Back in July of 2013, I flew into SFO a few days after the crash of Asiana flight 214. When we looked out our windows at the other runway, we saw debris and the crashed plane. Weirdest landing ever.
Yes, runway approach lighting to assist with lining up with the runway in low visibility conditions. With the runways beginning near the waterline the lights have to be built out on the pier.
Are there any planes that like spin up the tires before landing so they are already at the right speed when they touch down? Looks like these skidded a bit as they started spinning.
The wheels aren’t powered, and putting a mechanism on that: 1. Meets seriously designed and proven safe design and construction standards. 2. Is worth the weight and long term fuel cost ( less than the wear on the tires costs) And 3. Buncha other stuff you and I and others haven’t thot of yet. 4. Buncha others HAVE thot of and determined it ain’t worth it…… is why they dont spin tires up.
I'm no aviator, but i think the idea is to slow the plane down with resistance, not maintain speed? Also if they're spinning, any slight deviation in speed could see veering
Yeah I've seen some vids of that one too. There's another, I don't recall where...... if you run out of runway on landing, you go down a cliff. Pilots need certified training to use it.
"Good afternoon passengers this is your captain speaking. We're on our final approach to SFO. If you look to your left you'll see that punk bitch, United flight 240, who thinks he can beat me in a race. I'll show him the meaning of 'fast' approach. Thank you for flying Spirit."
"Holy Shit!!" both pilots exclaim, as a Southwest pilot comes in hot and slides that 737-800 Max sideways, overtaking their taxiway position Fast & Furious-style.
"As such... In order to increase our approach angle for a faster touchdown I'm requesting the last third of the cabin passengers to move up to the front third of the plane, your timely assistance is appreciated."
I had flown many times to a fair number of airports before I ever flew into SFO, and on that approach looking out of an airliner's windows, you can't really see forward enough to see there's an airport ahead. Makes it look like you're about to ditch in the water. SMF (Sacramento) is funky too, looks like you're going to land in a farm field. PDX just feels like you're going to taxi the whole way there.
Iqaluit Nunavut is also like that, you come in over tundra and sea ice or open ice cold arctic waters. its a butt pucker for sure. still better then the gravel runway we land on. long befor i worked here they landed on the lake.... It's a 737. landing on a frozen lake in a 45 year old plane is not how i want to go out
We were landing in Gander, Newfoundland and I thought it was a similar situation. Turns out we were way too low way too soon. Pilot had to power up again and we flew a few more minutes before we got to the runway. When we landed in the US, we bounced from side to side so badly the flight attendant gasped in terror and put her hand over her mouth. Bad pilot.
I'm gonna guess the pilot didn't have the cockpit door open when everyone disembarked. We had a bad landing once at Washington National, in a cabin full of frequent fliers. We yaw slid both left and right before they slammed all 3 gear to the ground and hammered the engine, air, and wheel brakes on basically right away. The whole cabin gave a collective groan after that very jostling pair of moves. Cockpit door was shut with 2 attendants standing solidly in front as we disembarked.
I asked the flight attendant, who was in a jump seat very near us, if we were supposed to land like that. I was kidding, but she had a terrified look on her face and shook her head "no." She probably would have been fired if they had known she indicated that. We changed pilots and few into RDU with "heavy turbulence." The landing was as smooth as glass. Everyone clapped.
I was going to say the same thing about my only time to SFO. I was just seeing water as we descended. It was like land appeared at the last second. Definitely spiked my anxiety.
The worst is Laguna, CA. It's like they already take off straight up because noise ordinances only matter near wealthy neighborhoods. And the landings are terrifying. My favorite landing is Incheon in South Korea. Absolutely beautiful.
I met a pilot from Southwest who said they can request the "bay tour" as they call it, from air traffic control. They take off out of Oakland and level off at like 3000 feet and hang a left over the bay and both bridges.
I went to Hong Kong once when I was younger, back when the old airport was still in use. I still remember practically flying between the buildings on approach.
