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Fame doesn’t stop Racism. Takes place over a couple days but culminates with one evening where four black successful famous men talk about their struggles and privilege or weight that came with it. The first scene with Jim Brown shows psychotic casual racism of the time.
The Tulsa Massacre. Honestly even as a fictional series, that first episode should be shown in classrooms. The whole series bends and twists with shades of racism and the desires of white America and US aggression.
The Central Park Five. This show is heartbreaking. It’s the racist justice system. It’s the racist news. It’s racist child abuse by politicians, police, prosecutors, reporters, and judges.
How the Stapleton Sisters became revolutionary in the civil right movement. How music empowers and evolves into something so much more.
Black Americans, women, and men working as studio musicians paid hourly wages to not just play music for hits but write them. They fixed songs, added signature sounds and basically made decent songs into memorable hits but received no writing credit.
James Baldwin in interviews and narrated by Samuel Jackson where he talks about civil rights, the hypocrisy and intellectual way white America calmly discussed on our TVs whether other humans should be equal. Enraging moments.
Sundown laws, black travel guides (for safety), redlining white neighborhoods and the casual terrorism of everyday white Americans when someone Black moves in. There is a lot of science fiction but based in a truthful narrative about the times.
The old white establishment vs anti war demonstrators who ‘rioted’ and Fred Hampton (mentioned separately because he wasn’t even there during the riot but was tried with them at first. This judge, his attitude, his entitlement...will make you boil.
Story of the inside man the Feds had on the Panthers and the story of Fred Hamptons rise - uniting black, brown, and white men and women in to fight a racist, classist, violent police state. He was building a movement that could have changed America. Good insight on Panther actions in community building, education, breakfast programs and more.
13th talks about the amendment that ended slavery but created a whole new version of slavery with the school to prison pipeline of mass incarceration. The 13th amendment failed so badly, that the 14th amendment had to be passed just to make Black Americans human in the eyes of the Law...and even then...
This one is about the 14 amendment. It was pretty clear that all persons in the United States (whether born or just visiting) were supposed to be entitled to equal protection under the law. But decades of bad and good Supreme Court cases then had to try and prove who qualified as a person. Of the many standouts on gender, civil rights, LGBTQ, immigration and more, the Chinese Exclusion act and the end of Reconstruction were both dark stains on our history.
The things about these shows are what you see when you look beyond the drama. The music industry took the talents and songs of Black Americans and bought them for a few hundred dollars or less and then had white jazz bands play them and took all the profits. This was one more way a racist music industry to stoke and profited off Black artists.
bnors92
The Stapleton Sisters?
JoeIdar
You don't read much do you?
RussianBlueJay
Sorry to Bother You (2018), really a wired movie but it shows all these cultural shifts and fashion and status and money. Interesting movie
PleaseMindTheGap
When they see us and 13th was hard to watch but definitely worth it.
LayawayRay
I agree with Morgan freeman when he said stop talking about the black men's struggle and just put them in movies like everyone else.
Pauly79
Is it safe to say these are focused on Black History as opposed to general American History? The movies appear to cover a specific topic.
fknbastard
Yes and no. I get the feeling it’s about establishment power but the truth of racism in America is still pretty whitewashed in reality
Jaron58
Da 5 bloods
TheRemediator
Agree!
unnecessarycommapolice
Lots of great stuff here but really is there anything Regina King can't do?
NDNBear
This is cool and all but there should be more films about First Nation people. Hardly anything about the people America slaughtered.
fknbastard
I don’t disagree
NDNBear
Glad you dont disagree. Apparently 8 people seem to though.
candiedhotdogs
Don’t throw your lot into movies 100% of the time. There are always “liberties” taken to make for a better movie.
fknbastard
I completely agree that there are fictional elements in a number of these but there are historical truths as well (sundown laws, Tulsa, etc)
SkeletonsLoveBooty
Tulsa blew my fucking mind. I spent a week looking into it.
fknbastard
Exactly. It’s entertainment that drives actual research
vitaminalgas
One night in Miami is a great film, great acting and directing
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
Investigation Discovery has this show Injustice Files, where I first learned about sundown laws/sundown towns. Maybe the biggest >>
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
>> surprise for this good Midwestern kid was to learn, while we like to think of these hideous things belonging to the South, how many of >>
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
>> these practices, how much KKK membership, how many lynchings happened in places like Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania. Ugly, ugly truths.
