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Taokan22
A lot of "what they do" is up to the volunteers running the program.
BigHugeSmallTaco
Fuck cookies. I mean they're good, but let's teach some girls to gut a fish, start a fire, apply first aid, and shoot a rifle.
zutaramyotp
a lot of people are bringing up venture scouts. venture scouts aren't nearly as wide spread as the other two organizations
njkayak99
Join a Venture crew, jfc
JustAFemaleEngineerTryingToChangeTheWorld
To the people who think girl scouts is just sewing and selling cookies, you're totally off base. I learned so much more than that, from how
ThanatosElNyx
When I was a kid the scouts my sisters went to was like that, while mine went climbing mountains.
JustAFemaleEngineerTryingToChangeTheWorld
To change my car tires & check my oil, how to recover from a flipped kayak, how to make and stick to a budget. I gained so much from GS...
blanco6969
Besides, the BSOA is a backwards-thinking organization, the Girl Scouts are way more open/accepting.
DNJANinSFL
Does this mean that the Girl Scouts will let a guy in? I'm sure the person wanting a girl in boy scouts will never want a boy in girl scouts
peachesforme
actually boys are already allowed in girl scouts. they were allowed in about 10 years ago. yes it was because of a trans boy *gasp*
Ulthirm
Let's just get rid of both sides and make one uniformed object. Now I know girl scouts have the whole anti boy thing(from a family of
Ulthirm
A GS mom it's really bad. They'd try to kick us out off the house when they had a meeting because of those rules)
Ulthirm
But I'm sure both sides can deal without. Doesn't seem to be doing bad in europe.
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
Cavalrysword
Soon to be seen on "16 & pregnant".
GasBandit
Back in the 90s, during the tailhook scandal, a girl I graduated HS with planned to join the military. I was all, "uh, but, all the rape?"
DoneFirin
If you're 16-21 you can get involved with the co-ed arm of the Boy Scouts, called Venture Crew.
JPKilljoy
Actually you can join at 14 or have completed the 8th grade
foodforfood
It might make those camping trips a lot more interesting.
BlackBiblio
Well it's make a lot less greasy buttholes...
Chazwozza
Scouts Canada has been Co-ed for 20+ years...
HodorIsADJ
So like 23+ USA years.
uristMcBadRAM
yeah I'm really confused about this my cubs group had a few girls in it and nobody cared.
orphne
Scouts Canada > BSA
CheeseburgertheSinister
I remember there being female staffers at a Boy Scout camp I worked at.
Communistdoggo
I worked at BS camp before. Two of our staff members disappeared at night and we almost had to sound the lost camper siren.
Communistdoggo
It's was a guy and a girl staff member. They had sex or something lol
bigmuffins
A woman actually posted this. . Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts are two different things. You don't see boy scouts selling cookies.
ingelri
Well, change the girl scouts instead of demanding that the boy scouts change.
Escaped2
Combine the two to break the disparity.
ingelri
Why? Why should the boyscouts change? Give them a reason that will benefit them and their boy scouts.
Escaped2
How about the fact that girl scouts, their training and awards do not compete with the boy scouts "Eagle Scout." Removes some descrimination
JrizzleyBaer
Dudes. I was in scouts till Silver award & we did a fuck ton of camping. We'd quilt something for christmas and do booths, but we camped.
JrizzleyBaer
Did not know that most troops just focused on cookies instead of patches or awards... my troop ended up staying through gold (from brownies)
JrizzleyBaer
Makes me sad to hear that most troops are just cute cookie pimps. I was thought bs/gs as 2 halves of 1 whole what with the founders boning.
SyDiko
I'm a boy and want to be a Girl Scout
protostars
you just wanna eat brownies
MikeRod80
orangemarmaladesky
Maybe we should just have "scouts".
TastyBrainMeats
Many countries do, I believe.
FlorbFnarb
Heaven forbid boys and girls do things separately.
Escaped2
Heaven forbid blacks and whites drink at the same fountain.
FlorbFnarb
Who said anything about blacks and whites?
Escaped2
It's a play on what you said. I mean, if they have separate schools what does it matter? Separate but equal.
FlorbFnarb
Because the comparison is bullshit.
AkiyamaRuss
The UK where Scouting for boys originated is now just Scouts and (girl) Guides. I know both can join Scouts not sure about Guide though
slurmlover
Here's the deal. Men need spaces of their own. Women will always push into them instead of creating their own. And men will make new ones.
Groznek
That sounds like the same whiny nerdboy shit I heard when video games got more widely popular.
BlackBiblio
Then let's make new scouts with blackjack and hookers and it'll be just for men.
justme123
Can I ask why? What is it about woman that they can't be in a man's space? I don't think that anything should be exclusive.
