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You may be familiar with this scene. The Joker playing with Batman while Batman struggles to understand just what he is. You may also remember this specific moment where the Joker says this:
“You know, for awhile there, I thought you really were Dent. The way you threw yourself after her!”
Seems like a throwaway taunt until you remember one specific moment from the previous scene.
Batman arrives at the scene of the car chase headed by the Joker. Batman drives his Tumbler into the garbage truck in the Joker’s convoy. He turns around to face towards the Joker.
The Joker looks back towards the Tumbler and mumbles a “hm” seemingly mildly surprised at this turn of events.
Basically, that was the moment the Joker realized Dent wasn’t Batman. Of course he wasn’t, because Dent was inside that armored car. The Joker was telling the truth.
This is probably obvious and I was probably supposed to catch on to this easily but I think it’s an example of the watertight writing for this movie. Truly a masterpiece.
EdwardSanders2808
Watertight writing? Come on. Dude, seriously. Come on. Watch the movie and turn your brain on.
DMSledge
Of course its watertight. Otherwise the boat plot would have sunk before he could contrive more.
SorDavos
Dent was a fit dude openly going against the mob. Even in the comics, a lot of people thought he was Batman until he became Two Face.
michaelbishop
Perfect 5/7
HumorousSmile
Obvious or not, my favorite post in UserSub tonight. Well done
0I230
HuzPro
Not only u, its mine too :3
KanyeWesticularCancer
Matthew51376
Mockingbirb
Agreed! Here, for you @OP
styvan
I feel like I should know this, but what is this gif from, I totally forget.
escrow78
Thanks
BangBangLuckyLuke
ebai
Heard this scene was improvised. Joker clapping was not in the script. Subtle, but really captures his personality. Such a good trilogy.
asiankanyewest
A perfect 5/7
avellable
If it’s not Dent, then who is Batman?
Overditherneverover
I’m batman
catlovesfood
dazedNconfuzed
Be at the sprinklers at 3:32am, third Tuesday of the month.
answermyquestions
Oliver Queen
GrayMask
For future use:
KentuckyFriedChildren
Awesome, far better quality!
Scuttlebutte
better
LeifAshley
Doing the lord’s work, you are.
IwishKimPinewasmygirlfriend
"I think you and I are destined to do this forever"...irony.
SorDavos
I wanna see the alternate universe where Ledger didn't kill himself and they got to use the Joker in DKR.
johnnydarkside
A play on the concept that all these villains only exist because batman does. Is he the solution or cause?
imooforyou
The longest running bit on Batman and Jokers dynamic is - in a truly sick way - they need each other. Its fascinatingly dark and revealing.
Namotatop
Sidenote: This "cause or solution" paradoxon is one of the main reason I still consider batman to be the best written superhero series.
hcandotherletters
Man, there's just so many good batman arcs. Like the Killing Joke had an actual psychological question being can one bad day make you crazy.
Namotatop
I agree 1000%. As I said, it's just one of the main examples I would give if someone asked me why I consider it good writing.
PhunsukhWangdu
Huh, that's actually brilliant. You deserve a +1, @OP.
Leaveittojebus
*SPOILERS*
McJaews
Question: What happened after Bruce went out the window after Rachel? Did Joker and his goons just leave the party quietly?
KentuckyFriedChildren
They make balloon animals for everyone
coolaggro
I mean he knew that the bat wasn't there anymore and his guys had been beaten up so I guess they just left
wangchangbackup
I love this movie, but "watertight" goes out the window after the party scene.
Julio9
i agree, a masterpiece
jakaii
That moment has always made me crack up. *bigass heavy dump truck basically goes POOF and disappears* Joker: "Hm..."
NapoleonTrousersnakeBonaparte
jaminjimmyjames
doot
Butane9000
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mrmessma
I fully endorse rememing this with other faces, but changing the number of syllables is really messing with my brain.
jaminjimmyjames
Well, there it is uh-therfucker
nitrowrench79
This is the one and only movie I paid to see twice in theaters. It is incredibly fucking good.
