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The drone is expected to cost around 15,000 euros ($19,000) each.
A Dutch student has revealed a prototype 'ambulance drone', a flying defibrillator able to reach heart attack victims within precious life-saving minutes.
Developed by engineering graduate Alec Momont, it can fly at speeds of up to 100 kilometres per hour (60 miles per hour).
Painted in emergency services yellow and driven by six propellers, the drone can carry a four kilogramme load - in this case a defibrillator.
The ambulance drone can get a defibrillator to a patient within a 12 square kilometre (4.6 square miles) zone within a minute, increasing the chance of survival from 8 percent to 80 percent.
Alec Momont
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2811851/The-ambulance-drone-save-life-Flying-defibrillator-reach-speeds-60mph.html
Holly Shit... Front Page Edit: http://i.imgur.com/uVN5DUr.jpg
AnnettaBudden88
Apparently I now need to go buy a drone, a pressurized air launch system and some epi-pens. Thanks for that.
RadioactiveRob
Of course he's Dutch. If I had access to weed I might come up with something like this too...
ChristaE
bwahahahahahahahahahaha I dare you! (with love from the Netherlands)
MostTriumphant
This is why it is awesome to live in this age.
NeoHelios
Great, there goes the airspace for hobbyists... "Making remotes illegal so they don't interfere with emergencies" *sigh*
TheRompingRaccoon
I see this attempting to solve a problem that doesn't exist. A lot of heart attacks per say are not shockable rhythms
Medi0crates
She better not still be touching him when the countdown gets to 1...
krankenwagen
Extra patient!
Trecares
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED!
spurros
Great, another weapon for Skynet to use against us. Good job nerd.
KFizzle
Hahaha wait.. fuck that makes so much sense, I do not like where this drone thing is going, on the plus side, we get to shoot them all down.
UnlikelyMotivation
Youre on an internet forum, calling people nerds? Well, i guess youre not wrong.
itsworthatry
I like smart people with good ideas.
IknowwhoIam
flies at 60 MPH but can get to a patient within 4 miles in a minute... I think your math is off.
chattguy
awesome. I love all the new ideas for using drones
NotACreativeName
Lets try and call them multirotors or UAS's
ImMuddy
This is why I am in the UAS field. fantastic idea!!!
Domehammer
Well hopefully they become widespread before a idiot does something horrible. So they don't banned cause of a idiot... banned in the USA.
andreyhimself
Suddenly bombs. Bombs everywhere.
dsurik
Yeah, that always fucks us over -_-
TheAngryBang
What if... What if theyre inside?
PhightinFirez
Fantastic idea for less populous areas, but if you get into big cities, drones like this would lose their usefulness.
RiBurfeind12
Fuck yes! This is cool.
GoDDstopper
What A time to be alive
Polpotspants
As an emt I've been to more than 1 scene with people using aeds totally wrong. Now failure has wiiiiings
PeterMus
How? It even gives simple verbal instructions...
Trecares
Deaf person flaps their hands.
youareuglyandyourmotherdressesyoufunny
Great idea, but human error will fuck it up.
JerseyGirlIowa
eg the wrong pad placement like in the picture above...
DaMarketMasta
"do i tape these to his balls?" "idk, lets try it"
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
They diagnose the cardiac rhythm and decide whether a shock is needed: http://enwp.org/Automated_external_defibrillator
AWdeV
I don't see how. There should be a defibrilator hanging in a box in a street in this town but it was stolen. Can't steal a drone as easily.
PeeonTrotsky
Do you understand how AEDs work? Attach the sticky pads by following a picture, then step back and watch the magic. Very little human 1/2
PeeonTrotsky
error, even from people using one their first time. And EVEN if people screw up occasionally, more lives are still saved. 2/2
CanadiansWilllRule
This is still unquestionably a major improvement!
Leithoa
No more than having AEDs generally available. There are better, cheaper, solutions to the problem of not having AEDs.
leejaem1
What if the drones are autonomous, and only make human contact when they are sent to a location by a central dispatch?
youareuglyandyourmotherdressesyoufunny
The people at central dispatch will fuck it up.
leejaem1
it can't be any worse than current dispatch
youareuglyandyourmotherdressesyoufunny
Probably not. But you'll still have people using it on the victim, and even if they're stupid-simple, people usually fuck it up.
leejaem1
don't these devices come with simple instruction manuals? I know that fire extinguishers do, and so do on-site defibrillators.
