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Switch75
Yeah, but lets not put the ban on this country...
SanKa13
The thing that pisses me of is that saudi arabia is calling out qatar for sponsoring terrorism. Fucking REALLY?! Piece of shit country
FavaBeansAndChianti
Sentences differ slightly. Chance at a fair trial still zero with both.
justasomeone
One says "Death to Americans" behind their backs the other to their faces.
saywhooooooooo
This is not Islamic state, this is Wahabism. Islam doesn't teach any of these
Arsikere
the "judges" here are Sharia Law judges... usually an Imam
CadaverBredstic
What are we thinking about exactly? That extremist muslim nations have similar laws?
infamousxiii
This chart makes me realize how refreshing a warm mug of bleach might be compared to a gallon of wet cement.
tkohl
Cruxifixion? Line on the left, one cross each...
Karvanaama
Always look on the bright side of life...
NoisyUnicorn
One has oil one does not
NoThanks2U
Both ISIS and saudi Arabia follow the wahabi sect. Wahabism = terrorism
HeliumBallonsGiveMeGas
It's 666 miles from Jerusalem to Mecca. The Koran gives lip service to "the people of the Book" but they are infidels according to Mohamad
Niddhoger
Much that is associated with Islam is actually not in the Quran, but are just cultural practices from Sadui Arabia. This is why other 1/2
Islamic countries, like Indnonesia (and Afgahnistan, before the liberal king was deposed in the 70s) are not as "crazy" as Saudi Arabia. 2/2
potatoqueen
Wait, what's the difference between Banditry and Stealing?
Skizzlesnap
Yay religion! Setting cultures back for centuries!
Patches3000
Uh ohh, you managed to offend some Imgurians
Shocker.
HerbSewell
And people counter-protested the anti sharia marches... Stay woke.
cowpaca
I say the US puts it's military budget where it's mouth is and liberate the whole middle east
Justiceforbradswife
I wish to bad if we interfere it will only lead to others being mad we interfered
OhLurkOverThere
It has. We've spent a fuckton on the Middle East. And not just on our own military. How much of our budget goes to other countries as well?
Noodlesama
But they give us oil so it's all good
Camelspotting
Yes but mostly it's because they have regional political and religious influence.
username000176
80 lashes for a beer, no wonder those Islamic state guys aren't popular, but seriously do those Saudi guys know how fun beer is?
GooberSnotpants
of course: http://observers.france24.com/en/20160205-saudis-outwit-customs-alcohol-saudi-arabia
Meowsma
Judging by how much the Saudis on my flight from Riyadh to Dubai were pounding, yes. Also by how much vomit was on the stairs to the toilet.
MortalF1aw
That punishment is almost never carried out, unless your family name is worth less than dirt
DragonDildoChandelier
Sharia is Sharia. And it's never a good thing, no matter who tries to implement it.
NotGonnaSugarCoat
One buys billions in weapons from the US, the other is part of the reason for the weapons.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
One? Oh you poor child.
I don't think ISIS has billions sitting around.
Lesbiansass
I have saudi friends. They know Im gay, and that I openly disdain western and ME religion, but are kind and respectful to me.
The acts of the government do not speak to the hearts of all under their governance, especially the young.
I've lived there... don't go around advertising that shit because it will come back to bite you. Plausible deniability is a must.
There is a minority of good people hidden in a country railing for the past. But they are not all bad. Hate people for ideology, not race.
I never said anything about race. Let's be honest, being there is a crime for most foreigners "on the books" as its illegal to not be Muslim
Yeah its a backwards place I just think people forget to differentiate and there are some great people in terrible places.
Bladeroller
I'm currently reading the Qur'an, gonna do it cover to cover. I really need a deeper understanding of what's at the core of the culture.
mynutsaremusical
Its a good endeavour. But you just have to keep in the back of your mind that it was written a looong time ago.
ghostlight
Remember that the Quran is not only the third book in a series, but also generally as important as it are the sunnah, hadith, and tafsir.