Ulthirm
Well once in a while you begin to feel constantly targeted. For me it's about every day. For others not so often. You need a place where
Ulthirm
This doesn't happen. Every group has them, and we need to accept they need to exist. Females, males, black, white, gay, straight, alcoholics
justme123
That seems pretty sad... we don't separate people based on race so they feel safe. We should be working together to feel accepted by all.
justme123
Like, that's the definition of segregation. We are a lot more alike than we make it out to be, there are just a lot of assholes.
MrFancyPanzer
When I was a scout there weren't boy or girl scouts, the genders were separated to a degree though and led by a member of their own gender.
DamnedAustin
Did the downfall of modern society ensue?
MrFancyPanzer
Not really, but I did have a really bad stomach ache at a scout gathering once.
kantaloupe
Things are different in the US.
Groznek
The question is...why?
kantaloupe
I think it has to do with scouting coming here fairly early. I remember a quote about the founding of girl scouts that went a bit like,(1/2)
kantaloupe
(2/2) "Girls aren't allowed to run, or even hurry, swim, or shoot, so they couldn't participate in any of the Boy Scout activities."
Groznek
Seems a bit weird to keep it that way though. Gender roles in general have relaxed since then.
kantaloupe
True, but because of that we now already have these separate setups, and neither organization wants to be absorbed by the other.
SaitamasFist
Exclusivity for females, integration for males. Every single time. Males are never allowed anything for themselves.
JohnDillingersPenis
Where's our brunch amirite?
SaitamasFist
Shit, I'm always down for brunch.
BookerTheBookkeeperHooker
Things are only exclusive for women cuz men dont want to join them
DamnedAustin
If girls were allowed in the same institution, it would just be "The Scouts". The Girl Scouts wouldn't need to exist separately. As for (1)
kantaloupe
Just for the record, there is a coed scouting group in the US under the umbrella of the BSA (for ages 13-21). It's called Venture Scouts.
DamnedAustin
And without doing even a quick bit of research, I feel confident in assuming that they're doing just fine.
kantaloupe
As somebody who worked with them at a scouting camp, they're pretty okay. Some drama, but not as much so as the staff at the cub camp.
DamnedAustin
"Males are never allowed anything for themselves" that is the most blatant bullshit I've ever heard in my life. Are you living under a (2)
DamnedAustin
fucking rock? (3/3)
SaitamasFist
Look up how many male-only colleges there are. Then do female-only. I think you'll find you've been under a rock, my friend.
DamnedAustin
http://oobgolf.com/content/fore+play/1-6101-A_list_of_the_remaining_allmale_golf_clubs.html
DamnedAustin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_colleges_in_the_United_States
SaitamasFist
Three non-religious institutions. Thank you for proving my point! :D
emmargerd
Do you understand why female only colleges exist dude? It's cause men wouldn't let women attend regular colleges.
JamesProton
Except that's not an issue anymore. So your point is?
SaitamasFist
Oh, and there are almost no male-only institutions left, btw. Integration forced on all of them.
SaitamasFist
And now integrated colleges exist. Everywhere. Why does the YWCA exist if the YMCA allows women and YWCA doesn't allow men?
Caketarts
Girl scouts is all about business and marketing. Boy scouts teaches survival and nature. Girls could learn something from the boys
Caketarts
Meaning girl scouts should make some changes. Not that boy scouts should have to accept girls.....
myr14d
Since the organizations both cater to completely different activities, it seems it'd be better to have both organizations open to everyone.
TheOnlySon
Why the fuck does it matter? Why can't boy scouts just let girls join in as well? What legitimate reason is there to not let girls join?
ingelri
It's literally an organisation for boys. Demanding that girls gain entry into an explicitly boys club is just petty and sad gender outrage.
TheOnlySon
Except the two organizations teach drastically different things and some girls want to learn those skills as well.
MidiArbite
Because some time apart is good for both genders, and a lot easier on the leaders once they hit their teens.
Wastyvez
"Because it has boy in the title and there were only boys in my troup when I was young and I'm too set in my way to accept cultural change."
asm80dfa8sdfj
Why don't they both just merge? Both teach valuable skills that everyone should know, and you also get to interact with girls/guys! win/win
sadpersonissad
Given that the two organizations teach vastly different skills, it kinda makes sense to.
JamesProton
Then go in a change Girl Scouts, no need to recreate one. That's like saying you don't like current politicians so you create a new govt
emmargerd
I mean as a Girl Scout I really loved earning my childcare and my sewing badges, that's not reinforcing gender roles or anything lol
eskamobob1
I mean I got my textiles and gardening meritbadges
jtb1313
They have stuff like that in boy scouts too, it is your specific troop that matters
TheBufferkiller
People don't understand this and attempting to would kill their memes. Why aren't you thinking about their memes? Meme Lives Matter.