KingoftheIntroverts
The math is wrong. 60 mph = 1 mile in 60 seconds. Radius of circle with area 4.6 square miles is about 1.2 miles.
brunei
I was waiting for someone to point this out.
smoothlikebutteronabaldmonkey
Who is going to hook it up to the heart attack victim?
imfeelingskinnytony
hopefully not you it seems
UnlikelyMotivation
Whoever called 911?
HiddenSanity
AEDs are fairly simple to use with the directions, and most first-aiders are trained in their use.
Soundedleaf
I can't wait for the moment they invent a drone that delivers pizza to your door.
HolgerBechNielsen
It's already there: http://youtu.be/ZDXuGQRpvs4
Yupurineutah
Considering that the Netherlands has marijuana delivery taxis.......hmmmm.
Capitolium
My town just has defibrillators on a lot of public places to be used in an emergency, which is more practical than this.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Except when you're alone in an ally... Since it's another person who needs to find the AED and not you, cause you can't leave him alone.
Capitolium
Well, you're fucked then.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
And in that case,a drone could come in handy! Or, when you live, like I do, in a town with of woods and fields and no public building nearby
Capitolium
For rular areas an ambulance is still faster, not to mention much better in bad weather.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Not here, since it takes at least a 15 minute drive from the nearest hospital and they all have two ambulances, so if they're used, fuck
WOOOOOOO
How? The cost of defibrillators to fill up an area that would equal the distance this machine can cover is too expensive.
Capitolium
Part from taxes, prat from the healthcare system and par from the european union.
Capitolium
Damn typos
urvogelarts
Not all heart attacks happen in the street.
WOOOOOOO
This machine's use can go beyond the street and into public/private indoor usage as well.
retrometro
At 60 mph, that's 1 mile per minute. How can you get a defibrillator to a patient 4.6 miles away within 1 minute?
caralily
Square miles, dude. The area of the circle (which still happens to be like 3.3 miles, but they are converting things from metric).
ChristaE
Doesn't matter, like in the more civilsed half of the planet, we use the metric system, so it's going to be km/h.
ToastedVanilla
Okay, so who will operate the defibrillator? Does the drone do it somehow? Is it up for the person who reported it to operate it?
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
We have an automated defib at work. We still had to be trained to use it even though it has voice prompts.
laxecas
In Europe to get driving license you have mandatory CPR lessons, wouldn't be a problem to teach how to operate these, they are simple
thatdutchguy
Bullshit. Not here anyway.
cave91
neither here (Italy)
MarcTheRN
wrong pad placement ಠ_à²
shellmazine
I was about to say. I hadn't been in a CPR class for a couple years, but I KNEW that looked odd!
ohidksomethingfunny
Duh! It's one on the forehead and the other directly on the gooch
q00u
They're British; they intentionally put the pads on the wrong side of the road. I mean body.
JustARichard
Huh what? I was looking at the hot girl
MrBigMcLargeHuge
Maybe he has Situs Inversus which would make them closer to correct. Still wrong but they might do something if that's the case.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Imagine, someone having situs inversus without you knowing and you totally fuck up your first aid cpr :o
eruval82
That's so rare though. I don't think most people ever find out unless they have surgery
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Accept for all the other doctors appointments where the doctor listens to your heart as a routine check-up
DoctorsPrescribeNursesProvide
Well spotted! Ambulance/intensive care nurse here, I missed it...
leftyshuckles
$19000 fucking dollars?? Are you fucking kidding me?!? For a fucking battery that flies???
TheSkeletonWar
Well, It's not gonna paint itself!
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Yeah, £1K defib (not sure of US price) + drone = 19K sounds a bit steep - maybe a 4kg lift drone costs more than a standard one.
leftyshuckles
It would cost less to put a defibrillator in a car. Someone still has to be paid to fly the thing, so an extra ambulance could work
darkunited
This won't work in the real world.
ProfessorExpert
MTV would like to disagree
UnlikelyMotivation
Your argument is well structured and presented well.
leejaem1
what about mine?!?!
ourari
Dutch urban areas are quite dense. If you have a few base stations and deploy them on demand, it could work.
BiZZaK
Won't work in America*
leejaem1
Why not? A bunch of these can just circle around above the city and they can be sent to a location by the dispatch when needed.
CanadiansWilllRule
Or just a few central charging stations, this is in the Netherlands, and their cities are quite dense.
FlatPlutoSociety
No need to circle. More efficient to have them docked at power stations at strategic points with convenient access to crowded areas.
