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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2176051/
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DeadGremlin
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2176051/
CandidGamera
Please also compile the papers that made wrong predictions about the situation. Grandstanding from 20/20 hindsight is easy.
Manbehindthemadness
Eating a bat is just eating a winged mouse, you would thinking would never occur to us...
Main2Main
Just kill all the bats easy gg
faustiel
Well you know what they call bats? Chicken of the cave
Elmhafudd
We all know it's China's Fault.
leafspring
Guess it‘s the climate or something but China (SEA in general) is just full of this infectious stuff. Most prominent example: Black Death.
nitehaBeast
Helpful....is there ANYTHING that isn't made in China? Including this horrid virus and the death that comes with it?
ScottishPower
Why do Chinese people eat exotic animals though? Like wtf
OaksParcel
Because they think it'll help solve hair or penis problems.
DarthLabradoodle
Also to China: Please stop raising pigs with poultry.
in70x
Who looks at a bat and decides they wanna take a bite? Ozzy Osborne mayne... was he patient 0
in70x
Maybe**
NPaine
https://i.imgur.com/gBVGct6
CaptainObviouslikesthemthicc
Yeah, only medical professionals and med students read those journals...maybe journalists but they don't exist anymore.
dreadnought1600
But calling it the Wuhan virus is racist?
Dhatudhatu
It was referred to as Wuhan virus even by Chinese media very early on before it got a proper name. Now the virus is called SARS-CoV-2, and 1
Fargus57
I didn't think it was considered racist. The reason I read was that 'The Powers That Be' felt the name unfairly stigmatized that area.
Derpercaust
I prefer Kung Flu Sicken or Winnie the Flu
Dhatudhatu
WHO's link above shows how to name new diseases, without causing stigma towards countries, people, animals, groups, etc. 3
swellerelk
In and of itself not really, but it leads to ignorant dumbfuckery by people against that ethnic group.
Dhatudhatu
the disease is called COVID-19. https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/163636/WHO_HSE_FOS_15.1_eng.pdf?sequence=1 2
Virophile
The funny thing... lots more time bombs out there. Scientists have almost given up on warning people.
ThePolecat01
Quit eating fucking bats.
Pishposhbingbong
Here’s the deal. They stop eating bats, we’ll keep an eye on Ozzy. I mean, I don’t think he’s still got it in him, but you never know.
bChrispy
I'm sure they ate the ones that weren't fucking too?
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
I thought they ate a pangolin, which had eaten a bat.
KrazyKatWoman
Pangolins eat insects
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
Maybe it was a tiny bat
astrangehop
They are a pagolin that ate an insect that ate a bat
txronin55
Quit eating fucking pangolins which eat fucking bats.
billycakers
But eating pangolins that eat bats cures ED
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
Yes. That is why people wrote articles like this (next post) when Trump cut CDC funding, cutting specifically observation practices in China
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
https://globalhealth.duke.edu/media/news/op-ed-odds-devastating-pandemic-just-went
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
Nothing of what is happening now is unexpected or surprising, it always was about 'when' rather than 'if'. That makes this harder to accept.
anotherdeadaquarian
Everything's a god damn threat right now!!
Basis64
Except it was a threat in 2007?
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
TheFurion101
Everyone's all accepting and tolerant of cultures and shit right up until the point diseases start spreading and a little fear kicks in :/
notsteve
It's not them eating stuff that bothers me. It's the fact that pangolins are one of the most trafficked animals. It puts them at risk.
libaf
Except this is not new in our (humans) history and not the last time either. Need to deal with it without this mass hysteria.
Varenvel
yesterday in my recommendations ,
TlsGrz
Wasn’t the whole batsoup-thing just a theory that got blown out of proportion? As far as I know we don’t know how exactly it startet.
Caramster
Yes we all knew it, China knew it. They even banned it. But lobbying is the cancer of society, also in China.
thereisnoscotty
Any idea why the wayback machine would've been indexing 403s until March 1, 2020, @OP? I'm not familiar with the source site.
DeadGremlin
Probably because that's when it became relevant? The way back machine can't store every instance of every website.
DeadGremlin
If you look on the website it has 50 other papers that cite this paper so it'd have to a pretty elaborate hoax.
thereisnoscotty
I didn't mean to suggest it was a hoax. Just seemed odd for something that I'd expect to be public immediately-ish.
Bloodsense
It's also a problem in Africa, but unlike China, African governments have taken action to stop people from eating bush meat.
VodkaReindeer
African governments can actually govern?
rockhydra
The interesting part is the article is from 2007.
VodkaReindeer
They highlighted that part.