No but I know what to expect now. Like the first time flying into San Diego and thinking we were going to clip a parking garage (we weren't really THAT close but still).
I’ve flown into Aberdeen, Scotland where I was the last plane allowed….20 minutes of landing FUCK A SHEEP?! Boom!! “We’re putting all other flights to Edinburgh “
Looks like the FAA has been studying this for a while and might have put instrumentation in to allow parallel landings to increase efficiency. I didn't have time to read all 126 pages though. https://www.tc.faa.gov/its/worldpac/techrpt/afs420-84-1.pdf
It depends on the equipment that the airport has. Some allow parallel, and some have a trail requirement. SFO allows parallel, but PHL has a stagger. Regardless, if a navigation failure happens, it gets hairy for all parties involved.
That doesn’t explain the drag race “Christmas tree” lights hanging from a balloon over old Candlestick Park. Kids in their hot rides airplanes race out there all the time. It’s a known issue and the CHP refuses to get involved!
This is a prime example of how a comment full of ignorance gets upvotes from people who has not idea about the topic. Then the comment is more visible than others and keep spreeding ignorance.
That sounds like bullsh*t. Also, I'm a pilot. There are definitely separation constraints for simultaneous approach on parallel runways, but the "line up precisely next to each other for safety" thing is not something I've ever heard ATC say.
Very cool! I love how random comments on the internet can lead people to expand their understanding. And the fact that you took this route instead of the easy one says a lot more about you than any comment alone could say. I think you're the kind of person I would get along with. Cheers.
ATC here. They’re more than likely on instrument approaches that have been calculated and mapped out into oblivion allowing for reduced separation minima down final
Pilot here, no they’re not. Most approaches yes, but landings are manual 98% of the time, ie we disconnect autopilot somewhere on the approach. How early is up to the crew and what mindset the airline has in allowing for “maintaining basic handling skills”. Only when visibility is really bad, making it impossible to land with visual references, do we autoland (ILS Cat III).
Generally yes but at busier airports like this one, this is just more practical for standardized safety. Think of it this way: even on a crystal clear day you want lanes on a highway. Instrumentation removes a layer of human error
Many high traffic airports have "auto" landing systems in place to assist with landing regardless of visibility to boost safety and comfort. The pilots are more of the program setters in those landings.
Hi, also ATC, I'd like to see those flips because I'm curious if the they're kept at different depending angles for 500+ ft vertical separation until they're sub 1k or something along those lines.
Just checked your profile out and congrats on getting the job and the Air Force is a good way to get your feet wet. I was in from 2012-18, got a couple of deployments, did some contract work and now I’m with the FAA. I hope you love it as much as I have.
Precision runway monitor. Basically high accurate radar, with a tight scan area. Allows planes to be that close, but severely limited in terms of equipment that must be working.
I have a hunch its for wake turbulence avoidance on departure. They have to sequence takeoffs and landings by a # of minutes. Having both land and takeoff at the same time is better than spacing and having wave turb drift over the parallel runway. But you'd have to ask an ATC controller.
ATC here, if they have clearance to land aircraft on both runways simultaneously within specific guidelines / when criteria is met (approach types etc.) Then no reason to stagger them out. It's already annoying enough to space things for wake turbulence on a single runway. Example - two 737s need 4 miles between them on final, if you then also need to space for the other runway, that would add let's say another 3 miles. So now plane C is 7 miles from landing because of a different runway.
DummieThicc
You never had him. You never had your plane.
salikarn
Now somebody open the door
Frozenspokes
Love parallel runways.
Jamerperson
*Danger zone theme plays*
FatersGonnaFate
It's United Airlines, so the first one is actually 5 hours late
myoldnamewasntverynice
MDW is spooky.
BargYartson
Only 750 feet of separation at SFO
PilotOfTheCaribbean
Breakaway breakaway UnitedXXX turn right heading zzz climb to altitude 3000 feet immediately
CynicalPrints
Butter
Maviyakuku
In a parallel universe this would be just asking for it.
nojustsayitdont
Fuck this website is so balky. It's like the servers are Orange cats and they're sharing ONE BRAIN CELL.
silverback57
Imgur is slowly coming to an end.
willerybill
That’s like the cleanest plane window ever!
