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Jun 6, 2025 12:49 PM
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509tigerfish
ImHereToGetDownvotes
For real. It's time for everyone to start calling out Republicans that call themselves Christian. Doesn't even have to be complicated; "So what part of love thy neighbor is hard for you?" "What part of heal the sick, feed the poor, welcome the stranger, etc is hard for you? Everything you vote for is in direct opposition of the teachings of the Bible so are you a Christian or are you just cruel and using religion as an excuse?"
voldead
Well both are right …
017renegade
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509tigerfish
Oh I thought it was "Deeds not words"
chine
It does though. There is no right way to be wrong
elecvette
Far too many Christians of convenience. They seem to forget the first 5 letters of their chosen religion.
Jackthemayor
Most good I know enough good Catholics that are horrible people
JasonThorn
And yet so many people want to believe Christians are scum just because they call themselves Christians.
ZenMonkey48
I think we need to start calling these people "anti-christs" to show "we're judging you by your own standard and you still suck"
MBTerrorKitten
Calling yourself a Christian absolutely makes you one. Its not special.
NoToSupremacy
As usual, whenever they're doing something hard to market, they're called not true christians. Anything to protect the brand of a religion.
OhIfIMust
"We are none of us holy because we *say* we are." - Cadfael
Pdizzle124
Live n let live. It's legit that simple.
BenRegen
Fuckin. A.
meganical
That is true. I don’t recall Jesus telling us all to be petty and hate on each other. Then again, these “Christians” would’ve hated Jesus and his disciples.
LuminoZero
If a brown skinned Palestinian showed up at a Trump Rally and told them to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and care for the foreigner, they'd crucify him again.
Comet260
They would turn them all over to ICE thugs for the crime of not being white.
madeejit
Standing in church doesn't make you a Christian, any more than standing in a stable makes you a horse.
Thrakesh
christcuckism is a mental disorder that's best treated with a good length of rope and a hardy branch.
bexxMaker
freakdiablo
Always laugh when I see someone like Nancy. She's dumping way too much energy into hating on something that has zero impact on her.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Every time a woman goes against a transgender she betrays herself and all the women of the world, because no one better than women should understand how is to be eternally considered inferior and kept outside of another sex group.
IHateApostrophes
"transgender" is an adjective, not a noun
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Mhh mhh, sure, and where did I used it as a noun? In the sentence the subject is the woman. Not English so I must mistake the grammar, but was so necessary to make your comment on grammar over its real meaning?
SapphireXK
Fuck labels.
PhilipWiggles
Speaking as a human being, Trump and his republican cronies are certainly dickheads. But speaking as a evolutionary and clinical psychologist, there is really only two sexes/genders: male and female. Very few people are born with intersex genes or some other medical condition that biologically shows some form of transegender development. Everything else is just gender dysphoria and/or cultural reprogramming, not to say this is morally wrong or anything.
IHateApostrophes
Your own field disagrees with you, including the vast majority of professional medical organizations in the US.
And how fucked up is the "we don't count them because they're rare so they don't count" argument? I'm really done with it.
At 1.7% intersex people make up a larger percentage of the population than redheads. You'd make more sense if you tried to argue that redheads don't exist, because they're so rare that they aren't worth considering as actual people.
expectnothingstillletdown
I actually disagree with both of them. Those are both socially constructed categories with very fuzzy boundaries, so self-identification seems acceptable for either one.
TheTaoofRob
Me too. I post paradoxical things to see what discussion it illicits.
kInADress
Nobody cares about a piece of conservative trash's opinion. You wanna be a woman, you go be one
DeltaBlast
The thing is, arguing this way means that if #2 is correct, #1 is correct too. Or #1 is false but then #2 is too.
NickRivieraMD
It doesn't necessarily though. Since a belief system is different from a gender in several ways that would be important to the distinction.
Akurei00
When I first read this, I read it with the top being a reaction to the bottom, since we're so goddamn inconsistent about the format. And yes, it's way too easy for this one to be a "zinger" either way depending on the perceived order.
SithElephant
I mean, christianity very much includes going on crusades to kill people not like yourself, including those nominally of your religion.
judyblue
Right? Whenever people gatekeep Christianity they act as if it's an objective good.
awkungen42
This is my thought exactly. These are the MOST Christian like people. We need to get away from the fake branding religion has done for itself and tell it like it is. Religion is evil and it has proven that more than it has proven it's a force for good.
