zoraniko
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https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/sleeping-tesla-driver-vancouver-fined-october-19
Oct 20, 2021 12:04 AM
zoraniko
159388
1902
32
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/sleeping-tesla-driver-vancouver-fined-october-19
BethGaGaShaggyAReligionNotACult
That seems a little low to me.
domillomew
Im still excited for a future where self driving vehicles are advanced enough to far surpass humans in vehicular safety. people are morons
nebuchadnezzarispooping
I might be wrong and probably down voted but isn't this all the car companies are going for? You can drive without driving yourself
KillingTlme
Living the dream, except for the fine. I am very disappointed in humanity for not having self driving vehicles as the only option.
SankariSuomi
Only $368? Should have been a few thousand!
Imortaldraco
I don’t believe this
looker42
For the record, fully self-driving cars is just public transportation with extra steps.
thepuppeteer777
probably the best car to sleep behind the wheel. still dont do that
AgamemnonsMemes
I mean its bad but they probably would also fall asleep at the wheel of a normal car and this way no one died.
Durl
I wonder if auto-pilot tech will ever be advanced enough to where we could legally do this.
polarbearbaby
That fine is too low.
TheAziz
Didn't teslas need a tiny input on the steering wheel every now and then to keep going? To make sure the driver is aware of the situation?
jG123
Some idiots bypass this by putting a weight on the wheel. Tesla is rolling out facial detection in an update which checks for attention.
weirdisgood
Yes, about every 45-60 seconds you need to gently nudge the wheel (on highway). I’m surprised this one bc newer model (black handle).
JustStopTalking
When grandma arrives dead in her Tesla at your house for a visit.
AtypicalMammal
Either she rigged it with water bottle i steering wheel, or she is sleeping through extremely loud and annoying beeping and bitching
Plaguestorm172
One day this will be legal, and thats amazing that we are actually getting there. Sadly now is not that time, so wake the f up.
themikep
Veritasium vid on self driving cars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjztvddhZmI -- they are already so good that drivers get bored
tungusmadungus
That was on the Lion's Gate bridge in Vancouver. One of the most dangerous places to do that.
cuddlesdotgif
Side note - I do really hope we have this technology foolproof figured out in my lifetime. I would love to just sleep until my destination.
Dissipo
Asleep at the wheel should he a license yanking offense.
Red9800
368? A zero should be added along with daddy taking the car away.
mystagenameiscookiesecrets
At least it's a Tesla. Most of Vancouver's drivers are asleep at the wheel without autopilot.
DrKenAdams
JagManNZ
But, they’ll arrive, right? Right?
SJohnson23
But the pizza will be okay so….
DrKenAdams
It's hot and it's ready
Honeybadgerfabricator
My model 3 slammed on the brakes in the middle of the freeway with no one else around for no reason in autopilot last week. This is so dumb.
AtypicalMammal
Clean all the little cameras, there are like 6 of them. They act fucky when they get dirty
Honeybadgerfabricator
That was the first thing i checked. The car had just been detailed.
AtypicalMammal
Ooh fancy man. No $5 carwashes for this one lol
Moridin23
Lmao. That’s a lot more faith being put into the auto drive function than I’d be willing to give it
hateanyway
but people also fall asleep in cars without lane-keep, you just don't get videos of them because they crash immediately.
kslickgaming
More airbags then people in the car… he’ll be fine to face the lawsuits and jail time for his actions.
bandanafurscale
Then people in the car what?
tenaciousjeebs
Self-driving cars have a far better safety record than human-driven cars over the same time period. It just seems sketchy.
Jandegrote
Tesla shows they have no faith in it when they made sure you cant hold them accountable when the self driving fucks up.
Espeer
Have none of the people downvoting this comment met teen drivers.?
Darkklown14
There are videos of the camera/models confusing the moon with yellow lights though… I just don’t think I would trust it sleeping
tenaciousjeebs
Right, I didn’t say they were perfect and anecdotes are scary. I just stated that, on average, you’re more likely to be in an accident
tenaciousjeebs
When a human is driving the car. That average comes with some pretty big caveats though.
Darkklown14
I see your point. The whole thing is sketchy though with the automated driving
borkmeister
"Self-driving" cars that have attentive humans watching the road, with their hands on the wheel ready to take over. Fully autonomous (1/2)
borkmeister
vehicles do not exist. What that person did doesn't just seem wrong, it is wrong, and extremely dangerous and irresponsible. (2/2)
theeiinfamousiizzy
Pokegeologist
Not related to the original problem, but is anybody else concerned about the retractable door handles if there's an emergency?
jG123
The model 3 has a manual handle which you push in with your thumb and then pull. Takes some getting used to but slick when you do.
