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Seriously, we all think that. Stop with the gender baiting shit.
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Jan 20, 2017 10:17 AM
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Seriously, we all think that. Stop with the gender baiting shit.
Potato quality meme is potato quality.
LadyNetrex
A woman was recently charged for lying about rape here in my home town. It's a good thing.
GapingAnalCavity
"I see way more complaints about x than I see x"
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
@op and rapists ought to go to jail, regardless of their swimming records..
GhillieTrollAskold
Well, everyone except feminextremists, because jailing women for committing a crime is sexist!
DemonicPossum
And its often used as an implicit smokescreen to draw attention away from just how much sexual assault occurs and is un reported
bignick1988
Rape cases become false when the "victim" admits to lying. Exoneration for the innocent is more important than punishment for the accuser
MojalefaH
I've seen more people complaining about the complaining and people like me complaining bout the complaining bout the complaining.
Bbbrrr000ccckkk1
I believe people should go to jail for lying about being raped insofar as people should go to jail about falsely accusing someone of murder.
RaynWisp
I've been accused of both - the rape one was worse, by far.
LeaveLuck2Heaven
Rape is like any other crime - the perpetrator normally wouldn't do it if they didn't think they could get away with it. It often (1/2)
LeaveLuck2Heaven
(2/2) happens in situations where people are afraid or unable to report. False accusations are rare; so is reporting/pressing charges
chiropterascientist
I mean, Imgur hates women and this type of post allows for a woman hating circle-jerk.
scorks
False. Imgur loves women when their tops are off. Other than that, they're the devil. That's how this works, right?
PlbMak
False accusation. Breaking the law! Breaking the law!
electrichowl
1/5 women are sexually assaulted while in college, can we show some concern for that? More rapes go unreported than false accusations.
xyrax
WE DO! We literally do! I have no idea why you would pretend that NO one pays attention to it.
069988244
Here's the problem. The same issue you have with rape accusations; it's so hard to prove. Many people will be falsely imprisoned. 1/2
069988244
And it probably won't help stop people from getting falsely accused anyway 2/2
Honeybadger2198
You don't understand. Only the popular unpopular opinions get upvotes. Try posting an unpopular opinion no one agrees with and see.
realHephaestos
Honeybadger2198
ButCanTheyBeatGoku
That's because this is the paradox puffin.
shartsicle
1/ We already have laws against perjury. If you lie under oath, you go to jail, period. I support these laws. Jail for non-perjury speech is
shartsicle
2/2 probably not how to maintain a functioning democracy, strong human rights, & rule of law. No change of law needed; just enforce perjury.
rockyhorrorisme
Men who make false rape accusations should also go to jail.
greylegfaceman
Well I definitely don't agree. The amount of false accusations is fractional in comparison and few women come forward, why make it harder??!
DarthDiggler
Yeah the problem is a women's testimony of rape is very powerful.
Floorboob
I think everyone should go to jail
PlankTableGo
Actually, there are plenty of people who don't think that.
MichaelAndersen88
There are people that say that cops should just believe women, because rape kits, questioning, and trials are too stressful for rape victims
JimmyTwoTimesTwice
Sadly this is true
ChildOfThanatos13
I've seen more people complaining about the complaining and people like me complaining bout the complaining bout the complaining. COMPLAIN!
Rifneno
The problem is you haven't recognized the unfortunate change from Unpopular Opinion Puffin to Things Usersub Agrees With Puffin.
teal6
I find it extremely weird the level that men on this website are obsessed with this. Never once worried about it myself
LittlePinkAnimal
I know, right?
BakaWakka
I am not worried about my health. Why are people so obsessed about vaccines on this site?
StooperDave
I know two people who were impacted by this in my friends circle. its a serious issue that all men should be aware of before going on a date
teal6
It's statistically quite rare. Maybe they actually did it? More likely overall.
StooperDave
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
atairov
The kinds of ppl that control the stats research on this labeled "forced envelopment" as something other than rape.
electrichowl
Y'ALL MISOGYNISTIC AF SOMETIMES
Jusmar
How
Alahrek
Because 'the left' won the culture war, and many millennials subscribe to the false dichotomy of the right and left, or anti / pro woman.
Jusmar
And the right won the election so these next 4 years are going to be ugly
scorks
If you want an answer, pretend you are a woman and deal with issues that women face daily. Then re-read comments on some of these posts.