ProfessorExpert
Yeah but do you want any average joe using this? Seems like a whole shit ton of liability to me
leejaem1
don't these devices come with instruction manuals, like fire extinguishers do? we already have on-site defibrillators.
ProfessorExpert
On-site ones are probably more on the company I think, not on a government service
junkhacker
automated defib units have been around a long time. just follow the picture diagram and the software does the rest
NotTheUserYoureLookingFor
Battery life won't support aimlessly circling around a city.
leejaem1
It can. Some of the more recent drones designed can stay airborne for months or even years.
imonchair
Yeah, but they have a different source of power, either solar or gas. This one is battery operated so it can stay airborne for an hour or so
Pskovinsky
Not *copter style drones. It's burn power or die for them. With wings and solar power they can stay up a long time.
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Blimp motherships!
bpetersen
1 Drone for $19000 or 19 $1000 AEDs. You also need a drone flyer and system to alert the drone flyer. Scattering more AEDs is more practical
maxpaxman
It's $19k now, but like with anything, the price will drop when it gets mass-produced. Can't leave the patient to get AED, must give CPR
OrangeCarrot
Less than 19 AEDs and the rest of the money in free classes to teach people first aid & how to use the AED would be even better than 1 drone
OrangeCarrot
Also: drone maintenance costs, costs of training the operators, facilities and ground stations costs, response time (comp to AEDs in place)
ImMuddy
I like this drone idea.
0utrider
Watch the video: it's not just an AED - it's also a camera/mic/speaker for a 911 operator along for the ride.
mintz911
I agree. A drone cant open a door. It its only feasible outside. navigating inside any building would be extremely difficult.
MundaneFacts
So put them sounds parks.
MundaneFacts
*around
WOOOOOOO
But the dispatcher can tell the person who dialed 911 that the drone will be in the front door soon...
UnlikelyMotivation
I feel like we just evolved a little..
WOOOOOOO
The cost of defibrillators to fill up an area that would equal the distance this machine can cover is too expensive.
Leithoa
Not really. In single units they're <2000USD; 10 AEDs == 1 drone. And you don't have to put them everywhere, put them by the crowds.
WOOOOOOO
The drone can service more than just public crowds as well. It can go residential. An AED per household is too expensive.
Leithoa
Sure, if it's the homeowner buying it. But the drones aren't being sold to homeowners either. It's cities that are supposed to buy them.
WOOOOOOO
Drones can be sent to homes to respond to emergencies.
Leithoa
3)areas. The local pool, playground, rec center, retirement homes.
Leithoa
2)so it would stand to reason that cities or neighborhoods would buy the AEDs too. You don't need one per house, put them by hi risk
IcanAlwaysPlayWithMyWilly
The drone can get anywhere, 19 AED's across 12 square kilometres cannot.
Leithoa
2)grab the AED there. Or hell, put them at a crosswalk. This solution didn't come about as the best way to get AEDs in public, it is someone
Leithoa
Either case needs a human operator at the site. If someone has the wherewithal to call for an AED drone they can jog down to the shop to
bpetersen
Well you have to make sure the drone does not hit any trees or telephone wires/poles on its flight. It would suck if it got stuck in a tree
gunterleeds
Uh, yeah no shit. You'd also have to make sure that people running to collect your scattered AEDs don't fall down open manhole covers….
Leithoa
3)trying to shoe-horn 'drones' into every day life. They solved problem withe the 'solution' already in mind.
previoustopcomment
19 AEDs would put one less than 400m away anywhere inside that area.
ROBOT120807
Spacing them by 2km wouldn't even cover half that area.
ROBOT120807
2 square km that is
previoustopcomment
4x3 grid(12km square), put one in the centre of each cell. That's 12 with a Max distance of 500m away at any point. Then you have 7 more.
christiangoth
Not sure I agree that scattering AEDs is more practical. At 60 kph this can attend to ~100 square km a minute. How many AEDs for same area?
bpetersen
You have to make sure that the drone does not hit any trees, telephone polls. Make sure drone is fully charged. It also requires maintence
Leithoa
Those problems already have solutions. You also have to make sure AEDs (drone or otherwise) are charged. The solution works, it's just bad.
CoconutCyclone
60mph, 100kph
christiangoth
Ah yes, oops. Drank too much scotch this evening.
Reg06
I've never heard of this "too much" scotch. Is it good?
Leithoa
Better with every glass.
