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HybridRifter
If this event does not show that rich people are rich, not because they are smart, but because the game the system in various ways, then nothing will. Anyone with half a brain would know it's not a good idea to go 4000 feet deep in the ocean with a vehicle that is controlled by a Play Station controller.
Drimilidrimdrim
AmyBernadettePenny
One ping only.
0xBADA55
Frogapus
They really ARE going to try to spin this as "the sub sank because of wokeness."
moonshadowkati
This wasn't him being woke, this was him being deliberately dumb and cheap.
dingo8yrbaby
And now his greedy dumb ass is dead and in Hell.
Xecryo
A mistake is forgetting to carry a 1. He was given warnings and went out of the way to ignore them because money.
TheMershedPerderder
'Safety is Waste'. Someone make a poster.
keystotheairlock
well. he's dead now, no?
kittyanya
James Cameron even warned him apparently and the worker warnings go back to 2018. Anyone who complained was let go.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Dude, stop being so uninspirational!
Lassannn
NineByNine
no no, COMPOST the rich. That way they're actually useful and we don't run the risk of contracting fucked up diseases like CJD
taez555
L00kH4rd3r2718
Sometimes us old white guys are good for something I guess eh?
faethorferenc
Why does this somewhat makes me think about Jacobs and his plane...
ClawsOfTheWolf
Animorphs
Wow wow wow wow... ... ... ... ... ...wow.
NonstopRampage
RomeoEightJuliet
Old people are old for a reason
Dunes8
Dude took the "They can't sue me for negligent homicide if I'm dead" approach.
rijstewafels
But he made a million so he's probably happy
GrumpyOldMillennial
He's currently feeling nothing. Fortunately the rich asshole responsible for this cluster fuck is now a meat smoothie scattered across the wreck of titanic.
NoelleFrost
They kept ruining the vibe with their emphasis on safety and reliability.
OnyxTurret
Code for experienced people cost more. Interns are free.
pocketcthulhu
SavageMyStarAnise
That, is truly inspired 😂
futuremonkey
I've seen this all over the place, and I don't get it. Help a dummy out?
Talith
It's a porn joke.
Lifesforliving
Companies don't hire young people because they're "inspirational" they do it because it's cheaper than experienced workers.
bripi
Not just companies. Schools/school systems do this same thing.
DarkwingDuc
This! Dude just wanted people he could pay less. The "inspirational" bit was a smoke show to cover his true motivation.
NineByNine
and because the 50 year old white men who are the bosses of the company can bully and abuse the younger workers without fear of repercussions
Nuttsy
Can you just imagine a 55-year old bubble-head with a lifetime's worth of Navy pension the second after that guy tells him to told to skip certification of a questionable new hull design and material? I'd be hard as a brand new titanium pressure vessel.
Frodyne
They had an engineer who refused to skimp on the safety - so they fired him continued not giving a fuck.
Nuttsy
Yeah, David Lochridge. I've managed to find a photo, but no real background, except that he seems to have been an experienced submersible pilot before, and that he's greying at the sides. And they didn't just fire him, they also sued, because of fucking course. What Rush actually deserved was the spirit hand of Hyman G. Rickover possessing his chief engineer, and beating him past the point of survival with a crowbar.
NineByNine
apparently it was "settled out of court" back in 2018, which makes me suspect hush money was paid.
DreamingOfDistantShores
This instantly became a huge talking point across right-wing media as an example of 'being woke' killing people. Well, no, being a cheap ass who skirted safety regulations to make a buck killed people. Kinda sounds like unregulated capitalist behavior to me.
pennyeater
Meanwhile, in Woke Culture: its a shame there werent more billionaires on board
Mewmus
alexstamat
Just replace “no” with “every”.
TI99Kitty
This. Hammond only cheaped out on Dennis Nedry. Rush cheaped out on pretty much EVERYTHING.