Barkinsons
A review from 2019 predicted the same thing https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/11/3/210
teknochode
China's had so much time & so many global viruses to get their houses in order. If they can build a hospital in 10 days, they can solve this
Zyrgon
Scientists: Do not ignore this warning, GP and politicians: La lalala lala bye
barbarian818
and Republicans cut the funding because it's clearly a liberal hoax to get more money for that devil known as science
The701
KeepYourTangoAndYourFoxtrot
I know everyone keeps saying this was bats, but I thought COVID-19 was from pangolins. Does someone have some proper good sauce either way?
TurdBurglar3000
DeadGremlin
I'm guessing that comes under the "exotic mammals" in the paper above so maybe combination of both?
raadoo
https://youtu.be/tFvEDk7W1Rg Actual doctor giving the low down. Bats > Pangolins > Humans, basically.
Bloodsense
I've heard bat's via pangolin, or vice versa as they've found it in both.
Barkinsons
From the virus sequence, bats are most likely "96% identical at the whole-genome level to a bat coronavirus." Nature vol 579, p270–273(2020)
herperderp
Bats are 96% identical to a virus? That sounds unlikely...
Barkinsons
Its badly worded, character limit
machine3999
You should look up dr Michael Osterholm. He is a biosecurity and infectious disease expert.
guy73378
1: angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) proteins of different bat species confer variable susceptibility to SARS-CoV published 2010
guy73378
2: SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronavirus pose threat for human emergence published 2015
guy73378
3: The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade pub. 2020
guy73378
Dont just read the titles. Human SARS-CoV and civet SARS-CoV were unable to use horseshoe bat ACE2 as a receptor and are unlikely to be a
guy73378
Source of CoV in humans. Pay attention to the testing methods and then read number 3.
mastodonj
Most likely bat-pangolin-human. It's how SARS happened and that's a coronavirus. These viruses are common in bats. It's unlikely someone ate
mastodonj
2 ate a bat and got it that way. https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-origins-genome-analysis-suggests-two-viruses-may-have-combined-1340
Chainhealer
Eating a pengolin sounds just as unlikely to my western ears.
Ulthirm
People dont eat them directly, people poach them for their keratin shells and consume that as a powder or stewed.
Ulthirm
So imagine it more like a chicken stock, you dont eat the chicken itself directly (Well you may but not in the stock)
Topnotchcrotch
So I guess...,listen to science? :/
Charcharm
LucianKane
CSlice06
That is not the way of the man in charge. He listens to personal financial gains, not science.
ChimiAndChilll
SugarSmack
theobstruction
PFFFT! Don't be absurd!
cheeseguy3412
Thanks to how the US's economy works, at least - its been a race to lowest cost -> highest performance in returns. A "risk", if too 1/2
cheeseguy3412
expensive, and not likely (by their account) its ignored, or "accepted." Which leaves EVERYone fucked. And so, here we are. 2/2
MrOne2
Amen!
classifiedashuman
For fucking once
MrLurkerMcGurker
Every disaster movie that had the old dumb incompetent politician ignore the scientific evidence and then pay for it later came true
lostlittletimeonthis
Trump is already losing it and preparing for the elections
Bairoko
CandidGamera
What about the papers that made wrong predictions about the current situation?
Topnotchcrotch
What about the elephants!? What about us!?
HelloIAmAnInnocentBystander
Yup, that's survivor bias. For one correct warning, there are a dozen wrong ones. Still worth it to stay prepared for pandemics in general.
nobblestein
Care to elaborate on your vague point?
MrOne2
Yes.
CandidGamera
Rather straightforward but for the reading-impaired: Should we listen to the wrong predictions too or do we just grandstand from hindsight?
Topnotchcrotch
That paper was not a prediction. If we read these as predictions we might as well just go back to caves...
nobblestein
I was hoping for an example or a source, so I could educate myself. but ok.
spookywhispering
Yeah we track novel viruses like this all the time in animals.
ItsReallyNotThatDifficult
Only a matter of time til one makes the jump.
AGlobOfEcto
Theres also stuff in 'normal' animals like pigs and birds..so telling ppl to stop eating weird shit doesnt work
RunanD
Idk, I think the fact that "normal" animals are under such scrutiny due to their numbers and the fact that they are used for veterinary 1/2
RunanD
and human clinical trials and testing matters. I think the risk is lesser to the point that "don't eat exotic" is still useful advice. 2/2
AGlobOfEcto
Please see my above reply in this same thread. I think it applies to this comment too. I am not arguing one side or the other, just that
AGlobOfEcto
All animals can be breeding grounds for dangerous disease and viruses
KnifeKnut
That does not make any logical sense.
AGlobOfEcto
Have you seen all the semi racist social calls to stop eating 'exotic' protein like bats?
AGlobOfEcto
I mean..do you remember avian flu and the mass slaughter and sterilization of all the farms?
