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IPoisonedDorcasMutton
Yeah, I'm gonna take note of every place that puts these signs up and never take my money there ever again
DontDoWhatDonaldDontDoes
They wanted free market capitalism, they are getting free market capitalism...
woozle
Kralizac
I wish I didn't have to go back....
Shaodyn
"Why don't my employees want to work? Is it the shitty conditions and the low wages? No, that's impossible. They must be lazy!"
zeacorzeppelin10
Herman Cain lobbied for the pitiful restaurant wages and got it. Hope he rots in hell.
DreamingOfDistantShores
If you pay employees so little they require food stamps and other government assistance to get by, you have become the very 'socialism' you
DreamingOfDistantShores
so greatly feared. Everyone else is paying the difference to keep those people alive, where your company isn't. Looking at you, Walmart, and
DreamingOfDistantShores
also an unfortunately huge chunk of the rest of American businesses.
johnvictor
Socialize the risks, privatize the rewards.
Afewflowers
I would like a list of every business that posts crap like this, so I know where to avoid.
CaptainThePirate
Wow outback fuck you
zanaria
Offer a decent wage and people will be willing to work...
Kurama99
DWandRFaremyspiritbeings
Should gorilla glue a printed out copy of that under the outback sign.
khazaria
On the other hand I don't think they can raise the minimum wage of those guys to 25+/hr anytime soon to compete with pandemic money...
dontrike
Most states don't need that. Even going to $13 would at the very least be a fucking start. People can't live on $8/hr
khazaria
Oh, I'm certainly not making any argument for 8/hr. What I am saying is that 300/week + unemployment + medicaid + food stamps is a LOT more
dontrike
Yes, it is, and that help proved what people need and they won't work for those kinds of wages anymore.
khazaria
Only because we are giving them 25+/hr to not work. Once that is cut off they will return to work. Hopefully wages will be higher though.
hnngh
The state of Texas let's them pay waitresses $2/hr. Most states have a "tip credit" which allows businesses to pay workers less than minimum
Xedi22
And at crappier places the waitress just gets handed $20 in cash...and that’s it. Lots of undocumented “tax free” work in the industry.
redstaterefugee
Living wage and STABLE HOURS. Split shifts and unpredictable schedules can go to hell.
mity0k23
As a restaurant patron (including Outback), I’m straight not going into a place that has dumb shit like that posted.
DanaConti5
Like wtf, why make that my problem?
mardukkur
100%, if I see a sign like that I'm turning around and never coming back.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Yep! I will turn around and go someplace else.
BruceVelocity
maybe, round up a bunch of friends to pitch in five bucks, then walk in and hand it to workers there and suggest they go home too.
Yupurineutah
I have been to Outback. Once. At a company party. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1998/11/rough-cuts/
mity0k23
Crikey! Didn’t know restaurant PACs were even a thing.
snuffcarcass
There’s a spectacular confluence of entitlement, magical thinking, and bad taste that is filtering for the Apex Douchenozzle customer here
snuffcarcass
Imma need fifty an hour and an hourly hazmat shower of purell to show up for THAT shit
NoneMorePale
quitting a stable income because you got $1,400 doesn't really make sense, but okay
DanaConti5
It wasn’t stable, customers weren’t coming in, people were getting fired and their hours were getting cut down.
moreaujr
is 2.30$/h really a stable income?
NoneMorePale
That's not what I meant. The whiny sign in the first photo, as to why people arent working.
NoneMorePale
as for stable income, livable wage within the United States should be at least $25/hr.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
No benefits, terrible pay, and you can be fired any time with no prior warning for literally no reason? Yeah, that's not a stable income.
NoneMorePale
...my comment was about the whiny sign on the window
Kittynomnoms
Lot of people are also on unemployment. I know people who lost their jobs but are putting away more money than ever. Working is expensive.