JohnMagneTrane
Do get the Chronological edition, since the first verses tend to get abrogated by the later ones. Some verses were only valid for 2 years.
After that I'll do the bible, which I hear you can't fully understand Western Culture without.
ceepurps
Good start, but both texts you'll need to account for followers who cherry pick & interpret the texts to fit existing cultural bias
noyougofuckyourself
Now do Christianity.
totallynottrump
Alot better than the above
ss10t
*a lot
Lot: a portion of land
Sturmgeschutz
Well there's the Westboro Baptist church. You'd have to be literally retarded if you thought christianity was as bad as islam though.
Yeah, I'm sure 2000 years of history backs you up.
Eh still not as bad as islamic conquests and history up until present day
By that reasoning, current Germany must still be as bad as Nazi Germany.
The post details religious law based on ancient text. Christians still have that, Germany does not.
As far as I know, Christian ideals are meant to be based on "do to others as you would have them do to you".
robogeek78
So what is the difference between banditry(theft) and stealing?
IconicNebula
Breaking in probably
ShadyBuddha
Sounds like a couple severed feet is the difference
akahata
A weapon, maybe?
Somerandomoldguy
The difference between crime and organized crime.
fitlex
You wear a handkerchief mask for banditry
MyPancakesTasteLikeCrepe
it's weird how my mind didn't make the connection between the words banditry and bandit before i read your comment
KdotCdot
Stealing- shoplifting or stealing a car. Banditry- robbing or car jacking someone. Same-Same buuuut diffferent, but same same.
icyanddicey
So banditry is stealing directly from someone, while theft is stealing a persons property without their presence?
I think it's the other way around
unclemeat70
Ahhh, the religion of peace.
Crawmak
The religion is pretty peaceful if you don't live in those countries. Ask any American Muslim, never met a single one who supports this crap
And I know many who accept me kindly even though Im gay and disdain non eastern religion.
ravioliravioligivemetheupvoteoli
Honestly dude the only peaceful religion I can think of is possibly budhidsim . Christianity and Judeism isn't much better
Try Jainism and Sikhism and possibly Hinduism
Munchman347
Buddhism isn't a religion, it's an ethical way of life that's not Deity oriented...
659992812
They still kill each other and other religions
But isnt there a religous side to it?
Not really, religion is based on worship of a supreme being, Buddhism is just an ethical way of life based on Buddha's teachings...
Oh thanks for the insight
Oddly there is quite a bit of violence in budhidsim as well
Really ? How so?
LazyLuppy
Yeah there are Buddhist extremists now. Buddhism is not actually violent I think
Right, because I see christians and jews driving trucks into shopping malls and suicide bombing people all the time.
Yes true , but the religion still advocates for violence , Muslims just act on it more.
Phrasing it the way you did implies the religion is the issue but if that was the case Christians would be doing the same.
It's not the religion it's the people
zma123456
One is a terrorist organization, the other is a country that promotes terrorism, and wahabi extremism but is protected by the US.
justahumanbeing
The US is supporting ISIS
No the country is protected by the US, it the oil.
CanijoZac
I thought you were going to say: "one is a terrorist organization, the other is ISIS."
TheChurchOfUpvote
Is it the Islamic State or the Islamic State?
magnumjenkins
And armed, dont forget armed by the U.S
attofreak
Kissinger says that SA is only hope for reformation (kind of) in ME. The al Saud and al Shaykh family tied several warring groups together,
a rare achievement for the area. Of course, then USA and West looks the other way when SA goes on it's barbaric rampage in return, e.g.
the destruction of Yemen by SA, which is also heavily censured and regulated by them as well. So as little news about that as possible...
Realpolitik in action
SA and Iran are the two regional powers (although Turkey is trying to reintroduce itself) and we burned the bridge with Iran a long time ago
No Obama fan, but he did try to mend things...now Trump seems to be screwing them
Notme68
You know why Saudi Arabia is supported by the US? How are your gas prices doing lately?
Epleskrott
Cheep gas vs human life..
Squossifrage
Last I checked, the USA only imported about 10% of its oil and gas from Saudi Arabia.
