Chimichanga007
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Uvalde, TX
Police engage shooter before he enters school, shooter still enters school, and 19 children killed, no police fatalities.
Parkland, Florida, 2018: 14 students die in school shooting while officer cowers outside.
Vegas Massacre 2017: A SWAT team breaches the shooter's room to find he was already dead 1 HOUR and 20 minutes after he began killing 58 people and injuring hundreds.
Blabulus
But if you need a handcuffed person beaten to death, give them a call!
highhiedyin
They only shoot if you’re unarmed and non threatening and complying on the ground with your hands behind your back. Oh, and you’re black.
whitesebra
As a swede it’s hard to fathom the incompetence of the US police force
DrNoPants
Why do we still trust cops with guns?
jctaffy69
Fuck the cops
MelfsAcidArrow
If only school shooters would start with themselves first
Sokonomi
Youre right, dont arm the teachers. LETS ARM THE KIDS.
Whitebeardthepirate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW_H5s9uzqM
shdo2199
guys, it's not their fault that they didn't knew the shooter wasn't white
ATacoWalksIntoABar
“Armed, trained cops can’t stop a shooter - So we should arm teachers maybe they can do better!” I’m sorry but when are we going to start ..
ATacoWalksIntoABar
Classifying being “conservative” in the US as a mental health disorder? How TF is this reasoning “reasonable”?!
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
Officer safety
CAustinC0x
Starting to wonder why tf we funded them at all. (Oh, that's right. Cops started as the "strong arm" for those that ran villages... elites.)
BerniePie
Oh and lemme guess, guns for the public is amazing. Lemme guess, you vote for trump?
FlemReid
Alexa play: 'Fuck Tha Police'
Aquilarden
But without cops, who will show up hours later to shoot your dog when your house is burglarized?
BerniePie
https://www.police1.com/2016-in-review/articles/bravery-behind-the-badge-6-times-cops-saved-lives-in-2016-fadqdQaagXvre5Ef/
LupusLilium
Pfft. That's absurd. Everyone knows it's the ATF that shoots your dog.
DrasticBastard
They were protecting gun rights. /s
PaulHurley
forensicfilesbestofseason1
Failures
PicardNeverHitMe
Only time pigs engage is when they get the drop on their prey.
BerniePie
Oh i forgot that police are supposed to blindly get themselves killed for some idiot like you. They arent obligated to risk their lifes.
PicardNeverHitMe
Then they should find safer jobs
RetrogradeLlama
You don't expect them to take chances, do you? I mean, it's not like it's their job.
ruste
So much for the "good guys with guns" theory
upfr0mhere
To be fair they are excellent at breaking down the door of innocent sleeping people unannounced in the middle of the night and killing them
RetiredLaserMan
Nobody said anything about "good guys", they were cops...
CyanideBreathMint
Excellent point.
Vengeraxe
Actually this is a good point. This is Texas, according to them the kids in the classrooms should have guns too, 2nd amendment and all.....
Vortex153
Fox News’ first reaction as always was to say schools needed retired military and off duty police in every school
fartharder
But cut school funding too.
CommanderShitFace
Dude cops actually just suck. They can't even do the thing WE GAVE THEN TANKS FOR. They have fucking sniper rifles and shit dude. FUCK.
CommanderShitFace
I don't have free healthcare because these larpers wanted to have tanks and military grade equipment they don't know how to fucking use.
CommanderShitFace
Why do we let them have sniper rifles if they can't shoot through a fucking window. Fuck cops fucking useless abolish their asses.
BerniePie
You dont have free healthcare because you have a shitty goverment that lets civilians carry wepons and dumbasses like u breathe air ;)
Vengeraxe
It's as if (bear with me) they Don't actually have the training for this sort of thing, Or they are confused that its a white guy /1
Vengeraxe
that they have to shoot and they don't know what to do.....
donorkort
Why are American cops obese?
MadOatmeal
I think you answered your own question there...
BerniePie
Why are Humans obese. Again, some are and some arent.