Bolognapogna
Or do both. AEDs break also. Your point is only dependent on a shortage of money. Emergency response funds in cities are always high.
Leithoa
If funds are always short why would any city blow so much money on one solution. A distributed network of AEDs is way more robust. 12sqkm
Leithoa
2) is only a 3-4 square city blocks. You could get the same coverage with a handful of AEDs at a lower cost.
aShogunNamedMarcus
That's kinda like saying "Your point is only dependent on gravity existing"... money is finite and everything has an opportunity cost
Bolognapogna
No, that's a pretty inane comparison, don't you think? Also, city/state/fed funds don't work like that. If you don't spend the funds you 1/
Bolognapogna
get, then you lose it to other agencies. Also, Military/Medical communities always use funds to test new technology. 1-2 would make sense.
aShogunNamedMarcus
I'm not saying a big budget metro can't benefit from them (I could see them being useful to cover NYC's Central Park for instance) 1/2
DenaliRaven
>has heart attack indoors
profaneee
so carrying the damn thing inside didn't occur to you? the bloke is holding it one damn hand so it surely wouldn't be that much trouble aye?
scottyftl
Nah, that never happens.
imfeelingskinnytony
most buildings have AEDs now, so there is that
BitchButcher
I've never seen a non public building with an AED
HillOfBeans
It includes continuous phone contact. When it gets to your door you pick it up and bring it in.
AWdeV
OH YEAH.
hiroshimaFried
http://media3.giphy.com/media/ehkZNJsLEYtGw/giphy.gif
AWdeV
OH NO.
autothoreau
That's irrelevant as I don't think the drone can administer the treatment. Thus requiring someone else to set it up.
goodjobmyfellowman
Should come equipped with Epi-missles
RagingSlab
As a medic...Hell yes I want Epi missles!!
unkiereamus
Apparently I now need to go buy a drone, a pressurized air launch system and some epi-pens. Thanks for that.
justengineeringthings
Ill build the multirotor, you build the launch mech. We'll get rich.
beeratius
I read that as "mutilator" at first
BarnabasWizardcock
You are fucking brilliant. Epi-missiles(tm)
goodjobmyfellowman
Dang! I forgot the (tm)!!!
BarnabasWizardcock
TOO LATE IT'S MINE NOW(tm)
SerialLurker
There are automated external defibrillators (AED) all over the place (many stores/schools) already. People need to learn out how to use 'em.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Yeah, but still a problem if you're in an ally with no one around...
marsgoose
You can buy 30 AEDs for price of this, and that doesn't even account the cost of maintenance, which is for AED a place to hang on the wall.
MrAwesomesauce101
The AED tells you how to use them with automated voice instructing you what to do. A 6 year old could understand it easily.
uchronia
1: In the US at least, they're also labeled in ways that suggest an untrained person is legally *forbidden* to use them, despite good
BigDickPodrick
Same in the UK, the one on my village green has a lock code that only groundstaff know, and it's unstaffed 5 days out of 7!
allthenamesaregone
Except when they're needed chances are people won't remember where they are.
grumpatsurrisrex
Where I work, they're by all the elevators. Pretty easy to remember.
BitchButcher
First you need to know where they are. Using them is very easy.
Saxit
Kindergarten children are able to follow the instructions without trouble, no training needed really.
DaltWisney
AEDs cost almost $5000, not to mention the hassle of keeping them secure in a public place. The drone increases accessibility for the cost.
lookinggood
one more thing to teach at school?
eggmuffin
The public ones are literally impossible to misuse. A toddler can use them. That's not an exaggeration.
sofl
Not enough in my opinion, and in many public places they're locked and you have to call a phone number to get the code, bc that shit (1/2)
sofl
expensive and they just get stolen every time (2/2)
uchronia
2: samaritan protections specific to AEDs in federal law.
lightningirl12
My friend (14 years old) died from a undiscovered heart condition on the soccer field. His family tried to donate a defibrillator to 1/2
lightningirl12
the soccer team (it could have saved him) but they wouldn't take it because of the liability. 2/2
Pyrowolf1
Yeah but people probably don't know where they are
cutecatpicturesarewhyimhere
I work at a college and most of the employees have gone thru defibrillator training.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
All people in my class have too! Then again, I'm in med school, so...
HamsterHuey
Additionally, the machine determines if the heart has a normal rhythm or not; a normal rhythm prevents the AED from shocking.
00Donut
As an EMT, more people need to know CPR/AED.