SomeDetroitGuy
The weird "50 year old white guys aren't inspirational" is weird when we live in a world with Chris Hadfield and Bill Nye and Bob Ross - guys who were all VERY inspirational to a lot of people when they were in their 50s.
zoltarpanaflex
50-year-old white guys have bigger paychecks (not knocking the dollars, just the cheapness)
dingo8yrbaby
"Not inspirational" is code for "too expensive". A 22 year old inexperienced guy will cost a whole lot less than a 50 year old who knows what he's doing. And the guy who knows what he's doing will make suggestions to improve safety that will cost even more money. The inexperienced guy won't make costly suggestions.
MerriMod
"Aren't inspirational" translates to "costs more because of their proven expertise, aren't easy to push around, and won't tell me what I want to hear". Hardly a coincidence that those latter traits are EXACTLY what one should want in a crew and staff.
tster1973
Pride goeth before the fall
Nuttsy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yyAgk9der4
GrumpyOldMillennial
Pride goeth before the implosion.
Cooper1977
He hired yes-men instead of people who knew what they were talking about.
NineByNine
on the upside, the founder himself died on that submarine too! So he's finally done something good for the world :)
MerriMod
At first I thought "well, at least he's putting his money where his mouth is by going in there himself", which felt like it was worth some credit. But the more I've learned of this guy, the more it's apparent he was just willfully oblivious to his own failings and was so blinded by ego that he lost nearly all attachment with reality. Dude echo-chambered himself to death.
IAmASentientWaffle
They had at least one guy, David Lochridge, who knew shit was not fit for purpose. When he spoke up they fired and sued him. Yep.
FacelessAce
Yeah, but enough about Chernobyl.
SlutAtNight
I’m also gonna go with cheaper labour
NaughtButOne
Correct. The problem with 50 year old experts is that they charge "50 year old expert" prices.
mebe21
I worked for a small business that did this exact thing once. A bunch of us who did know what we were doing noped out over safety issues. They started hiring fresh grads at 2/3 pay instead of experienced scientists after their whole manufacturing staff left in 6 months. Wild how common this mentality is among "entrepreneurs" with money.
nostradumasss
Yes, I believe you are correct!
Cooper1977
PervertedTango
Sounds a lot like Putin and other dictators.
astronomypictures
Yes you're right Cooper1977
doctorId
They inspired him to think he was smarter than everyone else all the time
mrthewhitee
They weren't even yes men. They didn't know enough to say no to anything.
Vengeraxe
Worked pretty well for Trump right? /s
MyGreatestFearBoner
What part of AGILE was not communicated correctly?!
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
Yes, yes, yes.
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
That's one of the reasons why most governments fall apart...
Lampmonster
Yup, but I've already read comments blaming this on woke culture lol. Dude wasn't woke, he was cheap and didn't want to be told no, same as most of the anti-woke people themselves.
EndofDaisies
That’s because this “story” was dug up and initially reported in the Murdoch-owned New York Post & that’s exactly what it’s meant to indicate. People Imgur are trying to pretend it’s the young vs old thing, but the original intent of digging up this quote from a video he made 2-3 years ago is to imply that companies that value diversity are going to get us all killed. More on that here: https://www.wonkette.com/new-york-post-lost-titanic-submersible-too-woke-to-float
Recidivous
I fucking hate Murdoch and his media empire.
Xenarion
Yeah, saw that coming the moment I saw "white guy".
literallymike
What is it with these buffoon-billionaires, insisting they know how to hire, "the best people?"
dralc42
Their coke dealers make sure they get the good stuff, and it makes them incredibly confident and self assured.
AllMyPain
Wouldn't they just get the second or third best and the dealer will keep the difference?
Ialwayslookhungover
Because people who know what they were talking about are bad for profit margins.
EndofDaisies
This story in its original form, in the New York Post, is intended to imply that diversity is a deadly threat in addition to being bad for business. This voting passed around by lefties is as bad as when Repubs suckered supposedly liberal guys into recycling lies about Hillary Clinton in 3016 that the right had been peddling for 20 years or more.
EndofDaisies
Don’t know where autocorrect got “voting”. Should have been “story”.