AlfonsetheChinchilla
Well, I learned this all in school... so... maybe it depends on quality of education...
dillanb
That is great, but it would seem that unfortunately you are part of a minority. Definitely has to do with the overall quality of US edu.
AlfonsetheChinchilla
Yeah. Can't really argue with you on that point.
TheThingsTheyCarried
Same. All of these things were covered in my grade school education.
Devils41
If you liked I am not your negro. The same director is releasing a new documentary film today in HBO Exterminate all the Brutes
Guerrerense
Throw in Hidden Figures. African American women were instrumental in the space race and eventually getting to the moon. Amazing movie
fknbastard
That movie was brilliant and had too many moments of “why is the system so fucking deliberately racist and misogynistic?”
FairyKingOberon
United States vs. Billie Holiday on Hulu. Censorship of black artists using their forum to bring attention to atrocities
TheThingsTheyCarried
It's a good movie but it made things up to be more dramatic.
spookyactionatadistance
Just no. Hidden Figures is filled with revisionist tropes. Specifically the white savior.
duhqueenmoki
It's not perfect but I think it still is good. Sometimes they have to add those in just to get the greenlight to make the movie.
nole4life240
I finally watched this the other day, such a great movie
thatscool22
That movie pissed me off because the scene where she’s writing formulas on a chalk board, she starts with the regular gravity equation. >
TheSecondPiewackit
Yeah, that'll happen. Watching one SF guy tell another SF guy how explosive works, etc..
thatscool22
These guys are putting rockets into space, they don’t need someone to explain that equation to them. It took me right out of the movie!
RunsNakedThroughSwamps
That's the worst! The actual equations usually look more impressive too.
albinoALPACA
Dang relax
ChocolateWilly
I worked on a few of these. Never thought it would come out so good.
BlyroneBlashinton
The Watchmen TV series is just a huge pile of shit, they massacred Ozymandias.
sleepinggreenidea
That aspect was very hamfisted, but the whole show was also clever copaganda crafted to appeal to unreflective liberals and progressives.
jizanthipussss
RTK4740
The Watchman was absolutely fantastic. Only a pile of shit if you want fidelity to comic books.
SkeletonsLoveBooty
It was entertaining if not representative of the comic. It's the first alternate telling of that world. Most comics have dozens.
BlyroneBlashinton
At0m5k
You should add Adam Curtis' documentaries to your list.
fknbastard
And the Thelonius Monk, Etta James, Billy Holliday...a lot of good documentaries
LarvaLamp
Beastmaster (both 1 and 2) are pretty good as well.
georgecostanzalatexsalesman
Also deathstalker
SoreScratchboard
Green Book is great too. And very funny.
therealpopkiller
“Great”
dillanb
Only saw part of it & enjoyed it, but I’ve heard criticisms of it as having shades of white savior theme & misinterpreting Mr. Shirley’s exp
jesuschristofnazareth
It was the driver's son who wrote the movie. Not surprising he would write his dad as the best person he could.
Goryofa
But more than shades.
SoreScratchboard
Thank you, I was not aware of this.
spookyactionatadistance
Is this meant to be satirical. Green Book was widely recognized as another movie about white saviors a la The Help.
SoreScratchboard
No, I was not aware of the critique.
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
Brown dude here so dont crucify me, but i would like more clarification. Was it a change to an original story or was that how it was made?/
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
/and if that was how it was intended to be why is a story where someone who isnt a minority trying to help minorities a problem?
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
IIRC, the family of the Black character came out and said there were some outright lies.
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
Oh i thought it was fiction, didnt realize it was based on something real. That makes sense now.
rezpup
The US is just white and black,forget Indigenous peoples right ?
thefuzziestofbutts
The scene in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, ep.2, was eye opening too. You know that shit happens all the time.