Churtothechur
Guess I need to watch this again. Cheers @OP +1
SHIKAKAAAAA
Guess I should watch this.
ImmaNeedBoutTreeFiddy
I just watched it again yesterday. I usually watch once every couple months anyway'
NickNoltesStuntDouble
Same. I usually make I through the trilogy every month or so. Hard not to.
NickNoltesStuntDouble
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BannedAcc1
I like the part when the joker switches the addresses of dent and Rachel. Batman thinking he’s gonna save Rachel but instead it’s dent
beer200000
Same here and how it ties into what the OP posted
Slander7
And the survivor knowing he meant to save the other person.
Bricklemeyer
I don't think so. Dent seemed to think Bats wanted to save him, hence why he hated him afterwards
Slander7
You're right, that was the result, but I think the Joker didn't know who Batman would choose (self vs duty), and swapped the addresses 1/2
Slander7
to sadistically destroy Batman's relationship with the survivor over the mutual knowledge of the failure, and the "wrong" person surviving.
Slander7
If he just wanted Dent to survive and Rachel to die, he could have done that without giving Batman the (swapped) choice.
ConAirWasAGreatMovie
He went for Dent
BaconIsGod
If you rewatch..as Batman is leaving the building after the interrogation Batman states that he is going for her. Joker swapped address
nuclearpotatoDK
No Batman knew the joker would switch, he needed dent to live.
BaconIsGod
http://www.moviequotedb.com/movies/dark-knight-the/quote_6158.html
NairnyBear
He literally tells Gordon that he's going after Rachel. If he knew they were switched, why lie to the Commissioner?
nuclearpotatoDK
Because he knew they wouldn't make it, it's really obvious, I can't believe you guys didn't realize.
DrSharkbite
cryborg
Someone recently told me I look like Mr. Skinner.
ARealDjentleman
Stupid sexy award-winning Flanders.
Doomgriever
Noob3rts
Time for a Simpson's movie in real time, let's goooo!
BahamutBBob
FFS, Gary can play anything...
WhatFuckingNameIsntTaken
I see Thomas Shelby got promoted to judge
Mockingbirb
Thekindofkindlyman
amyrose
For it to get stuck in everyone's head https://youtu.be/KzyHV2_T33Q
ISHALLSMITETHEE
He looks like Gordon Freeman from HL
BahamutBBob
We need a Half-Life movie now! @gayben
chiakat
What’s this scene from?
WillAWillowEverWalllow
The dark knight rises
ElBarbu
Good job, Batmarino!
RobinCaged
Aanndd i just noticed that Tommy Shelby was Scarecrow. Ah, i love that man. Not as much as Gary Oldman, but still.
NinjasStoleMyMama
Cillian Murphy is great.
SgtHartman013
LOL
EveryonesIdolGorokun
KentuckyFriedChildren
That high frame rate, thooooo
THEREALFOLKBLUES
cyndrin
On a side note, I AM VERY GLAD GARY OLDMAN FINALLY WIN A FUCKING OSCAR
toastyrotzy
Such a fucking good movie. Fuck Heath was such an amazing and gifted performer
ohdeepthought
NoxPhoenix
Another thing to think about is that while surprised the outcome was planned for. The goal for the entire countdown was to draw out... 1/2
NoxPhoenix
...was to draw out Bateman. By going after Dent in the armored car he gets that. Whether it's him or not he knows he'll be there to protect
Ishkabibble317
Gotta be said... Heath was the best Joker. Ever. Rip.
msdtra
honestly i prefer Caesar Romero's clown prince of crime because it reminds me of the madness of the real joker along with Mark Hamills joker
MalukuSeito
I always reminds me of Mikeys review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFTmCqq-rYc
MOTHERFUCKINGLUCIFERMORNINGSTAR
While i agree, every joker had a different motive and purpose. Jack Nicholson's joker couldn't have been done by anyone else. Same here.
