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Back story time! I’ve been at a law firm as an associate for about two and a half years. Was approached by a solo practitioner to take over his practice as he retires. It was a tough decision (and a huge move for me), but working in a very toxic environment pushed me to take it. My bosses tried to get me to stay by promising me all these things - I’ll be partner one day and I could run my own office and blah blah blah. Turns out I don’t want to continue to answer to these assholes and continue to practice under their policies that I disagree with while they reap all the benefits. Being my own boss sounds great. So I turned them down, gave them a month’s notice and in response was told: “I can’t imagine having a family and trying to do what you’re doing. You’ll have to end up being a stay at home mom.” “I have put years into you and the only reason you’re confident enough to make this move is because of me.” “Why are millennials so untrustworthy? You try and try but they just turn their backs on you.” “What have you even been doing for the past 2 years? Your job was basically non-existent.” I was sad for a couple of days, but after some wine and then some more wine, I’m more confident in my decision than ever. It all just proved why I needed to get out anyways. On to the next adventure!
LyingInBedCantSleep
Good luck to you,. And them, they can fuck off.
EpsilonDeltaDefinition
My first boss told me I’d never be any good as an engineer. 2 years later I’m lead designer at my new company.
Hotord
Law firms in general seem to be really toxic environments
SusansAlluringFatSacs
Good luck and don't look back!
fluffy4000
They would have fired you without a hesitation.
NullSecc
Why would you be loyal to toxicity?
sweetfeetpete
Millennials switch jobs less frequently than boomers did at the same age
JustContrary
T. Boone Pickens and other corporate raiders destroyed the maternal employer/employee relationships that had existed for lifetimes.
CaptainHowdyonmeds
Loyalty ... would they get rid of you with a months notice if you weren't making them a profit?
TheCrustyMustard
Good lord that seems like the kind of talk a manipulative abusive significant other would say...
fingersb
Blind loyalty to a company that will never care about you... Don't get more Boomer then that
jini3
Very proud of your decision!!! I broke solo 7 years ago and haven't looked back. You got this! If you need any help or need to someone to
jini3
bounce questions off of, dont hesitate to reach out :)
bellabug
Thank you!! I may take you up on that. I’ll be figuring it out as I go but definitely ready to make it work!
josephisalsoat
So, they didn’t have a problem with your performance until you decided not to work there? Sounds like a solid move for you.
SixPieceChickenMcNobody
They hate you if you leave, they abuse you if you stay. I’ve been freelance since 2015. Being my own boss is the best thing I’ve done.
Tairu8
The days of companies being loyal to employees are long gone. There is absolutely NO guarantee they would have done any of what they claim
Tairu8
they would have done if you’d only “hung in there” or whatever. You had an opportunity right in front of you, a REAL tangible opportunity
Tairu8
Always take that over verbal promises from a boss, especially a toxic one. You did the right thing, and I’m sure you’ll kill it, congrats!
davidrzr
Yup. All the great benefits that the baby boomers grew up with are gone, the same benefits that brought loyalty.
manystripes
Yep. You want loyalty? Offering pensions will buy that
phonoodle415
Train your employees so theyre rdy to leave. Treat them good so they wont. Something like that. They shoulda listened
didanyonetakethisusername
OK boomer
Sealboh
Translation" You were a useful pawn that i took for granted and now i'm mad cus you're leaving and it's my fault" If he really wanted 1/2
Sealboh
you to as partner he'd negotiate, not attack you and try to manipulate you with guilt. Fuck that loser, you made the right move.Go kick ass!
WirenutsInYourButts
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/b2/ff/19b2ff8a2b3fa66393b255599ff7b2bf.png
Semiflaccid
I work for money. If you want loyalty, get a dog. Pretty sure that's a meme somewhere.
bunnyrut
If you weren't a great employee they wouldn't be saying any of that. If they were good bosses you wouldn't leave. Their loss. Good luck!
CWrightPills
I jumped ship from big law firm life a decade ago. Best thing I ever did. Don’t take their BS seriously.
rando84
What did you go into?