Jusmar
And asking "how" leads you to believe that I'm not a woman? Nice.
scorks
Hell, you might be. I'd be surprised if you are and haven't been able to see why a lot of people on imgur can be misogynistic though lol...
scorks
Hell, you might be. I'd be surprised if you are and haven't been able to see why a lot of people on imgur can be misogynistic though lol...
Jusmar
Damn people, I asked a fucking question
Alahrek
i.e. you're either with them, or against them. There's your answer. I'm left leaning myself, but stuff like that makes my blood boil.
TheNonPCJerk
Apparently standing up against false rape reports is misogynistic. Is defending them pro-feminist then?
TableLamp
They are saying that its not just women that lie against rape.
bleekosa
You have completely missed the point.
Alahrek
'rape is bad' - wow, must have taken a lot of brainpower to come to that conclusion. You're very brave. | Can we cut the bullshit?
bleekosa
Oh god thats not the fucking point.
bleekosa
Nobody thinks its misogynistic to stand up to false rape accusations. But everyone is tired of hearing people use it as an excuse to 1/
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bleekosa
There are no allies, none of us has any clue wtf is going on. The point you missed has nothing to do with feminism.
TheShogunMustGoOn
It's time to stand up and say, " I believe those things that everyone else believes!"
starl0rd
Aka... "I browse @Imgur!"
scooterific
I've met people who think that they shouldn't because "no actual crime was committed". Its a struggle listening to people like that
Dumbladorable
47620
I believe those things that everyone else believes!
Oyarsa
By God you're right, I too will stand up for things as long as there are no negative consequences or work involved whatsoever!
degenerator
Only if everyone else is standing up and saying it, though. Stick with the script.
ConnorFairchild
Correction "Anyone" should go to jail for the "purposeful" false accusation of rape
ketochris
Ah yes. The famous race between John Jackson and Jack Johnson. Save us Nixon!
Thre3zekiel
Yea, apparently not everyone or it would be a law by now.
GhostofCain
It's time to demand from the puffin-posters a source of the popular opinion they're arguing against!
The22ndDoctor
Shouldn't this be on a puffin?
OldmanX
Upvote for Futurama!
hesaidsarcastically
I choose to believe what I am programmed to believe!
DontBeSheep
"I say your 4 cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!"
LamarTheHeadhumper
DontBeSheep
Yet I quote it wrong..... The shame
The22ndDoctor
I am Sort-of-cus! No, I am Sort-of-cus! No, I am Sort-of-cus! No, I am Sort-of-cus!
BenderThe0ffender
Mimsey
Not everyone. Google "rape shield laws". A fairly large chunk of people want to decriminalize it to make more women come forward.
Mimsey
And do note I mean WOMEN. These are the same people who try to minimize male rape victims, who think women can't even rape anyone.
HoneyBadgerSC05
I'm against those things that everybody hates!
lintwizard
Well, I hate the bands that you like!
tehruffledjimmies
I am an advocate of changing bad things!
hellifiknowwhatsgoingon
I respect my fellow imgurian, but frankly, I agree with everything they just said!
FriendlyNeighbourhoodSatan
Now, i respect my opponent, but I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE JUST SAID.
AawesomeAardvaark
Miniature American flags for everyone!
degenerator
YUGE miniature 'Murican flags!
nerdguy99
Did you just assume my country
IWillNotDoubleTap
*TRIGGERED*
jab33677845
I assumed your freedom not your country
LamarTheHeadhumper
SonsOfMoog
Neat. Saving this for future misuse.
DontBeSheep
I looked everywhere for a gif from this episode, screw you!
LamarTheHeadhumper
https://morbotron.com/
DontBeSheep
Thank you so much! I've must've watched every episode over 10 times so I always have a good one in mind
GuruOfReason
You, sir, have changed my life!
FusRoDoodles
Men rarely report rape because they fear being mocked and that nobody will believe them. What do you figure will happen if they can go (c)
FusRoDoodles
to jail because their rapist can turn that stereotype around on them in the court of law? Do you think they'll be raped less?
YamatoIouko
I think men are gonna get the short end of the stick in this regard no matter what happens. We're disposable, after all. :/
Affray
1)I don't think it gets turned back around on men who come forward quite like that. It might be less likely for the case to get to the point
Affray
2)where the offender actually does jail time, but you don't really see men who claim to have been raped get punished for claiming so.