TheMomaw
Merge the two. "Scouts". Men should know how to sew & take care of babies; women, how to fix stuff and navigate.
Crazywelderguy
I believe that is how the scouting program is in the UK and India
TheBufferkiller
The BSA does teach sewing. None of them really teach how to care for children beyond what our weak health classes taught.
asm80dfa8sdfj
And both should know how to interact with the opposite sex
eskamobob1
thats why there are venture scouts (14-21). having both genders does add a level of complication though
asm80dfa8sdfj
Well, before that age I think it's much less of a problem, lol.
eskamobob1
I meant logistics wise. All one gender makes organizing leaders easier because you dont need to balance them
Blamblam101
Maybe girl-scouts should do the same stuff as boy scouts?
literallymike
And maybe they should just have a "best acting performance" category. Yep. Probably not likely.
Kierbear2g
maybe it could just be scouts
Blamblam101
Brilliant!
guyoninternet
I actually thought the all male environment of Boy Scout camps were really important for social development and male bonding.
Kierbear2g
Know what's probably better? Interacting with *all kinds* of people since *that's how the real world works*.
guyoninternet
That's an opaque way of looking at things. Boy Scouts was a place where a bunch of kids could feel comfortable and just have fun without...
Kierbear2g
There were girls in my scouts, there were no "social pressures" relating to being near girls because I wasnt raised like a fucking neckbeard
guyoninternet
Having to worry about the social pressures that come with mixed company at that age. Boys vs girls shit. But nobody gives a shit if young..
lifelessman
Venture crew is a co-ed organization that operates like the boy scouts (as in they actually go camping)
vintagevix
Yup, our's did a lot of int'l travel as well, though I missed out on the Kandersteg trip.
freckledkink
Girl scouts actually go camping. It's where I learned back packing, primitive camping, all kinds of cool stuff.
davernow
"There's a great water fountain over here" still isn't a good argument to not let someone drink from one based on race/gender/etc.
jppv86
+1 for Venture Crew mention.
leekyfaucet
Is there something similar for younger kids?
RockStrongo24
Venture Crew is the best, left Scouts to join, best move ever!
junior5
As an Eagle scout I would have done Venture. All the same opportunities and more for men and woman
TicoGuy
In my Country scouts are Co-ed it was always weird to me to see Boy and Girl Scouts. But I see you have the alternative.
mattyoclock
I may have done the freak nasty with venture scouts when they went to my camp
eskamobob1
venture scouts are allowed to do way cooler shit than boyscouts as well
McChaseFace
Did 2 years of cub scouts and did nothing cool. 1 month of venture scouts and went on a sweet ski trip.
Yacobs21
I don't know if the Boy Scouts of Canada has Venture though
AralFayle
Can confirm, did three years each of Cubs, Scouts and Venturers
Radlord
Venture Crew was the best. Did it as a counselor at a BSA camp. So much coed fun as a 17-18 yr old
ButtersakaProfChoas
Girl Scouts actually go camping.
BitchybutHonest
It all comes down to the leader of the troop and preferences of the parents of the Scouts
CongratulateMeCongratulateMe
Some do. My troop went tent camping. Other local troop went shopping in NYC.
FluffyPuddles
We did 1 lame cabin camp & lock-ins. My brothers had real skill building activities and greater opportunities from achieving eagle scout.
ButtersakaProfChoas
You had a terrible troop leader, I'm sorry.
FluffyPuddles
Maybe, I don't know. What I listed were regional GS activities.
FluffyPuddles
Ours was good for "girly" girls, not for scouting girls.
AllThatGlittersIsGoldBond
Yup, I have a boy scout card and everything
jurassicfantastic
Girl scouts suck though selling cookies is so stupid I want to be in the woods
GetSchwifty
Yours doesnt do that? My sisters were in girl guides and they went camping. I got to go because me mam chaperoned. I got a tick in my undies
ijustwantausernamethatisnttaken
Yeah Girl Scouts sucksssss. My brother always had such cooler projects. I always wanted to be a Boy Scout .
Keiliana
When I was a girl scout we went camping all the time and all kinds of outdoors stuff. Even learned how to change tires too
WraithTDK
So why not lobby girl scouts to be BETTER?
puffinsrmybag2000
So instead of getting rid of boy scouts change girl scouts
CornHuskerTexan
So be a boy scout and sell popcorn instead
EllipsThis
I was in multiple GS troops when I was little. There's a BIG difference in troop activities depending on troop leader and group dynamic.
EllipsThis
One was all about cookie sales, another did a bunch of camping and cultural trips, another was all about arts and crafts.
Gawky
we just have "scouts" in my contry, for both girls and boys....
HumptyDumptyWasPushed
I want to be a Swanson.