CWrightPills
Little bit of this a little bit of that. Eventually found a career I find far more rewarding, albeit for quite a pay cut
rando84
Glad to hear it. I’m in it right now & considering my options. Trying to not get too comfortable in the golden handcuffs.
vierik
Their response is all you needed to know about them. Good luck OP
selkieselk
Lawyers are scumbags. Shocker. In other news, water is wet. . .
JustContrary
Thank you
LuckyMan9
Loyalty is for friends and family. Fuck everything else.
krispan
I’ll tell you is NOT loyal... these hoes
DrKriegersClone
A good leader or team of coworkers might earn personal loyalty, but institutional loyalty to the business is inadvisable.
trekkiedane
Nope, loyalty is for the people that earn it; friends and, granted, sometimes some members of your family do earn your loyalty!
Robvp
Sometimes family doesn’t deserve loyalty
trekkiedane
Isn't that what I wrote here just two hours ago?
Robvp
Whoops, replied to the wrong comment ?
trekkiedane
Ah! That woild explain my confusion!
Shaukhan12
Damn millenials with wanting to make a life for themselves and feel like they arent being used by a company! Ruining everything
TheCrustyMustard
I know right? Always whining about "I want to be paid a living wage" this and "I don't wanna work unpaid overtime" that.
Shaukhan12
"My kid is being born I need off".... "i want paid vacations"...."I want medical benefits"
TheVakarian
Damn millennials ruining *shuffles cards*...this law firm!
Iresemblethatremark
Killing this law firm! Just like they killed applebees and the diamond industry!
EyeSpyABreathtakingPerson
Shit, after 8 seconds of reading this story I'm confident in your decision. If I understand correctly, you're supposed to say "ok, boomer."
LarvaLamp
Good for you. Left my last job that was deadly toxic. The boss asked what the new place offered. I told him higher pay and vacation. He >
LarvaLamp
< said "I can give you those things." I was so over it, I just looked at him and said "then why the fuck didn't you?"
mentendo64
Because if they gave them to you to start out, they couldn't use them as bargaining chips later.
LarvaLamp
True, but the whole time I worked there we never got raises or anything because he said it wasn't in the budget. Then when I put in my >
LarvaLamp
Davoneous
That’s the stock boomer response when you stop letting them milk you for all you’re worth. Fuck them, good luck!
ohnoofcourseyourright
But a company will let you go without notice if they need to save some money.
HomegrownOkie
It's ageist to label a whole generation by the actions of individual assholes. Some of the kindest supervisors I've had were boomers.
W4fflem4n
Bro this is imgur. All boomers are rich white men who voted for Trump.
HomegrownOkie
I'm sorry I enticed you in to this downvotopia. It seems the generation that wants acceptance for every nitnoid detail are not accepting.
W4fflem4n
Couldn't be that they are shitty lawyers...no it has to do with the generation they grew up in
CptJTuttle
People who judge people based on their generation are dumb
captain5
As a millennial, I don’t let boomers milk me, I milk them! I leave to get a better job nearly every year. Quadrupled my income in 4 years
PicassoCT
Good as a millenial we start low, so even if we quadruple, we top out at best near boomer-time wages.
HyenDry
Bruh,, I literally have had 15+ jobs because every new job has been a lateral move I thought it was just me being a typical millennial
captain5
Yes, 400% increase! 35k -> 140k
VidiVeniThenSheLeft
That's a 300% increase.
boomtoughactintinactin
The only time in my 30 years I've made over 18k was literally in a combat zone. Fuck Futter
pegmis
Jeez. Doing what?
captain5
Went from biotech to IT in my first 6 months of working
SDev0
My guess is IT
pegmis
You were correct sir or madam
catsrn
How do you do that?
DreadPierateRoberts
I have gone ftom 62 to 102 in 6 months
Yakkystudy
I just went from 40 to 65. It felt great. Was terrified to stay at the same job, but jumped ship and I haven't looked back.
captain5
Congrats young buck, keep going, dont stop for anything.
JAPONfan
Not long ago I read a story about guy who earned 150k in overtime and wanted promotion. they denied and told manager "to fire millennial"
KikiLebeauf
And they wonder why there is no stock left in loyalty
electronicbovine
Sounds like discrimination due to age to me?
preparationh67
Sounds like a couple of labor crimes. Unpaid work. Age discrimination.
