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TwoForSpookin
SpitMatt
That CGI probably didn't cost a fortune tbh. VFX artists are woefully underpaid and treated as expendable, even though we're not
docchloroplast
Different people like different things. Clearly a top imgur post.
Jaymezians
They should have filmed on site for the Star Wars space battles.
DrankTooMuchMead
Also, the orcs in LOTR were way cooler than the CGI guys in the Hobbit.
Evo435
You say that but everyone lost their shit at this
nickoftime90
To be fair, I was pretty stunned at that scene
mazelt0vc0ckt4il
Live-action can actually cost more. apart from the workers that are unionized, you need permits equipment, transportation. Modern FX
mazelt0vc0ckt4il
industry is pretty new so there is a lot of room to underpay people as well as foreign companies that work & charge like sweatshops
Turbolibros
KenjiHimura
first time i've seen this.. lmao.. lol'd so hard.
spregan
Hello 2006(?)
Digimontana
sp1cychick3n
Still funny
TheWheelIsSpinningButTheMouseIsDead
"Stuff that up your hairless, flaccid assholes" - gets me every damn time
AnomiKrakenMous
/a/AnlcR22
fartfactory87
I can hear the second picture, it's actually my ringtone
CrazierConspiraciesThanTrump
Lord of the rings have better shots than most movies! And fun fact over how much running all the actors had to do They each lost some weight
BeamInYourOwnEye
I do like the increase of LotR stuff on Imgur.
Etrigan77
The new starwars movies did a LOT wrong... but the CGI was not what was wrong
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
It didn't help though. Imagine if they used miniatures and matte paintings like the orig trig.
Etrigan77
The movies would have still sucked ass. You see my point? Lol.
NiNinchBloodNinja
https://i.imgur.com/T9CBQ
YouWillAllReferToMeByTheNameBetty
Holy shit, what a ride!
kirmes
That's what Frodo said ...
EchoWhiskyBravo
Ugh. LotR vs SW again. Time for a nap.
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baconandmorebacon
It's the second worst discussion topic, after SW vs. SW.
malkavian3str
That shot is a bunch of identical models rendered in space with some basic effects.
JimStarluck
And it's re-using a model created for an earlier film.
Jawesome19
I'm a big fan of both. It's almost like it's personal opinion and different people enjoy different things in different capacities...
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Jawesome19
Neither did I. I was just saying it's not like cut and dry or whatever
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
The team that made Rise of Skywalker failed to remember a key lesson in visual storytelling: if you show an impressive thing on screen a...
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
...thousand times, it does *not* make it a thousand times more impressive. In fact it mostly makes for a crowded screen.
SaturnineCult
Just like the retouched originals. Some stupid horrible CGI animals running front of camera and you can't even see the original shot.
AvgWhiteShark
unclefishbits
If you want the final nail in the coffin of Star Wars as fantasy but not science fiction, watch the expanse.
Mitchz95
unclefishbits
I Cant!
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
I adore both but yeah, Star Wars is like 95% fantasy, 5% sci-fi. The Expanse is 100% sci-fi.
nonCanadianGoose
Practical effects and CGI can both be good or bad. It really how much time is given to them. Ppl, investors, grossly overestimate the>
nonCanadianGoose
>capabilities of CGI leading them to be more often rushed therefore poor quality
zerovanity59
They also have different roles. Don't use practical for effects that practical is not good at. I don't want to see fake skin textures.
SmokyDoggg
Yeah it helps when the story fucking makes sense though
ToasterDent
Yep, when I saw the ships scene, I was more "wtf where did he get all those ships" and less "man this cgi is bad"
lotrmith
And where did the crews come from
Sheldonian
For those that think only practical effects are good, look for the special effects in Forest Gump, it's about the execution
HMRyuuza
Or the Social Network. CG so good you didn't know it was used at all.
WoopDeFrickenDoo
like wearing nothing at all
FlyYouFLCL
Man I haven't watched it in 15 years does the black and white tv with gump in famous televised events hold up ok?
Jonnythetrout
Everything, except John Lennon's mouth. That looks really really bad.