FusRoDoodles
IIRC, there was an SVU episode where a male stripper claimed a woman at a bachelorette party raped him. He was mocked, and in the (c)
FusRoDoodles
episode the woman brought up the fact that it can't be rape because he became erect. She then turned around and attempted to sue him (c)
atairov
Actually, "false allegation" has to be proved separately. It doesn't just result from a failed prosecution.
thehoesenone
I think it's simply because you are made to think there is no such thing as men being raped and nothing will be done anyway.
grumpatsurrisrex
Men are raped more often than they are falsely accused. We need to strengthen protections for all victims, not protect offenders.
FusRoDoodles
Here here!
AVoiceOfReason
Due process is protection that I'm willing to give all offenders of all crimes.
grumpatsurrisrex
I'm not arguing for changes to the legal system, I'm suggesting that our energy is better spent on helping victims.
grumpatsurrisrex
clarification: our energy as members of the public, not as a society.
anothersaltyturtle
Fear of being discredited applies to both genders, culturally we've made it so men feel like they would be mocked cause, how could a weak
anothersaltyturtle
female rape a man? That's pretty much our fault a society. Everyone can contribute to fixing that judgment.
sundaymondayhippyday
Or even raped by another male.
FusRoDoodles
You're right, but what kills me is people like the OP only thinking about the men who have their lives ruined over false accusations (c)
FusRoDoodles
when there are men on the opposite side of the spectrum as well. It's so easy to forget men are raped and need their voices too.
anothersaltyturtle
I agree. I absolutely understand how rape accusations ruin people's lives, but so does actually being raped...and both are absurdly
anothersaltyturtle
under reported AND thrown out in court cases most of the time honestly. Actual accusations don't really get far esp at universitys
youdontknowmeanddontneedto
The problem I see is that some men don't think they did anything wrong because they don't fully understand consent. 1/2
AkLonewolf
Consent: permission for something to happen or agreement to do something. pretty simple definition. How does one not understand that?
youdontknowmeanddontneedto
So two people are seeing the same act differently. Neither is lying per se, she felt forced but didn't fight it, he thinks she 2/3
youdontknowmeanddontneedto
didn't say no and loved it. 3/3
StooperDave
Didnt fight it and didnt say no, probably moaned and call him daddy. then the next day had regrets. lol
itsabouttogetspicy
THANK YOU. That's the part that never gets brought up and always struggle to articulate that point.
NotWelcomehere
Which is why I love the "Pussy Crushing" episode of South Park, they literally have consent forms lol
itsabouttogetspicy
Never seen that one! I'll have to give it a watch.
Affray
1)This definitely is the case sometimes, which makes it super tough to suss out what actually happened. Some girls are fairly quiet and
Affray
2)don't do much of the work during sex. It's scary when you don't know if she's just like that of if she's secretly feeling raped. Also,
Affray
3)I've noticed that it's usually these girls who don't make the moves, leaving all the instigation to the man. How could I possibly know if
Gibblesmish
"She FELT forced." Did he hold her against her will? Did he threaten or extort her, use violence or drugs? Can't blame the guy when she 1)
Gibblesmish
2) offers physical and verbal consent. If you don't want to, then just say it. If you don't but go through with it and give consent, I
Gibblesmish
3) fail to see how that's consider rape and not just a mistake
youdontknowmeanddontneedto
You shouldn't take silence for consent. If she verbally did consent, that's 1 thing. My point is that it's not usually that straightforward
Hell0Operator
/1. Im on the fence about this one, OP. Only 8% of cases are deemed "unfound". Most victims are already afraid to speak up because they
Thamutznutz
If proof of the lie is there. i.e. the accused is on cctv in another country and it was just a flat out lie - bitch needs to go to jail.
f5kt
Keep in mind that this statistic is based on cases that go to trial, not just reports.
umikaloo
I was thinking about that, it's a complicated problem that needs a better solution, it's unfortunate.
harharcharizard
A crime is a crime. Figure out other ways to solve the fear to report
iwouldeatyourbox
unfound ≠false allegation
Hell0Operator
Exactly... so if only 8% are unfound, logic dictates that even less would be outright lies.
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
CyborgScribe
It's not confusing. Unfounded can mean a real rape they just didn't have enough evidence to go after. So if 8% are unfounded then only...