LincolnSiixEcho
Yeah but I want that Swanson puppy party mix though
RaisinZetaJones
She's part of Scouts Canada. She could join the Royal Canadian Army Cadets and do all the cool survival shit, play with guns, get a water-
RaisinZetaJones
proof parka that isn't actually waterproof, steal cammie jammies from the QM, AND get reservist time after 16 years old. Totally co-ed.
thingamajig1987
Why not petition to improve girl scouts?
daltonlmn
There is a coed form of boy scouts called venturing scouts. They get to do some things boy scouts don't because they start at age 16 and 1/2
daltonlmn
Go until age 21. 2/2
feeltheice
Well then they also have the Venturing program
ThisIsWhyIDontTrustPeople
At least people want your cookies. No one wants that damned over-priced popcorn.
FelixTheAnimator
Tomboy scouts please. :(
xxjabberwocky
When I was a girl scout we went camping and hiking about every month. Gave us swiss army knives when we were 8. Guess I had a good troop
zombiesummon
Venture Scouts
FelixTheAnimator
Like SERIOUSLY. No, I don't want to spread peanut butter on a pinecone and dip it in birdseed! Where's the campfire?!
tinybartender
This is the Pawnee Rangers vs. the Goddesses all over again. Just be a Swanson.
cjdunham
I went camping all of the time. And we built an awesome tree-house and were allowed to sleep in it
TheBorzoi
Selling cookies is just child labour.
NoSleepTilBrooklyn
I was in the Girl Scouts about 30 years ago. After spending an evening sewing potholders, I was done.
CirclejerqueDuSoleil
Why can't we just call them cookie scouts and popcorn scouts? That's all that matters anyway
OriginaIPoster
I was a Boy Scout, we sold popcorn. It wasn't fun
nipplepanties
Venture scouts is co-ed. Stops at 21, because you're a damn adult.
finallystoppedlurkingonimgur
For me, selling the cookies were fine, it was just the activities sucked. Wilderness skills would be a great addition for girls. Something
finallystoppedlurkingonimgur
(2) you might actually use. Build a fire... pitch a tent, just learning resources to survive.
hoofbeatsandsnowflakes
I did all that in Girl Scouts. It really depends on where you live
RaptorVag
We did stupid shit, like pet rocks, making crafts, and other crap. I wanted to what the boy scouts did, no surprise I was asked to leave...
fuckcats
boyscouts sell popcorn. and girlscouts go camping
ResetButton
Venture scouts is a co-ed high adventure troop. And we had some pretty adventure-focused GS troops in my area (and some less so)
CorgiCircus
Venture Scouts: its a coed unit of the Boy Scouts for kids 14-20
thefuckwouldiwantacaravanthatsgotnofuckinwheels
venture scouts
HeroinBob
My wife volunteers for GS and nobody has been signing up for the outdoors stuff. sucks
ViktorKovacs
then the movement needs to be reform of the girl scouts
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
Exactly.
lexijean
I went to camp as a girl scout, a week in the woods. Sold cookies to earn cookie dollars to pay for it, parents were poor and couldn't.
SerialKitten666
In Canada, we have girl guides and just "Scouts" for reasons like this...
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korntassel
The wording on their websites sucks too. BS web talks about adventure and skills, on GS web "giving back to the community, arts and crafts"
MouseShadow
I helped out (because I was CPR certified) with a Girl Scout group that went camping, horse-back riding, etc.
JoeBobBriggs
THAN CHANGE THE GIRL SCOUTS YOU IDIOT!
CalicoChris
Some boy scout troops don't do the wilderness to that extent, and some girl scout troops do
EClaire1073
My sister was a GS and they did tons of outdoorsy stuff.
ChewyChewbacca88
I mean.. Scouts in the U.K. Is both... then you have cubs and beavers and rainbows or brownies.
maxxra
Adventure Scouts.
fairybug
Then why not fight to change the dumb sexism within Girl Scouts than try to take away one of the few havens young boys have left?
Stratego89
This.
flyingmonsters
This!
SerialKitten666
In Canada, the boy scouts are just scouts(co-ed) and the boys are doing fine. Trust me, any boy in scouts NEEDS the female interaction lol
RefAtty
Well, the jamborees would have been hella more interesting
c0smicj0ker
Here's a thought. Let's just let kids fucking mingle, play, and learn together regardless of gender at a young age. Future will be brighter.
ResetButton
There's no denying that there will always be a charged dynamic between men and women, and being away from that can be a good experience.
TheActualDonKnotts
You mean like they do every single day already?
feeltheice
Because nobody knows that the boy scouts have a venture program already that's for boys and girls
shire14
Only you have be at the least 14 years old to join that or to start a crew. And crew can suck too if you get shitty leaders.
fairybug
I do. I was in Girl Scout and Venture Scouts. Girl Scouts fucking sucks.
shiftingillusion
Havens from what? Learning to interact as equals with females?
caboops
Getting away from their hormones to actually learn helps.