NoneMorePale
That's very true
Ffudmethen
#1 fuck those lies, 3 stimi checks slowly delivered over a yr, maybe $4200 and they think people are living the highlife not wanting to work
Kemi337
Not defending their assessment, but the additional unemployment is more money as well. This is still a bad faith argument to justify (1/2)
Kemi337
The situation they've created by treating staff like crap and paying garbage. Plenty of people left the industry altogether. (2/2)
Ffudmethen
Yeah it's just a cop out for paying low wages
afatrollofmyown
I dunno about you, but I'd definitely need another zero to get halfway to the "high life".
JeevesMk2
Imagine being the manager of an Outback Steakhouse and being so hopelessly brainwashed by your corporate overlords that you'd write that.
dtallen243
Texas Roadhouse starting is $16/hour at least the one near me n Ohio
MKaiser
can confirm the one in WI starts at the same
dtallen243
Which is funny cause I'm an automotive quality control team lead and I make the same/hour
mardukkur
Why when they could just post passive-aggressive whining on their door instead?
ThrowAwayAcct0000
So it sounds like they CAN afford to pay, they just would rather pocket that profit for themselves.
FussyZeus
Tons of places are advertising $15-17 an hour in rural WI. Just goes to show, they could always fuckin afford it, they just didn't want to.
dtallen243
Which in rural areas is way more than a livable wage. In rural Ohio you can easily live on $13 an hour
digitist
I would bet this one, in Memphis, does not even come close to that.
BernieMittens
If you don't pay livable wages to your employees, I'm not buying your crap. I'm not eating out. I'm not tipping. I'm not supporting you
HamSlamwich
$2.13 an hour here in Utah
Problemwoodchuck
I used to manage a restaurant. Being a server or cook was rough 15 years ago, it's absolutely brutal today & the wages have barely changed.
FrickinLasers
When you can no longer exploit people you have to resort to shaming them, then wonder why no one wants to work for you.
AnythingMuchShorter
If they don't want to pay more I'd just tell them what they always tell us to justify a really low wage "that's the going rate"
afatrollofmyown
Worked in restaurant biz 10+ years, there was never a time I was not abused, some moreso than others.
Gobjin
Weird, when people aren’t FORCED to work for pocket lint they choose to find more enjoyable employment?? Who woulda thought ?♂️
roughingupthesuspect
Who wants to work service industry when half the customers have gone batshit...
afatrollofmyown
And what're the odds you have to deal with a Karen? When I was a barista, it was at least 2x a day. I need $50/hour for that shit
TheDogEnd
If people are getting hungry because there aren't enough service workers they can always #EatTheRich
AnythingMuchShorter
A $20 plate of food is a luxury item anyway, it's not like it's done mainly for sustenance. If the cost of restaurant food at a decent wage
AnythingMuchShorter
is too high they can always learn to use their stove and microwave at home.
afatrollofmyown
Spoiler alert, a lot of places are using the microwave anyway.
AnythingMuchShorter
Yeah, if you go to chili's or Applebee's, unless you get something specifically grilled you are paying for a microwave frozen meal.
thinlyveilednonsense
Nobody wants to risk their lives for $8/h minus taxes.
tugboatcaptain
Yeah I was like wow get a load of this guy thinking $10/hr is low
ElDrmm
"risk their lives"? It's not actually like Australia in the Outback steakhouse, is it?
thinlyveilednonsense
I don’t want to shock you, but currently there is a global pandemic.
AstroortsA
Nobody wants to risk their lives for $8/h minus taxes, and then not be able to pay for medical needs/ bills. Even if they pay for separate..
AstroortsA
Insurance, they are expected to pay additional cost to fully use what they have been paying for monthly. As if you can do that with $8/h.
Nbdycares
Mexico disagrees.
dustylynnn1337
Try $2.13 here
Boldeyes
Where do you live?
Scallion420
Wait, poor ppl pay taxes?
afatrollofmyown
Fuck yeah, I'm getting jacked for 22% and I barely made 10k last time I had a job.
oopsIdroppedmypocketpasta
It's not like rich people do.
