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HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
TIL Abbot is paralyzed from the waist down and is in a wheel chair. Changes nothing about my opinion of him but I know that now.
FunkyButttlovin
Sorry but Beto doesn’t stand a chance
WetAssOpposum
Worked for a guy who toured with Beto O’Rorke’s band as kids.I like him, but he’s just another Texas Dem.Wishy-washy on important topics,etc
clubracer
Anyone better than those two?
wambu
Ouch!
StrongBadEMale
Is this the "Let's Go Brandon" the libs are all triggered about?
brokenheartboozebullets
"Pretend I'm brown too" O'Rourke has no chance in Texas. Aa much as I despise Abbott, that is the truth. We have to find someone better .
DudeThatsRacist
Beto should challenge him to a standing contest.
geebee2639
Never count on Texans
Audiopatch
Wheelchair joke?
CptRobotNinja
That would be neat
imfromcoloradohehe
I wondered how Abbot ended up in a wheel chair? Where was he running and what crushed him?
BurnsMGur
Oak Tree
texasinja1718
It’s like 43%to 44%, problem is actually getting folks out to vote… conservatives will show up, will the dems?
texasinja1718
Also I don’t think Beto has said he’s running so it’s a moot point
PastaJesus
Polls are biased towards people who are willing to answer polls. Any poll still using calling is likely not representative
flarflarf
voice calls skew to old people which means it should be more conservative than it is, but there's a ton of other variables as you know.
Imalwaysready
Meh. I'd take it with a HUGE grain of salt. Sampling wasn't great. And Beto was also up against Ted Cruz (whom he lost to) AND was an early>
Imalwaysready
frontrunner in the presidential primaries (before spectacularly flaming out). And Abbott hasn't even opened the war chest to run campaign >
Imalwaysready
ads of Beto in the debates saying "Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15!" 24 hours a day, which, in Texas, loses you a LOT of moderates>
Imalwaysready
and independents who may have otherwise supported him. I'm in TX and I have no idea why he keeps getting propped up as the Dem golden boy.
GenFredburger
Texan here, it doesn't matter what the polls say. VOTE. Also we're gerrymandered to hell so it's still going to be a touch race.
PerfectManhattanUp
Gerrymandering doesn't influence statewide elections. Though all the recent voter suppression legislation will make it close, as you say.
dmhearne
No he's not. He will get close, but then the decades of gerrymandering will kick in. Texas is lost. Leave if you can.
PerfectManhattanUp
Gerrymandering doesn't influence statewide elections.
dmhearne
Gerrymandering is also about making sure that some areas are less equally served by voter services and places to send partisan poll watchers
PerfectManhattanUp
That tends to be referred to as voter suppression. One impacts how votes are grouped, the other how many (and by whom) are cast
dmhearne
Well yes, but they work together. Suppression of a particular group is pretty hard with an even distribution
XXXSpork
Not everyone in Texas is a gun toting far right nut job...but there sure are a lot of em.
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
Why would anyone ever want Beto to win?
JanglesPrime
Because Abbott is actively killing people.
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
So don't vote for either
idiotcube
Don't like the current guy? Just don't do anything and hope he goes away!
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
Spoken like a true 2 party slave
idiotcube
So I assume the way to break free of this "slavery" is to not engage with anything political, except to fling popcorn at everyone who's >
AxelBeingCivil
More people voted for Biden in Texas than in New York.
LeSethX
Texas is becoming more of a purple state than New York... if it weren't for gerrymandering and voter suppression.
AxelBeingCivil
Honestly, it'd be real nice if the US adopted proportional representation so gerrymandering stopped being A Thing.
ferb444
The dems are slowly filtering voters into Texas. It’s purple now. I’m 10 years. Blue. Damn shame.
AxelBeingCivil
No, people are moving to Texas because housing is cheap there... "The Dems" aren't doing anything about that.