RetrogradeLlama
I don't like auto-drive or Teslas, but perhaps it wasn't intentional. Might have saved some lives.
rovertbiggs
Tesla’s don’t have auto drive. She had to rig it to work while asleep. She also reclined her seat, I don’t think it was an accidental nap.
AtypicalMammal
Lol the ol' water bottle in the steering wheel trick. I messed with that briefly when I got mine, but quickly realized that's a bad idea.
calichiq691
A 1lb wrist weight is the way to go. Just slap that thing on the steering wheel and it shouldn't prompt you while In autopilot.
AtypicalMammal
The most I trust the autopilot with is like 5 seconds on an empty road to reach over and grab something from the back seat
rovertbiggs
Correction: I’ve learned they do now call their assisted driving “autopilot” and “self-driving.” Though drivers still need to pay attention.
AtypicalMammal
Yeah, it's just a strong lane keep assist with speed limit detection and radar following. "Autopilot" is just marketing to sound cool
HighFlyKai
And dangerous marketing at that, too https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53418069.amp
RetrogradeLlama
If you keep your hands on the wheel I think you're all set.
rovertbiggs
The rear facing internal camera now detects alertness and if it determines inattention it can disable auto pilot.
rovertbiggs
Or rather, “assisted driving” since it doesn’t have a true auto.
yourmomscheese
Which is the worse evil? “You aren’t paying attention so I’m disengaging” or allowing it to be abused
AtypicalMammal
If you don't touch the steering wheel it's going to keep sell driving but it's going to scream and beep and be a real bitch
AtypicalMammal
You didn't immediately put a piece of paper in front of it? I did that with mine like 5 minutes out of the dealership.
AtypicalMammal
I don't trust random cameras I can't control looking at me
dohcohv
You can put a weight on it, or an orange peel.
RetrogradeLlama
I'm sure what actually happened will come out soon. But right now it's all speculation.
dohcohv
That it can be so easily fooled doesn't bode well for their testing methods.
AtypicalMammal
Wait, orange peel? Why?
dohcohv
It provides resistance, that's all it's checking for.
an0therthr0waway
Can a self-driving car parse lights and/or siren and pull over? Tangent, is it able to give way to emergency responders needing to pass?
Frostycopper
Probably. Seems pretty basic.
icefire555
I think after this happened a few times they designed the car to pull over.
jstarlen
This has happened a few times. The car doesn't recognize lights, but a patrol car can slow down jn front of it to bring it to a stop.
Jamesstin
Lmao do you actually believe some oinker in the US will do some Soyuz docking maneuver like that in order to do their job?
Trickky
Depends on the level of automation. Waymo is working on a fully self driving car that you could sleep in. Tesla is not even close.
EveryBodyLovesMe
Nah, but they sure are good at aiming straight for those responders and their confusing flashing lights
crazywowow
As of 2020 the Tesla S sold in Canada couldn't. There's a incident where the driver was asleep, RCMP hit the lights /sirens. People pulled
crazywowow
Over except the Tesla sped up because the lane was clear.
TheBlackSw0rdsman
In theory yes. But this isn't a self-driving car. It's a advanced cruise control.
confanity
I think the problem isn't pulling over, it's Teslas crashing into stopped emergency vehicles because they can't parse that scene. (Link ⤵)
TheBlackSw0rdsman
If your car was on cruise control it would also crash. People don't understand, this isn't a self-driving car yet. It's adv. cruise control.
confanity
https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/14/22673497/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-investigation-data-ford-gm-vw-toyota
AluminiumFalcon
There was another case like this where the dude asleep at the wheel went 2 1/2 miles before the cop had to go t next to him with the sirens/
AluminiumFalcon
to wake him up to pull over. I'm sure they could implement it, but it doesn't currently have it.
LenWeirdracin
Had one run into a stopped police cruiser in Michigan with its lights on
LenWeirdracin
https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-michigan-state-autopilot-crash-report/
LenWeirdracin
and Florida https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37425353/another-tesla-hits-police-car/
SageOfDepth
You'd think they should. Or even just being able to safely pull over on its own when the driver is in distress.
DrKenAdams
Glasma
Fuckweasel
We have a Model 3. Atm, no. It still requires human interaction at this point. It also requires you to keep your hand(s) on the wheel (now).
LyraTheLycan
Yeah because of some weak bitches that do something stupid like value human life - Musk
gearsmith
would two steaks and some twine work? Asking for... reasons...