Sayagain
Upvoted because I agree, definitely not a fan of the show so far :(
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Which, the bit at the house, or "is he bothering you?"
stillnotawake
Both. The house scene made me incredibly sad. The outside scene? Furious. Brought back some bad memories.
thefuzziestofbutts
All of it really. But the encounter with the police right outside specifically.
therealpopkiller
a HS friend, now a cop in the worst sheriff’s dept in FL, said this sc. was unfair to cops & we should “stop normalizing hate” against them
thefuzziestofbutts
Wow and yikes.
FractalChainsaw
Ready to bust Sam down, then they get the flag about Bucky and they *very apologetically* place him under arrest.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
For all the fluffiness of the MCU - it's extremely pop culture - I've been impressed with the shows being willing to tackle substance.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Very pleasantly surprised so far. I was completely ready for it to be just an action extravaganza.
stillnotawake
Yup. A very apologetic "I'm sorry fellow white man, there's a warrant for you. I'm very sorry."
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
It's not history, but it certainly feels like our course trajectory, Sorry to Bother You is a great movie as well.
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
Also cannot recommend Extra History too: https://youtu.be/nc7lXBL9mng this is tulsa, https://youtu.be/m63NDZVZRXc black medical exploitation
SkeletonsLoveBooty
Extra history is amazing and they always do a "here's what we got wrong" video if they find something is false.
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
Cannot recommend enough*
CptPanduh
Lovecraft County made me feel physically ill when that chicks skin sloughs off multiple times.
kittylumps
This song was so epically used during one of those scenes, can’t stop listening https://youtu.be/DsEkqemhylE
slaughterhouse4andahalf
So much happens in that show, it took me a minute to remember what you're talking about. I sometimes think of the Uncle Tom's Cabin twins<
slaughterhouse4andahalf
potentiallyunsafe
Those two were the scariest part of the show imo haha
CptPanduh
Prepare for absolutely insane amounts of gore if you watch that show.
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
Woo hugely appreciated. Body horror is the shit that keeps me up at night... Sorry to Bother You had that shit come from outta nowhere
CptPanduh
Body horror/gore doesn’t usually bother me but this show took it a new level that I could hardly stand to watch. It wasn’t a bad show, tho
potentiallyunsafe
Sorry to Bother You was a wild ride
redstaterefugee
Is Wrecking Crew streaming anywhere? That looks really interesting
Taresz
There is an awesome documentary on YouTube about them
Taresz
In fact it may be one and the same
parttimeadult
It's free too
fknbastard
I saw it on Prime I think but they rotate what’s Prime content pretty frequently.
IGIVEUPCHOOSEMYNAMEFORME
You gave me a flashback to college with that one. There was a really small showing in town and my friend and I went to see it. It was great!
sunnymangoes
Idk that film but 20 feet from stardom is a contemporary parallel about backing singers that looks at the history too eg. Rolling Stones
unencumberedbythethoughtprocess
Check out Standing in the Shadows of Motown.
fknbastard
Thanks!
PM79
The book is excellent.
paintnwood
It’s on crackle
fokjoudoos
If you like music, check out Muscle Shoals too: https://youtu.be/hKmGUIM1uAI
MeekMariEnthusiast
It's on youtube for free https://youtu.be/-ZgBexrZvM0
Grumposstuff
Not available in Canada.
lildumptruck
I get your point @OP but I can tell you aren’t a history major
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
Christ
SmellingMistake
Most people aren't.
fknbastard
I’m not pedantic enough to be one
Aymondray
Adding that in shows you don’t get the point. The point being that there is a lot of bias in the classrooms and a lot of history books. Js.
lildumptruck
You know where there is an equal amount of bias? This may shock you... but it’s movies made in Hollywood.
lildumptruck
You gotta step in the classroom first is the point you are missing
Aymondray
That is true.
fknbastard
No. I’m not. But there are huge parts of our racist past (recent past really) that are just skipped completely in non history classrooms 1/2
fknbastard
2/2 point being that these shows highlight moments or laws that DID occur but in dramatic films. Not saying they’re all documentaries.
