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FP Edit: Thanks guys. Glad you enjoyed my attempts to educate my mum on things she's not really interested in.
I've learned that a lot of you folks care more than my mum about the quality of analogies. Which is good! Precision is important when taking a person or corporation to trial and I concede that the pits may not be the best analogue in motorsports for Battlefront's heroes. However, there's also a weird, small but vocal contingent who seem to be defending EA with a 'It's not as bad as you make it sound' argument. Even if I concede all your points, they're still bad enough. It's clear what their priorities are. Jim Sterling says it best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1Nxhy8U_JQ&feature=youtu.be
thechelonianshelmet
You forgot about having to work xx hrs for a better part or to have limiters removed, or pay $$ for them along with private shortcut routes
pleonidas
what? A post about ea? Well i wonder if anything big is happening with them right now!
DespiseEveryone
Or as I put it, they agreed to bugger you with a small penis but they used alum on your anus.
killernerd
you can go even further, hero unlocking is like the items in the pit. Tyre swap? $40. wrench? $25. Or you could drive 1000 laps to unlock
HistoricalContext
That's...an excellent analogy. I'm gonna steal it.
gutbrodj
You just summed up net neutrality at the same time.
grantavius
Would this analogy be translatable to horse racing?
Rosfmmmhzdrozzley
There are many analogies you could make. I'm sure this type of concept is nothing new in capitalism. Luckily everyone can see this BS now.
bad52292
Going with that analogy, it's more like everyone starts out with a 50cc bike, every lap you get a chance to upgrade to a 250cc bike,
bad52292
But if you a small fee you can get 2 or 3 or 50 chances per lap to gain that massive advantage.
Dgym
A better one, yes, but I do not share my mum's enthusiasm for bikes.
erbiumyttriumytterbium
Your mum made the right choice, even if the people who run motor racing suck.
pukeachew
I needed this explained, thank you for your service.
IronMarla
Unfortunately, it's not very accurate. :/
AVeryLividBeing
But...That's not any of the problems. There are little loot boxes that barely boost your ability, which is one problem. The other is that-
AVeryLividBeing
-Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are not unlocked immediately at the start of the game. Instead they cost credits which is something you-
AVeryLividBeing
earn by playing the game. On day ONE I saw many people with Luke and Darth Vader. So yeah...I am not sure where the negativity is for-
AVeryLividBeing
except on the bit about the star cards (The ability modifiers). Which, yeah, kind of lends an advantage, but can easily be worked around.
Tmissfrizzle
Damn this ea drama is really some shit. The last video game I bought was goat simulator, so I'm quite out the loop
Theman098
The game industry for a while now has been like Goat sim, except the bugs aren't intentional, and it costs $4.99 to unlock each new goat.
Tmissfrizzle
Fuck that bull
AVeryLividBeing
Well, AAA game industry. Some small indie games are pretty nice, like Night In The Woods and This War Of Mine. Just some fun stuff.
Deucifer
bad52292
It's not a complicated scenario. It's a game that allows you to purchase advantages over your competition.
Dgym
My mum isn't familiar with terms like paywall, pay-to-win, in-game currency, Darth Vader or even multiplayer.
bad52292
Good thing I didn't use any of those terms, ya fucknut. I said "pay" and "advantage" and "competition" even your dumbass ma can handle that.
Dgym
Okay, wow. I was just making the point that I need to put it into another context for her. Which is what I did.
Special656
The circuit twice as long comment if very smart analogy. Good explanation. I️ don’t manage motorbike racing, but still understand. Thank you
ThereAreChameleonsEverywhereProbably
What's it an analogy to? I don't know if I missed something in the whole EA issue. What did they do in response?
CorgiCircus
There's a perfectly reasonable explanation to all this which I will now show you in this image
PunteDai
Why not stop paying... maybe buy games from competitor? EA is for-profit company..why the heck should it worry about people that cannot pay?
WhiteIce2112
I just had a stroke.
FunctioningWorkaholic
I see you also � Unicode.
