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Wanted: A handgun that can go toe-to-toe with the mobsters!
The Volstead act outlawed alcoholic drinks in the United States during the 1920s. It also made the business of illegally manufacturing, importing, or selling of alcohol highly profitable. As you can imagine criminals stepped in and soon started making a lot of money. We saw mobsters like Al Capone rise during this era.
The mobsters were well funded and had the latest in weaponry, including the famous Thompson automatic ("tommy gun"). Law enforcement at that time found themselves outgunned. The .38 revolver that was ubiquitous among law enforcement simply did not have the penetration and stopping power needed against the mobsters. With a velocity of about 800 feet per second, it did not have the power to penetrate car doors or body armor of the time.
By the late 20s the situation was pretty dire. Gang violence was on the rise (St Valentines Day Massacre). So law enforcement asked the gun manufacturers of the day to come up with something more effective -- a gun or round that could penetrate automobiles and body armor.
Coming! ...a new Colt
Colt was the first to respond. In 1927 Colt started developing a new pistol that could meet the needs of law enforcement. What they introduced in 1929 was the "Super 38". Note there is some confusion regarding the name. The pistol is called the "Super 38", while later ammo is called the "38 Super". The original pistol shot the same 38 ACP round invented by John Moses Browning way back in 1900. However because of the smaller caliber and faster velocity it was able to penetrate car doors while .45ACP could not. It was only later on that the ammo companies determined that the round could be loaded hotter for use in this automatic pistol that the 38 super was introduced.
What is this? A hunk of junk?
When I first saw the box I was wondering what was inside. What is that? Band-aids? If the box was in such poor shape then what about the gun?
All cleaned up
Luckily I was able to clean up the box and get all of that medical tape off. The original end label is still intact
4 digit
Colt practice at the time was to write the serial number on the bottom of the box in pencil. That number was still there. Wow, that got my heart racing. a 4 digit serial number!
Labels and Paperwork
ok I slowly open the box to find the original documentation. sweet! what lay underneath?
wow!
oh you beautiful beautiful colt! it took my breath away! A first year of production Colt Super .38. Colt guns produced in this era are probably the finest they ever built. Colt had a highly skilled workforce, who gained valuable experience during WW I, with not a lot of demand on their time because of the depression. Guns produced in this timeframe exhibit superior fit and finish. These Pre-War (pre-WW2) guns are highly in demand by collectors.
As you can see the gun is easily in 99% condition with the only wear being on the trigger.
Serial #1127 - First year of production
Two tone magazine
The magazine is the typical two toned magazine used in this time frame. The reason why it is two tone? colt had a really hard time getting the magazines right. The feed lips would bend in the earliest magazines. Then Colt tried cutting a hole to relieve stress from the lips (the so-called "keyhole magazines"). Finaly Colt figured out that they could temper the top half of the magazine by dipping it into molten cyanide(!). This dip stripped off the bluing.
polishing AFTER rollmarks -- attention to detail that is sadly lost today
vintage ammo
Along with the gun I also received a box of vintage ammo from the seller. Notice that is just normal .38 automatic, not .38 super. .38 super did not come along until later. A big clue to the gun's remarkable condition -- only 9 rounds were missing from this box. I'm pretty sure whomever owned this gun before shot exactly 1 magazine, called it a day and put it away.
the other gangsta stopper - the registered magnum .357
A few years after the introduction of the Colt Super 38, Smith and Wesson introduced their own answer to law enforcement's request -- the Registered Magnum. Chambered in the new .357 magnum round it quickly found favor with law enforcement. J Edgar Hoover considered automatics to be "ganster weapons" and encouraged the use of revolvers by federal law enforcement.
The .357 became wildly successful, the .38 Super less so. However, the .38 Super continues to be popular in countries where military ammunition is prohibited. In fact, the .38 Super is the most popular caliber in Mexico. In addition the .38 Super is popular in shooting sports because of its extremely flat trajectory.
elucidatefurther
HARD AS A FUCKING ROCK
FFPatrick
Makes me damn proud to own a great great great nephew of that gun. Colt should bring back the old Rampant
SpeedyMcJohnson
ALL THE NICE
HitlersCat
Freedom has never l
Dunes8
All you need now is an old fashioned trenchcoat.
derpwagon
Beautiful. Simply beautiful. Keep it and pass it down to your kids someday
Haxbrygd
.38 Super is a badass little round. I really wish it was still a relevant caliber.
Merlinikin
I hope I look that good at 80 years old
HT0WNHER0
What's a ballpark cost on something like that @op
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
That is one beautiful pistol there. Also, dipped in molten cyanide? Bad. Ass.
T3sl4co1l
Cyanide is great for steel, having a useful melting point and chemically hardening it, depending on how you use it
Hankheals
About to pass out from blood being diverted rapidly. My God, she's a beauty.
Alaskabound
Also beautiful pistol wouldnt mind having one in the safe
ToddMinus
A rare piece of history right there.
ematic
I always saw it as a 1911 chambered in .38 Super. Were there any other differences? (mechanically)
Jessticlesnice
'We saw mobsters like Al Capone rise during this era.' OP are you the oldest person on the internet. Because that's cool
Caddy15
It looks brand new. Has gun manufacturing and design changed much since then?
yehaaa6
kinda crazy to think it's over 80 years old.
asa1967
Damn. That's gorgeous. Closest I've got to something like that is Grandpop's Service Pistol from when he was Army Air Corp. A M1911A1
falala78
That sounds amazing too
grizzzzzly
Reddit OP - http://imgur.com/6aH0s24
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
Yay for honest people!
marksman48
Fuck that is gorgeous. ..
jinky74
Where did you get it, @OP?
GetSchwiftyWasAJam
Gorgeous.
Damnbruh
*sigh* unzip...
ledge
Not a collector but my god that is a beautiful piece of hardware AND history!
Eldibs
Props to its previous owners, that gun is in great shape.
mmapster
I'm not usually a gun guy but that's a beautiful firearm.
Selerox
Pretty much exactly my thoughts as well. The craftsmanship on that is just stunning.
yehaaa6
it's very elegant in its lack of embellishment. incredibly good looking.
causality
Zispinhoff
SAVED from the SMELTER!?!? THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT!!!
RjFlorida
I feel about smelting a gun like that the way people feel about saving a puppy from a first kill animal shelter.
wonder89
About what is the collector value on this?
RepostFromLastWeek
Up to 6k $ or more depending on the condition.
odium33
How much is this worth? $10k?
andshewillbe
1000
cpnbeeb
All said, I'd guess $7-8k. Maybe more in the right hands. The box and papers add a lot of value.
Treblaine
I heard .38-Super became so popular in handgun shooting due to a certain rule on bullet energy requirements.
cpnbeeb
Yeah, some gun game folks are pretty fond of it.
Treblaine
But they apparently keep changing the rules making so many calibres non-optimal or against-regs. I think it was IPSC.