Wubbalubbadubdubb101
"It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a nautical mile. Winning is winning"
Branchc
If you’re not first, you’re last
InfOracle
Me, yelling at the other plane: WHAT'S YOUR NAME!!!!
GTimgur
I haven't been to a ton of airports, but SFO and Atlanta were my favourites. Boston worst.
davyclam
Then you've never been to Schiphol.
GTimgur
You're correct!
euphxenos
Back in July of 2013, I flew into SFO a few days after the crash of Asiana flight 214. When we looked out our windows at the other runway, we saw debris and the crashed plane. Weirdest landing ever.
quade
Meh. SFO looks like Cthulhu from a map's perspective
omniikiid
Thats it's charm. XD
HeadJamistan
Hatrax
Never flew into SFO, but the approach looks very similar to the one at NGO (Nagoya Chubu Centrair) Water, ships, and then the reclaimed land.
MonkeyFunkingFunker
And KIX (Osaka).
Hatrax
I flew into KIX once, but it was at night during a storm so I couldn't see much of the approach.
weidermeijer
Give it a little S-turn and rub some paint.
KaJuN
Rubbin's racin'
UpvoteTotem
Is that a pier off the end of the runway? What's that doing there
b0nk3r5
There's one extending out from each runway, so... navigational assistance lights?
SamAndJanetEvening
Yes, runway approach lighting to assist with lining up with the runway in low visibility conditions. With the runways beginning near the waterline the lights have to be built out on the pier.
UpvoteTotem
I should have guessed that
barnwolf
Are there any planes that like spin up the tires before landing so they are already at the right speed when they touch down? Looks like these skidded a bit as they started spinning.
whadyameanthatnamestaken
The wheels aren’t powered, and putting a mechanism on that: 1. Meets seriously designed and proven safe design and construction standards. 2. Is worth the weight and long term fuel cost ( less than the wear on the tires costs) And 3. Buncha other stuff you and I and others haven’t thot of yet. 4. Buncha others HAVE thot of and determined it ain’t worth it…… is why they dont spin tires up.
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
I'm no aviator, but i think the idea is to slow the plane down with resistance, not maintain speed? Also if they're spinning, any slight deviation in speed could see veering
barnwolf
I was thinking less wear on the tires if they were already spun up. I don't think spinning up the tires slows the plane significantly.
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
veering tho
barnwolf
If it can't slow down the plane than adjusting for minor differences in speed wouldn't matter either.
joe6paques
The pilots were doing that on purpose.
brownribbon
Doubt.
greenchair
Landing?
joe6paques
Landing exactly at the same time.
USSBigBooty
Pilots and ground control on landing:
happywalker
some people like a challenge :-P
MyOtherPetIsACat
Courchevel ?
GoliathSkittles
My favourite was the old Hong Kong airport, you had to fly directly at a mountainside and then make a sharp turn at the last minute to land there.
guitarfourtysix
Yeah I've seen some vids of that one too. There's another, I don't recall where...... if you run out of runway on landing, you go down a cliff. Pilots need certified training to use it.
Cavoo
"Good afternoon passengers this is your captain speaking. We're on our final approach to SFO. If you look to your left you'll see that punk bitch, United flight 240, who thinks he can beat me in a race. I'll show him the meaning of 'fast' approach. Thank you for flying Spirit."
secretoaster
I live my life quarter runway at a time
TK421isAFK
"Holy Shit!!" both pilots exclaim, as a Southwest pilot comes in hot and slides that 737-800 Max sideways, overtaking their taxiway position Fast & Furious-style.
IWasToldThereWasCake
I lol’d at Spirit
Durahl
"As such... In order to increase our approach angle for a faster touchdown I'm requesting the last third of the cabin passengers to move up to the front third of the plane, your timely assistance is appreciated."