Housemaster
They're definitely noticeable, but the effect still holds imo
BuBBaJoes
90% of the Never Ending Story is Atreyu and Artax running across fields and its awesome
JimStarluck
*This* Star Wars CGI is probably less costly than most. That Star Destroyer model is from Rogue One; they just copy-pasted it a bunch.
tarataqa
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
CovidIsAirborne
They had to fly out to New Zealand for that nice field tho
leroy666
Didn,t they film the whole movie in NZ?
MetaSomma
Practical effects are best effects
Housemaster
Good effects make the best effects, regardless if they're physical or digital...
NeverEnoughFoxes
Amen
Babaloga
For some jobs. For others, CG works better. Cheap CG always looks bad, as does cheap practical work. Turns out, good movies are good movies.
Fait
And cheap fx get better every day, as software gets better/smarter. Real fx has hit its limit untill life like robotics at tiny scale come.
FeminineBeeOnslaught
John Carpenter likes this ?
DaddyChillWhatTheHellIsEvenThat
CGI when done correctly will trump practical effects.
lucarioisbae24
Right! They totally just should have painted Mark Ruffalo green for the hulk!
Housemaster
And Rocket should have been a puppet! And Thanos an animatronic! And-
Rijtjeshuis
I think mostly practical with some CGI achieves the best results, Jurassic Park being a prime example.
zerovanity59
I don't think Jurassic Park as practical, it is more puppetry. The textures make it look like they are made out of rubber and not alive.
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
Puppets would be a practical effect
GifMagister
That is what practical is.
KartwheelKangaroo
That’s why I enjoyed the most recent Mad Max movie. Something 95% of the effects were real. So much destruction!!
Babaloga
The cars and whatnot were real. Still plenty of CG. The canyon run, for instance, was shot in an open field and composited into the canyon.
JanglesPrime
JanglesPrime
shred and hit the flame button from time to time.
ZiomalZParafii
Then you should enjoy this https://youtu.be/bL6hp8BKB24
SpammaJamma
One is a fascinating story, and the other is just s bunch of props on screen.
SpitMatt
Alternatively, they're both fantastic works of art in their own right. Who knew that art is subjective?
68people
Just like twilight is too.
AntRam95
Even in its own right, rise of skywalker was not a fantastic work, it wasn’t even mediocre
SociallyAwkwardCanadianMoose
I can deal with the first movie, but the last 2 of the sequels i want a redo...
Demonlettuce
How bout an undo?
sarkonas
So what, because I can find a mental patient that eats his own shit I can say turds are subjectively delicious? Please, stop with this crap.
FailedCrate
Disney produces scripts in laboratories, it's as much art in it as it is in pop music. It's garbage to sell to the thankfull indulged.
SouperScott
I'll let you know when I find someone that thinks ROS is a fantastic work of art. I would not advise you to hold your breath.
SpitMatt
I liked it for the spectacle. Is the best movie? Of course not. Is it a good movie? Debatable, but I enjoyed watching it and that's enough
Ithurial4253
Story was shit but the cgi and some of the visuals where pretty nice
AspieGamer
Clearly someone hasn’t visited the Star Wars subreddit. There are dozens of them! Dozens!
Crowlands
You can find 'em. Just like you can find people who think the earth is flat.
RyuNoel
You can also find people who think the empire strikes back is good like you can find people who believe the moon landing is fake.
RyuNoel
The existence of people who believe in one does not in any way correlate with people who believe in the other. Let em like things.
Deadpoolisfunny
Agreed. I'm not a fan of LOTR (please don't kill me), but I understand and respect that people love it. I love star wars, but respect LOTR.
Goldensands
If you like the sequel trilogy then you do not love anything, you merely fanboi it. Love means honesty, not blind devotion.
Deadpoolisfunny
I never said I liked the sequel trilogy. It's the worst part of star wars. But I must say, who are you to decide?
Deadpoolisfunny
You can't tell people what they're allowed to like or how they're allowed to like it. Hell, I like the prequels and I got flak for that.
TellusEidolon
The prequel trilogy was the best. It gave us so much meme material from a popcorn flick franchise
RyuNoel
If you love star wars you understand that only a sith deals in absolutes.