Quessan
Vastly different incarnations of the Joker too.
DukeDarkwood
Jack nailed that portrayal. Cesar Romero's face is so wonderfully expressive, and Mark Hamill knows just how to use the voice itself as a
DukeDarkwood
means of channeling Joker's personality. I really need to see the DK trilogy so I can properly assess what Heath brings to the table.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
And then there's Leto
TheOtherOneWithTheHair
Leto was fine, get off the mindless circle-jerking bandwagon
LiquidMilk
Leto's Joker seemed a product of a careful study of all the source material with the intention of ignoring it as thoroughly as possible.
TheOtherOneWithTheHair
There was some alternate universe one that they were going for and pretty much nailed it. Most of the hate just comes from being post-Ledger
LiquidMilk
For me it's more that it feels like the movie explicitly has to state how crazy Joker is. This counts for all characters of that movie - 1/2
dalml
Leto seems to overdo every role he gets nowadays. His earlier work was much better, IMHO.
SorDavos
I think we put too much stock in the actors. They work with what they are given, and the Snyderverse mostly gives shit.
SorDavos
Having said that, he didn't need to do all those things to the cast. I wouldn't stop Will Smith if he decided to kick the living shit of him
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
DignamWhenAskedaQuestion
I thought his version was one of the Robin's brainwashed into the Joker ?
SorDavos
That is a theory with some weight, but that is all it is. A theory.
ruferto
leto's joker was great imo. he was a good representation of what a plausible modern-day joker would be like. its not a competition
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ruferto
think of it this way - take each joker and shuffle them all up in the batman movies. they would just be a bad fit in other movies
ruferto
if you disagree with that feel free to tell me why yo uthink i'm wrong tho. but comparing him to other jokers is like comparing ice creams
somekindafuckingidiot
probably because the other jokers tried to be like the joker, while leto tried (was directed to) act like something no one wanted
ruferto
viewing him (and the rest of the cast) as a character that could fit into a modern city, he works. kinda like if michael jackson went joker
NullSecc
RichardFenn
But his plans tend to work out quite well. Robbing a bank, Capturing Rachel and Harvey, blowing up a hospital, ... -
RichardFenn
- ... being caught on purpose with an escape plan. The only one that didn't work was the loading two ferries with explosive ... -
RichardFenn
- ... and being able to control them.
FallingStar7669
But even then, he had a backup; he was equipped to kill both. Thing about plans is that some people have plans to ruin yours.
PhailRaptor
Basically every supervisor at work....
KentuckyFriedChildren
I recall reading a thread on Fark shortly after TDK was released that surmised the Joker’s strategy perfectly: he has a pyramid of 1/2
KentuckyFriedChildren
Ongoing plots which are occurring separately from one another, so even if one or more fail (which we may not even hear about on screen) 2/?
KentuckyFriedChildren
Those which do succeed advance his overarching agenda of anarchy and chaos 3/fin
lamesvanboring
I am so confused - this is just two pieces of related dialogue in a movie. Am I missing something?
DarthFutuza
No, there's nothing profound about this. If you didn't notice it by the 2nd watch you clearly have a hard time paying attention.
Stanbob
I've reread this post a couple times and still don't have a clue
BarretXIII
just random fans gushing about the "sublime masterful" writing, when in reality they're grasping at straws of merely decent continuity
LowFucntioningSociopath
Somebody in my gaming community tried to tell me Leto's Joker was better than Heath's... Said Heath's was a "methed-out hobo". We don't talk
pshelton44442
Good...you don't need toxic people like that in your life
TheOnlyWulf
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/78/55/e1/7855e1e3e36f867a7724dbe2a88a17ab--ron-lyrics.jpg
LowFucntioningSociopath
One of my all-time favorite Swanson quotes.