amk1031
Just don’t forget to some research on your own as well. Movies sometimes take liberties.
dabooty
This
SmellingMistake
Apparently so do history text books.
fknbastard
Fucking ouch
maijen0062000
Unfortunately some these movies aren't far off the mark, possibly in performance but the concept is real
ZARNAK
I'm looking at you Sorkin
GazongaGizmo
tbf, the madness of the judge was actually toned down b/c sorking thought he would be unbelievable on screen. &the mistreatment of that (1)
GazongaGizmo
(2) black defendant was not connected to the murder of his friend (happened before IIRC), but his mistreatment was actually worse IRL
thisisprocrastination
"sometimes".
ScottySpaffordBassWiz
None of them took liberties when it came to depicting real history though, besides the fantastical elements around them (Sci fi, etc).
fknbastard
Fred Hampton Jr. was interviewed and of course they’re going to take liberties to create dramatic moments between like his mom and Fred.
FlaccidHamster
Most non-doc historical films take liberties for dramatization to make the film hook in the audience more and connect.
ScottySpaffordBassWiz
America has always heen a dumpster fire when it comes to equality.
fknbastard
Amend is just one bad move after another. Laws, Supreme Court decisions. Like how many times we gotta be on the wrong side of history?
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Truth. Events may have been different but the end results were the same.
FartPoweredPogoStick
BINGO.
Smokinsalmon
Yes. I would add the wrecking crew isn't "working class". Those people made a sick amount of money but of course the record companies made
fknbastard
Ok. I hear you. But mad amounts of hourly wage with no points is way less than deserved
Smokinsalmon
Made more
Smokinsalmon
But its important to see people of color and women in cinema no matter the truth behind the story (generally)
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
Admittedly, that's why I usually avoid based on true events movies. IE: Erin Brocovich (sp?), What's not shown is her law firm kept like 60%
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
The law firms almost always take the lions share regardless of amount or the fight.
ClumsyLeftistWhoDropsThings
I know. But the movie takeaway is that Erin is fighting for the poor, disenfranchised, and the needy... But in reality no...not really.
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
Ah I see
fknbastard
That’s what gets me. Watch a sci-fi...see something crazy racist, find out it’s true.
DeeDoubleYu
Fuck I love sci-fi. You hyped for dune?
fknbastard
I loved the old movie. I’m definitely gonna watch the new take. Wish there was a way to create the Jodorowski’s version
DeeDoubleYu
I kinda do and don't. I think most people (inc myself) just like the designs. Be cool if they used some for the new one.
fknbastard
He had specific actors in mind that are gone now too.
SmellingMistake
Not if I'm going to find out sand worms are real!
Zipbang
I say do some research because sometimes you may THINK they are taking liberties when reality can be worse than fiction.
amk1031
Is that the definition of irony?
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
No, Alanis.
SmellingMistake
Reminds me of the movie Foxcatcher. As crazy as the guy was in the movie he was way worse in reality.
fknbastard
How many people are going to miss historical moments in ANY context because they don’t know where to look. Here’s Netflix and HBO 1/2
fknbastard
2/2 dropping littl truth bombs mixed in with entertainment. Sure it’s dramatized but it gets an audience to at be aware of events, laws, etc
onyxrubies
Every time someone claims how much Trump has helped the African American community I think of the Central Park 5. Trump bought an entire (1)
fknbastard
Any time Trump claims to have helped anyone but himself I just try to imagine that naked statue of him and vomit taste in my mouth
onyxrubies
onyxrubies
(2) page of a paper to condemn those boys in the court of public opinion. He was ranting that the children should be lynched in the street
venomlash
That son of a sow still thinks they're guilty because his spray-tan-addled brain can't imagine why anyone would give a false confession.
sleepinggreenidea
#2 Realtalk: this show is lean-in copaganda. We're supposed to cheer for a literal colonial police officer who profiles, kidnaps, tortures 1
fknbastard
I thought it was the idea that the police is so anonymous and violent that it was a pawns move to shatter civil rights using heroes
sleepinggreenidea
I found how absolutely little attention was paid to Vietnam - where again, protagonist was a cop - to be telling. It was very imperialist
sleepinggreenidea
and the only Vietnamese character of any import was the ultimate villain whose mom was a cleaning woman but she was a billionaire. It felt
sleepinggreenidea
like some blinkered, uncritical model minority racist bullshit cut with eugenic meritocracy, layered over myopic imperialist navelgazing.