KnifeKnut
Now you are redirecting after your false equivalency.
AGlobOfEcto
If you cant follow what I'm saying that's on you. Hit the back arrow, go look at alllll the people talking about what I am.
bs3080foshizzle
Like which ones? I love looking this shit up
rantomi
There's a documentary series from 2020 in Netflix called Pandemic that follows some of the people tracking the viruses.
PaleJr
Not a virus, but there’s a fungus that literally takes over ants. A human-infecting fungus of that type is the premise of Last of Us.
bs3080foshizzle
Did not know that. Now I'm regretting having bought RE2
jhsuber
https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/index.html
JerzeeTomato
Prions are terrifying. Like ice-9 in your brain.
DeadGremlin
Check out the recent Joe Rogan experience with Michael Osterholm he goes into one with Deers and Chronic Wasting Disease.
DeadGremlin
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
bs3080foshizzle
Okay, that's terrifying
DeadGremlin
Yeah there's some scary ones out there I hope don't make the jump to humans.
pugofstardock
I heard apes have something called hiv.....
makeSX
Yes... Apes in africa have sexually transmitted diseases... That some how was transmitted to humans... Yes... Dem money cheeks..
Hezaethox
Like the zombie deer one?
DeadGremlin
Yeah
rush4ever
Jamie, pull that up!
DeadGremlin
You ever try DMT?
JohnSnot
The what now?
jhsuber
Disease in deer and other similar mammals, news spread about them around this time last year
jhsuber
https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/index.html
Youhavinagiraffe
The fucking WHAT!
makeSX
konijntjesbroek
That different from the wasting diseases you can get from deer, elk and similar?
konijntjesbroek
That is variants of Chronic Wasting Disease, though rare, has made the leap to human on occasion.
lilshebeastie
Tell. Me. EVERYTHING.
Notenoughfish
Cwd. There is a Joe rogan pod cast on it that will make you freak out for a little bit.
jhsuber
https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/index.html
jhsuber
symptoms can include drastic weight loss (wasting), stumbling, listlessness and other neurologic symptoms
sgtwhiskeyjack
Basically mad cow. It's prions
prostheticbrain
Prions are scary.
fredsneed
Cookin' don't kill dem bastards.
Netskimmer
Dear China, please stop eating weird shit.
Niljapoli
They don't eat bats in China, it was tourists to Palau, where it's a local specialty.
Hibbtygibitty
Imgur always curses the Chinese Government, usually rightfully. I gotta believe they will lay waste to anyone selling
Hibbtygibitty
“Exotics” as pets or for consumption. “Lay waste” in this case: public executions, etc. They won’t hold back.
Cammo353
They still think powdered ivory gets them hard, dude
SoraHjort
But, how will they make their tra la la do the stiff, without eating weird things?
TheShogunMustGoOn
Yeah, because China is dangerously underpopulated. Gotta get those tra la las going.
AeonQuasars
This. At the very minimum, at least have some restrictions of animal health and hygiene. If mostly rich Chinese eat it, then add some rules!
MyTrueIdiotSelf990
Dear China, please stop.
aRepost
quartershadow
If it's Chinese is exotic animals, a foreign delicacy. If it it's in Africa it's bushmeat. But in the US it's wild game and natural?
Ozarck
high population + small ratio of arable land = creative dining for the masses. Gotta eat to live, gotta bat to eat, else we'd all get along~
usingseinfeldreferencestoavoidactualconversation
Wrong!
Phelpysan
The problem isn't eating weird shit, it's eating weird shit that's full of disease.
RagingWatersEatsMyFriedAss
And the keep those diseased animals in lives cages, around tons of other animals and people, it’s a viral paradise
teacupsquid
...or critically endangered
gandraw
bat-kabobs, bat creole, bat gumbo, pineapple bat, coconut bat, pepper bat, bat soup, bat stew, bat salad, bat and potatoes, bat burger
jim95can4
Bat country!
swellerelk
thepiesthepies
SlightlyAnnoyedDwarf
People the world over eat weird shit. They eat crickets like potato chips in Colorado.
moldybiscuit
Wait.....what? Born & raised in Colorado - never ate a goddamn cricket
SlightlyAnnoyedDwarf
While I believe you, I distinctly remember seeing boxes of flavored crickets you could buy at convenience stores.
NineByNine
Like, I mean the west is one to talk. Scotland with its eating of sheeps offal in a sausage casing, england with Black Pudding, Finland
dockerexe
You leave black/white pudding out of this
dcwldct
Oh it’s not just a sausage casing Lad, it’s a literal entire sheep’s stomach. Though these days it’s usually just canned
hechicera84
Those are animals humans raised ... wild animals that carry disease is different
NineByNine
(I think) with its Surströmming, lutefisk as well for Nordic countries... Everywhere eats weird fuckin' shit.
