talking about killing “turtles” isn’t all that hard to decipher.
VictusVonGuyver
That had to. Japanese had priority targets on any Native American's for capture. They often tortured them to reveal the code. >
VictusVonGuyver
One example is the POW survivor of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombings who had been kept alive to be used to break the code. >
VictusVonGuyver
After having been tortured Joe Kieyoomia was able to understand his own language but not the code being used. His imprisonment and >
VictusVonGuyver
torture in high security concrete buildings shielded him from the two nuclear blasts.
Turbolibros
rcgom
the very first google result: https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/american-indian-code-talkers
Theotokoss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker?wprov=sfla1 Not just Navajo, but Hopi, and Comanche IIRC
Turbolibros
Thank you. Original comment seems to indicate that they used Navajo code, but Wikipedia does not state that, so I asked for the source.
Theotokoss
Sauce is always good
Dagordae
Different branches of the military used different languages in different theatres of war. It wasn't even a new trick, we did it in WW1 and
Dagordae
most other nations had their own unique variants. The Navajo simply had a popular movie about it.
kmikl
Canada had similar in WWI-Korea. The practise is retired now as I recall.
Dagordae
Not really a practice that has much use in the era of the internet. Too easy to get the translation to make it worth the time compared to
namAehT
They also had a man with a gun stationed next to them at all times to prevent capture.
Icecreaman
Oh. ... oh! OH NO!
HydraNine
Because they'd shoot whoever tried to capture them?
SenfinaZeit
Why else?
poderous
..... ..... yes, child, to shoot the baddies
KingBanana8008
I’m a bit confused by this comment. Do you mean capture of the code breaker, so the Japanese couldn’t interrogate them?
Anarchduke
pretty hard to interrogate a guy who has a bullet in his head.
Counterfit
It's as easy as interrogating anyone else. Getting an answer is the harder part
TinyOctopus
Tiny Octopus invites you to talk to some CT guys who are stationed on boats and ask them about the pistol in the safe.
tankroller
Its jot for the rabid squirrels that chugged half a dozen redbulls, is it?
natemangreen6
Stuff like that wasn't uncommon during that time. During the Cold war the submarine USS halibut was fitted with explosives to destroy it in
natemangreen6
Case of capture
Counterfit
Scuttling charges
whyexactly
was that unique to them, or was it standard for everyone on the front lines doing code work?
Albatross267
This is something I want to know.
IupvoteAussies
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Benki6wbh
According to the windtalkers movie it was unique to them. Even now there is less than 10 people who know the true code
whyexactly
that's unfortunate. I would hope that's just because they were handling the most important messages but I know that's not likely to be it
Benki6wbh
And they are taught it verbally handed down from service man to service man
lkfool
Some of the equipment I worked with in the military had an "aiming" plug that aligned the gun with all encryption circuits.
Piefromhell
We just had timed explosives.
AndWeShallCallItThisLand
I think this fact is a lot more sad than some people realize
RectalPunchfromHell
A shot to the head sounds nice than weeks of torture, then shot to the head
OutlawGerman
Mynstoned and currently dimwitted mind isnt making the connection here. Please help a dude out and expand please
SecretlyARedPanda
Death before capture.
narwhaffle
The guards were not there to protect the speakers, but the code. Dead men can't give it up.
funkinsk8
If the code talker was in danger of being captured, the gun would be used to kill them so the other side didn’t get the code
qtRaven
Dead Men Tell No Tales.