Goldensands
The absolute precisely being to like it in spite of it being terrible.
TellusEidolon
Actually jedis deals in absolutes too.
stankginchfurbuger
Subjective != every opinion is equal. Aesthetics is a huge philosophical discipline
SpitMatt
Yeah, and starwars has some fantastic top tier vfx and CGI involved, and always has. That's objective. Not liking the script is subjective
stankginchfurbuger
Ah! Reasoned responses. That is how we argue aesthetics. Thanm you
NotGonnaFlipMyShltToday
A crap movie is a crap movie, regardless of CGI.
RandyRandalman
This. It was blatantly clear watching the last two they give no fucks.
CookinOkie
I give two passes to Rogue One's Hammerhead scene and that FTL impact in the new trilogy. MMM that made me feel things.
Housemaster
The fucker sitting next to me had their phone going off during that FTL scene...
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
Crowlands
"Special effects are just a tool, a means of telling a story. People have a tendency to confuse them as an end to themselves. A special -
Crowlands
- effect without a story is a pretty boring thing." - George Lucas.
omuaomua
why would that CGI cost a fortune???
alvinthatsme
Time & effort ,skilled labour.
omuaomua
uhm
mikeatike
Sometimes because of it. (Green Lantern)
jp189512
Hey, a cavalry charge on a spaceship is expensive!
GreyKnightTemplar666
It's like slapping a fresh coat of sparkly paint on a turd. The structural base is still a pile of shit.
tg2222222
You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter.
DooksandPooks
Yeah it was never the cgi space ships that I had a problem with it was the DOGSHIT STORY.
MadMontyMN
I enjoyed it, even if others didn't.
Beezebubbles
Having a good story helps more than fancy effects. Terminator 2 would have been just fine with fewer morphing effects.
YuMoGuiGwaiFaiDiZao
Avatar (2009)
KarateCanine
*trilogy*
StankMasterFlex2000Andre
And then when a new Star Wars movie comes out, you all suck it's dick
StankMasterFlex2000Andre
Then 6 years later you shit on it
eathotdog
The thing remake is gawd awful
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
Have you looked into the behind the scenes stuff? They used incredible practical effects and the studio made them replace it with CGI.
FlyingButtPliers
Space ships can't figure out how to go up. Yeah ok.
FrogBotherer
Praising a movie for good CGI these days is a bit like praising it for being in colour.
tarataqa
But seeing a new movie with bad color is much more rare than a new movie with shit CGI.
TodayIsSlapANaziDay
In this case, it had both! What a time to live in
Housemaster
But good CGI should still be praiseworthy, no? Heck, films that do colour well should also be praised!
eathotdog
Yet they still manage to make cgi look terrible from time to time
Inkliest
Yeah, it looked ok but I was too busy wondering why and how tf they all got there.
HandoB4Javert
Sharknado was great with the opposite qualities.
jp189512
That's cause Sharknado knew exactly what it was, didn't take itself seriously nor try to veer away from it
YayItsMillerTime
Sharknado was a documentary
thepatioheater
Sharknado 2 is better than Sharknado 1. Fight me. 1st one relied too heavily on the joke that is Sharknado, where as 2 took it further!
TheMadArtificer
The order goes Sharknado 2 > Sharknado 3 > Sharknado 1, and then Sharknado 4 is one of the worst things I've ever seen.
HandoB4Javert
You're saying the sequel is the better one. If only my friends could come over for bad movies Sunday again. Can't wait until they do. :-)
Warumliegthiereigentlichstrohrum
Dear lord, I miss bad-movie-nights... Still got "megashark vs. Giant octopus" waiting to be made fun of
Valharroth
Agree, but there is something to be said about the cinematography in the sequels, especially the lightspeed suicide scene.
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
TLJ was gorgeous all around.
LiterallyNothingAvailable
The whole movie should have been a 10 minute opening scene to an entirely different movie.
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
LiterallyNothingAvailable
Brhino
That was really cool and also super immersion breaking. If hyperspace ramming is a viable thing it changes everything.