Imalwaysready
Not at all. I don't know where this myth comes from. The people moving here from places like California are purple on the best of days, NOT>
Imalwaysready
blue. The blue ones like and stay in CA. It's the red ones who wanted out who are flocking to TX. And immigrants could help tilt the field >
Imalwaysready
blue for a while, but a lot of Hispanics are FAR MORE socially conservative than many realize and can easily be scooped up by the right >
TheBlueMuppet
I moved to texas in 06 at the behest of a republican family. "The dems" didnt do shit, and i dont recall attending a dems meeting telling
TheBlueMuppet
anyone where to go or live.
thatsbadmmkay
I there no one better the Beto? Guys a completely hollow robot. A crappy dem is just going to result in a worse Abbott after.
SoundFuture
That's been one of the biggest issues in TX races, fielding a Dem that has the charisma and savvy. Beto is meh at best.
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
There hasn't been any high-charisma option since Beto. Ppl got a taste of how fun a political campaign could be and now they want it always
thatsbadmmkay
That's being very charitable. Doesnt stand on any policy in particular with the personality of a pencil. He's got my not Rep vote I guess
Wye734
I'm growing tired of Liberals fucking themselves holding out for "Perfect" and missing "good enough."
nanyatenyaa
I'm growing tired of the expectation that one should settle for things like partial autonomy, partial rights... partial health care.
nanyatenyaa
Eh just make 'em 3/5s of a person that's as good as we can do right now. Fuck it.
nanyatenyaa
Who needs a back bone? Screw it, the republicans seem to do well enough with their spaghetti noodle spines.
Wye734
Your idea of "perfect" and my ideal are different. We're people and I'm saying that you and I should get together and agree that we should..
TalkingSnake
Do you fucking understand what happened before? He lost to Ted Cruz. The guy who praises the fat old man who called his wife ugly.
mcfuckstick
he lost to the least popular person in the senate
CrossEyedPigeonToed
Ted Cruz is a cuck
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
Cruz enjoys wide support in TX. Just because he's despised Nationally doesn't mean locally ppl are tired of him.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
People might hate Ted Cruz as a person, but many conservatives will still vote for him as a Republican.
Photeus
Those people would vote for a rock with 'gunz' scrawled on it with pink chalk. Literally anything before someone reasonable.
HandoB4Javert
"man"
Mack1986
Rafael CanCruz? The guy with the ugly wife? Same guy right
OneNameHere
The guy who blamed his own children. Yeah.
thesameasyours
Im pretty sure beto won, but they suppressed enough votes to edge out a win
GreyKnightTemplar666
And with the suppression of covid countermeasures and mitigation, covid had killed more Republicans than Democrats technically
thesameasyours
Might flip
GreyKnightTemplar666
Might, but I won't hold my breath. Plus with the bills they pass to suppress voters it might balance out then killing their voters
kickmyballsrealhard
Trust me, they’ve done the math. It won’t affect their chances at re-election.
ThailandExpress
Tylurker
Aye, that's Cap'n Crenshaw's district alright! Look at that beautiful hook!
TalkingSnake
Robert O’Rourke lost the shitty white vote to Rafael Cruz. Is there no better option?
shitheadtookmyname
He actually lost the "moved here from California" view and won the "born in Texas" vote, astonishingly as the polls showed
orangearcadi
That actually kinda makes sense. Texas is as Texas does, but people moving there likely have an idealized version that attracted them
shitheadtookmyname
Californians who move here do it for lower taxes and more religion
shitheadtookmyname
Like serious lol at an atheist socialist in the state with by far the best weather willingly moving to Texas
NorrisMantooth
so the joke here is that Abbott was out for a run and was crushed by a falling tree branch and that's why he's paralyzed.
drumph
marteney1
*happy Austinite noises*
mikeatc
Figured it was a joke: 1984, age 26, Abbott was paralyzed below the waist when an oak tree fell on him while he was jogging after a storm.
mikeatc
Sauce: https://www.gregabbott.com/why-governor-greg-abbott-wheelchair/
PballQhead
Got a $7m settlement...thrb later at LtGov he wrote a law that would prevent people injured people in his situation from suing landowners.
Deadmanwalkn
Holy fuck that's fucked
Kyrorayne
That's a nice way of closing the door behind you that Republicans tend to favor
kels2787
Just one more reason the man is a fuckwad
flarflarf
I wish Beto the best of luck but he ended his polticial career in Texas with the gun control comment. Democrats, a word of advice: forget
AndyTheAbsurd
They need to forget all the Dems that have run in the past and run some new faces.