Mechwarrior719
US gets most of its oil from Canada or domestic production. Its more of a 'better the devil you know' thing with Saudi Arabia
Personally, I think it's more about arms than oil. Middle East is unstable, KSA wants to spend money on fighting. We have weapons to sell.
That's an uneducated, mainstream myth. Please stop.
Do you believe that if OPEC withheld oil even for a moment gas prices wouldn't rise?
...yes. Because they have...and Shale production keeps growing to fill the gap.
The tradition heads all the way back to, and past, the Reagan era. It's more of a really bad habit at that point - but $ is power...
Do you mean gasoline? The refined petroleum product? Or Natural Gas, which we keep finding cheaper, more efficient ways of producing?
Abecx
And more efficient ways of using it too!
I live and work in Saudi although these punishments may be "law" they are virtually never carried through
Dont know why people downvoted this. Sounds like an on the ground source
Saudi isnt perfect by far. But people love to hate it.
harkins
let's hear it for virtually.
It happens if someone of high stature is involved that you had the offense against. I'm not saying its not corrupt because it is
Please explain the "it" that is corrupt. Is it the punishment or its selective enforcement or both or something else?
The corrupt part is that its one rule for Saudis and one for everyone else. I.e. if i get in a car crash and I did nothing wrong and 1/?
The other driver hits me and blatantly at fault its still my fault because "you are western this wouldn't have happened if you werent here"
That's the very answer I was afraid of. Do you not see the moral flaw in the nature of the punishment itself?
Switch75
Yeah, but lets not put the ban on this country...
SanKa13
The thing that pisses me of is that saudi arabia is calling out qatar for sponsoring terrorism. Fucking REALLY?! Piece of shit country
FavaBeansAndChianti
Sentences differ slightly. Chance at a fair trial still zero with both.
justasomeone
One says "Death to Americans" behind their backs the other to their faces.
saywhooooooooo
This is not Islamic state, this is Wahabism. Islam doesn't teach any of these
Arsikere
the "judges" here are Sharia Law judges... usually an Imam
CadaverBredstic
What are we thinking about exactly? That extremist muslim nations have similar laws?
infamousxiii
This chart makes me realize how refreshing a warm mug of bleach might be compared to a gallon of wet cement.
tkohl
Cruxifixion? Line on the left, one cross each...
Karvanaama
Always look on the bright side of life...
NoisyUnicorn
One has oil one does not
NoThanks2U
Both ISIS and saudi Arabia follow the wahabi sect. Wahabism = terrorism
HeliumBallonsGiveMeGas
It's 666 miles from Jerusalem to Mecca. The Koran gives lip service to "the people of the Book" but they are infidels according to Mohamad
Niddhoger
Much that is associated with Islam is actually not in the Quran, but are just cultural practices from Sadui Arabia. This is why other 1/2
Niddhoger
Islamic countries, like Indnonesia (and Afgahnistan, before the liberal king was deposed in the 70s) are not as "crazy" as Saudi Arabia. 2/2
potatoqueen
Wait, what's the difference between Banditry and Stealing?
Skizzlesnap
Yay religion! Setting cultures back for centuries!
Patches3000
Uh ohh, you managed to offend some Imgurians
Skizzlesnap
Shocker.
HerbSewell
And people counter-protested the anti sharia marches... Stay woke.
cowpaca
I say the US puts it's military budget where it's mouth is and liberate the whole middle east
Justiceforbradswife
I wish to bad if we interfere it will only lead to others being mad we interfered
OhLurkOverThere
It has. We've spent a fuckton on the Middle East. And not just on our own military. How much of our budget goes to other countries as well?
Noodlesama
But they give us oil so it's all good
Camelspotting
Yes but mostly it's because they have regional political and religious influence.
username000176
80 lashes for a beer, no wonder those Islamic state guys aren't popular, but seriously do those Saudi guys know how fun beer is?