StubbornViking
That would absolutely make this video and the subsequent headlines funnier
ConsistentlyLateCommenter
I don't even trust my robot vacuum to not fall down the stairs, how does someone have this much faith in technology
TheRealR0tb3rt
People also buy those rabbit vibratory so.....
LyraTheLycan
cnbc.com/2021/09/01/tesla-must-deliver-autopilot-crash-data-to-nhtsa-by-october-22.html
whatmakesushuman
Some humans are absolutely shit at driving.
Atlasraven
Ever been so drunk you wish your car was alive so it could drive you home?
zooumberg8
My Dyson 360 eye decided to escape from the bedroom the other day. I came home and it had been cleaning for hours.
StamosatmyFuneral
Because they have seen actual humans drive and realized robots can't be any worse.
LerryV2
Imagine how stupid the average person is then realize half of all people are stupider than that. - George Carlin
Naggging
I trust a robot more than people. Robot will always do what told.
ninjafartball
Because life can be exhausting
GlobularCloyster
<3
pixelhigh
Experience
Northwindlowlander
I don't trust my car's automatic headlights to switch on and off
Argondey
I have a model 3 and can say this is safe right until you hit a patch of fucky road lines.
CaptainSomebody
Selfdriving cars have started working in the last few years, remember how shit smartphones were when they first came out? I do not trust it.
Jewdakris
She's hoping everyone else is paying attention so if the car drifts they'll move
Hapsdinersdumpsterfire
Drunk?
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
We should genetically engineer horses instead until we've bred a version with a comfortable,suspended passenger cabin. Mows lawn when parked
Dastooooo
Also, people who cross the street when the light turns green, but don't look right and left first. You really trust other people that much?!
Khazimhir
friend also has a tesla, and according to him the onboard computer saved his life at least 4-5 times already, so i dunno, seems safe.
Hexxxxxxxxx
You are supposed to stay alert, ready to take over when driving with autopilot engaged. This chick is stupid as fuck and should have her
Hexxxxxxxxx
License suspended.
TupperwareNinja
Your Vacuum sucks
IDONTUSEMINDCONTROLANYMORE
In 50 years it'll be "how did people live without this technology".
DemSumBigAssRidges
It'll be sooner. Cadillac is already advertising self-driving cars.
iseecacogens
*Laughs in 20 years of Safety-Related Embedded Software Development Experience*
Atlasraven
We drove cars..with our own 2 hands! *gasp*
alaest0r
And we used our feet to control the speed
CodeBit
Grandpa will be in the corner wailing about manuals
LyraTheLycan
While we'll never know how many Tesla drivers have trusted AP completely and gotten away with it, the crash rate is <0.0025%, 20 in 850,000.
CheetoDustedMalcontent
*data provided by company with material interest in sales
LyraTheLycan
*data provided by tesladeaths.com based on completed and ongoing NHTSA investigations as well as expert testimony in court cases.
Frakes
Bombpier
Disguisng the punch with the backpack strap was a stroke of genius
KillingTlme
Education.
Dvicemuse
I trust autonomous cars. But Tesla’s aren’t autonomous. You could t pay me to do this
LoudBirb
Meh... on a highway, the autopilot's actually really solid. I was super nervous at first, but now I always turn it on the moment I get...
LoudBirb
In past the ramp if I'm going to be on it for more than 3 miles. It's not like I do other stuff, but it's amazing how much less draining...
LoudBirb
Dealing with highway traffic is when you don't constantly have to make microadjustments to stay in-lane or worry about keeping distance...
LoudBirb
From the car in front of you. Just a whole different, much less stressful experience overall.
OmegaYeti
Ignorance is bliss.
rajmago
That! Means two things
hateanyway
I mean, people fall asleep in cars all the time. most of them just go off the road before someone can get a video of the sleeping driver
Mr21782Man
Its what happens when you believe that your god Elon Musk is infallible and always right.
alaest0r
As a programmer who is optimistic for full self-driving but is also aware of the current state of technology:
soulsource
I've been working on self-driving some years ago. Realized how horrible it was, and switched to computer game car AI -> no blood on my hands
StArkyn
Company: hey so we saw how good your game car AI was and we decided to base our real world self driving on it. Thanks for the baseline.
SebastianCrab
Not uncommon for tech to bleed back and forth like this. A solution is a solution.
soulsource
Yeah, but requirements are vastly different. In games it just needs to look&feel believable, and only work while the player is looking.
thatsbadmmkay
Honestly if you're not engaged with driving its really easy to dose off. This is going to be common.