BlueAngel3141
His debate performances were less than aw inspiring as well. Good organizer, but would have to move to another state to get elected
flarflarf
gun control. It is a losing platform, and if you insist on clinging to it you'll never get your other legislation passed.
EdmondAlmond
To be fair, he probably made like $60 selling shirts with that gun-grabbing tagline before he shut down his campaign, so worth it.
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AndThenThereWereSquirrels
raising taxes on literally anyone ever for any reason, environmental protection, decreasing the military budget...
illegalacorn
maybe that's the entire idea.
HieronymousFlex
I wish more people understood this. It's a Sisyphean task, and diverts valuable time and resources from more important issues.
MaconDead
Texans: we're so prolife we'll inact the harshest (on women, not the men who knocked them up), but stfu about 8100 dead this year already &
MaconDead
If you try to do anything about it, we'll just double down on our insane legislation and not allow any progress. Selfish babies
JanglesPrime
The people who care about gun control as a single issue were never going to vote for a democrat anyway.
flarflarf
no, but there's people in the middle.
MaconDead
Texans: forget gun control, too controversial. Now excuse me while I watch my state descend into ultra conservative Christian insanity
Jackofslayers
Itsa losing platform and they get fucking nothing from pushing it. Even if 80% of the country agreed on the exact same gun control laws 1/2
Jackofslayers
It would still be unlikely to pass because of how difficult it is to ratify a constitutional amendment. The discussion is a waste of air
MaconDead
Man, the women and people of color of this country are super happy defeatists like you didn't win the day every other time we've ratified it
flarflarf
do you seriously think you can ratify an constitutional amendment to the 2nd? You realize it's ratified by states, not by population right?
ButtersTheCat
Abortion is aldo allowing issue for Dems in Texas. Any issue that drives out the GOP vote against it, should be avoided.
PiggyWobbles
I kind of wish they would let the GOP do what they want on abortion, and force the 10m suburban white women who voted for the GOP to >
PiggyWobbles
< say "oh shit, when they were talking about taking rights away they meant me?????"
ButtersTheCat
You really think all of them are prochoice? There's a large contingent of TX women who are VERY anti abortion.
MaconDead
GOP never getting challenged and doing whatever tf they want is already happening and exactly Texas' issue. "Let's do nothing, that'll work"
AxelBeingCivil
Women's reproductive healthcare is a human rights issue. It's not really negotiable.
DanaConti5
As a progressive Beto is required to stand up, not addressing it would be insane.
ButtersTheCat
Addressing it is fine, but when you make it the central issue, it's a guaranteed loser. Ask Wendy Davis. Too many antichoice women, here.
MaconDead
Oh fuck this bullshit. Over half of Americans support gun control. Just because the minority are vocal assholes doesn't make them right.
flarflarf
You're missing the point. Right or wrong, gun control is a losing issue. Would you rather make progress on other fronts or continue to wage
flarflarf
a losing battle on this hill?
MaconDead
But sure only fight for what is easy and doable immediately. But progress doesn't come from only fighting on easy fronts
MaconDead
Crazy thing, you can support various causes and public support can make a difference. Gay marriage was impossible in the 80s.
flarflarf
You're saying this in the thread about the democrat who COULD have been governor of Texas if he'd kept his mouth shut about gun control.
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MaconDead
LOL you mean like we did pre-Regan before the conservatives shut that shit down too? GOP only talks mental health when justifying their guns
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MaconDead
I feel yah. I just believe in actual gun control AND UHC. And don't think framing it one way will matter because the GOP will fight both
ButtersTheCat
No compassionate social issue gets traction, here. This state is full of selfish assholes, who are easily swayed by fear of socialism.
AxelBeingCivil
Also, all the federal Democratic proposals for gun control are actually genuinely useless.
MaconDead
Because the GOP and gun lobbyists make even the smallest, least impactful changes impossible. Australia style comprehensive gun control ftw
treed240z
They keep going after semi-auto rifles, despite the fact that overwhelming majority of gun crime is with hand guns.