GooberSnotpants
of course: http://observers.france24.com/en/20160205-saudis-outwit-customs-alcohol-saudi-arabia
Meowsma
Judging by how much the Saudis on my flight from Riyadh to Dubai were pounding, yes. Also by how much vomit was on the stairs to the toilet.
MortalF1aw
That punishment is almost never carried out, unless your family name is worth less than dirt
DragonDildoChandelier
Sharia is Sharia. And it's never a good thing, no matter who tries to implement it.
NotGonnaSugarCoat
One buys billions in weapons from the US, the other is part of the reason for the weapons.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
One? Oh you poor child.
Camelspotting
I don't think ISIS has billions sitting around.
Lesbiansass
I have saudi friends. They know Im gay, and that I openly disdain western and ME religion, but are kind and respectful to me.
Lesbiansass
The acts of the government do not speak to the hearts of all under their governance, especially the young.
justasomeone
I've lived there... don't go around advertising that shit because it will come back to bite you. Plausible deniability is a must.
Lesbiansass
There is a minority of good people hidden in a country railing for the past. But they are not all bad. Hate people for ideology, not race.
justasomeone
I never said anything about race. Let's be honest, being there is a crime for most foreigners "on the books" as its illegal to not be Muslim
Lesbiansass
Yeah its a backwards place I just think people forget to differentiate and there are some great people in terrible places.
Bladeroller
I'm currently reading the Qur'an, gonna do it cover to cover. I really need a deeper understanding of what's at the core of the culture.
mynutsaremusical
Its a good endeavour. But you just have to keep in the back of your mind that it was written a looong time ago.
ghostlight
Remember that the Quran is not only the third book in a series, but also generally as important as it are the sunnah, hadith, and tafsir.
JohnMagneTrane
Do get the Chronological edition, since the first verses tend to get abrogated by the later ones. Some verses were only valid for 2 years.
Bladeroller
After that I'll do the bible, which I hear you can't fully understand Western Culture without.
ceepurps
Good start, but both texts you'll need to account for followers who cherry pick & interpret the texts to fit existing cultural bias
noyougofuckyourself
Now do Christianity.
totallynottrump
Alot better than the above
ss10t
*a lot
totallynottrump
Lot: a portion of land
Sturmgeschutz
Well there's the Westboro Baptist church. You'd have to be literally retarded if you thought christianity was as bad as islam though.
noyougofuckyourself
Yeah, I'm sure 2000 years of history backs you up.
totallynottrump
Eh still not as bad as islamic conquests and history up until present day
Sturmgeschutz
By that reasoning, current Germany must still be as bad as Nazi Germany.
noyougofuckyourself
The post details religious law based on ancient text. Christians still have that, Germany does not.
Sturmgeschutz
As far as I know, Christian ideals are meant to be based on "do to others as you would have them do to you".
robogeek78
So what is the difference between banditry(theft) and stealing?
IconicNebula
Breaking in probably
ShadyBuddha
Sounds like a couple severed feet is the difference
akahata
A weapon, maybe?
Somerandomoldguy
The difference between crime and organized crime.
fitlex
You wear a handkerchief mask for banditry
MyPancakesTasteLikeCrepe
it's weird how my mind didn't make the connection between the words banditry and bandit before i read your comment
KdotCdot
Stealing- shoplifting or stealing a car. Banditry- robbing or car jacking someone. Same-Same buuuut diffferent, but same same.
icyanddicey
So banditry is stealing directly from someone, while theft is stealing a persons property without their presence?
robogeek78
I think it's the other way around
unclemeat70
Ahhh, the religion of peace.
Crawmak
The religion is pretty peaceful if you don't live in those countries. Ask any American Muslim, never met a single one who supports this crap
Lesbiansass
And I know many who accept me kindly even though Im gay and disdain non eastern religion.
ravioliravioligivemetheupvoteoli
Honestly dude the only peaceful religion I can think of is possibly budhidsim . Christianity and Judeism isn't much better
totallynottrump
Try Jainism and Sikhism and possibly Hinduism
Munchman347
Buddhism isn't a religion, it's an ethical way of life that's not Deity oriented...