CyborgScribe
...some portion, greater or smaller, are the result of lies. And some of those lies are probably things like mistaken identity rather...
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
You are forgetting about the poor bloke still locked up
pwnster1357
That's what I was going to say. How can you be on the fence about something that is proven in a court of law to be a blatant lie?
Secsletariat
i.e. he's not against the prosecution of liars but is against pushing for it without some attempt to correct the assumption that >>
Secsletariat
>>"not guilty" means "the victim lied." People are ALWAYS saying this when it goes to a civil case that wins.
Secsletariat
Because he's worried about the reverse? People not reporting because they think a "not guilty" verdict is synonymous with a false report.
pwnster1357
Someone being misinformed about how the courts work is not the informed's responsibility. Obviously, "not guilty" is not synonymous with a
pwnster1357
False accusation. Lack of education of the few should not hinder progress in the justice system, that's bullshit.
Hell0Operator
Fear retribution from the assailant. Now a prison sentence if the court doesn't find the guy guilty? On a civil side though, libel. Sue.
AaronGodgers
8% is not an insignificant number the 8% falsely accused. And as others mentioned not guilty isn't the same as proving a false accusation.
GimlisaurusRex
This is talking about truly false -- the "oh, ahaha, I was actually lying, now that the evidence shows he couldn't have done it" cases.
flamingflamingo
Yeah but he raises a good point. If this was an upstanding figure who DID rape someone, what if he sued her to make her look hysterical?
rikoschett
In the best of worlds the justice system should clear her from those false accusations. And maybe sentence him for false accusation 1/2
rikoschett
accusation. I agree that real rape victims don't need more pressure but those falsely accused also have right for justice...
Zerogates
Only 8%? So if there are 100,000 rape accusations then 8,000 innocent men just got branded a rapist. BIG problem there, that ruins you.
Zerogates
Down voting that being called a rapist when you are innocent is bad? You guys (or whatever gender you are) are a serious level of moron.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
Except they don't get branded a rapist. Actual convicted rapists often don't get branded a rapist. More likely, she's branded a lying whore
Zerogates
I worked social services helping people find work, don't brush it off. The rapist title, it ruins you, jobs, where you live, everything.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
Even if she isn't lying
scottishwhisky
2-10% of REPORTED rapes. Which is barely more than half of actual rapes.
Zerogates
Who cares what the % is, ALL rape is bad, ALL false accusations are bad, stop trivializing people's lives.
scottishwhisky
Supplying actual statistics is not trivializing. You are in dire need of perspective.
arkemiffo
A not guilty doesn't mean false accusation. A false accusation needs to be proven all by itself.
Barrezio
It's weird, like a lot of people don't understand how the laws they are supposed to be following work. They should (still) teach this in HS.
arkemiffo
Well, full disclosure. I'm not a US citizen, not do I live in the US. I've got my own laws I need to follow, but this is fairly basic stuff.
Barrezio
Oh, you're absolutely right. Unfortunately a lot of the "court of public opinion" types know very little about how the actual laws work.
flamingflamingo
All you need to do is finfind evidence of a thing NOT happening. Simple.
JesusHorsedickChrist
You have to find evidence that she lied. Social media, texts, or any friends she may have told can all be evidence to that.
arkemiffo
No, a false accusation needs to be deliberate. It needs to be shown that the accusation was a deliberate lie.
flamingflamingo
Okay. How do you prove that?
Syralight
If that happens then it is a real problem. In my country a lot of people go free in court, but that doesn't prove the victim was lying.
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
Should be innocent until proven guilty. False charges are a separate case, i.e. proof needed that they lied not just ID'd got the wrong guy.
Syralight
Yes.
itseasierbeingaslut
But that is not the point, the defendant dose not have to prove their innocence, that is how it is and should be.
Syralight
Isn't that what I wrote? I fully agree with you.
itseasierbeingaslut
"but that doesn't prove the victim was lying." infers what I was saying, might just be a misunderstanding.
electrichowl
"false accusations of rape can ruin a man's life" YEAH SO CAN RAPE, A CRIME WHICH MORE OFTEN THAN NOT GOES UNREPORTED
Iwannabekawaii
So we arrest the rapist and arrest the liar if they are found to have made a false report. Yay.
Ryukaa
So? Both opinions are not exclusive, you know?
