The Tommy gun that almost drove me mad

Oct 18, 2021 7:16 AM

MasterGunsmith

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I was working my day job when I got a phone call about a tommy gun that needed some fixing. The details were unclear and I prefer it that way because I figure things out best visually.

After a trip to retrieve the beast, everything looked ok.

Except, in trying to fix the gun themself, the owner removed the pivot pin which hold everything together. Unfortunately they removed the pin without taking the gun apart so now everything was just floating around inside the gun AND there was something bigger wrong with it too that I had to figure out after fixing this near impossible task of fishing out the parts without taking the gun apart or drilling into it.

All wood removed. I made a bet with my wife that I could get the parts out without drilling into the gun.

You can see the lower being held open with a screw driver punch bit. See the trigger rising up? That’s under spring pressure. There are a dozen more parts inside doing the same and so it’s just a puzzle of days trying to slide the lower off while moving parts.

I forgot to take a pic of the lower removed because I was too excited but hey! I did it! Notice the pivot pin is back in place and I’m piecing it back together. At this point I wanna do a functions test to see how things go.

Things didn’t go. The gun wouldn’t fire and the rounds kept jamming and not seating all the way forward. There was no logic to this. Usually when a cartridge doesn’t seat correctly, it’s called “out of battery” and it usually required adjusting head spacing but tommy guns don’t exactly have a way of adjusting head spacing without a brand new barrel and then, also, there is no way a tommy gun can suddenly go out of battery. This puzzle got worse and worse and thought it was beyond my abilities. I spoke to experts who had no explanation. Tommy guns eat ammo. They don’t fail like this.

Sitting on the toilet one day I thought “what are the odds that there is a clog of some sort inside the chamber?” But anytime I checked I could see right through the bore. I even ran a cleaning brush and it still wouldn’t work. But then I had an epiphany. What if I couldn’t see the clog because it was a shell with the back blown out and it was just hugging the walls of the chamber!? Sure as shit. Pulled it out with one of my wife’s crocheting hooks.

I was gonna post a video but I shouldn’t have been wearing the shirt I was so sorry about that! But it worked! I put 50 rounds through it and it worked beautifully.

Cleaned it up. Soaked the wood in mineral spirits.

Nice scrub and clean and then rubbed some boiled linseed oil into it like it would’ve been.

Letting her dry.

Filled in the engravings with white wax (crayons).

Used a steel brush attachment on my cordless drill along with some oil to clean any rust off. Wiped it dry and did some spot bluing on any exposed steel. Filled in the remaining engravings with wax and made sure it was nice and oiled.

All prettied up and ready for action. Like a brand new gun. Customer was quite happy and I am quite proud to have been able to work on a piece of history.

Now to finish this new stock for my buddies 1903A3 Springfield.

Repairs... $50/hr. $100/hr if you try to help. $500/hr if you "already fixed it"

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Fantastic!! Love the old Thomason’s

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That was a great breakdown of what went on. Top tier work OP

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Very nice work. Waxing the engravings was a nice touch.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

My favorite balloon animal

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4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Nice work on solving the mystery mate ?

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Disappointed, was expecting you to discover was a Stemple all along!

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

If you hadn't said it I was going to.

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4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Funny enough I’m trying to get people to start calling me Cuban Pete. I’m neither Cuban nor named pete.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

A tommy gun ?

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Wow, great narration, very enjoyable to read ! We demand more stories like this @OP !

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

FINALLY! Something about guns from the US.....

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Nice job!

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Now that’s how narrative is done.

4 years ago | Likes 479 Dislikes 4

We can complain about how awful the semi auto 16' barrel reproductions look?

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This one is an 18 so it’s far worse

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4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

This was a fun post

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4 years ago | Likes 141 Dislikes 0

This kid fucks

4 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

wait

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Damn that’s the coolest kid I’ve ever seen

4 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

That's awesome! I really need to get my 1918 Remington Model 11 a new fore end, it's original and cracked, been redone a time or two.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Haha, sadly I'm broke as a joke right now with no job, but I'd genuinely be interested, especially in returning the finish to standard.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oooh.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Love this sorta stuff.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Nice work! As a side note, nice to see tommy with vertical grip stored in music instrument container, somehow that feels appropriate.

4 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

I’m sure other times as well, but mid 2000’s auto ordinance sold a package that was gun, and 50 rd drum in a violin shaped gun case.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Love working with Birchwood Casey products, on guitars and basses though.

4 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 0

Mix a little denatured alcohol with it. Just a bit though. It’ll dry as it absorbs making the work quicker but thin to glossy.