AregularolPlumbus
Some are, some aren’t. Fat cops are usually the result of them never having to re-certify in any of their physical testing / training.
HiMyNameIsKevinIHaveChangnesia
That blows my mind. You have to pass a CPAT annually with most fire department positions or you’ll be out on your ass.
AregularolPlumbus
Yeah, fire departments are much more strict from my understanding.
Welliguessillgogetpants
Cops are giant pussies playing dress up and pretend. This just underlines it on a national level.
BerniePie
I like how 90% of people in this comment probably has never been in a dangerous scenario. Cops are normal people, with hard tasks.
Welliguessillgogetpants
This is literally why we have police. To protect and serve, not cower outside when it’s 1 VS 8+ armed cops.
Welliguessillgogetpants
And on top, stopping the parents. Fine, you’re human whatever etc your excuse is. Let the parents rescue their kids. Fuck off with that b.s
BerniePie
But ye, armed forces could have handled that situation better. Doesnt mean every single police is a chicken.
BerniePie
Also 1 against 8 can quickly change if the shooter is barricaded or hiding. One wrong turn and 4 police dead
Welliguessillgogetpants
Aw no! The police died doing their job. Do you shed a tear for every solider that dies?
BerniePie
So let the parents get shot? Also cops arent ment to take deadly risks. They investigate and bring justice.
Welliguessillgogetpants
There is literally a part in the manual that tells officers to engage the shooter as quickly as possible even if it’s only 1 cop. To 1/2
Welliguessillgogetpants
2/2 minimize the loss of life, it then explains that that officer may lose their life. Fuck out of here with your pussy excuses. Moron
Roqinn
Wait, the police engaged with the shooter BEFORE he entered the building?!?
MonchiComingAtYa
Who'd you think let him in?
Darklinkinfinite
But did they add “or else”?
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Evoshandor
Damn....
Chimichanga007
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-what-we-know/index.html
HelloImMarshall
PD has since said there was no first officer. Not great at figuring out their stories?
DangerTrain
The cops did more to stop parents from entering the building than the shooter.
CreepyPhlox
And apparently beat back parents trying to enter the building to do something.
CreepyPhlox
https://mobile.twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961
Steffn
Reasonable, you don't want parents running around in the school as well.
Beepity
There's no "as well" if the cops are refusing to go in
Steffn
You don't need 80 cops inside if he's contained in a classroom.
krysis50
the news would then be "cops let parents enter school to die while they sat outside with popcorn"
mippijRunner
What does engaged even mean did they just try to talk to him?! Wtf
NM156
They played roshambo to see if he could pass and cops always pick rock.
xj4low
"Hey, you arent allowed in there with that gun." - cop, probably
Astridnaut
In 2015 Gov Greg Abbot signed the campus carry law that allows concealed weapons in schools. So sadly, yeah he was allowed in with that gun.
Fairemont
Only if it was concealed!
Astridnaut
So the cops who had him prior to the shooting let him go once he concealed it? Meanwhile Black kids are killed bc they had a bag of skittles
Chimichanga007
FailureTowne
Useless cowards
modemjockey5772
"Officers haven't made clear how Ramos managed to get past the Officers.." I'll explain: It's really easy, his skin wasn't dark enough.
TrepXP
I expect he pointed his AR at them, they took cover and waited until he walked away.
SirBillington
Oh, he wasn't engaged by 1 cop, it was 3
Shineupordown
and it looks like they fled / didn't pursue him...
violetknows
Jesus fucking Christ, that’s pathetic. ACAB (and cowards)
azzabat
The police also prevented parents from entering the school (tasering at least 1) for over 40 minutes while he was killing their children.
meauho
Not with bullets per PD... So that means with words. They talked to the heavily armed guy who crashed into the school
Darklinkinfinite
Did they add “or else”?
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req4adream99
You forgot that he was also wearing (unplated) body armor.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
(Tactical vest)
Lastluke
If that’s true, yeah you don’t talk to school shooters, you send them to hell.
meauho
It's worse; start at "“When the cops came..." https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529708434995683329 (direct article link is too long)
PalaverQuader
bullets per police department ? what?