OhSoEnglish
wth? You cannot "get away" from your hormones. That's not how it works.
caboops
Pardon my colloquialism, I'll simplify it for you. Little boys try to impress little girls, and won't learn knots when they have the option.
ResetButton
When you get boys away from girls, some boys will be friendlier, less likely to posture, or less distracted
ResetButton
When I hang out with a bunch of dudes, there are many dynamics that are different, hormonal/sexual being one dynamic
fairybug
As a gal: learning to develop as a person without thoughts of sex. Girls need this, too.
ResetButton
Males especially benefit from an environment of being platonically cared about by others. Many boys fall through the cracks for that lesson
SnarkyScience
Yeah though tbf as a gay dude...
fairybug
That, I have no answer for. I can only speak (as much as any individual can) for the 96% of the planet that is hetero and cis.
Bootohfoostoe
Then ask your dad and brothers to take you camping. Boy Scouts is something different and important for boys.
Imwaytoobadwithchoosingusernames
My dad sucks at this outdoorstuff. why would it be wrong to learn that somewhere else? &what makes it so special that it cant include girls?
Bootohfoostoe
It's important for boys how to learn how to become men and fathers from their fathers and peers so they can cultivate strong families.
Bootohfoostoe
To include women into this one particular male right of passage would take away from the boy's experience of it.
Bootohfoostoe
Fathers and sons bond together with other fathers and sons and boys learn lessons to become good dads and raise strong daughters.
Imwaytoobadwithchoosingusernames
I don't even want to explain to you, why this is sexism
Bootohfoostoe
Girls will not grow up to become fathers. A strong father is such an important role in our human society. Boys become fathers.
Bootohfoostoe
It is sexism by definition. It's important sexism. Do not make the mistake of neglecting boys who are 50% of this worlds population.
korvazor
That's why I hated it, you were either peddling cookies or singing to old people and I wanted to be hiking and fishing and building stuff
BobaFettBobaFettWhere
Should have been a guy
DerangedMaango
I want a 1-mana 1-health minion called cookie peddler
fuzzyfalloutatthedisco
And you always HAD to sit criss-cross- applesauce
theFIRSTroman
Then shouldn't the push be for a change to the girl scouts and not the boy scouts???
SidJorgenson
THANK YOU
RoseTheSpecialEdTeacher
Or just change it to Scouts amd not "boy/girl". Just stock everyone together.
Chimichanga007
But then the devil could give them impure thoughts
jewelz996
Depends where you live. I did a winter shelter building in -15F weather and slept in it. Girl Scouts
codiesm55
Then they should change Girl Scouts
NOINOON
Maybe just have goddamn scouts without gender separatiob like the rest of the world.
JackofShadows51
We had venture Scott's which allowed girls, but it was for a little older crowd because the trips were riskier than regular Scout's.
Justiceforbradswife
You do not want teenage girls and boys mixing... Doesn't let to good things.
BobaFettBobaFettWhere
Lots of people want kids to learn separately so they aren't under pressure all the time--see all boys/girls boarding school. I loved it
zachwhack
That depends a lot on your specific Pack leadership
theangryquokka
true! i learned how to change a tire, check the oil, went camping/hiking... and sold cookies :)
jurassicfantastic
Yea my dad was the boy scout scout master and they always did cool shit meanwhile the girlscouts were lame as hell.
Marbra89
Both of my parents were scout leaders. So it was more or less the same, all the fun stuff. From Norway so the nature is gorgeous also.
zachwhack
Norway's nature is gorgeous. What an extreme understatement! I have seen pics, unfortunately never visited, yet. I have traveled a bit,
Dokramuh
So basically everything was equal in equality country.
regnulify
My wife is taking her young girl's troop camping this weekend and the older girl's troop is going along for camp counselor training.
zachwhack
Exactly!
thedukeofzill
It sounds like a misconception that they only peddle cookies and such. Boy Scouts do fund raising as well.
thedukeofzill
I will totally agree that it probably depends on the troop. I've heard of girl scouts going camping and all sorts of stuff as well.
SnoozerHappy
I don't understand why you didn't join the regular Scouts then...
AnonymouslyGratifying
Boy scouts sell stupid popcorn kernels.
DemSumBigAssRidges
We sold fertilizer. We literally sold shit. Door to door.
fairybug
Yes, but it funds kickass activities. Girl Scout cookies fund fingerpainting, if my experience tells anything. Girl Scouts need to change.
AnonymouslyGratifying
Must be a regional thing because we didn't even do that in brownies...I remember camping and pissing myself in my sleeping bag.
fairybug
My den-mother's idea of a hike, I shit you not, was to walk to the end of her driveway and back. I live in fucking Texas.