Scallion420
Was trying to be ironic. We pay on income over $17000/yr
oopsIdroppedmypocketpasta
Ahh, I see.
Bmxtucker
Tipped workers min wage = $2.30/hr
pseudopseudonym
The workers have to be paid the actual minimum wage. What the $2.30 number does is allow the employer to steal tips from the workers.
dyxj
*$2.13
BeStillB
I worked for Outback at $2.13 an hour plus tip. Awful.
ClumsyBagOfSaltWater
Not in my state. It is 10.08 here. Same as normal min-wage.
icommentwithsteveharvey
True, but if you dont reach fed min wage the restaurant has to pay up to that. Also as a 15 year vet you can make a livable wage with tips
icommentwithsteveharvey
Still, no real breaks, no vacation/sick leave, no benefits, no retirement, rampant wage theft. Ideally a higher min wage, benedits, and tips
SquirtleSquad420
Their supposed to but good luck getting them to.
thevortexmaster
The USA is crazy. You still get tipped in Canada but on top of wages
GwyndsCat
Same in the UK, minimum wage varies by age from £4.67 at 16, to £8.91 at 21, tips paid to wait staff are an added bonus.
Kamishiro
Yeah, you don’t have to ban tipping, just ensure min wage for tipped jobs is the same as any other job. Tipping becomes optional, business »
Kamishiro
« increases, more people want to work at restaurants, economy is stimulated and grows. No downsides for anyone.
AutumnalDreams
Tipping has always been optional, Americans just turned into a toxic enforced behavior to justify their shit ways.
Kamishiro
It’s kinda mandatory, since not tipping someone making $3/hr makes you an asshole. It’s a broken system, and needs to be fixed.
thinlyveilednonsense
Seriously?!? How is that legal in a first world country? That’s basically slave wages.
craque
we still calling it a first world country?
siskinatorre
Check the wages of any waffle house in the south. Ijs.
passthatbleach
Im a server. We get payed about 2.30 per hour. But if our tips for the week cover that and add up to minimum wage we dont get a pay check.
passthatbleach
People will talk shit about the food industry but i think everyone should try it. It makes you empathetic towards other people at least.
thinlyveilednonsense
I’m Canadian; my last service job was being a barista three years ago in Canada; I made $11.75/h plus tips.
bigkingdingaling
It's not. If their tips don't equal out to at least min wage, they get paid min wage.
RatElemental
Most places I've worked have used that as a reason to fire them because clearly it's THEIR fault they didn't make the tips. Boils my blood.
Alchamaedus
They’re SUPPOSED to.
Fritzy19
They're supposed to, yes. But if they don't, bring it up would get you fired.
Excalibastard
Unemployment free ride baybeee
DeathdealerFox
The 'wage' is to cover taxes mostly. Most servers I know make $0-$50 per pay period (two weeks) and usually around minimum wage in tips.
bigkingdingaling
Your friends must not have a lot of customers or do a good job serving if they're making $7.25hr waiting tables.
DeathdealerFox
No sorry, not fed minimum. ~$10 and thats average. Some nights $30/hrs, some $30/night. Food service is not stable especially now.
Rogahar
Their friends SHOULD be paid a living wage to start with, like in the rest of the country where tips are considered a bonus for a job >
palmo
What an awful take.
Pub3z4u
'Merica....it's dumb as hell and shitty practice.
thedroids
Well they are guaranteed minimum wage. Nobody makes 2.30 an hour. They are just expected to get tips to cover the gap.
Jules6486
I can barely survive on $18 an hour
thinlyveilednonsense
My SO and I are trying to save up for a house. We both work full time but even a one bedroom rental plus living expenses eats up so much $$
Jules6486
Yup, my spouse makes $30 an hour and we still struggle
afatrollofmyown
$18/hour was only way I was making it, with shared housing, no car/bussing it, no pet, and I might have $100 left. In Portland, OR
DarthFutuza
Depends on the State, $18 can be incredibly doable if cost of living is low enough, but in many states that's pittance.
afatrollofmyown
$18 is a living wage but not a thriving one.