Abbeel
silence.
randomowl23
On imgur they almost seem that way, though.
Abbeel
Yes. But heavy penalties being associated with "false rape" is easily exploited by actual abusers to force someone who is vulnerable into
Iwannabekawaii
So we let people go after destroying someone's life? No that's too much.
Abbeel
I don't see how letting someone get trapped in a cycle of abuse that involves them being raped isn't worse. it happens more often and is
Iwannabekawaii
So someone innocent gets no justice? I could see if it was due to mistaken identity but someone was actually raped but when someone lies no.
Abbeel
extremely under-reported.
Jusmar
So maybe report it and encourage your friends to not abuse it as a tool for petty retaliation
scorks
"Encourage your friends". Yes, brb. I'll just cc the entire female population and tell them to not lie under oath.
Jusmar
You missed the first half where I recommended that we tell everyone we know to report rapes immediately. 6 degrees of separation.
scorks
We *have* been telling people that. It's the underlying stigma and worry attached that's the issue...
Alwaysupvotesdoggos
That would also increase the amount of unreported rape out of additional fear that no one would believe them and then they go to jail.
StooperDave
better to let a million criminals go free than falsely destroy the life of one innocent person.
BakaWakka
That's not how it works. It would require PROOF that someone lied to be threatened with jail.
AdmiralButtStuff
That's a stupid argument. The only people that should be deterred from reporting a crime are the people making up the crime in the 1st place
gideonsd
But if you say it real fast with straight face sheep will buy it
sundaymondayhippyday
Alwaysupvotesdoggos
Have you ever been raped?
DataTrekker
-- bringing it up. Courts scary enough and then your rich rapist counter sues when it fails, not because you lied but mishandling evidence.
AdmiralButtStuff
Your rich rapist? Mishandling evidence? Seriously?
FusRoDoodles
Oh yeah, because Brock Turner is a fictional character.
AdmiralButtStuff
As shitty as Brock Turner is his case is far from the norm, and yes, 1 Brock is 1 too many, but you cant hold him up as the norm.
FusRoDoodles
Fucking bullshit. We've come a long way but pretending people still don't automatically scoff and assume somebody is lying for attention?
AdmiralButtStuff
WHAT?! If that were the case men wouldn't be serving years in prison for crimes didnt commit. Come on, get your head out of your ass.
FusRoDoodles
Yes, there are men who have their lives ruined by liars, but pretending rapists never get away because somebody didn't believe a victim?
AdmiralButtStuff
That's not what I'm pretending. We're not even talking about that. One conversation does not take away from the other.
thelaaaaaw
As someone who was raped as a kid, the fake claims hurt more because authorities become more skeptic, especially if the offender was (1)
thelaaaaaw
accused and put innocent due to lack of proof. This is in part that innocent or not, they become victims of witch hunt and have false (2)
thelaaaaaw
claims against them. It sucks but I think there should be a penalty for the fake ones, not prison but something to discourage those. (3)
DataTrekker
Yeah, should. But should and will are very different things, if you're worried you're gonna get counter sued by your rapist you'd avoid --
AdmiralButtStuff
Your speaking for a lot of ppl w/out data to back, but the solution isnt to keep exposing men to, and punishing them for, false accusations.
DataTrekker
But false reporting should carry mandatory time too, I think. It's all in all a pretty hard area to navigate.
itsabouttogetspicy
Rapists often don't even serve mandatory time. What the fuck does that count for?
AdmiralButtStuff
I agree, but I don't think it's that hard to navigate, like I said earlier, perjury is already a crime- we already have a framework for it.
TheRickestofMortys
So if an actual rapist is acquitted due to lack of physical evidence, then the victim goes to jail?
AdmiralButtStuff
What?! Are you retarded? That's not what anyone said. Losing your case isn't a crime. Lying under oath is.
hraka
Right. Except if you can go to jail for not proving your case. And since everyone is innocent until proven guilty...that can be hard.
AdmiralButtStuff
There is a difference b/n not proving your case and perjury. No one is saying send accusers to jail for losing their case.
hraka
But most people are saying you can't prove that difference and to the extent that you can...perjury and malicious prosecution are punishabl
hraka
But most people are saying you can't prove that difference and to the extent that you can...perjury and malicious prosecution are punishabl
AdmiralButtStuff
None of that is the point, and doesn't disagree with me.