EndofDaisies
And obviously 3016 is a bit…prescient.
DoctorCaptainProfessorAmazing
All the profit in the world doesn't mean shit when you're dead.
Ialwayslookhungover
People have known that millenia. But if it didn't stop the Pharoahs from needing pyramids, it aint gonna stop billionaires from needing submarines.
Elkarlo77
The CEO of OceanGate had enough Money to life his dream to his lifes end.
SnakesInBowties
These weren't mistakes.
Junktrunkjunkie
I would still say they were mistakes, but they weren’t accidents. They were mistakes, chosen on purpose.
Frenchgeek
A pretty successful underwater suicide-booth design, true.
Nuttsy
Whole new meaning to the term "Tourist trap," eh!?
genericanamoly
Bender would be proud
ObviousPidgeon
Bart would feel…. Pride? No: less shame.
Ryukee
As a black woman I am stumped. What does race have to do with this?
ILDL
Nothing. He didn't want to hire experts who would say "this isn't safe". He used woke culture as a smoke screen to hire yes men.
Ifekinlovesauerkraut
Uhm... apparently it's "inspirational" or something.
Imaintainnothing
because cons emphasise the dead CEO's statements about hiring young and diverse people to construct diversity (ie "woke" mentality) as a cause of the disaster. "If only he had hired experienced white men it wouldn't have occurred ..." is the subtext. This allows ignoring him hiring them because they were young/ inexperienced (so cheaper, easily led/ non-questioning of directions - not 2018 whistleblower types) by using "wokeness" to conceal his real capitalist entrepreneurial motivation.
natabus
THIS.gif
Nuttsy
Bonus round: I've seen claims he was a regular GOP donor. So...one of theirs, in a way.
sevenfingerman
Sub Brief is good. I watch his stuff pretty frequently. Then again, I am a former submariner and now work in the shipbuilding industry, so his videos are all about stuff that I try to pay attention too anyways
aPokal
Whatever happend with putting sails or kites on super freighters?
GrumpyOldMillennial
I miss his sonar analysis videos but I understand why he no longer does them lol
Nebbo
They were so good. I looked the other day and they look to have been removed, any idea why?
GrumpyOldMillennial
He was a career Sonar man on a nuke boat. Though he technically didn't discuss Means and Methods, he was tiptoing on the edge of discussing classified systems and he had people in his comments that absolutely were discussing things not supposed to be discussed. He got The Phone Call and they asked him not to make any further sonar analysis videos.....he agreed it was the best choice for everyone involved....
Nebbo
Ah, I figured it would be something along those lines. Thanks.
sirava
I have worked with companies that hired a lot of fresh out of school engineers and got some truly innovative ideas from them because they would try new things. But, here's the important part, you have to test those ideas using all of the experience gained through previous failures.
FraudulentPepsi
He wanted young people to pilot the sub, not engineer it, but you're right
Megamastermetamememaker
Engineer here. The most important is to learn how it was always done before, and then -maybe- do it differently.
sirava
I actually disagree. If you have the resources for it you'll get the most innovation by letting the new folks question assumptions and try things. Most of the time they won't work. Every once in a while the crazy idea works and changes things. Of course log the experiments and make sure you don't try the same crazy thing twice. And also, this was the rule broken in this case, don't test with people.
Elkarlo77
The Trick is to have for every ten fresh out of school engineers one 50 year old Engineer which job is to audit the ideas and do the testing with the fresh ones. So the fresh ones gain fast experience and the failure rate is low. And that guy, which does the Idea audit and testing at oceangate... got fired in 2018.
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
I’ve heard engineers hate architects because they come up with innovative ideas that do not work structurally
sirava
It's not so much that they come up with the ideas, it's the ones who won't listen and insist on doing it anyway.
Jathine
The guys who really hate architects are the guys who have to put those "innovative ideas" together. The number of times plans say to put a bolt in a place you cannot turn a wrench or socket is rather staggering. You have drag out the engineer and show him why it isn't possible, then wait for him to figure out how to alter the design so it won't fall apart at the end.
eclyptix
He said he knew he broke rules, people died. Thats negligent homicide for any other person or situation. But its a corporation so they get away with it. Such bullshit man...
kibu
Considering he was on the sub when she imploded... I think he was punished enough.