AxelBeingCivil
Yup. And with illegally purchased or accessed guns, too.
treed240z
Yeah, seems like we should make it harder to illegally obtain and access these weapons then huh?
Heavenissize17socks
I'm a liberal *against* gun control. Majority of owners are experienced, well taught & disciplined. Plus, ACAB.
flarflarf
same.
shinagami091
This is where the misconception of what liberals want when it comes to guns. We don’t want to take guns away, that would be an impossible>
shinagami091
task even if we tried. We want better gun laws. Minors shouldn’t have guns. Parents should be responsible if a child kills someone with a>
shinagami091
gun. People with diagnoses for violent mental disorders should not own guns. Too many mass shootings happening in this country for us to do>
shinagami091
nothing about it. Something has to change or it’s only going to get worse.
GiddyKipper
Curious - against *all* control. No tighter measures: eg types of gun, ammo availability, checks before purchase, cool-down time etc ?
Heavenissize17socks
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/30/light-em-up-video-appears-to-show-law-enforcement-shooting-paint-rounds-at-citizens-on-their-porch
Heavenissize17socks
I know my neighbors. I trust them. These officers betrayed the trust of thier country. Worse, they were *allowed* to do so.
Heavenissize17socks
Need for gun control is cos people -snap-. Mental Health support serviced is expensive in the short term, priceless in the long game.
cadesama
Police shooting are more common in states with high gun ownership.
cadesama
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/9/17205256/gun-violence-us-police-shootings
AgainstMethod
Most "gun control" proposals are actually gun safety regulation and opposing those measure undercuts the claim of "responsible" ownership.
gnochi
That’s not even close to accurate. They’re placing financial and sociological barriers that only impact PoC, PwD, and lower econ classes.
AgainstMethod
How so?
gnochi
Just looking at California: Only these specific pistols, unless you pay a cop. No CCW in populated places, unless you pay a cop…
scuba7jb
When beto shouted "HELL YES I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY" he destroyed his texas political career -------------> change my mind.
HootSloot
Unnecessary and stupid move politically whether or not you agree with the policy.
ButtersTheCat
I agree. He won't control the narrative- they'll make it about guns & abortion & he'll lose. He needs to run on weed legalization if at all.
ButtersTheCat
His only shot is to determine the wedge issue himself. Make it about weed. It's an extremely popular idea, & Abbott is opposed.
SpicyPeanuts27
I hate to agree with u. 1 good thing he has going for him is that it's not the presidential elections and less show up to vote.
Lovingimpaler
When smart people do dumb things...
Imalwaysready
As a liberal Texan I 120% agree. He's done here for that. Period. Nominating him is basically handing the office back to Abbott, guaranteed.
VitaminJay
Well he's tied with Greg 'everything not me is a sin' Abbot, so guessing it's not as destroyed as you'd like to think.
AuntieCoddswaddle
The people who aren't going to vote for him probably never would. They'd find another excuse.
FnordGallop
IDK I think his political career was dead once the republican party moved too far right for him.
shinagami091
I 100% agree. I was going to vote for him in the primary but decided to go for Buttigig instead after that speech. I’m Democrat but I’m >
shinagami091
also pro 2A. Guns serve as a means to protect our rights from bad actors in the government. If they have machine guns, so should we.
MaconDead
Texans and conservatives and their dumb fuck power fantasies. If the government wanted to, they'd drone strike your shit state into a crater
MaconDead
But they don't. You're a conspiracy theorist supporting shitty policies out of conservatives fear of literally everything.
MaconDead
Oh and I read you're a "Democrat" Still got infected by that Texas, spouting your fear mongering bullshit
xj4low
I'm Texan and don't own guns, or cowboy boots. I'll vote for Beto. Hell, I would vote for a cold pile is shit before I vote for Abbott.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Well it's not exactly a wise to thing to say in the slightest...
ButtersTheCat
Not in Texas, anyway. That shit might fly in Cali, but the "dems are gonna take your guns!" trope is tried & true, here.