Mikanojo
i just thought Leto's Joker was the much younger, punk version. i think BOTH versions offer us good lessons about how NOT to be.
DarthFutuza
Sure, but it wasn't the joker. It was some new character.
LowFucntioningSociopath
Punk? To it seemed like a clown got raped by mumble rap.
Wanderingmaniac
I don't get it. I assumed this taunt was a reference to him throwing himself from the building in an attempt to catch Rachel.
KanyeWesticularCancer
It was. It was also when the Joker thought it was Dent until the chase.
NairnyBear
Yeah, I really don't see what's so incredible? Are movies so shit nowadays it's considered brilliant writing to reference earlier scenes?
Wanderingmaniac
To be honest I thought there is something incredible and rereading for over an hour before I realised what he's stating is just plain fact
Wanderingmaniac
But in pop's defense he did say its obvious
NairnyBear
It's a well composed post, I'm just confused that it's doing this well, with so many super impressed comments
DarthFutuza
Honestly? Yes. Most movies are really that crappy.
Pootah
It ain't that watertight, the scene where he catches Rachel just ends with the Joker still in the penthouse and Dent locked in a closet.
DROlD
Also there has been in history both Batman inpersonators and other people like Alfred dressing up as Batman
PhailRaptor
But the Joker didn't know Dent was locked in the closet. And that scene is before both that OP is referring to here. Loft -> Chase -> Cell.
xoverthirtyx
Wait, but the Batman is Dent scenario isn’t even a thing until after that, & @OP how’s joker confused if D is in the armored car?
DarthFutuza
Sure, but he's still right. The scene never concludes. What does the Joker do...just leave when he can't find Dent? Did he get bored?
Pootah
Fast editing to cover up plotholes and nonsense are like the Christopher Nolan trademark, all his films have it in spades.
dingdongbannu
This. In inception they don’t even explain where he got the coordinates for the lab considering he gave them to himself
Hamncheezsandwich
Some say that's part of the whole "is Cobb dreaming the whole thing" issue.
dingdongbannu
The Nolan Scapegoat “he’s dreaming it all” to avoid explaining the plot properly
Hamncheezsandwich
I think your derision of Nolan is a bit strong, but I agree that his stories are kinda loosey goosey with plot holes.
callumgee
I thought it was because he literally threw himself out of the window after her when they hijacked the party earlier on.
edissick
It was. This is just retard people tryin to sound smart
wrestlewolf
That's correct, I think this post is wrong.
immodicus
Glad it wasn't just me, I was kinda scratching my head to understand OP's logic, no offense.
Jubilieus
no no, he's not saying that isn't why he said that, he's pointing out when the joker in the previous scene realised it wasn't dent
DrunkAnna
That was why Joker thought Dent was Batman. It wasn't until the chase that he encountered Dent and Batman in the same place at the same time
EasyRider46
So what's the point of this post? To acknowledge a clearly obvious reference ? No wonder movies are getting dumber...
saneandmundane
I thought he knew Dent wasn't Batman, because the joker looks up and down the street while toying with the convoy, waiting for him to show
saneandmundane
(4) breaks him which begins their f'd up relationship in the movie's universe but I don't know shit about film. Probably my BS take on it
saneandmundane
(3) have considering how destructive it was. I think it was this moment he considered the potential chaos batman is capable of if he...
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
Sure, but his plan already involved the Batman capturing him during that chase sequence. Why would he have planned that IHT Dent was Batman?
PlainviewUVGF
He wanted to get caught. He didn't think it was going to be Batman catching him, but the cops.
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
He wanted to get caught so he could kidnap Dent and Rachel, so he could make Batman decide between them. Hard to do if 1 of them IS Batman.
saneandmundane
(2) I took the "Hmm" as being mildly impressed by what he's capable of doing (taking out the garbage truck) which is a funny reaction to...
z0civic
I agree with this. He was looking around as he was baiting Batman and the "Hm" is a comical underreaction to an extreme event.