Remmon1
Reckless, not negligent. They chose to take certain actions despite the risk associated with them and people died.
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
negligent from everything I have read as the CEO was specifically warned about issues with the hull then fired the person who warned them, lack of proper tests, lack of back up anything, etc. for this kind of a business that is negligent
ShibesKeanu
His shell company - Dead Douchebag LLC - will absorb the litigation.
Bigbadtacomuncher
It's been a week buddy, nothing happens that fast.
montyman185
Also, international waters and whatnot
FacelessAce
It's funny how corporations get to be people only when it benefits them.
drunkcat
The only reason they're people in the first place was so they could get sued and punished. Then they started lobbying for rights and next thing you know citizens united was ruled and the rest is history.
loedout
Pretty sure I saw a video the other day of him bragging about how innovative he is. How they told him using carbon fiber was bad, but he did it anyway.
DickeyBirdie
But, they all signed a waiver!
saeheria
The company has the waiver to cover any civil issues, but really they’re dead now. Who is going to pay to go down with them knowing that their own CEO died on a tour in his own death trap?
DaMummy
Maybe we can start a GoFundMe if the guillotine thing isn't working out.
StanielRonathan
Courts are very reluctant to uphold and enforce waivers of this nature for the very simple reason of they don't businesses to be able to waiver away all their responsibilities, especially when they could be causing fatalities. These sorts of waivers are typically thrown out entirely, or at least the death clauses are severed from the rest of the waiver's terms.
rshini
the company will, especially in light of the negligent and even outright depraved indifference in the construction of the Titan. let's take a Bungee jump outfit for example, if they did all their due diligence but someone got hurt due to a freak accident or not following instructions, a lawsuit wouldn't go, but if it's discovered that they knew their cord was fraying and didn't replace it and someone got hurt - they can get sued.
Sonicschilidogs
Idk if you know this, but waivers are basically toilet paper with writing and signatures on it
TopBananna999
You think a billionaire’s estate cannot sue the company?
Beezlebubble
That company is going to be sued into the ground. I honestly don't care - they're all rich idiots
InfocalypseRising
I mean, the guy in charge is now shrimp food so I’m not sure he got away with it exactly
DryHuskOfAMan
More like plankton food
iamthisguy247
“And I would have gotten away with it to, if it wasn’t for you pesky laws of physics!”
rlesueur
One of the guys in charge
mrthewhitee
He wasn't the only founding member or board member of the company. There are others who can be held accountable.
lunatic02
But the company remains, hold the company responsible. After all corporations are people.
ID1746
Canada has launched an investigation into the accident as they operated under Canada's flag.
eclyptix
Fair enough
Perkunas687
I think the air inside the tube would have been heated to such extreme temps upon implosion, likely not even enough left for shrimp food.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Probably the tiny filter-feeders like krill and sponges and that can eat it.
Nuttsy
Well, there's still the co-founder! An Argentinian with a German surname.
Sonicschilidogs
How curious, wonder how that got there?
Sonicschilidogs
May Giant Isopods feast upon his flesh
M2500
best thing he's done all year, probably.
Elbowdeepinabeepbeepsheep
The crustaceans and isopods shall eat this day.
PutItInNeutral
Isopods are crustaceans.
Elbowdeepinabeepbeepsheep
Well guess I’m the new head of the redundancies department.
rubypilgrim
the corporation may not get away with it. Not an attorney, but they (and certainly the ceo) clearly misrepresented the safety of the sub. Willing to bet the families have, or soon will have a phalanx of attorneys at least looking into liability. The ceo's personal assets may be liable given his comments.
Sonicschilidogs
Attorneys out there watching the news like Piranhas
SirSnickleFritz
Even with signed waivers from the people on the sub, there's definitely still a case to be had (not a lawyer But have seen several articles about the topic)