Etherealvalentine
Nah man. You can find a lot to shit on Christianity for. But the Bible actually does not call upon its readers to murder ppl for being different. That's a political history move involving the religion as a steed for war. There's history, there's religion, and there's the two put together for overall context.
SithElephant
There is a problem when you start defining out most of a group from being the real group.
Etherealvalentine
I'm sorry you can't see the nuance.
azazyel
My inlaws are a 'this is an Xian country' even though they have no idea what Christianity was like back then. Not even close to today
IGotTheMusicInMe425
There are lots of different flavors of Christian, they need to be specific lol.
It will forever be funny to me that not even Christians are safe from being 'other'd by Christians 😆
azazyel
Back in the day they'd take your kids if you committed 3 wrongs, like being seen running on the Sabbath
newsguycraigevans
Kill them all. God will know His own. - a quote from a crusading Christian
Leprechaunballsaregold
How the siege of Bezier ended
GuyWithDog
That is not exactly true. I get all the religion bad stuff, but that's a slight bit of overshooting.
meganical
That was more like European kings wanted to conquer territory but used religion as an excuse so the people would go along with it instead of realizing it was based on human greed. However, the Spanish were a tad different because they ran on hate for certain people and felt their immense hatred was so overwhelming that it must be the will of the divine.
And yet, one of Jesus’ best known lines was “turn the other cheek” in reaction to violence, so they were all not technically acting Christian
HellaPictureSeeing
The spanish were a buncha bastards during the conquest that's for sure, especially anywhere indigenous tribes thrived. It pisses me off how much we won't know about general human history because of them. Like hear me out what if the people learned to trade ideas, and knowledge? That's too much to expect from the mid 1000s folk I suppose.
BeaverHomework
Sure but the people did go along with it. The Christian people.
DexterDouglas
If you sit down at a table with 9 crusading christians...
Tumescentpie
Actually calling yourself a Christian does make you one. There is not a loyalty test.
squillis
There are, "You will know them by their fruit. ... every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."
One guess what kind of fruit the hatemongers bear...
dentd
I mean there is some talk about fake followers vs true followers in their book, they just ignore those passages.
CobainsSarcoma
acting like one is more in line with jesus' teachings than just saying you are
frontseatdog
Considering all the Christians who don't believe in a god or the divinity of Jesus, you should reconsider your claim.
meganical
Yeah, it is weird. I guess it’s like saying you’re a photographer when you simply enjoy taking pictures with your phone. What makes me laugh is how people who never go to church or only attend for certain holidays think they are devout Christians, or have even an inkling of what God wants or intends.
Tumescentpie
If you take pictures with your phone you are a photographer.
LADOW
Anyone who says they know "what god wants or intends" is a liar and should not be trusted.
slinkydust
If you play a sport but break all the rules are you actually playing that sport?
Tumescentpie
This analogy falls apart pretty quickly. Remember how I said there aren't tests required for Christianity? Only their pretend god can judge them. There are refs, judges, ruling boards, etc when it comes to organized sports.
If you are playing baseball and do not follow any of the rules, and say you are playing baseball it doesn't matter what I say about it. You are indeed playing baseball.
Does that help you understand this very basic topic?
torisenblack
Actually, if you call yourself a Christian and don't follow the teachings of Christ, you're using the lord's name in vain, and explicitly called out by their teachings.
Tumescentpie
And you are using cult logic to defend the cultists. Only God can judge, if we are going to sink into the silly.
So humans can't even judge whether someone is a Christian or not based on their logic.
Again, I'm correct here. I don't know how to change anyone's opinion. Especially when they decide to use cult logic.
TheTaoofRob
Good point
Tumescentpie
And these Christians just accept each other at face value. If a person says they are a woman, fine they are a woman. If someone says they are a Christian, cool beans. That is how it should work and does work respectively.
TheTaoofRob
You would think but this issue has ruffled the feathers of some of my strongest allies who are also conservative. I try to break down the barrier with logic but they will only concede any argument if I fall on my sword and agree to disagree or sometimes acknowledge the correctness of one their arguments but the minute I try to elicit that respect back they immediately get defensive and angry. So it becomes a draw in the end.
