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This is Michelle Carter and Conrad Roy.
Conrad Roy, who was battling with depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts, was seeking for help but instead was encouraged by his narcissistic 18-year-old girlfriend Michelle Carter to finish the business.
When Conrad started to worry about the consequences of his suicide, Michelle promised it's not a big deal. "Everyone will be sad for a while, but they will get over it and move on. They won't be in the depression," she wrote.
The following is the conversation between the two that led up to Conrad's death.
Several times Conrad hesitated, deep inside screaming for help, but Michelle was determined to be a grieving girlfriend getting all the attention she craved for.
“Always smile and yeah you have to just do it [suicide],” wrote Michelle when Conrad had doubts. “You have everything you need. There is no way you can fail. Tonight is the night. It’s now or never.”
Later that afternoon, the conversation continued
5:08 PM, Conrad returned from the beach and wanted to back out
6:25 PM, the last message was sent
After the exchange of these messages, Michelle left her house and talked with Conrad for 43 minutes. According to the court documents, at some point during that call, Conrad got out of the car because he got scared, but Michelle told him to get back in. His body was found in his pickup truck after his parents reported him missing.
On the day of Conrad's murder, Michelle was already seeking for attention on Twitter: "Such a beautiful soul gone too soon." A little later she added: "I'll always remember your bright light and smile. You'll forever be in my heart, I love you Conrad." She even organized a suicide prevention fundraiser in his name. When the allegations of involuntary manslaughter were laid out, her Twitter account disappeared. You can still see some of it using The Internet Archive.
This is the first time such a case has ever been tried worldwide. She’s now 18 and is being prosecuted as an adult, charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Michelle's parents Gail and David deny their daughter had committed a crime.
I'm sorry if this is old news, this is not something that should be forgotten. As someone who has battled PTSD and Catatonic Depression for years, help is out there.
I made this video a looong time ago (I was fatter back then) to help those suffering and those to understand. I know it seems like the only way at times, but suicide isn't the answer. We're here 24/7 and you can always reach me if you need to do so. Godspeed, Conrad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTmpqqd4664
https://www.bizarrepedia.com/charged-with-suicide/
leftyshuckles
Charlie Manson never actually killed anyone, he always convinced others to do it.
CoolSnackChris
I feel sick. She took advantage of him. Fuck that bitch
Paxxian
Better still, don't. If someone does, it's pretty well guaranteed she'll report it as a rape for the drama factor.
SomethingWittyIDK
This girl is literally a monster, and won't get near the punishment she deserves.
puppiesincostumes
international suicide hotlines: http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html get the help you deserve!
CollegeDowntime
I actually called them 2 days ago.
totallymyfirstrodeo
Glad you are still with us! Reaching out can be hard. :)
andoconda
This is worse than Jason... screw you Michelle
dunecat1337
Like, Friday the 13th Jason?
EyePoker16
What a bitch.
zscope
I understand your feelings but I think that attention-needing cunt bag is more accurate
emertonom
For those of you saying "TL;DR": he was considering suicide, she went full shia labeouf on him.
MFdobbs
That's some of the sickest shit I've ever heard of. What the FUCK?!!
Dawnstempest
Must be nice to live that kind of sheltered life. There's a lot worse in this life, trust me.
suchsweetnothing
SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK
ZM34
Totally immature and prepared for downvotes but.... Jesus Christ her forehead is the size of the Milky Way Galaxy!
ChalupaBatmanMcArthur
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/29/13/292D860100000578-0-image-a-15_1432902005512.jpg And holy hell, what a punchable face
ZM34
Mmm ten outta ten would knock the fuck out faster then little Mac and glass joe.
Wombatfisher
Who let the Goomba in the court room?
luchie24
Oh god that picture reminds me of the scary face bilbo does when he sees Fred's has the ring
ZM34
It's disgusting knowing that she pushed the poor kid into suicide and he even backed out. All for attention. She deserves to rot.
Ivesaidtoomuchalready
I wish I could somehow go back in time and be a friend he clearly needed. Maybe she would dissappear who knows time travel can be tricky
ZM34
Youre not the only one. I wish we could all help him.