ItsHardToBeatboxOnADigeridoo
That's a US measurement unit
Unlikelykey
Anything but metric
meauho
But considering the quantity of bullets per PD it's only for measuring large distances.
UnpinionedPoplars
Not with bullets, according to PD... So that means with words. They talked to the heavily armed guy who crashed into the school
NZSheeps
"Per" also means "according to"
PalaverQuader
ah right "per decree" etc etc.
GlenL
It's Texas, the Republicans legalized brining guns into schools.
LovelyMover
BBC radio this morning. Interview with a father who's daughter was murdered. I'm infront of my girls primary school trying not to cry 1/2
CalvinMcFly
I've shed a few tears already. It's horrific :(
LovelyMover
2/2 then they interviewed a senator who blustered and lied and refused to see guns as any problem at all. America is lost unless this stops.
clearlyselfloving
congrats on figuring out cops aren't good at the thing they're supposed to do
LooseyGooseyBrett
There's a lot of unknowns with anyone with a weapon. That's why there's so many police shootings. It's not that simple.
Nizedk
But who were they to harass? Was he black? Was he easy to suppress? Oh he was able to defend himself? Did they have to do their job? /1
Nizedk
2/ that's a 'nah, dog' from them. It's not their job to protect and serve, only to be an authorized bully gang, remember. Meal team 6;"No"
Ninjainslippers
Cops were invented to bust unions/socialists and to capture or kill escaped slaves. I'd say they're doing their job.
Dunothar
More like congrats on figuring out that the US is fully fucked up. Really hope that normality takes over again. Highly doubt but hey...
GoofyGoobers
I know the officer who died in the Boulder shooting. Guy had huge guns he was first on the seen and went in pretty much alone
GoofyGoobers
All cops are bastards expect the 2 that aren’t. And they get killed
CrisprCAS
They're pretty good at getting money from poor people. Oh, you mean protecting people. Yeah, they suck at that.
PoliticalWanderer
And the Courts say police have no duty to protect the public. Either we should create that duty or what’s the point of having them?
SnargleBlaster
Police were invented to handle a much smaller scope of tasks, they aren't trained mentally and physically to deal with a military firefight1
SnargleBlaster
The fact they have to deal with those situations in the first place is a problem we cause with our policies and politics. They will always 2
SnargleBlaster
Be outgunned and at a surprise disadvantage to anyone who is planning something like this, meaning they will lose no matter how its handled
SnargleBlaster
Should they have done more? Most definitely. We can't put all the responsibility on their shoulders though.
oldpasswordnotvalid
Rationale view, thank you. Where to go from here? Do we point blame fingers?Do we learn? Do we even know why?Don’t kids deserve better?
RetiredLaserMan
When seconds count, the police are minutes away...
clearlyselfloving
sorry, that was rude. just frustrating stuff
Chimichanga007
I share your frustration
DaierMune
You're not wrong, tho.
FuzzyWolfy329
You’re right to be frustrated. Nothing you said was inaccurate. This is abhorrent and screamed incompetence, at best.
CargoManshark
It's not rude if it's accurate
clearlyselfloving
I mean, that's not true. Things can be both rude and accurate.
PoopSammich
Not good AND not legally responsible to protect any of us according to SCOTUS
Dukenukemx
They're good at parking on the side of a highway to give you tickets for driving too fast. You monster!
oldguyexlurker
The cops in my town are quite poor at even the basic things they are supposed to do. I can't imagine their response to something serious. 1
oldguyexlurker
And I know some of them. I've watched them spectacularly botch burglary investigations, traffic accident investigations, not respond to 2/
oldguyexlurker
an active grand theft report, not do the paperwork on found stolen vehicle, miscode violations by UCC, not respond to a bank robbery tip, 3/
oldguyexlurker
one took me aside and quietly advised me to put a weapon next to a burglar if I had to shoot one because we'd been burgled so often... 4/
oldguyexlurker
We just got a new police chief. I'm actually hopeful for the first time in 40 years here. Oh, the grand theft...? I was standing next 5/
Astridnaut
Cops don’t prevent crime or protect people. They’re always 20 minutes late, just in time to get on camera & take statements.