NateintheNorth
That's why in 9 they said "That was a million to one shot." Cuz it broke everything.
TrueLegateDamar
And then they did it again in the other film, the ending montage had another Star Destroyer cut in half the same way.
NateintheNorth
It did?
Matrican
It has been done once, I don't see how it cannot be done again if you put your mind to it. It literally makes fleets redudant.
LadyKayrularya
which re-contextualizes that scene in TLJ from a heroic self-sacrifice to a coward running away that got unlucky
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
What? No it doesn't.
LiterallyNothingAvailable
Then they proceeded to turn light speed into planetary teleportation.
Valharroth
Couple of droid controlled x-wings into the deathstar, boom boom pow, back home at the rebel base in time for dinner.
ATerribleArtist
To be fair... The empire trained anyone they could to fly an tie fighter, that's why they suck. Could easily see them justify kamikaze, or/
ATerribleArtist
The easier option, make hyperspace torpedoes. Every fight ends before it gets started. See an enemy, lock coordinates, pew.
FrogBotherer
And medals, except not for the Wookiee.
AmbroseGudmaker
They're a civilisation capable of easy space flight. Anyone could just chuck a can of beans out an airlock at the right time and do that.
Brhino
Right? Every old junky freighter with a functional hyperdrive is a potential weapon of mass destruction.
Matrican
"It WaS a OnE iN a MiLlIoN sHoT" seriously, people try to justify that whole scene. Like why are we suddenly afraid of a ton of Imperial
supervillainsevilmoustache
Exactly. Makes a deathstar look like an over engineered concept.
phobos535
LotR had tons of CGI in almost every shot, but it didnt jump in your face. Subtle, and mixed with practical effects
Danimalx23
Believe me, I wish we could do more practical effects with galactic space battles!
lockd
Ye I almost missed the CGI in the scene with the ghosts!
MightyIink
It was a different story with The Hobbit, Ian McKellen even broke into tears behind the scenes because he hated the green screens.
Arcrosis
Weta workshop know their shit.
RoscoePSoultrain
Just did the Weta Workshop Unleashed tour last week - very cool
lljkstonefish
The "running through Moria with pillars" scene was a special flavour of bullshit. The hero characters were one step up from T-posing.
fiddlewheelx
Yeah those ghosts might have had some CGI.
phobos535
Surprisingly little. I mean, yeah, the green mist and all that, but the people were basically recolored double and triple exposure
DeltaLaw
I feel the hobbit was too cgi heavy and this balance was missed. Definitely fucking nailed it in the lotr trilogy though
thewiggins
I think Jurassic park's effects hold up better
WhatD0thLife
Funny, they did exactly what made Jurrasic Park timeless and it worked again... if only other movies could do the same.
arnika69
Here here. Pioneered a lot of the effects we see today, too.
Acc87
Way more miniature work than full CG
Ryebread91
Cause they used practical cgi. Minas tirith was an actual model. The soldiers on too were real just edited in. The armies of orcs were 1/2
Ryebread91
Real just multiplied. It really shows how good a movie can look as opposed to the hobbit which was HEAVY green screen and cgi. 2/2
J0765
There’s several legolas scenes that look terrible
billingsworthswagamuffin
They basically shot that logic in the dick for the hobbit.
CloudStrife668
WETA Workshop knows what they are doing.
CloudStrife668
Still waiting on their version of Neon Genesis Evangelion.
SmartAssWithAKeyboard
The battle of Gondor was almost entirely cgi.
DooksandPooks
Yeah, the battles alone to so damn long to render. That shit was insane for the time.
Cilvaa
Yeah, a lot of the VFX was to create things that *could* exist but was impractical IRL, like Minas Tirith and the surrounding plains.
ArthurPhillipDent
Thats the key. If you make the real thing its then 100% easier to make any needes CGI version more convincing from reference
TheAxeNinja
That's why films like that and Jurassic Park last so long! Without practical effects, a film won't age well! Can't wait for Mortal Kombat
TheAxeNinja
They're using more practical effects where they can to bump up the realism
AchillesWithHeelGuards
Everything in the story made fucking sense too
Talligan
Game of Thrones was similar too. They used way more cgi than just the dragons and it was so subtle it was really great
godofhorizons
that’s not true at all. Most of it was done with practical effects and camera tricks
phobos535
A lot of it, yeah. And that then was supplemented with computer magic. And it still looks great
carlsagansghost
Yes, with lots of composite shots.