Ivesaidtoomuchalready
It's so very sad wrongs like this can't be put right, she could rot her whole life it would never erase the immense pain he must have felt
Kcoldsnow
Sometimes I wished I believed in hell, because there is no way she will ever get what she deserves on earth.
OneMoreRide
I like how you put this. My thoughts and feelings exactly.
Alltheusernameiwantarealreadytaken
"I'm almost there....." ....freaking shiver bumps 0.0
imablowfish
How many fucking times did this psyco say "so are you going to do it"? She needs to rot in prison.
Noamchompsky
Her reaction kinda paints her as less evil, and more batshit.
Paxxian
Nope. She's evil. Definitely, deliberately and rationally evil. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Noamchompsky
If that's true, his texts imploring her to kill herself with him makes him evil too. Otherwise, you're basing morals on outcomes.
fauxglove
I feel like this is an older story. Anyone have an update with whether or not she got what was coming to her?
thatonechickwiththethingthatonetimeatthatoneplacewiththestuff
Not yet
TimeFoDat
Next court date is October 2nd.
spoonman1343
theres another trial on oct 2. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyer-drop-charge-against-massachusetts-teen-in-encouraged-suicide-case/
MisssChanandlerBong
"brainwashed"...
Saywatenaou
Yeah, what the fuck?
foxiesinsoxies
Oh my god... The part about her messaging his mom saying she tried everything to make sure he didn't kill himself... So fucked up.
imjustaramblinggamblingman
I am so fucking angry right now. How DARE her act like she gave a shit (after the fact). I am actually shaking with rage right now.
JupiterJedi
I know the feels!!!!! Laying on my couch waiting for my uber..."Oh what's this? Let's read.." Aaaaand now I'm pissed the fk off.
imjustaramblinggamblingman
Thanks for making me chuckle. This is such a terrible story about possibly the worst subhuman, piece of shit I've ever read about!
MamaMandie26
How did they start to suspect her?
luchie24
True! If like to know that to? Maybe that searched his computer for a reason why he did it?
Dindlesmim
She bragged to a friend, and the friend reported her
MurderedByAFunkyColdMedina
Thank god for that friend. I keep my mouth shut for my friends but not murder or deliberately hurting someone. Fucking sad
spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccee
Why INvoluntary manslaughter? She coaxed him into it over several days. That was completely, deliberately, consciously voluntary.
RolfTheSonOfaShepard
I heard it was months I might be wrong though
jimmyriba
The prosecution has messages from a bit more than a week of pushing for him to kill himself.
Noamchompsky
Because if you try for a higher sentence and don't get it, you don't get a retrial for the same crime.
dunecat1337
Intent is a tricky thing to prove. Reading this it might seem obvious, but this isn't all the evidence.
RogueHimself
My heart was really pumping as I read this. I can't believe this actually happened. Brings me to tears :/
Mothergooch
I feel sick
imjustaramblinggamblingman
I know. I'm still shaking with rage right now
LovableTramp
I know. That was the hardest thing I've read in a long, long time. I don't know what this feeling is right now, but I don't like it.
MrSpanksworth
Reading these comments make me glad imgurians don't make the laws/punishments of criminals.
SquirrellyWhirly
Mob justice is a scary, scary thing.
TheNowBannedBecauseOfBullshitCommunityRulesChaoticNachos
I took the black beard keelhual approach
BoobDylan
It's understandable for people to be passionate about certain things. A lot of the time it's nothing more than giving vent to frustrations.
ThreeLordesLong
Hissing for justice through the forked tongues of your inner demons. Isn't life poetic.
bojangless
That was poetic af
spooglecraft
True, but tbh she's a fucking cunt.
Rifneno
Usually I'd agree, but this one deserves it. This cunt is just a monster, plain and simple.
thefurredreich
https://imgur.com/m2tFX.jpg
doberdork
She spent months coaxing him. Searched different ways to commit suicide on her HOME computer. Fully understand before you judge Us as wrong
MrSpanksworth
Rofl. I do fully understand, pitchfork mob justice is still wrong.