Jules6486
I'm in Denver, CO and shit is fucking expensive out here, plus medical bills for 2 expensive surgeries
orbitn
Have you tried to go without your starbucks, avocado toast, insulin, heat in winter, or treatment for that suspicious lump?
Jules6486
Hahahaha, cries in American
Bmxtucker
$10/hr? Minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.30/hr
ClumsyBagOfSaltWater
In my state it is $10.08/hr for tipped employees.
blacksheep214
In Sothern California it is $14.00 - $16.00 depending on the city.
Renuvian
Yeah, and what benefits? Most are considered part-time employees. This comic blows.
JunkyardJimmy
This needs more upvotes
awarre1
$2.13 federal ,some states have a higher minimum wage but Tipped employees still get much less
bigkingdingaling
And if you don't make enough tips to hit the min wage, they have to be paid extra. They do fine
dontrike
I'm sure if it's good enough then you will be fine going to work there. You'll be fine after all.
MathiasTolerain
Then go get a restaurant job if they’re so great. Also go back go Parler you stinky deplorable.
Bmxtucker
So me going out to eat, paying for food and service already should also pay your employees’ wage? Fuck off.
bigkingdingaling
The business has to make up the difference if the tips don't equal out to minimum wage. Not the customer.
Bmxtucker
And if tips do equal out to it, the. I’ve just pai YOUR employees wage. I say again fuck off with your commie bullshit.
bigkingdingaling
How does stating a fact make you so angry? You're going to give yourself a stroke man. Relax.
dyxj
*$2.13
Bmxtucker
Correct,
thevortexmaster
Maybe in the USA
colourofair
This post is depicting the USA.
thevortexmaster
I didn't see it say the USA in the post but stimulus shoulda clued me in
wintercoat
*gasp* It's almost like the conversation is about conditions in the United States! Crazy, right?!
thevortexmaster
They didn't specify
Mentok
That's the free market at work motherfucker
max22imus
No it’s not. The government provided entitlement is an obstruction to the free market artificially inflating the price of labor.
BaklavaWearingBalaclavaWhilePlayingBalalaikaOnBlackLava
That's the thing about the free market, is that failure is necessary for it to evolve. As times change, so do industries.
HeraldOfTheBadger
Is it just me or did we get weirdly good at the free market during this pandemic? *Buys 500 dogecoin to put next to the gme*
photosbyian1
If I remember correctly average pay went way up after the black death in Europe because the work force shrank so much
photosbyian1
This is similar but not to the same extent
pastelteapot
a government stimulus is the exact opposite of the free market.
Adamarket
But in a given situation is necessary. (You're still right, whether that stimulus is to people or a subsidy to the oil industry).
DreamingOfDistantShores
People deciding sub-livable payment isn't a position worth pursuing is, though. Costco pays better than that with fewer nasty customers.
TheGrayBox
Eh, unemployment and stimulus checks are definitely not the free market.
Mentok
I was expecting this when I wrote the comment. You're right. Neither is refusing to budge on what you're offering if there are no takers.
TheGrayBox
Don’t worry, you got 2000 upvotes for making a blatantly incorrect statement. Nothing matters on the internet.
Mentok
Especially not upvotes. I'm also not that wrong, there's more demand for jobs than people willing to work, so they need to offer more.
TheGrayBox
And you think small businesses with significantly reduced revenue can just...do that?
TheGrayBox
And when supply and demand is manipulated by government subsidies, that is literally the opposite of a free market.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Dear Outback Guests, Due to the owners being greedy bastards & not paying a living wage or offering any benefits, no one will work here.
idontknowyoufromadam
In a truly free market, wouldn't wages have to rise to a point where the economy reached equilibrium/full employment?
