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QueefMalone
The worst.
jimithing9
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TheOtherLucas
welcome to americaland. the themepark of poverty.
WireHairLongDoggie
sammyismycat
nclu
The glaring error in this metaphor is that it is the carnies running the show that are scamming all of the dart throwers, not the poor kids.
macthelost
This is easily the best way I’ve ever heard success explained.
Targe0
Because it's simple but inherently clear-cut.
malakit
Even statistics favor rich people. See: https://pudding.cool/2022/12/yard-sale/
coverider
... aren't the poor kids the ones holding the dart board?
RalphH
they are the board
WhatTheHellIsGoingOnBob
Poor kids need to learn how to skim the till!
Barrokin
There is another version of this where a teacher gives each student a piece of paper and ask them to throw it in the bin from where they sit
AshesVonDust
The poor kid (me) with the rich grandpa on the board who gets told to pick any prize for free, but refuses to pick a big expensive...
Prize because she's grown up conditioned not to ever ask for anything big.. My mom could not understand how I couldn't be persuaded
To get, like, a bike or a giant toy and instead clung to an inflatable plastic tiger on a stick. Like, mom, you caused this!
RVME
There is no middle class. It can't be defined by dollars, and that dream of owning things is dead. Go to another country to try.
poochyena
Please go outside
DexioVexio
"The ones who mention bootstraps never wear work boots"
Muunk
STOP THROWING DARTS AT ME!
UnhelpfulAnswers
No
hadtochangemyusernamecauseIgotdivorced
Username checks out.
DemSumBigAssRidges
I'm just here because I also choose your wife.
MrStealYourGiF
So, a modern Robin Hood, should crank out mediocre tech startups to sell to rich kids until they're all poor?
Too late, the rich con artists already do that.
disinformatique
Enter Twatter, Chief Twit bought it at 2X for 44 billion dollary doos.
SwankyPotato
goboltz
I've seen this Circus & most of you are "Clowns" ! !
LettermanAirsoft
I grew up as a kid in the dwindling middle class of the 2008 recession. A vacation every 5 years and new stuff at Christmas. I'm far luckier
Than a lot of people and am happy for the life that my parents worked so hard to give me.
TheVampireDante
Nah, the rich kids aren't playing, they just slip the stall runner some cash and pick a prize they want.
azimir
And then claim they hit the bullseye. Hire a ghostwriter for a book, then go on media tours about how smart they are to have hit the target.
sfrinlan
Even rich kids that aren't wealthy enough to do that are still wealthy enough to have enough tries to effectively achieve that
astromoondoggie
The rich kids can afford many throws, the really rich kids get to walk right up to the board and put the dart wherever they want.
RichardFenn
Because daddy's friend owns the carnival.
NickRivieraMD
also even just the rich kids get to throw, and then the guy running the game says 'great throw, you get a prize!' even if they miss.
sadurdaynight
By that same notion, even if a middle class kid hits the target, the carnival operator can make up shit and say they cheated. That 1/
happened to a lot of black business owners in the US during Jim Crow and such. Folks show up and take over their business, and the black 2/
person either goes along with it and becomes a "manager" or goes to jail over BS charges./
brassknucklenerd
Or, like Black Wall Street, the entire network of businesses gets burned to the fucking ground. Then rebuilt. Then redlined to death. 1/2
I had a job interview one time like this, through contacts. They were like 'you seem like a smart kid, you should do fine.' It floored>
me to see what it must be like for rich kids with connected parents. A world of difference.
adrianontherocks
You know what’s odd is I never knew I was a ‘poor’ kid until I hit my teen years. I had nothing to compare it to.
TheIceHorse
I make more money than my parents did raising us and am ‘middle class’ yet struggle to get food sometimes lol - the game is fucked.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
A lot of "poor" people around the world are blissfully happy because everyone around them is very much the same and no advertising to teach
them how miserable they should feel because they're not buying crap.