CanadianDrinkingMapleSyrup
Having been someone much too close to suicide much too many times, this is absolutely fucking disgusting. I didn't finish reading it, ...
MessageMeYourHamsters
I couldn't finish it either and I skipped many parts. I'm glad I had the people I had when I was thinking of Suicide.
calyxium
Don't finish it. It's not something you want in your head. I'm glad you're still alive, stay strong <3
CanadianDrinkingMapleSyrup
I knew I wouldn't have been able to sleep.
Yeetawh
This is some criminal minds shit
Challengedimgurian
Saturday night...I'm literally watching tons of episodes right now.
JonathanStorvick
It could honestly have been the plot of some fucked up horror movie and I wouldn't know it was based on a real story.
idunnogoddamwaterbottles
Like there was an actual episode where a guy convinced people to kill themselves this way
NiceLegsDaisyDukesMakesAMAAANOUTOFYOOOUUUU
I remember that! Some srs noep going on in that show. Like the Gardening Woman? Fuck me..
Muthdra
The Following is a whole series about this.
KelluvaKobra
I'm re watching it, can you remember the season and ep?
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
There was a similar episode of Sherlock
teh0khardic
Wasn't it the first one?
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CptApollo
Yes, thats what he is talking about
RepublicofTexa
My wife just discovered and had become obsessed with it. Its actually made me paronoid already . I was walking my son in the stoller 1)
RepublicofTexa
And this lady pulled up in her car asking if I've seen her dog, i started to step away from the stroller to hear her, then I remembered 2)
RepublicofTexa
An episode where a women creates fiversion to kidnap kid, step back and grabbed hold of the stroller
hotxbuns
My girlfriend tried to take her life today and all I can do is try to not take mine. This girl deserves everything bad to happen to her.
Wulfvee
I hope you both will be alright. Make sure she gets the help she needs, same to you. If you need to talk I'm here for you both
hotxbuns
Thank you very much. She's out of the hospital now and we're exploring treatment options for her depression. It's rough, but will be okay.
Wulfvee
I'm glad to hear! Therapy is a really big help. I'd also suggest on looking for every little good thing! Stay strong :)
TheNowBannedBecauseOfBullshitCommunityRulesChaoticNachos
im sorry no. that is voluntary manslaughter if i has my way ide tie a rope around her and throw her over the front of a boat the barnacles>
TheNowBannedBecauseOfBullshitCommunityRulesChaoticNachos
will tear her up
SourK
That's actually what being Keel Hauled is. So +1 for you.
mithiwithi
Maybe the prosecutor decided to nail her for sure on involuntary rather than take a chance on her walking on voluntary.
zkid10
I guess it won't matter too much anyway when/if she gets out of prison. Everyone is going to know about it by then, and shit will go down.
AstralBeast808
Does that stuff really happen? Go for a lesser charge because it has a better chance of sticking?
CPatricoo
Seriously that happens constantly especially on dubious murder charges. (Wife enables the killer kind of thing) It can depend on evidence
Repostradamus
That's how a lot of plea deals work. They'll take the guaranteed conviction on a lesser charge to avoid the risk of them walking free.
AstralBeast808
So then why not prosecute for the greater charge and have them take the plea deal anyway? They might not accept the plea deal?
Repostradamus
I'm no lawyer but I think most plea deals are offered before the DA presents their official charge. If they pursue a higher charge and 1/?
IamRevyn
All the time, it's how a lot of criminals walk away with metaphorical slaps on the wrists
AstralBeast808
Holy shit, that's kind of messed up. I don't see how that's fair. If they're not nailed for a charge bc of "severity", they should drop down
dunecat1337
But, who decides what the charge should be? Most defendants would insist on murder one because it's a lot harder to prove. Look at OJ.
LinkTheHeroOfWinds
Think of it this way. Would you go for something you are almost sure will stick, or do you go something that could have a higher chance
LinkTheHeroOfWinds
of simply letting her off the hook? It's unfortunate, but sometimes its a compromise that has to be made.
lavagablonde42
Ugh unfortunately you might be right.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
I believe the term you are looking for is "keelhaul".