Chouilste
No it’s not because then there wouldn’t be a stimulus
HandoB4Javert
TheGrayBox
This is incredibly reductive. We can criticize policy without completely disregarding the difficulties of owning a small business.
gamer2k4
Can you? Most people don't seem to be able to do that at all.
AnonKneeMoose
Only if that small business shows absolute lack of knowledge of management. Hospitality/Restaurants market their value on dining out 1/2
AnonKneeMoose
How can the business expect consistent quality of staff when they don’t feel valued or have high turnover rates 2/3
AnonKneeMoose
Yes Tips are a thing in the USA but when there’s capacity limits or lockdowns staff need to accomodate for this as employers 3/3
dyxj
True, BUT in that case, we should discuss how to specifically target support to small businesses, rather than keeping the MW low, which >
dyxj
is itself a business subsidy if your employees end up needing govt assistance anyway. It helps the likes of WalMart/McDs more than small B.
TheGrayBox
Small business owners don’t control the minimum wage, and the wages that they can pay are directly proportional to the amount of staff they
TremendousDude5
they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps now that the tables have turned (at least for a while)
stolenmemepolice1
You’d think that business fucking their employees in the ass for so long would be able to take it for a few months.
Nbdycares
Literally the opposite of the free market, because the govt. gave everyone cash.
dyxj
Not the "cash" thing, the supply-demand aspect.
TheGrayBox
Hey, stop with that. Business bad employee good.
j6er39rte94
Boohoo. Every business deals with risk. Or, whines about it while they don’t deal with it.
waltjrimmer
"If YoU jUsT tAkE aWaY gOvErNmEnT rEgUlAtIoN tHe FrEe MaRkEt WiLl SoLvE tHe EcOnOmY." If you don't force a company to pay its workers, it>
waltjrimmer
>will hire slaves. We've seen this time and again in history. Hell, we recently had someone arrested for doing exactly that. Fuck those>
waltjrimmer
>Ayn Rand worshipping assholes.
CrypticalEnvelopement
I like how they say "due to stimulus and tax refunds" but not "because people don't want to risk their lives in a once-in-a-century pandemic
travisflagg61411
Once in a century is pretty optimistic. With crispr technology out there, it won't be long before we have another one of these but worse
Ruhig
It's pretty clear we don't need to engineer it.
Varimothras
Would you mind elaborating for me?
travisflagg61411
Crispr is an extremely accurate genetic editing technique that uses a protein to clip out and clip in DNA sequences. This opens the door /1
travisflagg61411
For Gene editing on a scale that has never been considered outside of science fiction. This allows for miracles and catastrophes in equal /2
JackieTreehornProductions
once a century when nobody traveled more than 20 miles from home in a year typically. Hello global economy. Soup's on!
ArgonSpark
If they're scared of covid they should get vaccinated.
QuickGoogleSearch
The vaccine isn't available to everyone yet, you dingle.
baloothead
Walmart pharmacy does not even require an appointment. Every Walmart pharmacy. Dingle.
CrypticalEnvelopement
ChainmailleAddict
I'm capitalist all the way, people who usually talk about the free market are trying to justify corporate socialism and it's annoying.
Xdeddc
So you own a means of production that produces a commodity?
ChainmailleAddict
Odd way to say I own stock but yeah
Xdeddc
No, owning stock isn't sufficient. Do you own the means of producing a commodity like owning a factory that produces something.
ChainmailleAddict
You're gatekeeping to try and prove a point that isn't there. What America has isn't what I define as functional capitalism.
ChainmailleAddict
(For the record I would've voted Bernie and now support Yang since their ideas are basically capitalize the wants, socialize the needs.)
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
When Capitalism matures enough, it will work. How long is that going to take though?
ChainmailleAddict
I flip the script. Capitalism is good in theory, but it needs to be an actual free market and money needs to be out of politics.