Kr4ck4l4k1n
I'm more interested in the motorbike racing team your mom manages. Tell us more please. Ask mom to do a work story
Dgym
I don't want to give identifiable details but it's an endurance racing team. They race classic bikes for 8-24 hour races.
Kr4ck4l4k1n
On road or off road?
ScottishPower
I don't understand. I'm not a gamer or a motorbike. How about in fitness, advertising, running dancing or jigsaw terms?
BrokeMyFunnyBone
You pay to go into the gym, then pay to use the weights.
ScottishPower
Ohh. EA are charging people once they already have bought the game! Bull!
Clockworkdancerobot
"Look we cut the price by a fourth!" "but you also reduced quest rewards by that much too."
HolyCringeLordBatman
That's one of the interesting stories about the early days of WOW, the rested xp bonus used to be a "you played too much penalty".
netharia
Early as in alpha/beta.
IronMarla
Yup. They made it 'well rested' at 200% when rested instead of 'fatigued' at 50% when not rested. No XP numbers actually changed.
IronMarla
This is getting repeated constantly but is fundamentally inaccurate. :/
CapnMawf
Thank you, so tired of seeing people repeat that the time to unlock is the same. Can still have a problem with it, but the right problem
IronMarla
They reduced campaign completion credits by 75% to match the hero it was meant to unlock, the protagonist, who also costs 75% less.
IronMarla
All other income streams are unaffected. Heroes take 1/4 as long to unlock.
unapologetic05
I'm trying to follow you, but you lost me.
IronMarla
They did not reduce credit income by 75% across the board, only the Credit reward for beating the story mode.
akablaidd
The twice as long comment isn't entirely accurate tho, the only credit reward they lowered was the one for completing the campaign.
Maetira
It's still shitty. The campaign reward is basically to buy the main character, but instead of her as a reward they give currency. 1/
GifIsPronouncedJif
And the campaign credit reward wasn't even added into the 40 hours that people were complaining about.
Maetira
It's basically giving you a "taste", it's emotionally manipulative. 2/2
Randomman96
You know, it's almost as if most people don't actually research things before complaining. Imagine that.
BrokeMyFunnyBone
And I'm willing to bet you didn't bother to verify if akablaidd was right before you smugly typed your comment in.
GifIsPronouncedJif
I'm willing to bet you made that baseless assumption because you know he's right.
AVeryLividBeing
I usually earn about 240-250 credits per a game. Most people had at least one, if not both unlocked on day one.
AVeryLividBeing
Both being the whole Darth Vadar and Luke Skywalker hero thing.
Donkeymong
Way to overstate the issue.
Fitzman
Damage control
Dgym
How so?
Donkeymong
Because the way you put it makes it sound as if the game is impossible if you dont pay. When really it just affects the grind time, so far1/
Donkeymong
For me i haven't felt at a disadvantage because im not paying for crates. It does have to be said the game already is horribly unbalanced.2.
BrokeMyFunnyBone
For many people, it's not about the competitive edge, it's about the fact that it's not the game it promised to be. It's not a Star Wars
Dgym
I don't think its impossible to complete a race without pits, just harder. I'm simplifying the issue, yes, but that was my aim.
Donkeymong
No you overstated it if you said people could pay for somthing like better tires or fuel mix that would be closer to what it is.
BrokeMyFunnyBone
game if you don't have access to vital characters from the franchise.
Donkeymong
Ohh fuck off with that argument i can't believe they caved on that the best hero's should be hard to unlock in pvp multiplayer. If you 1/
Krewnikoshea
How did she respond?
Rosfmmmhzdrozzley
She sent the owner of her next circuit a check. She isn't too keen on the concept of analogies.
Rymdblomma
"Why are you telling me this? I dont care about your stupid video games"
Dgym
No response yet!
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Mrflufikins
Toot
JessicaOfTomorrow
Doot
WhyIsThisStillEvenAQuestion
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GadenKerensky
Brace yourself; Dots are coming.