OCPoster
I battle with depression myself, so i implore any imgurian who sees this comment, talk to me brothers/sisters. You are not alone.
wasabitheunicorn
I have never been diagnosed with depression, but I have had moments in the past where I have been feeling suicidal, and felt a strange (1/2)
wasabitheunicorn
(2/2) sense of numbness. Thankfully I've had less issues lately, but reading this story breaks my heart and I feel a huge amount of rage...
yellowhavok
The whole talking about it thing is nice, I myself make "friends" on wow and eventually build up to the point where i can talk about it 1/2
yellowhavok
Them, people like you are a really big help. 2/2
pretendingtobeokay
I'm also here for anyone who needs to chat. I'm five years since my suicide attempt and four years since my last self harm. PM me ❤
ImASexyUnicorn
Congrats! Stopping self-injury is one of the hardest things I've ever done, and I'm only about 1.5 years cutting-free.
pretendingtobeokay
You can do this. Stay strong! It gets easier with time.
ImASexyUnicorn
I have Bipolar II and I've worked in psych for 5 years. Battled anorexia, self-injury, addiction...if anyone needs to talk, I'm also here.
hatsiwatti
I have personality dissorder and have had anorexia/bulimia and addictions. I tried killing myself two times. Doing better now.
hatsiwatti
but that girl is sick... who would do such a thing
koopaya
I dunno. I'm surrounded by family but feel alone all the time.
westo48
I felt the same way for years, I love my family and to be 100% honest they saved my life!
Muttons1337
I grew up in a family of six. As big and close as we all were, I still felt like they were so far away. I know now that feeling was wrong.
OCPoster
Sometimes the people closest to us can feel the furthest away. It's good, i feel, to talk to someone from a place like this...
OCPoster
...because we are removed from your day to day life, and have no other reason to talk other than legitimate compassion.
LEEEERROYYYYmmmJENKINSSS
I'm the same, but I don't talk to my family much. I'm so alone.. It's tearing me apart.
mantono
Don't give up.
TheSwedishMoose
True loneliness is feeling alone even when surrounded by others. But having another lonely person to talk to can make all difference. PM me.
OCPoster
Do you see anyone professionally? It honestly helps some people.
OCPoster
Besides that there are a whole community of people in this post alone that you can talk to. Don't worry about bugging any of us :)
LEEEERROYYYYmmmJENKINSSS
I don't but I'm starting to think it's something I have to do. I've been trying to battle depression alone for years now.
the9man
Having lost my Son last year to suicide, this fucking sickens me.
WhyIsThisAGif
Having had thoughts of suicide myself, fuck her. I hope she rots in prison.
dumdumdeeday
Very sorry for your loss.
IFavoriteRandomUserSubPosts
I'm sorry about your son. This girl is evil.
the9man
Yes, she is.
pumpernicklelel
Sorry for your loss.
EyePoker16
Sorry to hear about your son :(
the9man
Thanks. I'm not after points or notice. I've fought hard this last year to help bring attention to mental illness and suicide, 1/2
the9man
and people like this girl need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Jdonkay
Agreed
the9man
Thank you.
prittililprinsis
having lost half of my closest friends, and nearly both myself and my partner, to suicide, this fucking sickens me
KeyLimeAnxiety
No parent should have to bury their child. I'm so sorry for your loss.
JonSnowForKing
being a human being, this sickens me. I can't begin to imagine how you would be feeling.
ShibiSF
I'm so so sorry for your loss. Yes, this girl and this situation is disgusting.
the9man
Thank you
notsosinisterkoala
I came close to losing my boyfriend to it. I'm so sorry about your son.
cheekysheikhy
This sickens everyone.. Sorry about your loss my friend
the9man
Thanks
ImASexyUnicorn
I am so deeply sorry. I can't imagine.
APotOfCoffee
I'm so fucking sorry man, I can't even begin to think how horrible it would be to lose a child, Stay strong bro.
the9man
I'll be honest; it's a hurt like no other, but I work hard now to help awareness. Thank you for your words.
doesit
Fuck, this hits home, I'm so sorry for your loss. This girl is a piece of shit, I am in disbelief that someone could do this
IAmTheHaHa
I give you my condolences.My heart goes out to you and your family
Djmachale1
sorry for your loss
beastbiles
:( sorry to hear that
Jdonkay
This is sickening. He was desperate for help and she coaxed him into making a huge mistake for her own benefit . W.T.F.