DKB13
The dead mumakil/oliphant thing was the largest prop ever created. Or something like that, could have been beaten was 20 years ago
S4GL0RD
In the making of you see how disappointed peter jackson was because he expected it to be bigger
TheAngryMarineBiologist
That's exactly why LOTR, Jurassic Park and Terminator 2 still stand as some of the best CGI in film history decades later.
kirmokum
JP and T2 had very few shots. the way they were shot and they types of shots they were make integration very easy.
kirmokum
LotR has loads of shots that do not hold up at all. the hero stuff was very good for the time but some of the green screes were pretty shit.
kkanne20
cue legolas and his horrible cgi stunts XD. you're right, though.
BlancheTuttle
I will forgive bad cgi almost every time if it's done in service of a great storym
GreenTeaParty
ok but the kids as hobbits though...
Imgerruinedimger
Tell that to this poor news guy. He was traumatized...
armagetz
Oh lawd I ain’t messin’ wit choo.
maeviecake
Lmao
SecretlyThreeDucksInAManSuit
This has me giggling like a maniac.
SirPoopsMagee
ParryLost
IamNotAshamed
Some of it really didn't age well either. But it's easily forgiven by how good the movies are.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
I did not like them...
Kargathia
LotR still had a VHS release. "Some of the CGI is noticeable" means it aged like Paul Rudd.
Targe0
Most of the outside running/walking shots were real even if they had to climb an actual mountain to do it. New Zealand just looks like that.
phobos535
Yeah, mostly. But even then, the background is almost always added in. You dont see Mordor and Amon Amarth from New Zealands hills.
Targe0
Only because they didn't have a large enough budget to build them full scale. /s
FishstickPizza
MPinky
Didn't this scene take the better part of like a year and a half to create?
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Orlando Bloom improvised this and Peter Jackson just kept rolling.
cyrilzeta
Still counts as one!
dingoflickums
You cheeky fucker
DiscountOneLiners
Did you post this because of the CGI or the jump-in-your-face? +1
LordCommanderTomSnow
There’s only three moments I hate in LOTR and it’s all Legolas doing X-treme shit.
BlueSheep
100% Real with no CGI. Trust me i'm an oliphaunt expert.
golubev85
He's a whale biologist
DontusetheMword
Amazing practical effects. Props to the props department
dcchillin46
You can really tell the difference between set and natural shots in the high def versions. Doesn't take away from the movie though
WaveMotionGum
People complain but try watching old films that use matte paintings for everything...they're still often good but it's pretty obvious
lljkstonefish
LOTR has matte paintings
WaveMotionGum
Digital yes?
phobos535
Its like porn. Too much resolution just ruins it.
derJake
It was great on the big screen back then imo, we've just come accustomed to other levels of visual trickery.
yermawsmaw
FussyZeus
Allowances must be made. The CGI was done at the very start of the oughts. It's aged pretty gracefully all things considered.
SirJimmothy
As I recall from the commentaries, they only got the program for CGI fire written near the end of Fellowship, but it let them do more later.
YouHaveNoodsAndIHaveAnInbox
Might be some of the first production cgi that doesnt feel like it totally missed the mark a decade later honestly. We’ve come a long way...
Targe0
They invented new tech for half of what they did. Which makes the fact most of it still holds up even better.
Infinias
I still like the fighting "ki" some of the soldiers did flee the battlefield bc the only had a fight and engage mode that meant run forward
ZackWester
wasn´t it that the AI calculated and when best option run. took the CGI team and the software team a few tries to get the orks to not run
Sillis
I refuse to believe it's been 20 years.
Talligan
No. No you're wrong, 1980 was 20 years ago
FussyZeus
Time is a lie.
aPokal
If you don't trust your own knowledge. If you don't trust your own eyes looking at the calendar. Trust your spine.