Dgym
Jesus guys. It's only been two hours. I'll not forget!
ale624
stormegedendarklordofall
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Dgym
She said "Great, now I understand it all. Thank you! xx"
umpbumpfizz
Moms. Gotta love ‘em. Give yours a hug for me, I️ just lost mine.
umpbumpfizz
Apparently l have not updated to 11.1.1
degenerator
Is yer mum single? Asking for a motorbiking friend.
Dgym
She is not! You're not my real father!
degenerator
D'oh.
vorodar
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
myr14d
This reminds me of how an airline 'fixed' the problem of long layovers by making the distance between connecting flight terminals longer.
clid3r
That’s actually really clever.
CaffeineManic
Oh. Now I understand several airports better. Thanks for explaining.
Some1OnceToldMe
Wat.
icelandicsealbear
Airport, and it was in Arizona
getmo
To be fair they did install those escalator-like moving walkway thingies.
Dgym
I've also read that airports put a long walk between terminals and baggage reclaim so people don't complain about waiting for baggage.
UsernameNotTakenYet
They basically try to balance queues like in Rollercoaster Tycoon, no one wants to just stand around. WWYD instead? Me, free massage chairs!
KZDM
We're pretty dumb like that. 5 minute walk + 10 minute baggage wait = complaints. 20 minute walk and baggage ready on arrival? = Whoo hoo!
DeusexNihilo
The handlers can only work so fast while being expected to handle it carefully
theyak
I struggle to imagine the increased conveyor distance shrinking the gap unless it's Sonic speed
theyak
Or unless the conveyor takes a shortcut I guess, but I'm imagining the 20 mile straight line at LAX
starscape678
The conveyor doesn't go all the way from the plane to baggage pick-up. Baggage is transported by a type of car from plane to conveyor.
SideEffectsOfJuice
Tbh... I think that is kind of a good idea.
Dgym
I agree! Turns out people are happier about waiting if you give them something to do.
BrokeMyFunnyBone
Because then they're not waiting
KZDM
Like putting mirrors in elevators
Special656
I must know more. What about mirrors in elevators?
SideEffectsOfJuice
And like psychologically or something the walking time feels much better, and shorter, than the waiting time... I think
Reviire
I prefer to think, sitting around doing absolutely nothing just sucks dick. I'd prefer to spend the time walking there.
minipancho94
part of me doesnt understand why people travelling are always in such a rush. it takes time, shit happens, account for it.
fryro
Nalianna
heavens forbid, that i only have 2 days to see my family, and instead of taking 4 hours, the airline takes 5.
Nalianna
i'll just pull a magical extra hour out of my butt, to spend with my mother.
minipancho94
in that case you may need to plan better. i'd get a red-eye and sleep on the plane. go straight to the airport after work too.
gjm147
One of my favourite things about returning to the UK from holiday is watching how worked up we get waiting for luggage at baggage claim.
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
It's psychological for many people. If they sit on the plane they feel like they're going somewhere, if they sit on the layover they feel
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
like they're being "held back" because they're all ready to go but nothing is moving. Sitting 2hours on a plane "feels" better than sitting
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
an hour on a plane, then 30minutes stationary, than 30 minutes on a plane again even if it's the same time.
1Plebian
well they're not wrong
OmenRider
That doesn't help when the only layover options are either 45min or 4+ hours.
OmenRider
and of course you arrive at gate A12, while your connecting flight is at gate G2, and nearly in a different zip-code.
minipancho94
i've had layovers with security checks between. if anything was just a nice chance to stretch and then read before the next flight.
OmenRider
agreed, that's why 1-2hr layovers are ideal, but sitting in the airport for 4+ hours for only 5hrs total flying time is a bit much.
Goldenleg
You sir are my favourite kind of traveller. I work for an airline. Regardless if people are frequent travellers or not, alot of peeps leave
Goldenleg
their brains are home.
MissKittyKatKat
Dude it's like personal time. No one to bother you while traveling and all I have to do is show up. I love every second of it.
minipancho94
not only that, but if its a nice trip to, why stress out? you're just going to mentally exhaust yourself before you can even relax.
Cypheri
tbh as long as unexpected delays are clearly communicated so I can update anyone who may be waiting on me idgaf how long it takes.