GrimRiderJ
Having lost no one to suicide this fucking sickens me.
the9man
Well said.
ChocolateWithRaisins
Great, you made me laugh. I wonder what hell is like
GreyPilgrim90
My dad took his life a year ago Monday. So yeah this pisses me off a hell of a lot
the9man
My heart breaks for you. I am in a great support group for Survivors After Suicide. It is a struggle every day, but we can do this.
RoseNoot
I am so sorry. Lost a best friend to suicide, and her mother has been so, so strong since then. She has been so good to me and so positive.
thespottedbunny
I'm so sorry for your loss
GiveMeCorndogOrGiveMeDeath
Blessings mama. My heart breaks for you.
the9man
Thank you. (I'm Papa though, but you made me smile)
UnrulyCactus
On January 21st of 2015, the only person that I ever truly trusted took their life via overdose. I have never been the same. I only hurt now
the9man
My heart breaks for you. I am in a great support group for Survivors After Suicide. It is a struggle every day, but we can do this.
the9man
...and since I'm here, I want to share my Son. (No points please. Just awareness.)
Pandageddon
Brought tears to my eyes. Parents are not meant to bury their children.
ThePlantSoiledItself
I can't imagine. I'm so sorry, we all care for you and thank you for showing us that handsome man. All respect to you my friend.
wallachia
but it's different when it's staring back at you, I guess.
wallachia
Eugh, he looks like a friend of mine. I know that's not what I should be taking from it, and I get that it happens to people of all stripes,
xochiluvr
The points aren't for you, they're because we want you to see that we care.
radioFREEmadras
Brilliant!
the9man
Thank you. From the bottom of my heart.
Lexsteel11
Well said.
BoobDylan
Your username really killed the mood for me, just saying...
marvelle
he was a hansome man. I can't even fathom such a loss. Thank you for sharing.
acunninglinguist
Sorry for your loss. I can't even imagine that kind of pain.
SummerGuineaPig
As a mother I can't begin to imagine your heartbreak. I'm so sorry.
sisterofslagathor
He was so handsome. I lost my dad to suicide but I cannot imagine losing my child. I am so sorry for your loss.
KingKendrickLamar
I attempted suicide about 2 years ago, I honestly can't bring myself to read this. Brings back incredibly painful memories.
the9man
Please continue healing. We need you and you are loved.
MastrBaker
Having tried suicide and being really glad I fucked up, I couldn't even read this.
IsThatAThing
Glad you're still here.
MastrBaker
Thank you.
lola73
She knew what she was doing. He tried to stop and she told him to stop being a bitch and get back in the car. She is a Murderer!!!!
ILoveyou5ever
What she is, is a murderer and a fucking cunt.
DoingMyKanyeBest
"involuntary" manslaughter.
Nandabun
Ain't nothing involuntary about this. This is straight up planned out.
ImASexyUnicorn
He clearly had a phase where he was struggling but appeared to be getting over it, she took advantage of someone in early recovery (1/2)
ImASexyUnicorn
If not for her, it seems incredibly unlikely that he would have done anything. She is a murderer, 100%.
zixcik
agreed, 1st degree murder. premeditated and planned. No fucking excuses from the da. none of this involuntary manslaughter bullshit.
redrovered
Agreed. As the girlfriend of a guy who had attempted suicide multiple times, I can't imagine actually encouraging someone. It's horrific.
lizwah
Unfortunately people do this. Some former friends kept trying to make me kill myself, told me I could at least finish the job next time etc
lola73
Note ZERO FUCKING REMORSE!!! http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/29/13/292D860100000578-0-image-a-15_1432902005512.jpg
Zxyphear
That's such a punchable face..