Comet260
(Overspeed alarm going nuts)
DanOrtega
You know this is fake because its not garbled as fuck and with the microphone so close to the mouth everything is muffled.
Euchre
I had flown many times to a fair number of airports before I ever flew into SFO, and on that approach looking out of an airliner's windows, you can't really see forward enough to see there's an airport ahead. Makes it look like you're about to ditch in the water. SMF (Sacramento) is funky too, looks like you're going to land in a farm field. PDX just feels like you're going to taxi the whole way there.
Lachwen
First time I ever flew, we flew into LaGuardia. I thought we were gonna land in the East River.
jjsjosCreator
Iqaluit Nunavut is also like that, you come in over tundra and sea ice or open ice cold arctic waters. its a butt pucker for sure. still better then the gravel runway we land on. long befor i worked here they landed on the lake.... It's a 737. landing on a frozen lake in a 45 year old plane is not how i want to go out
Heelcat70
We were landing in Gander, Newfoundland and I thought it was a similar situation. Turns out we were way too low way too soon. Pilot had to power up again and we flew a few more minutes before we got to the runway. When we landed in the US, we bounced from side to side so badly the flight attendant gasped in terror and put her hand over her mouth. Bad pilot.
Euchre
I'm gonna guess the pilot didn't have the cockpit door open when everyone disembarked. We had a bad landing once at Washington National, in a cabin full of frequent fliers. We yaw slid both left and right before they slammed all 3 gear to the ground and hammered the engine, air, and wheel brakes on basically right away. The whole cabin gave a collective groan after that very jostling pair of moves. Cockpit door was shut with 2 attendants standing solidly in front as we disembarked.
Heelcat70
I asked the flight attendant, who was in a jump seat very near us, if we were supposed to land like that. I was kidding, but she had a terrified look on her face and shook her head "no." She probably would have been fired if they had known she indicated that. We changed pilots and few into RDU with "heavy turbulence." The landing was as smooth as glass. Everyone clapped.
commanderpopnfresh79
I was going to say the same thing about my only time to SFO. I was just seeing water as we descended. It was like land appeared at the last second. Definitely spiked my anxiety.
doody639
Glad that it wasn’t “Wi Tu Lo”.
WoofBastard
Sum Ding Wong
wadatahmydamie
Holy shit that’s a deep cut
remaker
Not for people who lived in SFO when it happened.
jicahmusic
daddydeezy
Bang Ding Ow
BuroneLP
Wi Tu Lo
daddydeezy
- Capt. Sum Ting Wong
Heretik408
Ho Lee Fuuk
triptolemus510
The only thing better than seeing this pop up here was having watched the newscast live and recognizing the prank straight away. Poor Tori Campbell.
putcleverusernamehere
Same
Euchre
https://youtu.be/jIE94r8G3xc for the uninitiated.
HeadJamistan
I bought a video card from a guy named "Dik Hung Lo" in the 90's. Oh man I wish that cellphone cameras had existed then.
TeamOxfordCommas
That’s awesome 👏 thanks for sharing!
DukeOfTheFifth
Top 3 funniest pranks of all time
Leithoa
What made it funny
WoofBastard
The racism, duh!
LetumComplexo
Don’t forget the 3 dead and 187 injured.
WoofBastard
Yes! That always makes me laugh!
Witcher187
I used to fly a lot, and this was always my favorite airport to land at.
VaultGirl69
The worst is Laguna, CA. It's like they already take off straight up because noise ordinances only matter near wealthy neighborhoods. And the landings are terrifying. My favorite landing is Incheon in South Korea. Absolutely beautiful.
HenryLongfellowIII
Kai Tak was the best.
eetsumkaus
The view of the San Francisco Bay on approach is something else, especially if you take the path over the Golden Gate.