RetiredLaserMan
when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
BerniePie
https://www.police1.com/2016-in-review/articles/bravery-behind-the-badge-6-times-cops-saved-lives-in-2016-fadqdQaagXvre5Ef/
Astridnaut
Sauce: https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/press-releases/fbi-releases-2016-crime-statistics Also, 2016? Not too recent, is it?
Astridnaut
The arrest rate for violent crime was 159.7 per 100,000 in 2016. That’s 0.15% Would you keep your job had a success rate of less than 1%?
BerniePie
You forget that police arent supposed to take bullets and instantly stop crime, they are supposed to investigate and bring justice.
Astridnaut
Is there an assumption in active shooter training the shooter will have a water gun? The job is dangerous. Sac up or get a different job.
Astridnaut
If the point is for them to hide & pick up the pieces later instead of facing armed criminals why does my taxes fund riot gear?
Astridnaut
It doesn’t change that NO ONE keeps a job with a < 1% success rate on the core competencies. Would you hire/keep any worker w <1% success?
bourbonandbaddecisions
Why do you want to defund police? Gestures to shit like this.
BerniePie
So the solution to stop crime, is to give the crime stoppers less equipment? This comment represents stupidity
bourbonandbaddecisions
Cops were right there and failed to stop it. So yes. We need to reroute their funding to programs that will actually help reduce crime.
BerniePie
Oh like social workers? There have been times where some people were sent to a mentally unstable guy's house and shot in the face.
bourbonandbaddecisions
Yes. I’d rather invest tax payer $ in social programs that have an chance to improve the lives of people.
BerniePie
Lol sure dude, remove guns from the cops and give them to the "Free responsible Americans!". Invest in programs to fix gunlaws and voila ;)
BerniePie
also: https://www.police1.com/2016-in-review/articles/bravery-behind-the-badge-6-times-cops-saved-lives-in-2016-fadqdQaagXvre5Ef/
Welliguessillgogetpants
Dude what are you? A boot licker for cops?
eddiekilgore
Butbutbut "OFfIceR SAfEtY!!" i'M a hERo JUSt fOR dOiNG THis THanKlEsS JoB!! i DeSErvE tO G0 HoME To mY fAmIlY."
Whitebeardthepirate
yeah, the whole spongebob lettering meme kinda loses it's humor given thinking about 19 kids dead.
eddiekilgore
I really don't think I give a shit what you think about it, ass.
Whitebeardthepirate
and the same to your family as well, sunshine
eddiekilgore
They don't give a shit about you either, dick.
FuzzyWolfy329
It’s not meant to be funny, it highlights how pants-on-head the police seemed/seem to be.
Whitebeardthepirate
then why not say it normally, without the meme? If you showed this to the parents of the kids, would they take it seriously?
FuzzyWolfy329
To highlight the absurdity of the statement. Sarcasm can be depicted in more ways than just /s
Whitebeardthepirate
pretty sure any literate primate could read the story and realize the sarcasm without the meme.
PajamaStripes
It's not supposed to be funny in this context.
Whitebeardthepirate
and yet it was used anyway. Picture showing that to the parents of the kids dead.
Whitebeardthepirate
and I really don't give a fuck if people downvoted me. It's an overused meme.
TheBeyonder3191
They’d probably be asking why the fuck the cops did nothing to save their kids and not give a damn about there lettering.
Whitebeardthepirate
allright, we'll put that theory to the test. I'll screenshot the post, and send it to one of the groups. We'll see how it works out.
eddiekilgore
"WHaT WOuLd ThE PAreNtS ThINk, YoU MOnStEr?" Imagine trying to use the parents of murdered children to make your internet points arguments.
Whitebeardthepirate
imagine saying you don't give a shit what I think, and yet posting constantly. welcome back, biggest fan.