RoseNoot
This girl is clearly a cold hearted fucking murderer. She needs to be locked away from society.
papasmurf1118
Whether jail or an asylum, she does need to be seperated from society (potentially) forever
Dumbstatz
I know you shouldn't wish bad things on people but I hope she dies a slow slow painful death
Ullur
I did not know that a face exists that would, specifically, make me want to smash it in with a frozen fish. This is apparently that face.
Muthdra
http://img.huffingtonpost.com//asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/55ddbb0e1d00006e00145e4b.png
TheThirdBestAround
Believing that its acceptable to make someone commit suicide, then proceed to profit from it is over the fucking line. (End)
TheThirdBestAround
Im against many forms of aggression, and generally advocate for peaceful solutions, but this time, Im not. (1)
bane83
What a hideous cunt.
magisch
She will be having some when she rots in jail thinking about what got her there.
StoicJ
she likely wont if that is the case though. She will never feel bad for it and will probably make a life in prison
magisch
If we as society cant somehow convince her not to be a dickwad she will have to stay in there.
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
Ok, I think this woman is a deplorable human being, but I also think it's stupid to find a random trial photo and decide how she feels.
arghnard
I hope she becomes someone's bitch in jail.
iPretend
Has a case study been done on her? She's sick and horrible and all that shit. But I'd like to read a psych consult on her.
ImASexyUnicorn
IMO she's a sociopath. I've worked in acute psychiatric facilities for 5 years and this isn't mental illness, it's a sociopath.
sleete
Having met a few sociopaths, yes very much. Glad this one was dumb enough to get caught.
ImASexyUnicorn
That I'm thankful for, they're often quite intelligent which is fucking terrifying.
iPretend
Sociopathy isn't mental illness?
Xist3nce
It's not an illness as it's usually nonviolent. As a sociopath, I could care less about most people that aren't me, judgement works though.
ImASexyUnicorn
It's Axis II, personality disorder. It's not physiologically based. It's *technically* mental illness, but there's shit you can do about it
ImASexyUnicorn
That is NOT to say all Axis II disorders are not treatable, Borderline Personality can be (if caught early) but Anti-Social Personality...no
SomethingWittyIDK
She could totally be at Starbucks right now
AndIThinkToMyselfWhatAWonderfulWorld
Absolute cunt. I don't usually support the death sentence, but in this case I can't imagine prison being enough.
helgur
I don't get it. Why do people think the death penalty is the harshest penalty? You can't feel anything when you are dead. A life behind bars
helgur
Is much worse
Caitycakes93
Apparently she's went to her senior prom and on a trip to Disney land while awaiting her trial.... Absolutely no remorse.
lola73
they should look into her parents too.... a lot of this mentality is taught. It sickens me that she is being rewarded for horrible deeds
Caitycakes93
And the fact that neither her nor her parents think she did anything wrong is disturbing
lola73
told you. you are what you learn.
DarkUranium
So I am the powerhouse of a cell?
blitherypoop
If she's anything like someone I used to know who tried something similar,there's a chance she's mentally ill. This person was. Victim lived
blitherypoop
...and the one who tried it is a fairly normal adult now, with a clean criminal record. Internet wasn't much of a thing back then.
BeardKhan
Thats not an illness. Its a mental disorder at best, and it doesnt justify jack fucking shit.
blitherypoop
This person was ill at the time and probably should have been locked up. I'm not saying it's a justification, but it can contribute.
lola73
Pedo's, serial killers and rapist have something wrong with them too. Doesnt mean they shouldn't be charged and punished
BeardKhan
Oh well if theres an actual mental disease put in... Still wouldnt find any reason to lower the punishment.
ProbablynotaBear
Off topic, but she has a really big forehead. Kind of reminds me of these pictures http://imgur.com/67fzmRH
TheThirdBestAround
Underrated post here.
manofchemistry
That's a face I'd just love to punch until it's black and blue.
TheFirstMemberOfTheDKCrew
GAWD she has such a bitch face I want to punch
lola73
don't hurt your wonderful hands. Curb stomp that bitch!