KellyanneConwayTwitty
I met a pilot from Southwest who said they can request the "bay tour" as they call it, from air traffic control. They take off out of Oakland and level off at like 3000 feet and hang a left over the bay and both bridges.
eetsumkaus
ahh, that makes sense. I flew out of Oakland every month for 4-5 years and I could never get enough of that sight
56chatnoir0
Especially at night. Beautiful
mattrixk
I went to Hong Kong once when I was younger, back when the old airport was still in use. I still remember practically flying between the buildings on approach.
IWasGoingToMakeEspresso
I’ve heard of this. You’re talking about Kowloon, right?
eetsumkaus
San Jose Airport to the south of this is like that. The approach path takes you right over downtown, to the runway just outside it.
IWasGoingToMakeEspresso
The approach at Kai Tak took you through the buildings. Planes had to actually weave around them to land.
Jimbo64
Same here. Except the very first time when it was foggy. It was like: cloud, cloud, cloud, OMG 3 feet from water!
sorryforsayingthat
So true!
eetsumkaus
Wait, MOST of the time you landed in SFO it was clear?!?!
Gandalfsuglybrother
I worked at SFO for about 20 years. Very rare to have fog down on the peninsula. That's a SF city thing.
Jimbo64
No but I know what to expect now. Like the first time flying into San Diego and thinking we were going to clip a parking garage (we weren't really THAT close but still).
KellyanneConwayTwitty
Yah I live in SF. This was today. Good old 757 race.
KarsonMadden
Did they finally finish the damn construction on the runways? I was circling for hours 2 months ago
bananasarethedevil
Have you even flown into Burbank airport? Shortest runway possible so it’s wild!
SlutAtNight
I’ve flown into Aberdeen, Scotland where I was the last plane allowed….20 minutes of landing FUCK A SHEEP?! Boom!! “We’re putting all other flights to Edinburgh “
Oblok
They're side-by-side for safety. If one were to have a failure and veer towards the other, they'd wind up behind them.
ShooterV12
Wrong, there is a very big mirror is what we are see :D
hollenqual
The funny part is that your comment is getting downvoted for saying something entirely stupid as the original comment, thats got 2++ upvotes.
WetCarrots
Your geometry is correct, but your statement is not. We do take safety very seriously, but parallel runways and pure coincidence made this happen.
Oblok
Corrected. See: /gallery/ROMJBS8/comment/2329434873
Oblok
I learned a lot researching my comment (that had only naive justification): https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=5935382
idontlikepickingusername
Looks like the FAA has been studying this for a while and might have put instrumentation in to allow parallel landings to increase efficiency. I didn't have time to read all 126 pages though.
https://www.tc.faa.gov/its/worldpac/techrpt/afs420-84-1.pdf
Wonkable
It depends on the equipment that the airport has. Some allow parallel, and some have a trail requirement. SFO allows parallel, but PHL has a stagger. Regardless, if a navigation failure happens, it gets hairy for all parties involved.
q2grapple
That doesn’t explain the drag race “Christmas tree” lights hanging from a balloon over old Candlestick Park. Kids in their hot rides airplanes race out there all the time. It’s a known issue and the CHP refuses to get involved!
putcleverusernamehere
I award you one ha for the effort you put in to this
PilotOfTheCaribbean
Incorrect, you need to follow a special procedure for this.
Ijustwantquiet
"Push a button!"
CorgisDontExist
Great example of how someone can present bullshit as fact and get praised for it.
Oblok
I've offered clarification. See: /gallery/ROMJBS8/comment/2329434873
hollenqual
This is a prime example of how a comment full of ignorance gets upvotes from people who has not idea about the topic. Then the comment is more visible than others and keep spreeding ignorance.
Oblok
Corrected. See: /gallery/ROMJBS8/comment/2329434873
sandwiched
Welcome to Imgur.
tylerlarson
That sounds like bullsh*t. Also, I'm a pilot. There are definitely separation constraints for simultaneous approach on parallel runways, but the "line up precisely next to each other for safety" thing is not something I've ever heard ATC say.
Frederf
SFO is too close in IMC. You need like Denver far apart for unrestricted simul.