AnonymouslyGratifying
Holy crap, that's horrible. I'd literally take pissing myself while camping over that experience. :/
tornadosandwich
Boy Scouts don't have a unified thing they sell. My troop just sold Christmas wreaths and only around Christmas, obviously.
mcsqueaken
I was a girl scout, and my troop went camping every month or so... even in the winter. You just need to get a not shitty GS leader.
RadissonFireDerpartment
I spent more time in the woods on my own, or with my old man than I ever did in BS. Stupid tech junky scout masters.
TheActualDonKnotts
Yeah, this. When I was in Boy Scouts there was a Girl Scout camp about ten miles away that had exactly all the same activities as our camps.
mcsqueaken
its hard to find good leaders, but there are some gems out there. My troop did a lot. We had a blast.
zachwhack
As a Cub Master, nothing would be more distracting to a bunch of 7-11 year old boys than a bunch of girls. This shouldn't even be an issue.
TheLastBeerBender
Why do we let boys near girls ever?
Wastyvez
This is literally the argument people used against co-educational schools half a century ago. Nothing more than ultraconservative bullshit.
moxymox
As a fellow Cub Master, I'm sad that this backwards viewpoint is getting positive recognition.
zachwhack
Backwards viewpoint?
HypnagogicHallucinations
*11-121 year old boys
TheDanishInquisition
little bit broad there, don't you think?
HypnagogicHallucinations
11-119?
WhyDontICare
In the UK (you know, the place where the Scouting movement originated) girls have been allowed to join Beavers, Cubs and Scouts since 1991.
HydroSqueegee
My boys are both scouts in the states and my daughter is a girl scout. The boy scouts is a much better program after being part of both.
Beholdthewang
I mean of course they should be allowed to join the Beavers but the cubs and scouts come on.
SnoozerHappy
What is the problem? I don't get it.
Kierbear2g
When I was in scouts, absolutely no part of it had to do with my penis. There was no reason girls couldn't or shouldn't join.
WhyDontICare
Really? You mean your Scout troop didn't have regular penis inspection days? How did you learn how to clean it thoroughly?
Kierbear2g
Your mom did that for me with her tongue. Cleaned my ass that way too.
DamnedAustin
If the purpose of the Scouts is to teach young people skills that will make them better adults, I absolutely fail to see how keeping them(1)
DamnedAustin
separated from the opposite sex. As though they will go the rest of their lives in a male-only environment. (2/2)
FerrousBuehler
Boy scouts doesn't teach that.
adrizen
The Boy Scouts don't teach every goddamn adult skill. You want them to learn how to eat pussy too?
filthytank
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Mike-Tyson-clapping-and-laughing.gif
dontcallmeplath
As a female, yes. Somebody need to teach y'all.
airstrike
REKT
nightmaretaco89
I don't think tying knots and survival skills really set the tone for their future. Teen pregnancy however....
DamnedAustin
If you think that tying knots and survival skills are all the scouts do, you have a LOT to learn.
nightmaretaco89
I was a girl scout, my son & daughter are in scouts. Obviously there is more, don't get butthurt because I generalized for 140 characters
FerrousBuehler
Ok, you named 2 of the hundred things they teach. Can you name any more of them?
nightmaretaco89
I was a girl scout, my son & daughter are in scouts. Obviously there is more, don't get butthurt because I generalized for 140 characters
zachwhack
Um, yeah. They have the rest of their lives to be in a co-ed environment. The org. is called "BOY Scouts of America" pretty simple, really.
DamnedAustin
So your reasoning is "It hasn't changed, so it cannot change"
FerrousBuehler
It doesn't need to change. They already made adventure scouts, a co ed program so leave the BSA the fuck alone
zachwhack
Besides that, their schools are co-ed already. This is an 1 1/2 hr a week that is just Boys. Have you done any scouting?
DamnedAustin
Yes. I was a scout for over 10 years.
caricaturepuppy22
You realize they're in school 8 hrs a day with girls right?
onesidedsquare
yeah get'n clucked by a women teachers, boys need good male role models in their life just like girls do
Ulthirm
Yes but in school generally you sit and listen. In bs youb work with others, talk, move and enjoy your self. It would be distracting, bad or
Kierbear2g
No it wouldn't
Ulthirm
Good though I couldn't tell you.
SerialKitten666
In Canada, we just have Scouts and our little boys have no issues with the girls, something wrong with young american boys, then?
Ulthirm
Naw, it may just be a good distracting. Like having a friend that you enjoy being with. That's a good distracting. Vs like a bully or stress
Ulthirm
Causing you not to be able to focus.