CyborgScribe
No no. You cant legally discriminate against young adult workers. Only boomers and older. I'm being serious. That's how our laws work
SociopathicOtter
Because look at the age range of the people making the laws.
jscuster
In the US, there are no protections for those under 40. The ADEA only protects workers over 40 from age discrimination.
electronicbovine
Oh. Well, carry on exploiting the youth, my good sir.
JAPONfan
Not discrimination. Extortion. They think that you will bust your ass for empty promises and boss handshake.
NightAuditBlues
Yeah, my last employer was like that. And they wonder why their turnover rate is so damn bad.
electronicbovine
Well, 150k in overtime sounds nice...unless that's not USD?
JAPONfan
USD. But they wouldn't need to pay him if it was his fault for firing him. Hence his manager was ordered to find reason.
electronicbovine
That sounds extremely questionable, how would they avoid paying him if he already did the work? IANAL tho.
MajorNikon
You give productivity they give you pay. At the end of the day neither owes the other anything. “Loyalty” is meaningless rhetoric.
thedevil
This attitude is the reason why work places suck so much now. Because both sides adopt this mentality. If you find a place that treats you
thedevil
Right, with respect and value, then they are deserving of loyalty. Investment of trust is part of a successful business.
DaPopeIsHere
In a certain context maybe. In my career I have a manager that has given me the opportunity to jump the line by years, paid me well, and 1/2
DaPopeIsHere
Kept me working throughout projects. I'm extremely loyal to him, to the point I wont work for anyone else, because I know he's got my back.
FatassNoodleDog
You have to be loyal, but they could lay you off due to "cuts" in no time. Hows that for loyality?... it works both ways! Good luck @OP!
johnvictor
It's a buzzword to try and get you to not spend PTO and sick time to undermine your own well being so the company can make a few extra cents
JAPONfan
Loyalty is the thing greedy people talk about when they want something for free.
MajorNikon
The tell is when it's always expected and never given.
BeerBatteredandBold
Definitely
trekkiedane
Either that, or 'exposure'.
misterturdcat
But Dutch had a GOD DAM PLAN!
trekkiedane
Are you trying to say that the Dutch have good dam planning? -because I think that would make more sense... (if, maybe, not in this context)
misterturdcat
Dutch Van der linde. Red dead 2
ZombieJonSnow
Loyalty needs to be mutual in order for it to be meaningful.
wakeforthesun
I agree w OP, but to play devil’s advocate, 1st + 2nd year associates at law firms take a ton of training to be any use, so I can (1/2)
wakeforthesun
understand why firms dislike ppl leaving after benefitting from training. BUT that’s no excuse for the firm to be shitty to employees. (2/2)
wakeforthesun
(also in the end, doing what’s best for you in the job market should always take precedence, so good on ya, OP!)
KingOfMiketoria
They would also fire you in a heartbeat if it was of benefit to them.
malachilenomade
No, loyalty is important, but used as they did, it's just a coverword for 'control.'
MackdomblesDarbleChaiseBarga
Yeah, it has to go both ways.
Muttons1337
Yeah, there's lots of cynical people on here. Loyalty can be a healthy thing, in Al walks of life.
MajorNikon
Ask yourself how loyal you would be if your employer stopped paying you or how loyal they would be if you couldn't be productive.
Muttons1337
I said it can be, not that it is outright healthy. I thought it was obvious that blind loyalty can be dangerous too.
MajorNikon
In a workplace setting it's just meaningless rhetoric. It's the sort of thing an employer expects without earning it.
SecretImigurianLurkerAgent
Loyalty is something you owe someone if given something extraordinary like a friend who helped you through bad times but never pay/work
RedRoverRedRoverSendZombiesOnOver
This. Loyalty is what you give to someone who gave you something and expected nothing.
docslummp
Yes
scribblets
What if a company did this? Like what if you decide you want to start your own business and the company is so invested in its employees >>
scribblets
they actually help you do it!
RedRoverRedRoverSendZombiesOnOver
If they aren't trying to force you into a deal where you service them at a disadvantage to you, then they've earned a measure of loyalty.