SerialLurker
That was covered as well. Always a good thing to know!
marsgoose
Yeah but there is all the tv that needs watching, why waste time on something that might save lives.
princessbunnie
I went through the training and basically they said: "Turn on the machine and follow the directions it tells you."
SerialLurker
Yup. Just need to know where to put the pads.
AHornyRhino
On your balls, right?
Woll
Then there's the Police mobile taser variant.
Assessadaptovercomewaitnvm
Yes, these would be interesting.
MySecondAccount
Or the American version with a gun and racial profiling
TheLastGreatCanadian
RCMP are waiting on that actually
harm55
I soooo wanna see that on a cops episode. Seeing a criminal chased down by a tazer drone lol
RedbeardTheFurious
Like the dog in Fahrenheit 451, I tell you hwat.
Solarfyre
Well, military drones already exist
QUALITYCONTR0L
SkyNet
urseppos
Only in 'Murica, the home of peacefulness.
ImMrbulldops
That's what we need more weapons for the police
Markieh
As someone who lives in the Netherlands i can tell you they don't use tasers here, there are also cops who don't have a gun at all.
iDrinkDrano
It's really just this one with a cute lil police cap.
velociraptorfarmer
South Park did it
lordkango
I just got tased today training to be Security Forces augmentee. It fucking sucks so hard, just be compliant when they pull it out.
ChuckKarma
And finally there's a unit combining both functions, call the Flying Fibrillator-Defibrillator.
Zixtank
If something can save lives, you can be damn sure someone's gonna use it to take wm as well. Sad really.
USD1
If there's anything I want hackers to hijack in this world....
TheLastBillyBumbler
Don't. You're just giving them ideas.
Knutzi
A manhack from HL2 really.
LuckyParker
Two kinds of people in this world...
SpecimenSpiff
And a recorded voice shouting, "STOP RESISTING!" over and over.
wilxcapps
Taser? In America it would be submachine guns...
kilroyishere
I was thinking a crop-duster type pepper spray drone
jRam90
US citizen right?
COCKCRUSHER
drops firearms with untraceable serial numbers at selected crime scenes
iPretend
Tear gas grenade launchers
Alternalo
graehall
You mean the ones we already use in the middle east that have their children growing up in fear of a clear sky?
iDrinkDrano
Yeah! Like that but with a cute little shell like the drone above.
ballsohard2202
I think you're misunderstanding the ones that are used to strike with precision and save our soldiers lives. Yes, it is more precise then
TheSmoothTasteFooledYa
That explains all of the civilian casualties from drone strikes, It's their "precision".
ballsohard2202
Compared to an invasion?? Not as many.
ballsohard2202
2/2 invading a whole fucking country to do it.
GornCaptainVS
legopieface
Inaccurate. The police would never use cameras.
BetYouCantHitMeWithaQuarter
I knew this was gonna be here.
iamthisguy247
It's programmed to beat unsuspecting black people and then slide some coke into their pocket.
Cokid93420
Just sprinkle a little crack on him Johnson!!
whoputthebop
As a black guy that sounds like it'll make things a lot easier for the police.
iamthisguy247
Yeah, which will save tax money, so it's really a win for all involved.
whoputthebop
As long as we use that money on improving suburban schools or new police cruisers and nothing that would help the poor.
Dolewhipper
I was more just picturing batons.
NotRick
http://youtu.be/ocqB6_y71xE
TheHappyHermit
Dolewhipper
i want
IAmWhoEverYouSayIAm
Couldn't you just grab the baton and get a free dildo
mattsif
Officer Beepsky...
darthburrito
He is the Law aboard Space Station 13
ziralien
Nah, in the US it'll just have one or two firearms on it.
CaptainCapitalAndHisPunctuationPals
Pew pew pew, Murica!
Dolewhipper
That fires like what? 7 warning shots into their backs each?
ziralien
Something like that, yes.
ItsSneakyAdolf
Only 7? Dang liberals.
Kerberos623
In Sweden people with CPR training are signed up to SMS service. If someone has a heartattack it message everyone within x km. people save
CuriousGuyPMnudes
I've seen it myself, so there +1
notirrelevant
Yeah, but try that in 'Murica: "Yeah, pickpocketing has never been easier!"
justasomeone
hold up hold up, imma let you finish but first i wanna say; thats awesome
zigazigahh12345
money by switching to geico.
Nutjob
People save. Much Rescue. Such CRPs. Wow.