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
Some advice I've been hearing is that people dont tend to be willing to be logically brought out of a belief that they did not arrive to because of logic. Appeal to their emotions by citing the suicidality of trans youth with and without gender affirming care and also with and without support from a parent or family member. Meet them with the real human impact of their bigotry and ask them if there is tangible harm from accepting us that they can point to that surpasses the harm of rejecting us
nccomputermechanics4
There is a loyalty test for Catholics its communion and confession, for evengelicals its being saved and then doing nothing else to make you worthy. The real loyalty test is living in a way so that the preacher cant make a social example out of you. The loyalty test is not disagreeing with the church. For a bunch of freedom lovers these people run their churches like a communist country.
Tumescentpie
And what is the loyalty test for non-denominational Christian?
nccomputermechanics4
Pick your poison all religions have a social loyalty test of some kind a feed back mechanism to keep you in the church and paying the church. When you dont meet it you are shunned in some way. This is true for all western religions, i cant speak for any of the others.
Tumescentpie
Yep. Sure they do. And for Christianity the loyalty test is saying you are a Christian.
You can't seem to speak at all on this topic without being wrong.
StarwarsGuy
James Chp. 2 v. 14-26 goes over this, calling yourself one doesn't necessarily mean you are Christian. You can call yourself Christian but without works to back up the faith is empty and dead. So you can identify as one but not be in accordance with the doctrine.
Tumescentpie
It doesn't go over this. It just says that you should do the thing if you say you are the thing. Using the Bible isn't going to help you here. The Bible is full of contradiction. And the point is how society works.
Christians haven't rejected trump as a whole. He won huge swaths of Christian votes, but he violates that James passage and so many other things.
You can pretend I'm wrong, but the facts show me to be correct.
StarwarsGuy
I'm so confused as to what point you're trying to make because your 2nd sentence reinforces everything i just discussed. I'm aware it's full of contradictions im using their own source material to reference what they should believe in. I'm not pretending anything you're just reinforcing my own point while being redundant about it.
Tumescentpie
No it doesn't. But okay bye.
StarwarsGuy
That's what I thought. You send an illiterate mess of nonsense and you do nothing but post political content. Useless as fuck.
Necrothean
Yes. "I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and personal savior" on your deathbed equals salvation, aka John 3:16 Christians
JasonThorn
They do get into heaven if their decision is real and not a cop-out, but they arrive in heaven with nothing but their life. "Each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."
BilltheCatisBack
Does this mean that you aren’t a Christian until your deathbed. Explains all the lying, adultery and molestations we see in the news.
Nonada
Came to say more or less the same. I mean it'd be pretty meaningless to claim to be a Christian and then not even believe in the guy the religion is named after
RocMage
As I understand their beliefs, the test comes at the end.
meganical
Technically, baptism is required at some point before death.
pookieeatworld
According to some doctrines, yes. But there are Anabaptist denominations as well.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
as i understand reality, the the end never actually comes
RocMage
Tumescentpie
That is silly and illogical.
There isnt a test. It is a bunch of various cults and the only thing you have to do to be a Christian is say you are one.
I get that people refuse to understand this, but it is this way. Show me a validation test practiced on earth that invalidates someone saying they are Christian.
For instance trump says he's Christian when he's clearly pretending. But that makes him just as Christian as the pope.
OrThatsWhatTheySayAnyway
They mean where you wake up after you pop your clogs, meet your maker etc.
It was meant by the poster as a humorous quip rather than a factual statement, or reference to any specific act.
hellothisispeggy
My favorite is that one that says any true christian can move mountains (Matthew 17:20) and yet none of them can which implies none of them are.
SandyRiverDL
There are, strictly speaking, tests mentioned in the book. Be kind and help others who need it is the gist of it. Of course, basically all of modern Christianity is descended for the Imperial Church of Rome, which was a tool of the Roman Patrician class and thus didn't like treating others as equals...
Tumescentpie
Which book? There isn't even a single standard book. Hell. I could write a new version of Christian Bible keeping Which parts I like and rejecting others and it would be just as Christian as any other Christian Bible. Which is exactly why there isn't a single standard book.
Ultratoxic
I mean... Are you doing things that Christ did? Would Christ do the things you're doing? I'm personally an atheist so this is an academic question, but the term "Christian" would imply the test is how christ-like your actions are. That comparison itself is subjective because no one actually met the guy, but if I had to answer I'd say that is the test.