SerialKitten666
Was in scouts for a decade and the boys and girls weren't distracted by each other at all. Much less so than in school.
davosonion
They don't even do the same things. Girl Scouts are boring and Boy Scouts do cool shit. Make it a little more similar then.
AllottaFagina
It all depends on who the Den mother is. There are wilderness badges girls can get if the Den mother is in to that stuff
beargrin
My boy scout troop was terrible. I got to carve one thing out of soapstone and roast marshmallows with people I didn't like.
BigAZNMan
Depends on your troop. We didn't do too many cool things.
caunphety
Yeah they should make Boy Scouts shittier
Bundacious
Fucking get involved then. Make it cool for girls to do. It's called boy scouts FFS!
Maldarona
I liked my girl scout experience, we shot bows and canoed and shit, was rad
SucksToSuckNerd
As someone else said, change what you don't like about Girl Scouts, get parents more involved in planning, but don't take away one of the
SadSpaceMan
Changing something on that scale is nearly impossible. It would require a massive movement.
thisguy79
Changing the girl scouts to better reflect what the girls want is too much so force the boy scouts to change? That makes no sense.
SucksToSuckNerd
last safe havens for boys because you don't like how one organization is run. Or join the co-ed Venture Scouts or Sea Scouts. This is just a
Kierbear2g
Safe haven? Are you scared of girls, you little fucking baby?
SucksToSuckNerd
case of bitter people seeing something nice they can't have. Or misguided politics. Either way, it's awful.
feeltheice
Venture scouts then. Not Boy Scouts
mathematigal
The venture program is aimed at an older demographic of outdoorsy folk; was 15+ compared to BSA/GSA's 11+ if I recall correctly
reijigin
That's a Boy Scout program. They let in girls, but it's only for kids over 14, so not an option for the younger kids anyway.
minepagan
They only let in older kids because they do the cooler things; most of the 'cool' Boy Scout activities (like spelunking) need you to be 14+
reijigin
I dunno man, I think knots are pretty cool
KrazyAmigo
Every time this comes up I mention this. All the girls that wanted to do cool shit with the boys growing up joined venture crew in our area
JustAFemaleEngineerTryingToChangeTheWorld
I was in girl scouts for 13 years, it is what you make of it. If you want to to camping and learn to fish, they have options for that. It's
JustAFemaleEngineerTryingToChangeTheWorld
not just selling cookies and learning to see, though I did enjoy those bits as well. Girl Scouts focuses on creating independent, self-
JustAFemaleEngineerTryingToChangeTheWorld
sufficient girls/women. I learned how to change a tire & my oil, how to do first aid and survive camping, how to kayak and ride horses.
JustAFemaleEngineerTryingToChangeTheWorld
It was a great experience for me.
asm80dfa8sdfj
Awesome! I'm curious about your username. Do you have any goals for changing the world, or is it currently an aspiration?
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
It varies WILDLY by troop, while boy scouts more consistently do cool things. We moved a lot when I was a kid and my brother and I were
AllottaFagina
You had good leaders. I would've loved to do that stuff. My Den mother in brownies just wanted to do fashion shows and their idea of camping
MoaConstrictor
I was in beavers and cub scouts, and it doesn't sound like the focus is that different in the girl scouts, but you def get what you put in
kantaloupe
That is the actual reason the Girl Scouts was founded. I don't know whether that should affect the decision or not, but it is the reason.
afterdinneromelets
My issue is that girl scouts don't really do anything. They sell cookies and braid hair and shit. I wanted to build fires and go camping.
kantaloupe
Some girl troops do really awesome things, some are utter shit. Girl troops can get away with being a lot lamer, but they don't all do so.
FINISHTHETITLE
That's really accurate. We practiced domestic skills and sold cookies in one of my troops, and then did horseback archery in the other. 1/2
FINISHTHETITLE
It 100% depends who the troop leader is but the activity books for leaders have mostly lame shit in them. GS gets away with being lame
afterdinneromelets
That's fair. The troop I was in was utter shit. I didnt even stay past the Brownies. But I had friends who really enjoyed it.
kantaloupe
I was in a bad boy troop before moving and joining a good one. It was a BIG difference, but I've heard the bad girls ones get much worse.
kennedyl94
im and eagle scout and worked at a scout camp with a girl who had her silver award in girl scouts. she agrees that the girlscouts sucked. 1/
defaulted
I think it depends on the community too. Our Girl Scouts were based largely on domestic skills and leaders never took us camping. But
defaulted
I know many women who grew up in GS and did cool stuff.
kennedyl94
they basicly did nothing. it was like baking and shit. boy scouts on the other hand is camping survival skills, life skills, etc. 2/
kennedyl94
I totally understand when girls want to join the boy scouts.
kantaloupe
(Not sure if you're done.) I'm not trying to say she should join GS instead, just that girls have wanted to join BoyScouts for a long time.
kennedyl94
no they haven't. the girls scouts(as an organization) has never made any effort to merge. not that the bsa made any effort either.
kantaloupe
But the reason it exists at all is that girls wanted to join scouts. They did then, and they do now.