659992812
They still kill each other and other religions
totallynottrump
But isnt there a religous side to it?
Munchman347
Not really, religion is based on worship of a supreme being, Buddhism is just an ethical way of life based on Buddha's teachings...
totallynottrump
Oh thanks for the insight
mynutsaremusical
Oddly there is quite a bit of violence in budhidsim as well
ravioliravioligivemetheupvoteoli
Really ? How so?
LazyLuppy
Yeah there are Buddhist extremists now. Buddhism is not actually violent I think
Sturmgeschutz
Right, because I see christians and jews driving trucks into shopping malls and suicide bombing people all the time.
ravioliravioligivemetheupvoteoli
Yes true , but the religion still advocates for violence , Muslims just act on it more.
ravioliravioligivemetheupvoteoli
Phrasing it the way you did implies the religion is the issue but if that was the case Christians would be doing the same.
ravioliravioligivemetheupvoteoli
It's not the religion it's the people
zma123456
One is a terrorist organization, the other is a country that promotes terrorism, and wahabi extremism but is protected by the US.
justahumanbeing
The US is supporting ISIS
akahata
No the country is protected by the US, it the oil.
CanijoZac
I thought you were going to say: "one is a terrorist organization, the other is ISIS."
TheChurchOfUpvote
Is it the Islamic State or the Islamic State?
magnumjenkins
And armed, dont forget armed by the U.S
attofreak
Kissinger says that SA is only hope for reformation (kind of) in ME. The al Saud and al Shaykh family tied several warring groups together,
attofreak
a rare achievement for the area. Of course, then USA and West looks the other way when SA goes on it's barbaric rampage in return, e.g.
attofreak
the destruction of Yemen by SA, which is also heavily censured and regulated by them as well. So as little news about that as possible...
attofreak
Realpolitik in action
Camelspotting
SA and Iran are the two regional powers (although Turkey is trying to reintroduce itself) and we burned the bridge with Iran a long time ago
attofreak
No Obama fan, but he did try to mend things...now Trump seems to be screwing them
Notme68
You know why Saudi Arabia is supported by the US? How are your gas prices doing lately?
Epleskrott
Cheep gas vs human life..
Squossifrage
Last I checked, the USA only imported about 10% of its oil and gas from Saudi Arabia.
Mechwarrior719
US gets most of its oil from Canada or domestic production. Its more of a 'better the devil you know' thing with Saudi Arabia
OhLurkOverThere
Personally, I think it's more about arms than oil. Middle East is unstable, KSA wants to spend money on fighting. We have weapons to sell.
OhLurkOverThere
That's an uneducated, mainstream myth. Please stop.
Notme68
Do you believe that if OPEC withheld oil even for a moment gas prices wouldn't rise?
OhLurkOverThere
...yes. Because they have...and Shale production keeps growing to fill the gap.
Notme68
The tradition heads all the way back to, and past, the Reagan era. It's more of a really bad habit at that point - but $ is power...
OhLurkOverThere
Do you mean gasoline? The refined petroleum product? Or Natural Gas, which we keep finding cheaper, more efficient ways of producing?
Abecx
And more efficient ways of using it too!
MortalF1aw
I live and work in Saudi although these punishments may be "law" they are virtually never carried through
mynutsaremusical
Dont know why people downvoted this. Sounds like an on the ground source
MortalF1aw
Saudi isnt perfect by far. But people love to hate it.
harkins
let's hear it for virtually.
MortalF1aw
It happens if someone of high stature is involved that you had the offense against. I'm not saying its not corrupt because it is
harkins
Please explain the "it" that is corrupt. Is it the punishment or its selective enforcement or both or something else?
MortalF1aw
The corrupt part is that its one rule for Saudis and one for everyone else. I.e. if i get in a car crash and I did nothing wrong and 1/?
MortalF1aw
The other driver hits me and blatantly at fault its still my fault because "you are western this wouldn't have happened if you werent here"
harkins
That's the very answer I was afraid of. Do you not see the moral flaw in the nature of the punishment itself?