TheNightJizzer
Well said!
railgap
Resting Bathory Face
CommanderDick
Fucking evil cunt. I wish I could get her alone in a room for 5 minutes. I don't give a fuck if she's a woman.
fortheloveofflowers
Don't bother yourself with shits like her. That's what they want, any type of attention. Any reason to play the victim. It's fucking sick.
lola73
Let the women handle that bitch. We can be very sadistic when we need. Plus we're good at getting blood out of things
TheNowBannedBecauseOfBullshitCommunityRulesChaoticNachos
eww
JumpingBalogna
I want to bitch slap and knock her the fuck out with that face.
BeardKhan
Normally i'm against torture.
lola73
Im not. Want to join
SushiPooper
Sure.
ImASexyUnicorn
I hope this fucking cunt rots in jail and then burns in hell.
OutdoorHuman
From the messages: agree. But I really dislike when people use a single image to characterize someone. It's a little groundless...
lola73
on top of that I looked through several photos from this hearing. She looks about the same in all of them.
lola73
I looked into her when I first heard about this last month. I researched. She is a horrible individual that told ppl he ran away and had her
lola73
friends delete her texts so that she wouldn't look responsible. (this was before he killed himself) this was premeditated.
OutdoorHuman
Yeah, that's what I got from the messages, too.
lola73
Anyone that's complaining that 1 photo doesn't proof she wasn't remorseful. Well a Picture is worth a thousand words, so heres another:
lola73
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/23/20/27E9961F00000578-0-image-m-57_1429818615265.jpg
VodkaReindeer
I'm confused. You think this picture you just linked shows her being not remorseful?
lola73
She has the same look as a person listening to a friend explain bedmas(aka math)
stoler202
Well if you show remorse, you show guilt, but I guess it's not the case here...
Stagnantnation
She looks like Yoda, so at least she has to live with that. What a piece of human refuse.
maxkm5st1
I honestly think she deserves life or death sentence.
lola73
There would be no question to this if she weren't a cute girl
Catdog94
She is a girl but definitely not cute. Ugly as fuck IMO
Havalyn22
I agree. She has a nasty stank face and absolutely no soul.
ImGonnaCrumb
lol that's cute?
lola73
nice hair, clear skin, and young... courts try to say people like her shouldnt be held accountable due to looking innocent.
ImGonnaCrumb
I hope that's a joke.
WesternerWithInternetAccess
She's kinda ugly --
TheCrustyMustard
Regardless of her looks she is an ugly person.
DinkIeberg
So I know logically it's wrong to kill a killer, and it makes me no better than them if I do. That being said, I want her fucking crucified.
lola73
Naw thats to kind friend. Her toture must be long, painful and drawn out
LoveSomeEarlGrey
Hot oil or the rack?
Popyseed11
...crucifixion is literally one of the worst ways to die.
Ryubahamut
So far.
Xist3nce
Oh no, to keep her alive would be the best thing. Just to make her torture the most painful thing. Life support torture is the best!
lola73
Oh hun, I don't want her to die. Death is too merciful. I want her to live a long life of complete torture and misery.
RaiXira
Lock her in solitary for max (20yrs in MA). Then let her go. She will walk into a completely new world with nothing, not even her sanity.
Popyseed11
Life in a North Korean gulag?
chikenuget
Let's just place her in a mental asylum for the rest of her life.
imjustaramblinggamblingman
What a cunt. Sorry for that word but it's the one that fits her best.
Rebar77
I'm not a meteorological-gynecologist but I know a Thunder-Cunt when I see one...
Suprdan
If you have a word that perfectly describes someone, you shouldn't feel sorry ;)
PunchViolenceInTheFace
Don't be sorry.
KawhiLeonardIsSenpai
people think it's okay to insult others by referring to human genitalia? what a bunch of dicks!
imjustaramblinggamblingman
I like the sarcasm. +1
MorningGlory21
Fully agree!