Katalliaan
IIRC there's also some other scouting organization that doesn't care about the child's gender.
kantaloupe
If you're talking about Venture, that is coed, for ages 13 and up, and is orginizationally under the umbrella of the BSA. It's pretty cool.
kennedyl94
as the other guy said venturing, but it's not very popular. so you have a hard time finding a crew to join or members for the crew you make
kantaloupe
I actually have kind of a chip on my shoulder because I never managed to find a crew. I wanted to after getting my Eagle in BSA.
DeathToSwans
In Canada they are the Girl Guides, not Scouts. I didn't know they were called Girl Scouts in other places! Neato.
AnHonestLiar
In many parts of Ireland the girl guides is an entirely protestant gig, but Tbf if you're not from Ireland you mightn't get the significance
eskamobob1
they are in the US, but they suck compared to the variety of shit the BS does. They are also run pretty horridly...
DeathToSwans
Ah I see. That's too bad. I don't know about it here but have never heard of issues.
eskamobob1
yah. Basicaly they dont have the level of organization the BSA does and vastly restrict their groups
PrincessCimorene
This was not my experience in the scouts at all. It depends entirely on your troop leader. Mine was amazing.
eskamobob1
plus a troop only get $0.36 a box of cookies they sell. Over all, they are run like shit. We do have venture scouts though
kantaloupe
They were originally founded in Scotland as Girl Guides after the founder met with Lord Baden Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts.
eskamobob1
Scotland has their own version of the boyscouts as well.
WhyDontICare
Scotland? Where did you get that from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Guides#History
WhyDontICare
https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/about-us/what-makes-guiding-special/our-history/
kantaloupe
The only information I could find that was more specific than, "The UK," was about Juliette Gordon Low forming a group near her home in(1.2)
kantaloupe
(2/2) Scotland in 1911 before she moved back to Georgia in 1912.
WhyDontICare
Oh, you were talking about the GSOUSA being founded. I thought you meant the Girl Guides themselves.
DeathToSwans
Well thank you kantaloupe. As a historian I appreciate the history lesson :)
MissSiesta
But their focus is different, though. Girls are selling cookies. Boys learn actual skills.
tlw65
Girl scout leader for 13 years. My girls could outdo any boys troop every time... don't be a sexist asshole
KyleBeach
It's not being a sexist asshole, it's the reality of the two organizations. The BSA has requirements for things like camping and certain
KyleBeach
survival skill lessons and such, so they will do these, at least a few times, by default. The GSUSA doesn't really have that so anything you
KyleBeach
had your troop doing that was considered "boyscout" stuff, was above and beyond so good for you. But realistically, you have more men who
JustAFemaleEngineerTryingToChangeTheWorld
So so so not true. Sauce: I was a girl scout for 13 years. We did "boy" things too, not just selling cookies.
FINISHTHETITLE
It just depends what troop leader you have, I was in a few troops and 80% was knitting hats and selling cookies. I had one awesome troop
kantaloupe
(Also, I think selling things is much more of a useful skill to most people nowadays than wilderness survival.)
leodavinci1
Wait until the sooner or later (and probably sooner than you think), eventual collapse of civilization.
infernalspectre
See BSA has a very centralized and achievement based system. Girl Scouts is much less of either of these. Plenty of GSUSA troops go (1/2)
infernalspectre
And do all sorts of awesome outdoorsy stuff. It's very troop specific. Also there's a thing called Venturing which is co-ed and super 2/3
infernalspectre
high adventure. They get to do stuff that boy scouts don't. (Shoot bigger guns, etc) 3/3
MNM5701
As an eagle scout I can tell you that boy scouts do that stuff too, at least my troop did.
kantaloupe
I don't know why there's this stereotype that girl scouts don't camp and boy scouts don't fundraise. I sold a lot of popcorn in the BSA.
rachelkoey
I don't see anyone saying boys don't fundraise. I see them saying that they don't EXCLUSIVELY peddle popcorn/cookies.
rachelkoey
And my girl scout troupe never camped, but they sure pushed those cookies and made butterflies out of thumbprints.
KyleBeach
Tbh it depends on the troop and the leader. Alot more guys are inclined to take the boys camping than the ladies are to take the girls. Plus
kantaloupe
(2/2) There was also a girl scout troop that let us use their campsites when they weren't. Some groups just suck either way.
kantaloupe
Sounds like you got a lame troop. There was a boy scout troop in my town that only went camping once a year for rank requirements. (1/2)