ButterfaceTaintClown
Texans aren't as stupid as you think - change my mind
Evanrudeplz
Texas voted for Trump, voted for Ted Cruz....Texans are exactly as stupid as we think. It's up to the electorate to change that narrative.
ButtersTheCat
I'm a Texan, and I can assure you - many Texans are more stupid than you think. Far more.
kindpanda
I would like Texans themselves to change my mind.
Skawomplious
The two party system is why voters have to choose between those two jokers.
penzick
Couldn't agree more. Here's a source trying to change that: https://electionreformers.org/supporting-ranked-choice-voting/
OldSchoolNewRules
His senate run was good, his presidential run was a disaster. That said any gun reforms he tries to push wont see the statehouse floor.
FunkyButttlovin
Athenalite
Abbott has literally left y'all to fend for yourselves or die. At least 2x. Beto might take your gun, but Abbott might take your life.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Neither of those are good...
Athenalite
Which is why the 2 party system is crap. But if someone takes your gun, it's possible to reverse that. If they take your life, not so much.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Well if they take all guns they're not gonna care about your life anyhow, so protest is required regardless of who wins
Athenalite
MOST of them believe reducing guns will save lives, b/c they DO care about lives. 1/2
Imalwaysready
And I think you underestimate which one a lot of Texans will vote on. Most are a LOT more scared of losing their guns than their lives.
MaconDead
That's because Texans and conservatives like that have been fed so much fear mongering they can't even go to Walmart without a gun. Pathetic
philmoregraves
No matter how hard he tries beto couldn't actually take away anyone's guns in Texas. Just dem grabbing there
Imalwaysready
Doesn't matter what he could practically do; matters what he said he'd do. That comment alone means he can't win TX. I'll put money on it.
philmoregraves
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you there at all. If you're trying to win TX don't say stupid shit like that
PoppaBigBear
You gotta put that on Facebook, everyone here pretty much supports beto
MikeRInternetTraveler
To a lot of Texans, though… that’s a mark in Abbott’s favor. Fucked up as it is.
EdmondAlmond
Burden of proof is on you.
mrpoopybutthole9000
No, it's not. The claim "Beto can win despite his anti-gun stance" is the more outlandish claim based on all past Texas voter behavior.
Evanrudeplz
Burden of proof is on the voters. !Remindme in one year.
fearTheAnimal
I'm Texan and I'll vote for him over a person like Abbott any day.
Imalwaysready
Same, but a whole lot won't. I'm liberal and I own guns and I'm fine with it. But I know a lot of independents who would have supported him>
Imalwaysready
--who even now still say they like him--bu have also said there isn't a snowball's chance in hell they'd vote for him after that one line.
shinagami091
I mean yeah I would do. But I wouldn’t want Beto to be the candidate. We need to get the swing vote to win and someone who is anti 2A in>
shinagami091
Texas is doomed to fail.
Imalwaysready
1000% agree. If he's nominated, the Democratic party is basically just handing the governorship back to Abbott on a silver platter.
gorillaClutch
I'm Texan too and as much as I'd vote for him. It's kinda true
WoeToHice
It's almost as the vast majority of the people who are frothing at the mouth from their hatred of Beto don't hang around on Imgur...
ogbiggnutz
You underestimate how much righty texans hate Beto, I mean they FUCKING hate with a passion
WickedSludge
Despite one of these people LITERALLY LETTING TEXANS FREEZE TO DEATH.
BarryTheCyborg
Hey man, he just gave them the freedom to freeze to death. Same with choking on their own lungs
fearTheAnimal
I feel like it's more important for him to excite liberals than worry about those who won't vote for him anyway.
ButtersTheCat
You'd think that, but we can't afford negative polarity. If he excites the GOP to turn out against him, he's fucked. Deck's too stacked.
heartlesswench
You're absolutely right.
Imalwaysready
As a Texan, I feel like liberals would vote for him as reliably as the righties won't. It's the moderates, independents, and fringe voters >
Imalwaysready
who REALLY have to feel motivated to turn out that he has to win over. And I think his gun comment has sadly already lost him the middle.
chiechien
Those Texans would literally hate anyone D. Why cave to them?