SkamanSam
fam came into some money one year and had a bountiful xmas. My brother got into a fight at school cuz he said santa must be real cuz we poor
dasklaus
I'm suddenly in a privileged environment and it's super weird for me. So many people with no concept of poverty & falling through the cracks
Eucrow
I never knew we were poor even tho my single mom made my clothes. There were other, poorer kids that got mocked for being "dirty".
SteepedGardenMrsChen
I'm happy for you! Probably saved some emotional trauma. No poor kid can escape it now with social media to compare his life to. ?
dakonsept
THIS.
lollersson
I have similar experiences. At university I met kids that were from very wealthy families - that’s when it hit me that I had less than them
Growing up.. On holidays they travelled and I worked. They had good computers and I had a cheap and slow one. They bought stuff - I worried
if my money will feed me until the end of the month.
astrangehop
Not eating food you've prepared or purchased is as ridiculous as 50s movies when they drive without looking at the road.
I ALWAYS eat my leftovers. Even if they aren’t appealing. Even though I can afford to throw them away now.
thediplomaticone
I knew we were poor when I had to explain the rules to games like “hide in the cornfield” to the friends.
I didn’t have a cornfield but I’m guessing that the game involves hiding in a cornfield, and another person has to look for you?
It was like The Predator movie if it was made with kids under the age of 10 with handmade spears. We just called it hiding to throw mom off
HumblePie42
Separating classes from directly interacting has always helped reinforce the system. If you don’t know you can’t complain
ArcaneConjecture
That shows the system is Working As Intended. Some with $500K in a retirement account actually think they're rich enough to be Republicans.
NarratesTheDarkerStory
Yeah, poor and mostly friendless. I did think my one friend was super rich. Sega Genesis, comic books, toys. Who lived that well?
TheFastpaws
My mom hid it from us very well. We were poor though.
BROpeep
Aye, looking back always makes me feel bad. The amount of stress and pressure that I unknowingly created just to "keep up" with friends
dart223
Thats a good parent tho. I made sure power was on, good food available, clothes that "fit in" but I worked way too much and missed alot.
Looking back i maybe should have been there physically more. I grew up poor so I wanted her not to be stressed out by worrying as a child.
Snooj
We weren't exactly poor but I knew we weren't rich because my neighbor got all the big Transformers and I got the microbots.
I did finally get Optimus Prime but he got Omega Supreme. It was always humbling.
Sensiblyinteresting
I grew up thinking we where well off because I had food and had a Sega and a bike. Hit high school and it became pretty apparent
It dawned on me on one particular night after I hit 36 years old.
dreikommavierzehn
I actually got shamed for "being rich" because I had a sega & computer as a teen. Nevermind I've been living on the bare minimum food and
My sister and I where the first children of our large extended family. That would usually mean family put in together and got us something
brink of homelessness for half my live
It also goes the other way. In my late twenties I finally saw how richer families live. Annual summer trips to France. 8 vacation homes…
Legit though you where going to describe the family from home alone for a minute
Where they have to take monthly vacations to check up and maintain their properties. Rich kids have seen some friends fall into addition…
Addiction* and that is how they went from rich to middle class. They then assume that is why poor people are poor. Then they make laws
binaryspike
I never thought about it that way but it makes sense ?
comacomacomacomachameleon
i knew i was poor when the lunch lady took away my food because i had a $2 debt for not paying
tzahtman
I wanted to make a funny comment but that really is just meesd up and infuriating.
kwyjiboner
Any place that takes food away from children is a failed state.
DiabloD3
We live in a fail state. Theres 350m of us trapped in this sinking ship.
Jatenffxiv
Same, it was fucking barbaric. The worst part is watching them throw the food away.
UseTheForceLuke
The most American thing I’ve read all day. That’s terrible, buddy, I’m sorry.
i still have nightmares about it 20 years later. It was fucking traumatic.
tantallous
And then they throw it away. No kid, gonna have to take that food and dump it in the trash instead of letting someone as poor as you eat.
ztygs
As it should be. Can't have "the poors" thinking their like.. Real people, that'd be terrible, they may get ideas of equality then.