Limmmao
CFRs in the UK
Ariltongadottir
Isn't that only in Stockholm? Might even be a test project.
Kerberos623
yes and yes
DrRetroMD
We have this in the Netherlands too
freeatlast
I do that. Arrives about 60% of the time ahead of ambulances.
malgalmal
This. +1,000 Sweden
YaBoyAbeLincoln
all of the socks that end up without a pair after washing clothes, but for some reason, never end up finding the other one. Strange.
quantumpacket
... many more lives and reach much quicker than emergency services alone.
TMWMarijke
We also have defibrillators placed in different public locals. It's great!
ItsTime4it
Works great unless you are not connected to an EEG
Kerberos623
no, people call in when they see the HA, then it messages out. not hooked to EEG.
GandalfTheUltraViolet
Put that together with this and it'll be amazing.
FaceFoiled
Same in the Netherlands, the drone would just help out get the Defib unit to the area. Although there are quite a few defib spots in towns
Letstriptogether
Most of them in shops and supermarkets and they're not always open.
sp4nk0r
coupons for black Friday but they're always expired next November.
payHOMAGEpupil
You phuq.. Take my upwards arrow..
jasona99
I was laughing too hard to upvote. Had to adjust my mouse's DPI.
ArtSparkle
God damit
niveK77
Your username is majestic as fuq.
synapticprogression
Wish we had this in the US.
q00u
http://www.pulsepoint.org/
Bolognapogna
We do. They're coming online soon in major cities.
thadiuz
Good. As somone who requires it for my profession, use it. It really saves lives being there quick.
eidam655
how do you know the location of the victim/people if your only contact is through sms?
Kerberos623
Once people call in the heartattack to the dispatcher they send the adress in the sms.
eidam655
ok, and what about the location of the recipients? if someone's having a HA in malmo & you don't want to spam stockholm?
Kerberos623
currently only in service in Stockholm, but it uses gps positioning technique to alert the people that are signed up within 500 meter
Groose
...why do people not finish what they are saying -_-
bigguywhokills
His computer's clock varied by more than 5 minutes from the server's clock.
Lindholmarinatorn
Because lolcharacterlimit
eruval82
Maybe "people save" is the statement. You can extrapolate. "Normal people save lives on a (daily?) Basis"
AWdeV
Because imgur is retarded and has a character limit.
Groose
...why not just do a 1/2 type thing?
AWdeV
I don't know what you're saying.
itiscalledaPUPPYyoutwat
That's great and important. But rapid access to a defib is really an outcome changer
nesticRAW
As well as people who perform CPR.
TehSnarfSnarf
Well high quality cpr that is
IfistedTux
Yep, but a lot of stores or schools have those. And a defibrillator is worthless if someone isn't doing cpr..
dropthebutts
The drone carries a camera, speaker and microphone in which emergency services can give pointers to the person that called/is at the scene
IfistedTux
I don't think people could handle it with a camera and a speaker... I mean, have you ever tried giving cpr?
dropthebutts
I'm trained in first aid and you're def. right. Thing is, though, any amount of assistance even though it's layman increases odds of surviv.
erischilde
Yep but defibs are better than CPR percent wise..
darrex
CPR does not restart your heart. It provides oxygen rich blood to your body so cells don't start dying. The only thing I know of that can
darrex
restart your heart without an AED is a precordial thump and it has a very low chance of actually working and only works if its done
darrex
pretty much right after the arrest.
erischilde
Ah. Heart defib though can assist with stabilizing funny hearbeats. You're right, still need the air!
darrex
It's called cardioversion. It's done on conscious people. I've seen it and it hurts.
erischilde
I never thought of that. I guess the whole thing is traumatic, but yeah. Oh man. Are you EMT or something similar?
justoverlyexcitedyarggh
But what if you don't want CPR?
flymps
Is that actually a thing?
darrex
Some people don't want resuscitation. More common in elderly people. Example, you're 90, heart stops. They just want to go.
turnip001
Then you get a medi-alert (or equivalent) with DNR written on it.
birgerz
Why would you not want CPR?
darrex
Not sure how common it is in younger people but elderly people sometimes sign Do Not Resuscitate forms. Imagine if you were 80+ and
darrex
you've lived your life, you're confined to a nursing home, confined to a bed, or one of the the other thousands of possible reasons. If
darrex
their heart stops, sometimes they want that to be the end. Plus, compressions on an elderly person break every bone in their chest if done