IronMagnus
It's so their wing tips can give each other a high five after they land.
Oblok
Corrected. See: /gallery/ROMJBS8/comment/2329434873
tylerlarson
Very cool! I love how random comments on the internet can lead people to expand their understanding. And the fact that you took this route instead of the easy one says a lot more about you than any comment alone could say. I think you're the kind of person I would get along with. Cheers.
Oblok
Thank you for the compliment, and have a fine day. :)
MindfulAmnesia
Agree
alphaseltzer23
They're in a low altitude funnel gunnell, i've seen it a hundred times in the tower
bassaro
uhhhhh negative tower, we'll go around
ShiftingPattern
Do you have PRM training?
WetCarrots
Yes.
Wonkable
I do, and have done actual prm approaches. And have never heard ATC put 2 planes parallel as a requirement. They can, but don't have to
KiddLauderdale
ATC here. They’re more than likely on instrument approaches that have been calculated and mapped out into oblivion allowing for reduced separation minima down final
Exoch
Most likely the visual. They like pairing up the landings on the 28s like that so they can launch departures off the 1s.
defurious
May i ask as a total landlubber, why would they be on instrument approach in clear daylight? I thought instrument was for poor visibility
RunsNakedThroughSwamps
I think most landings nowadays are done by autopilot. That may be why
ScoobyDooku
Pilot here, no they’re not. Most approaches yes, but landings are manual 98% of the time, ie we disconnect autopilot somewhere on the approach. How early is up to the crew and what mindset the airline has in allowing for “maintaining basic handling skills”. Only when visibility is really bad, making it impossible to land with visual references, do we autoland (ILS Cat III).
KiddLauderdale
Generally yes but at busier airports like this one, this is just more practical for standardized safety. Think of it this way: even on a crystal clear day you want lanes on a highway. Instrumentation removes a layer of human error
Isorikk
Many high traffic airports have "auto" landing systems in place to assist with landing regardless of visibility to boost safety and comfort. The pilots are more of the program setters in those landings.
CandyPlanetJumper
Hi, also ATC, I'd like to see those flips because I'm curious if the they're kept at different depending angles for 500+ ft vertical separation until they're sub 1k or something along those lines.
otiumCatulli
CandyPlanetJumper
Descending* angles
SesshomaruTheDemon
Same, I am also ATC (At the club) and can confirm.
KiddLauderdale
Just checked your profile out and congrats on getting the job and the Air Force is a good way to get your feet wet. I was in from 2012-18, got a couple of deployments, did some contract work and now I’m with the FAA. I hope you love it as much as I have.
CandyPlanetJumper
I'm having a great time, 98 GPA but canyon radar is kicking my ass.
LewdSomnambulist
No it's not. It's a PRM approach
NotAPervert
What’s PRM mean
flemkin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_runway_monitor
Wonkable
Precision runway monitor. Basically high accurate radar, with a tight scan area. Allows planes to be that close, but severely limited in terms of equipment that must be working.
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LewdSomnambulist
It's to enable efficient, simultaneous use of close parallel runways. There's no requirement to be abeam on the approach
Oblok
I've offered refinement on this point. See: /gallery/ROMJBS8/comment/2329434873
Wonkable
Hey, I watched that video when I flew the regional jet
cazzegiare
Could you explain more on how using the runways in a staggered fashion would make it less efficient?
LewdSomnambulist
I have a hunch its for wake turbulence avoidance on departure. They have to sequence takeoffs and landings by a # of minutes. Having both land and takeoff at the same time is better than spacing and having wave turb drift over the parallel runway. But you'd have to ask an ATC controller.
CandyPlanetJumper
ATC here, if they have clearance to land aircraft on both runways simultaneously within specific guidelines / when criteria is met (approach types etc.) Then no reason to stagger them out. It's already annoying enough to space things for wake turbulence on a single runway. Example - two 737s need 4 miles between them on final, if you then also need to space for the other runway, that would add let's say another 3 miles. So now plane C is 7 miles from landing because of a different runway.