Milkashake
some kids were rather poor, so as a gesture of kindness, other students collected money to buy them some fancy sandwiches in the canteen /1
(Dutch schools are different: It's more normal to bring your own lunch) when they "forgot" their lunch. The lunch lady gave the samdwiches/2
JustDumbCommentsAndCorrections
For the record, bringing your own lunch is extremely normal in US too. There's a whole industry for kids lunchboxes (or brown paper bag)
JaelitheKitty
My HS class started an everyday pool where people donated any money they could then we’d buy tons of food and those who had none could eat
and refused the money. The rector found out and gave the poor kids some "lunch cards" they could exchange for lunch. Loved that school in NL
Thats sorta true but really exaggerated too. You don't need to be middle class or rich start your own business.
Rips4w
Starting a business isnt the risk. It's affording its statistically likely failure. "Starting a business" is this weird phenomenon wherein -
- the phrase is laden with positivity. It's not a free ticket to wealth and prosperity.
"Starting a business isnt the risk. It's affording its statistically likely failure" that means the same thing. That IS the risk.
Youre not understanding. Starting a business is possible, to an extent, for most economic brackets. Lower income people, may be able -
- to start one, but they can not risk it failing like middle and upper class can. Therefore, it's a moot point.
They can risk it though. I don't get what you mean by saying that can't risk failing.
NondescriptProtagonist
A risk that is far easier for someone with more money and opportunity to mitigate. That is the exact point this post was trying to make.
yes, that is literally what I am saying
There may have been a communication misunderstanding then. That's not what I took from your comment. the downvoters probably didn't either.
QueefMalone
The worst.
jimithing9
.
TheOtherLucas
welcome to americaland. the themepark of poverty.
WireHairLongDoggie
sammyismycat
nclu
The glaring error in this metaphor is that it is the carnies running the show that are scamming all of the dart throwers, not the poor kids.
macthelost
This is easily the best way I’ve ever heard success explained.
Targe0
Because it's simple but inherently clear-cut.
malakit
Even statistics favor rich people. See: https://pudding.cool/2022/12/yard-sale/
coverider
... aren't the poor kids the ones holding the dart board?
RalphH
they are the board
WhatTheHellIsGoingOnBob
Poor kids need to learn how to skim the till!
WhatTheHellIsGoingOnBob
Poor kids need to learn how to skim the till!
Barrokin
There is another version of this where a teacher gives each student a piece of paper and ask them to throw it in the bin from where they sit
AshesVonDust
The poor kid (me) with the rich grandpa on the board who gets told to pick any prize for free, but refuses to pick a big expensive...
AshesVonDust
Prize because she's grown up conditioned not to ever ask for anything big.. My mom could not understand how I couldn't be persuaded
AshesVonDust
To get, like, a bike or a giant toy and instead clung to an inflatable plastic tiger on a stick. Like, mom, you caused this!
RVME
There is no middle class. It can't be defined by dollars, and that dream of owning things is dead. Go to another country to try.
poochyena
Please go outside
DexioVexio
"The ones who mention bootstraps never wear work boots"
Muunk
STOP THROWING DARTS AT ME!
UnhelpfulAnswers
No
hadtochangemyusernamecauseIgotdivorced
Username checks out.
DemSumBigAssRidges
I'm just here because I also choose your wife.
MrStealYourGiF
So, a modern Robin Hood, should crank out mediocre tech startups to sell to rich kids until they're all poor?
Targe0
Too late, the rich con artists already do that.
disinformatique
Enter Twatter, Chief Twit bought it at 2X for 44 billion dollary doos.
SwankyPotato
goboltz
I've seen this Circus & most of you are "Clowns" ! !
LettermanAirsoft
I grew up as a kid in the dwindling middle class of the 2008 recession. A vacation every 5 years and new stuff at Christmas. I'm far luckier
LettermanAirsoft
Than a lot of people and am happy for the life that my parents worked so hard to give me.