HappyLittleIdiot
Surströmming is swedish. Though I get your point.
NineByNine
Thanks I couldn't remember and I wanted to finish the posts instead of getting stuck wikicrawling to find out.
NineByNine
and before anybody goes "yeah but bats carry viruses!" nobody remembers when BSE was a thing?? Really? Y'gonna forget that?
NineByNine
Oh and also H1N1 came from PIGS. so what was that about "weird shit"?
ProjectKurtz
It's more the lack of meaningful regulations on the weird shit than the weird shit.
Chuk750
It's not so much the weird shit, but the wet markets that stack the live animals in cages that make it likely to occur again.
tittytittybangbangs
Nobody said this about pigs when there was swine flu. Or chickens during avian flu.
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GigiDundas
Are you stupid? Because what you just said makes you absolutely stupid. Pigs are the cleanest livestock there is. Cows are the filthy ones
Hana77
They might want to be, but the problem is factory farming
GigiDundas
Factory farms are shit and need to be gone but you're still wrong. The diseases associated with pork stem from an omnivorous diet. Not from
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
Buddy what? The more space a pig has, the cleaner they are, the only reason they get dirty is mud cools em down, like elephants
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GigiDundas
Look up? Oh so we have another idiot who thinks reading some shit on the internet makes him smarter than the rest of us. Fucking moron
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
Any meat undercooked is dangerous, and if you pen any animal in unsanitary conditions it'll spread disease. Pigs are probably the (1)
troublecliff
Honestly, it’s mostly rich elites who think eating exotic animals gives them virility. That being said, Covid came from a “wet market” 1/?
troublecliff
In Wuhan that had basically zero health guidelines. The PPC government seems to like to regulate/monitor EVERYTHING it’s people do, 2/3
troublecliff
except markets like the one in Wuhan.
Nuttsy
From what I've gathered, that's basically a concession to their inability to regulate everything; Last time they tried, folks starved.
BishlamekGurpgork
Virility from bats? It wasn't just a really hungry guy, and bat is what he was able to kill that day?
BishlamekGurpgork
I mean, who associates bats with virility?
troublecliff
Superstitious people.
FeathersPryx
Bruce Wayne
IOnceOwnedMoonMoonButOnceHeTriedToLickMyBallsAndRanAwayIMissHim
Chinese. Pay attention now.
BishlamekGurpgork
I read the fucking comment, I wanted context, not snark. Pay attention to context, now.
DeadGremlin
My wife is ethnically Chinese and made me try sea cucumber during CNY. It's like eating a rubber dick.
Imissmycats
So you're saying you enjoyed it or..?
GAREWA
Been there too - they’re a delicacy apparently and I was being treated by having to eat them. Consequently distraught.
HandoB4Javert
Are those the yellow ones that float in the bath?
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
I thought it was the skeleton of sea cucumber, but apparently not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luffa
refsawanka
You have yellow rubber dicks floating in your bath?
DeadGremlin
I don't think so. They are mostly brown with a murky yellow tinge almost like a shit.
HandoB4Javert
But do they quack when you squeeze them?
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Its a witch, then!
DeadGremlin
Oh haha. I just realised what you were doing lol. I've just woke up so it didn't click you were talking about a rubber duck.
DeadGremlin
They are pretty awful looking. https://flofoodventure.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/2015-01-06-13-39-12_deco.jpg
EstoyDeModa
But why?
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Those are definitely poops
Everyfootisalegend
???? ???????
DrSchmolls
I was expecting fresh ones (dont know why) which might actually be edible
DeadGremlin
I had fresh ones in a soup like sharing pot. The moistness didn't make them much more appetising.
abundantbadgers
Ok so just for ref, the video of the girl eating a bat was from a few years ago, and in the south pacific, not in China.
abundantbadgers
Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/27/coronavirus-covid19-dont-blame-bat-soup-for-the-virus/
DeadGremlin
The same practices are still prevalent in China though so the point still stands that China still eats weird shit with poor sanitation
abundantbadgers
Need source on Chinese eating bats pls. Esp. Since bats are able to spread disease directly to humans.
abundantbadgers
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/20/807742861/new-research-bats-harbor-hundreds-of-coronaviruses-and-spillovers-arent-rare
rayvn
Also, you know...the scholarly, peer-reviewed paper in the post you're literally commenting on right now.
DeadGremlin
I'm talking about their eating habits in general even if it wasn't bats there's plenty other things the consumer with poor sanitation.
abundantbadgers
So not like how western countries eat force fed duck livers or chickens who never see daylight? Or Japan eating whale? Inuit eating seal?
DeadGremlin
Aren't they responsible for an H1N1 outbreak a few years back too?