AerifiedVallah
cunts give pleasure, cunts are life ...i think insulting her is not worthwhile, i just contempt her, she's not worth any emotional feelings
imjustaramblinggamblingman
I wish I could do that because I agree w/u that she isn't worth getting all worked up over. I just can't. It fills me w/too much such rage!
lola73
Shes worse than a cunt. I want to tie her up give her a sun burn, rub a535 on the burn and force her to eat her own shit
imjustaramblinggamblingman
Wow that was descriptive! I love it!
lola73
she needs to know what its like to be her own victim. She was probably the kid that went around biting people & hurting animals 4 pleasure
imjustaramblinggamblingman
I couldn't agree more with u. I like that, "she needs to know what it's like to be her own victim." What an absolute soulless, subhuman cunt
thefurredreich
I'd sew her asshole shut and keep feeding her and feeding her and feeding her.
lola73
Ooooooooo nice. But insert poison oak up her butt first before sewing her shut
RobocopShootingDicks
Chipotle right?
lola73
*high five* hell ya
EyeLoveLamp
She should be prosecuted for first degree murder. This was premeditated psychological torture. She's a disgusting individual
dunecat1337
Then the burden of proof is much higher. Often charges reflect what the prosecution thinks they can prove.
EyeLoveLamp
I know, I was just quickly expressing my anger. Clearly she wouldn't be convicted of murder, but that doesn't mean she didn't murder him IMO
Knuddelbiest
Agreed. Although I understand that the American system works differently. :/
Xist3nce
Getting away with murder is pretty easy here if you know how to work life. Helps if you're female.
magisch
TBH I find that significantly worse then just murder. She tortured and killed him instead of just killing him.
lola73
Sadly because she did not treaten him with any physical harm and made sure not to be anywhere near, the worst she can get is manslaughter
NickRivieraMD
Most states have laws against anyone but a doctor assisting suicide for exactly this kind of reason.
AIRBORNEALLTHEWAY
I guess not..
AerifiedVallah
what's the worst she could get for that in her state ? hopefully she gets that
INoLongerCareBoutThisName
And max punishment. She pushed him, he wanted to back out
TheThirdKindofHeat
Probably involuntary manslaughter. Acting with a wanton or reckless disregard for the harm that could result from her actions.
thedevil
Prosecuted yes, first degree murder no. Not even close.
ChalupaBatmanMcArthur
ChromeBadger
This definitely fits in the category of first degree murder. What's your reasoning for saying no?
PoppinLochNessHopster
Someone could say this shit to me for years and I would be like "k" the dude was clearly already planning on doing it.
thedevil
Because in the end it was still suicide. Coerced suicide surely but she didn't physically harm him or kill him, she merry coerced him to
ballsohard2202
And by past rules I can definitely understand why it wouldn't be, but for the purpose of future cases, it could change things.
ballsohard2202
I don't think there's a precedence. Something like this could be argued into a 1st degree charge. With as forceful as she was...
eggmuffin
The weapon was Condrads insecurity and depression, and Michelle wielded it expertly.
Rantaf
You have a flare for drama. I legit thought of Cam from modern family. :)
caelinus
Mostly the reason for not prosecuting it as murder is because it is not murder. It is reprehensible, but under a different name.
caelinus
If they attempted to convict on murder, she would rightfully get off. It is like trying someone for shoplifting when they robbed a house.
basball6969
She did not cause the death of another, in any non-figurative sense
thedevil
Kill himself. Ergo first degree isn't likely. A jury will never convict on 1st degree. Better to go with a lesser charge and a higher
EyeLoveLamp
And I understand that, I was saying what I, as a logical human being, can learn from this situation. Which is that she shouldn't be 1/2
EyeLoveLamp
allowed to live in this society with her blatant disregard for human life. Didn't have time to go into the details yesterday.Was just pissed
thedevil
Understandably. But at the end of the day the law cannot reflect our feelings, only the facts.
PuckeredAnus
In my opinion this isn't even a crime as much as you want it to be. The first amendment is pretty strong guys.
EyeLoveLamp
I understand that there's a difference between what can be proven and what is blatantly true. Her actions, IMO, directly lead to his death.
LinkTheHeroOfWinds
Man you really don't know what that means do you?
thedevil
Eh, it transgressed into more than freedom of speech when she actively harassed him. That's the part that brings it into the realm of
thedevil
i would say there is a strong case for criminal indifference and manslaughter.
thedevil
criminal prosecution. I am the staunchest proponent of the 1st amendment but given that he left the car and she brow beat him into returning