fknbastard
I thought we definitely saw American imperialism in the use of a super as a weapon and rebel reaction but it definitely wasn’t a main focus.
sleepinggreenidea
and kills suspects based on their gut instincts (which ofc are invariable right), and at the end when this lawless cop became a living god 2
sleepinggreenidea
we're supposed to cheer b/c they're a black woman while ignoring how authoritarian they are. Wretched copaganda. Nice worldbuilding tho. 3/3
Doomgriever
Counterpoint: It's the other way around. They are not morally superior, and it's up to each viewer to 1/2
sleepinggreenidea
Except no, not in the TV show. The direction, shooting, & scoring made very clear who was to be sympathized with & who was to be despised 1/
sleepinggreenidea
by the audience. The movie & comics were ambiguous; the show was not. E.g., Ozy went from morally ambiguous to pompous sociopathic idiot 2/
Doomgriever
decide wether we see them as corrupt or "heroes". I personally see the problems with the police force and watchmen. That's pretty much 2/3
Doomgriever
the point of the series (and movie / comics).
RavennaMagnus
If you liked these, watch BlackKklansman
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fartfactory87
Same in Milan, the silence at the end was heavy, I still remember it. Agghiacciante as we would say here and I don't know how to translate
philorpheed
Also Da 5 Bloods, Queen and Slim, and Do the Right Thing
JonnyBLions
Kill all the brutes was just added today on HBOmax and it looks like a hard look at our past actions.
Rockafella83
What about "Evil Dead" ?
TheRemediator
Spike's latest, Da 5 Bloods, also fits this bill. Some hard to swallow history
Usernamegererator
As a non American- ending was shocking
FatherTheta
Probably wanna skip “Sorry To Bother You...” unless you like horse dongs @ElbowDeepInAHorse
ElbowDeepInAHorse
vitaminalgas
Meh...
Wolfslapper
Kevin Willmott for the win. Loved Da Five Bloods too.
ItsAlwaysDaDamnedGuvment
Not usually into Spike Lee (think he's a bit heavy handed) but this one was excellent
TheSecondPiewackit
Arra ya sure?
pictory
He just gets heavy handed right at the end there but it doesn't matter, it doesn't take away from this film at all. Great flick
Youhavinagiraffe
I think being heavy handed when it comes to white supremacy is a perfectly valid choice
euphoricopportunity
Haven't seen any of his since Bamboozled.
Liechsowagan
Having read the book, I was gravely disappointed by the movie. Lee inserted conflicts in the story that didn’t happen. (1/?)
Liechsowagan
The resulting story was violent, when it should have been much lighter (more like The Help). (2/?)
Liechsowagan
The treatment of some of his coworkers in the storyline was character assassination. It was wrong when James Cameron did it in Titanic (3/?)
Liechsowagan
And it’s just as wrong here. (5/5)
Liechsowagan
Whoops, lost count...
jralphcorgimodel
Everyone raved about this but I just thought it dragged. What kept you interested?
RavennaMagnus
It was a good blend of humour, suspense, and just general interest in the different ways they were screwing with the klan
Skye537
For me it was the knowledge that it was based on reality, something that actually happened (Of course not exactly as shown but still)
TheSecondPiewackit
Topher Grace as David Duke. Was totally not expecting that.
Youhavinagiraffe
I can't really relate to the idea that it drags anywhere. It was tense and compelling throughout for me
fknbastard
Good catch. I know I missed some others too.
HeadJamistan
I know this one isn't about America, but The Last King of Scotland was an eye opener for me. Also Beasts of No Nation.
Commentsaboutyourusername
That's ok. It's still a pretty good start you bastard
fknbastard
That’s fuckin’ bastard, but thanks ?
SpaceSphere
+1 made me go back and check OP's username
Commentsaboutyourusername
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