Gengh1sKhant
is good in theory if it wasn't for the Are people the problem? Are AI overlords needed?
ChainmailleAddict
American Capitalism is terrible and that's easily-proven by the situation in Texas and our healthcare system
mydadbeatmewithjumpercables
No system is perfect, capitalism cannot go unregulated or we end up where we are now. When it drives innovation its great, when it drives
commentsivehadafew
Step 1: Raise minimum wage and index each year; Step 2: Ban tipping; Step 3: Restaurant workers have the same minimum wage as everyone else.
hysteriacarrot
Minimum wages don't work with fiat currencies. If you look at the most egalitarian countries in the world, none of them have minimum wages.
hysteriacarrot
You know what they do have though? Worker protection laws and powerful labor unions.
xcelita
Yes, but some states tried banning tipping before and it was unenforceable. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/22/980047710/the-land-of-the-fee
UserSubHunterOfIndeterminateGender
It used to be indexed to inflation.
86yourhopes
Well to be honest I would still tip simply because people in the second industry deserve more than 10$ an hour for all the work they do
Erutanmi
My annual raise was half of inflation. Also, separately, my raise was less than my company provided health insurance premium increase.
Erutanmi
There’s a sign outside my building that says “Heroes work here!” I work at a hospital.
Datamaskarl
I really wish corporations didn't get away with expecting the customers to pay their employees wages. Now my Drs PoS asks for tips.
TheKeytarPlatypus
Can restaurant owners comment? 10 tipped staff at 15/hr with no tips and a 10 hour day is $1500 out of your operating expenses per day. 1/2
TheKeytarPlatypus
Could you in fact afford that, given that the same shift at tipped employee wages costs (lets say $5) is $500 per day? 2/3
TheKeytarPlatypus
Would you be able to increase the menu prices to compensate, and insist your diners not tip? Or would too many people balk at the prices?
slayston
I suppose I agree but I got to tell you I would never have worked as a server without tips, I would need to have been paid over 25 an hour.
pastelteapot
restaurant workers do have the same min wage. If their wage + tips doesn't = min wage the employer has to bridge the difference.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
LOL. Ask for this and you get fired. They assume you don't have enough $ to hire a lawyer if you're working for minimum wage.
DreamingOfDistantShores
It takes virtually no effort to find many, many examples of employers who simply don't and when challenged say "You want this job or not?"
DreamingOfDistantShores
The average person in a position to worry about minimum wage vs tips doesn't have the time or money to take someone to court over it either.
ifsck
It's a clear sign to start looking elsewhere. Even if they did file a suit, staying at that job is not gonna go well. Put in a complaint /1
ifsck
to the DoL, get everyone else you can to do the same, sue if able, and GTFO. /2
FrogBotherer
Well, don't ban tipping - ban the practise of allowing people to pay less than minimum wage on the assumption that tips make up the rest.
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Exactly, tipping is very common in countries where waiters don't rely on it. But only if the service was worth it and certainly not 20%.
HaniiPuppy
Would probably need a ban, even if just a short one, to cause an interrupt in the culture surrounding it.
drowscion
People aren’t taking restaurant jobs in states where they get 15 an hour, either. It’s not just the tip credit, it’s the job.
drowscion
15 an hour + tips for 3.5 to 4k a month. My point isn’t to argue that we shouldn’t reform tipping, but that there are other problems
drowscion
Like no matter how much you pay someone, serving the public can be so shitty there isn’t an appropriate price tag
whatpassesforclever
Well, I’m with you, but to clarify: The employer does have to make up the difference if a tipped employee makes less than minimum wage over1
NotSomoneElse68
So here it means the customer is responsible for 75% of their server's wages.
AnonKneeMoose
That’s what they meant but with less words
whatpassesforclever
The word “assumption” throws your assertion into question. Hence why I said “clarify”, rather than “correct”.