Hexxxxxxxxx
No, its actually easier to stay awake when driving with autopilot. I just drive across the country. Its less taxing than driving ICE
oopssorrywrongplanet
Yeah, you don't get nearly as tired. You basically have to experience it, nobody believes me. All those micro adjustments to stay in the
oopssorrywrongplanet
Lane are apparently most of what tires you out.
Hexxxxxxxxx
Yep!
catsandbeerandbeerandcats
You are so right. Winter driving is exhausting.
yomahnn
People on the whole are not all that bright.
UsedCarSalesChick
And yet she’s sleeping in a Tesla, and I’m not….(I’m not even awake in a Tesla….)
ThanatosElNyx
Well that is axiomatic. "Bright" means above average intelligence and most people are not above average by definition.
TrippyTurtle69
I, being one of those people, can attest to that.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
And people in the hole are pretty desperate to get out of the hole.
Mxlespxles
Depends what hole you're in
BigTex1
LyraTheLycan
Stats say the automobile death rate for Teslas is 2% higher than every vehicle in the US. No idea on which of those are caused by autopilot
CakeShapedPie
Got a source? They have the highest safety rating and an exceptionally low crash rate per mile.
LyraTheLycan
I just found the number of vehicles & number of Teslas in the US, crashes since 2014 and independent % of both. Crash rate per 6 yrs I guess
CakeShapedPie
Teslas are about 1/200 as many deaths per mile than the national average. https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-st
CakeShapedPie
https://www.tesladeaths.com/miles.html
dogmatix
Plenty of people fall asleep at the wheel on cars without any auto drive/driver assistance whatsoever.
TheUtahn
I nodded off at the handlebars of a motorcycle once... Sometimes the road is hypnotic.
AlkeneThiol
Thank you for being rational
OmnibusLatinName
I never remember falling asleep on the road... remember waking up there though
TyRo012
This is true - but given the degree of her reclined seat, this was completely intentional.
Brookimus741
Probably, but there is the chance she is one of those people that keep the seat reclined that far because of the airbag.
Sevulturus
I've dozed off on my motorcycle once.
CosmicCharles
Have done
tctallon
Same when I worked 14hrs a day for a couple of years, I used to have to take a nap midway through the drive home.
waitwuh
Often? Because like. Go to a sleep specialist and get a sleep test. Sincerely, someone who needed one a decade prior to getting it done.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
Likewise. Only once though, never attempted an all night drive after that
Dragonfury5
Ugh yes, my fiance decided he wanted to drive from Orlando to Dallas in one day/ night. That was a nightmare. He fell asleep at the 1/
Dragonfury5
/2 wheel twice and then I took over again. Made him quiz me on state capable capitals to keep alert. And drank like 8 sodas
gypsyspot
You need Adderall
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
No, you need a good night’s rest
IJudgeYourFavourites
Because theres a ton of real world examples of this technology performing far better than humans? In all cases its more trustworthy.
Jandegrote
It works so super well that Tesla makes sure you cant hold them accountable for when it goes wrong :).
Kagenical
I'll give you this one. On a highway, with an exhausted/DUI human? I'll give it to the Tesla.
ConsistentlyLateCommenter
Show me all the data you want, I still would never be comfortable falling asleep behind the wheel of a moving vehicle
ihaveamonsteraddiction
So you've never been on a road trip with someone else driving and you dose off in the passenger seat or in the back? Doubtful.
ConsistentlyLateCommenter
I specified behind the wheel so your statement makes no sense.
Froggie243
They all need to be internetworked so it's a coordinated system. Then everything will be fine. It'll be like being on a train
dohcohv
All cases? It drops control and stops in whatever lane or intersection it's in when it encounters an error.
fformulaa
Same as u or i once we hit 100 years old. Until then, it's super safer than humans.
dohcohv
It's better than bad drivers, but I still won't use it in it's current iteration.
Froggie243
I mean, how does that compare to how shit people are as a whole at reacting to that? It's no savior, but people are also bad.
dohcohv
As a whole people suck, but also think about when these cars get a few (10)years old and sensors degrade.
dohcohv
I have a 4 year old van and it gets phantom inputs telling me to brake when nothing is in front of me, it didn't do that when new.
IJudgeYourFavourites
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/8220479 Heres a good paper on all the info you need to understand why its safer than humans
dohcohv
https://insideevs.com/news/541418/tesla-fsd-beta-stress-test/ still not convinced. It's safer than a bad driver, but having to constantly be
dohcohv
Available to take over because it will just run into a pole means I have to pay even more attention than if I was driving myself.