TheVampireDante
Nah, the rich kids aren't playing, they just slip the stall runner some cash and pick a prize they want.
azimir
And then claim they hit the bullseye. Hire a ghostwriter for a book, then go on media tours about how smart they are to have hit the target.
sfrinlan
Even rich kids that aren't wealthy enough to do that are still wealthy enough to have enough tries to effectively achieve that
astromoondoggie
The rich kids can afford many throws, the really rich kids get to walk right up to the board and put the dart wherever they want.
RichardFenn
Because daddy's friend owns the carnival.
NickRivieraMD
also even just the rich kids get to throw, and then the guy running the game says 'great throw, you get a prize!' even if they miss.
sadurdaynight
By that same notion, even if a middle class kid hits the target, the carnival operator can make up shit and say they cheated. That 1/
sadurdaynight
happened to a lot of black business owners in the US during Jim Crow and such. Folks show up and take over their business, and the black 2/
sadurdaynight
person either goes along with it and becomes a "manager" or goes to jail over BS charges./
brassknucklenerd
Or, like Black Wall Street, the entire network of businesses gets burned to the fucking ground. Then rebuilt. Then redlined to death. 1/2
NickRivieraMD
I had a job interview one time like this, through contacts. They were like 'you seem like a smart kid, you should do fine.' It floored>
NickRivieraMD
me to see what it must be like for rich kids with connected parents. A world of difference.
adrianontherocks
You know what’s odd is I never knew I was a ‘poor’ kid until I hit my teen years. I had nothing to compare it to.
TheIceHorse
I make more money than my parents did raising us and am ‘middle class’ yet struggle to get food sometimes lol - the game is fucked.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
A lot of "poor" people around the world are blissfully happy because everyone around them is very much the same and no advertising to teach
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
them how miserable they should feel because they're not buying crap.
SkamanSam
fam came into some money one year and had a bountiful xmas. My brother got into a fight at school cuz he said santa must be real cuz we poor
dasklaus
I'm suddenly in a privileged environment and it's super weird for me. So many people with no concept of poverty & falling through the cracks
Eucrow
I never knew we were poor even tho my single mom made my clothes. There were other, poorer kids that got mocked for being "dirty".
SteepedGardenMrsChen
I'm happy for you! Probably saved some emotional trauma. No poor kid can escape it now with social media to compare his life to. ?
dakonsept
THIS.
lollersson
I have similar experiences. At university I met kids that were from very wealthy families - that’s when it hit me that I had less than them
lollersson
Growing up.. On holidays they travelled and I worked. They had good computers and I had a cheap and slow one. They bought stuff - I worried
lollersson
if my money will feed me until the end of the month.
astrangehop
Not eating food you've prepared or purchased is as ridiculous as 50s movies when they drive without looking at the road.
adrianontherocks
I ALWAYS eat my leftovers. Even if they aren’t appealing. Even though I can afford to throw them away now.
thediplomaticone
I knew we were poor when I had to explain the rules to games like “hide in the cornfield” to the friends.
adrianontherocks
I didn’t have a cornfield but I’m guessing that the game involves hiding in a cornfield, and another person has to look for you?
thediplomaticone
It was like The Predator movie if it was made with kids under the age of 10 with handmade spears. We just called it hiding to throw mom off
HumblePie42
Separating classes from directly interacting has always helped reinforce the system. If you don’t know you can’t complain
ArcaneConjecture
That shows the system is Working As Intended. Some with $500K in a retirement account actually think they're rich enough to be Republicans.
NarratesTheDarkerStory
Yeah, poor and mostly friendless. I did think my one friend was super rich. Sega Genesis, comic books, toys. Who lived that well?
TheFastpaws
My mom hid it from us very well. We were poor though.
BROpeep
Aye, looking back always makes me feel bad. The amount of stress and pressure that I unknowingly created just to "keep up" with friends
dart223
Thats a good parent tho. I made sure power was on, good food available, clothes that "fit in" but I worked way too much and missed alot.
dart223
Looking back i maybe should have been there physically more. I grew up poor so I wanted her not to be stressed out by worrying as a child.