Tumescentpie
None of those things matter. Christ didn't even exist.
I'm sorry that I am trying to apply logic to religion, because one of them is going to break here. But I am seeing a lot of silly cult apologist saying weird cult stuff I syead of logical questions.
If you are an atheist as you claim, then you know the only barrier to entry is saying that you are a Christian. We arent even talking romans 10:9. Just saying you are makes you one. And your false premise is false.
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
Then what does? Because the terfs have decided that Imane Khelif isn't a woman despite the fact that even by their own standards she is one.
Mcmaclassie
I've literally seen a psychologist and the only reason they didn't give me a gender dysphoria diagnosis then and there was because it hasn't been 6 months since I realized I was trans yet. They did kind of give me a bit of a "wink wink nudge nudge" unofficial diagnosis though :P
IHateApostrophes
Is that in the US? Such an arbitrary standard, I wonder which board meeting for the DSM with a bunch of old cis white dudes was the one where someone pulled "maybe six months sounds good?" out of his ass while everyone nodded in approval knowing nothing of the trans experience.
Mcmaclassie
Canada, actually. No way I'd have the courage to come out to anyone if I lived in the US.
LtRooney
Only conventionally attractive, white, cis women count as "women" for them.
JustDontCare
There is no standard. Only highly mobile goal posts that shift to wherever they feel they need to be to see themselves as having a competent argument. Vroom vroom go their goal posts.
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
Their standards have to be prohibitively complex and specific in order to weed out the groups they dont want to include without excluding people they do want to include. It's why the slightly more educated among them won't mention chromosomes, gamets, or genitals because there are cases where cis women are born with a penis, without ovaries, or with any chromosome configuration that isn't XX. They dont want to admit that the reality is their basis is essentially a vibe check in most cases
Illithidbane
They gerrymandered gender.
ParryLost
Sounds like biological sex is actually complicated, and not a simple binary... And like TERFs are gender-essentialist anti-feminist bigots.
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
Lmao yeah, I'm curious to get tested, but based on symptoms it's actually looking reasonably likely my configuration is XXY. Explains all my long bones and why im just basically a leaner and less hairy version of my brother also explains why as "biological male" I was at 360 ng/L (I think that's the right units) of testosterone at 27 despite being in good health
casualgenderquestion2718
As it goes “Without double standards, they’d have none”
OtterlyMagnificent
And they have a TERRIBLE track record even with their convoluted rules.
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
Yeah, I'm actually curious enough to get a test because theres a decent chance im an XXY trans woman and see if my parents shift on the issue if that turns out to be the case. They're wicked uncomfortable and heavily biased, but they're not MAGA crazies, so they're more reachable than many conservatives
dragoonwraith
Genetic testing will absolutely reveal if you have XXY chromosomes. It’s part of the reason biology professors don’t have students perform their own chromosome analysis as part of the lab course, despite being a relevant, interesting practical experience appropriate to the course: in a large enough lecture, odds are somebody’s gonna make an unexpected discovery about themselves and “in front of the entire biology class” isn’t the ideal time or place for that.
OtterlyMagnificent
It's also why they stopped doing chromosome testing for professional sports.
khora
Also why they stopped that kind of testing in sports long ago because it misfired so often.
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
Almost every net they cast hits more cis women just as a numbers game. Cis women make up roughly half the population. Trans women make up about 1%. Even fringe cases among cis women are typically more common than being trans. And then of course there are trans men who they routinely forget exist when raising all this stink with results that usually bring the exact opposite effect as they desire
dragoonwraith
Honestly, even setting aside the disgusting bigotry of the whole thing, the human race would really just in general be much better off if more of the population had enough grasp of the fundamentals of statistics to understand this sort of thing. It comes up a lot, on a lot of different topics, and it’s a big part of how statistics are abused to mislead people.
IHateApostrophes
Is it 1%? I thought it was closer to 0.5% (nearly half of trans people [who make up about 1% of the population]) but maybe I'm wrong
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
Yes, that's true. One draft of the message during editing said something along the lines of "cis women make around half the population and trans women are only 1% of that" but I guess that got cut up somewhere. I have a bad habit of refining messages for too long and making cuts/edits until I get to the point where I make other mistakes as a result of changing each part separately from the others.