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Weird looking typewriter. Them Chicago boys are built different.

4 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Customer was 'quite happy'? I'd say they were over the moon! That was an awesome job OP. Loved your attention to the details. Waxing the (1)

4 years ago | Likes 128 Dislikes 3

I’d say they were blown away!

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Ha ha!

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

engravings and referring to the Tommy gun as a female were my favourite bits.. oh, and restoring the wood to it's former glory! ? ? ? (2)

4 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 2

This reminds me of the time I fixed an industrial laser by welding a spoon to it.

4 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 0

hey man, still waiting for that story

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is my favorite comment.

4 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

we have to know now

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

@OP How much do you charge for a service like this? Is it your profession or hobby?

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This is a profession. Doesn’t pay the bills so it’s not my day job. I’ve done it for close to twenty years and i have a whole price list.

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

If you would humor someone with a weird insatiable curiosity, I'd love to see the price list. I can PM an email or w/e

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Shoot me a DM!

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well now I see your username I feel p dumb :P

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Many things go hidden in plain sight. Nothing to feel ashamed of.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

im unreasonably upset that someone who has a tommy gun isn't using a drum mag 100% of the time

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The owner of the gun didn’t provide me with one and for testing purposes the stick regulates me better.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

'Regulates' lol. Gotta be careful or you'll wind up sending the repair and labor costs downrange.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I too like a well regulated stick

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

#9 wait, what's wrong with the purple shirt?

4 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

yes id also like to know

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

He wanted to be bare-chested to appear as manly as possible.

4 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Yes, this is also my question. Not fussed about the gun stuff.

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

If you look closer, there's a logo on left breast that has been coloured over. It was probably a bit too much vid editing to keep it hidden.

4 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

Oohhh makes sense

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Judging from the censored bit, company logo?

4 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

#2 Glad it's being kept and transported in a guitar case, as its traditional for a Tommy Gun.

4 years ago | Likes 381 Dislikes 6

I have a ps90 will get a violin case for it at some point

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They use a double bass case for the anti-tank rifle.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

More formally known as Thomas the gun?

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

got a full auto 1927 model that has an FBI case instead of a violin.

4 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 0

Like someone was murdered with it?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Narc

4 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

That may be an acceptable substitute.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Pics please!

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That's a violin case.

4 years ago | Likes 151 Dislikes 1

Violin is just a snob guitar

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Whatever, just make sure to play it at my funeral.

4 years ago | Likes 74 Dislikes 0

Vardarac sends his regards. Rattle em, boys.

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

This was a violent case of mislabelling, for sure!

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I thought the violin case was too small and most were actually viola cases.

4 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 0

That seems about right. Violins are pretty dang small. Cello case would be way too big

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You know, you may actually be right.

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It'll fit, just not assembled. A rectangular violin case would fit it more easily.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That's a grade a original Tommy gun. current value of that is around 250k!

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You're kidding? I thought these were available en masse. Would the refurb decrease its value even after fixing it?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Where the hell are you buying Tommy Guns? Typical a range is $20k - $30k at most. Full auto are about triple that.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Dude. Have you shopped recently for full auto? Everything has jumped in price 3 to 4 times from 2 years ago. A crap Tommy goes for 100k now.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Gunsmith here. I've seen this on a lot of different guns since it has more to do with a bad cartridge than gun. Always overlooked at first.

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Spent over two hours the other night after purchasing my first pump-action. I've had multiple pistols and rifles, so I'm used to the tricks

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

with them. But that night I had disassembled and reassembled that shotgun many times trying to figure out -why- I was having this one weird

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

feeding issue that wasn't popping up on the forums. Turns out no one thinks to mention you need to give it a bit of force. Because while

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

you can do that whole 'silently rack' thing with pistols and rifles, turns out shotguns don't do that. Figured it out on accident because I

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

was getting angry at it thinking it had come damaged. 10mins later I went to look to see if there was a specific sub for my shotgun and the

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Why couldn't they take it apart, because they started with the wrong part first so it couldn't come apart?

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

To disassemble the gun. The trigger needs to be depressed. If the pins that hold the mechanism are removed the trigger doesn't do anything.

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4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's funny how guns are so simple mechanically, yet also very complicated with how precise things need to be.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

https://youtu.be/QN1uUfMCQ0Y disassembly starts at 15mins

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It depends on the gun. Something like this automatic has certain critical tolerances.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Open bolt blow back guns dont have much. The issue is actually that a big block of steel is in the way of 2 parts moving past eachother

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