Snooj
We weren't exactly poor but I knew we weren't rich because my neighbor got all the big Transformers and I got the microbots.
Snooj
I did finally get Optimus Prime but he got Omega Supreme. It was always humbling.
Sensiblyinteresting
I grew up thinking we where well off because I had food and had a Sega and a bike. Hit high school and it became pretty apparent
disinformatique
It dawned on me on one particular night after I hit 36 years old.
dreikommavierzehn
I actually got shamed for "being rich" because I had a sega & computer as a teen. Nevermind I've been living on the bare minimum food and
Sensiblyinteresting
My sister and I where the first children of our large extended family. That would usually mean family put in together and got us something
dreikommavierzehn
brink of homelessness for half my live
HumblePie42
It also goes the other way. In my late twenties I finally saw how richer families live. Annual summer trips to France. 8 vacation homes…
Sensiblyinteresting
Legit though you where going to describe the family from home alone for a minute
HumblePie42
Where they have to take monthly vacations to check up and maintain their properties. Rich kids have seen some friends fall into addition…
HumblePie42
Addiction* and that is how they went from rich to middle class. They then assume that is why poor people are poor. Then they make laws
binaryspike
I never thought about it that way but it makes sense ?
comacomacomacomachameleon
i knew i was poor when the lunch lady took away my food because i had a $2 debt for not paying
tzahtman
I wanted to make a funny comment but that really is just meesd up and infuriating.
kwyjiboner
Any place that takes food away from children is a failed state.
DiabloD3
We live in a fail state. Theres 350m of us trapped in this sinking ship.
Jatenffxiv
Same, it was fucking barbaric. The worst part is watching them throw the food away.
UseTheForceLuke
The most American thing I’ve read all day. That’s terrible, buddy, I’m sorry.
comacomacomacomachameleon
i still have nightmares about it 20 years later. It was fucking traumatic.
tantallous
And then they throw it away. No kid, gonna have to take that food and dump it in the trash instead of letting someone as poor as you eat.
ztygs
As it should be. Can't have "the poors" thinking their like.. Real people, that'd be terrible, they may get ideas of equality then.
Milkashake
some kids were rather poor, so as a gesture of kindness, other students collected money to buy them some fancy sandwiches in the canteen /1
Milkashake
(Dutch schools are different: It's more normal to bring your own lunch) when they "forgot" their lunch. The lunch lady gave the samdwiches/2
JustDumbCommentsAndCorrections
For the record, bringing your own lunch is extremely normal in US too. There's a whole industry for kids lunchboxes (or brown paper bag)
JaelitheKitty
My HS class started an everyday pool where people donated any money they could then we’d buy tons of food and those who had none could eat
Milkashake
and refused the money. The rector found out and gave the poor kids some "lunch cards" they could exchange for lunch. Loved that school in NL
poochyena
Thats sorta true but really exaggerated too. You don't need to be middle class or rich start your own business.
Rips4w
Starting a business isnt the risk. It's affording its statistically likely failure. "Starting a business" is this weird phenomenon wherein -
Rips4w
- the phrase is laden with positivity. It's not a free ticket to wealth and prosperity.
poochyena
"Starting a business isnt the risk. It's affording its statistically likely failure" that means the same thing. That IS the risk.
Rips4w
Youre not understanding. Starting a business is possible, to an extent, for most economic brackets. Lower income people, may be able -
Rips4w
- to start one, but they can not risk it failing like middle and upper class can. Therefore, it's a moot point.
poochyena
They can risk it though. I don't get what you mean by saying that can't risk failing.
NondescriptProtagonist
A risk that is far easier for someone with more money and opportunity to mitigate. That is the exact point this post was trying to make.
poochyena
yes, that is literally what I am saying
NondescriptProtagonist
There may have been a communication misunderstanding then. That's not what I took from your comment. the downvoters probably didn't either.