AnonKneeMoose
Username checks out, passes but still sharp as a brick
whatpassesforclever
2/ the course of a pay period. In all my time in restaurants, I’ve never even heard of it ever happening for two reasons. On slow nights
whatpassesforclever
3/ they’ll cut many/most servers so only 3-4 hrs get clocked in, rather than 8+; and minimum wage is so low that 1 mediocre Saturday “makes
whatpassesforclever
4/ up” for 3 shifts of making nothing. Now if min wage was 15/hr, this law would actually mean something, and crap restaurants would stop
thenaftermidnight
Tips are what makes working nights and weekends till 3/4am worth it.
Cytos
End Tipping.
khazaria
I don't think they can raise the minimum wage of those guys to 25+/hr anytime soon to compete with pandemic money...
bigkingdingaling
I want to ban tipping. 100%
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
I always tip 200%
chazahc
Agreed. 99% is ok, 101% is ok, but 100%, that’s right out!
DarthFutuza
Why not just ban paying an unlivable wage/assuming tips are part of wage, and allow optional tipping?
Baughr
An employee shouldn't have 95% of their earnings be relied on tips. But still getting tips for great service should still be acceptable.
bigkingdingaling
That's what it used to be. Tip % crept up because we all knew their wages sucked. Was 15 for ok and 20 for great now people expect 20 min
afatrollofmyown
A thriving wage should be standard, and a tip jar for "boy tat was better than I expected!"
feryooday
like you want it enforced by police? or you just think it shouldn’t be socially necessary/accepted
Exousa
Both. If you don't like the food or service at a place leave a review online and never come back.
feryooday
so you literally want the police to come if the table next to you tips the server. like you’ll call them?
bigkingdingaling
Check should come and I should pay that total and nothing more. I'm tired of tip jars too. Saw one at a self serve yogurt shop??
feryooday
Then don’t tip? but if it’s made literally “illegal” then it would need to be enforced. would you call the cops for the table next to you?
bigkingdingaling
Come on, it was a bit of an exaggeration. No one really thinks illegal like breaking the law?! And how can I not tip when wages rely on it.
feryooday
also where did you find something self-serve with covid o.o
bigkingdingaling
Saw it pre covid. Fuck man, time has flown by
MagiicHat
As someone who makes bank on tips, kindly fuck right off. NO business is stupid enough to pay me $45/hr, but drunk people happily do.
FlyingDorito
I see where you are coming from, but restaurant pay system is so fucked up. Personally, tip is only for under the table kind of business.
FlyingDorito
I feel it’s grossly disrespectful that the pay system forces workers to live on tips.
MagiicHat
Force? I CHOOSE to live on tips because they PAY WELL.
FlyingDorito
You may feel this way as you are conditioned this way, but in some countries, tipping is shown as disrespect as It is only for strippers.
FlyingDorito
Not everyone is in your position.
NotVeryCashMoneyOfYou
Agreed
B3N15
Tipping's fine, provided it's on top of a fair wage.
willisrock
Bar/Restaurant owner here. I don't disagree with you, I just think it sounds almost impossible.
captainfakeypants
I endorse this product and/or service.
andrathor
Would quit immediately on a tip ban service needs 20+/hr.
Sevulturus
Minimum wage is $15 where I live. Most people still tip.
Evi1Gav
Don't ban tipping, ban restaurants claiming that we part of the wages. It's meant to be a bonus, not normal pay.
afatrollofmyown
This, several states give you min wage and then tipping on top. Oregon, Wash, Cali all do it.
jscuster
It’s still weird to me that in some states servers get $2.13 an hour plus tips. And in other states they get $13.50 plus tips.
HannibalHoseth
Yeah no, they deserve to be tipped on top of making same minimum wage. They’re literally therapists for everyone and get treated like shit
RibbonDye
TIpping shouldn't be banned, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse to pay people less.
ClumsyBagOfSaltWater
I only have a living wage job because of tipping....No way my employer would pay me what I earn.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Then your employer doesn't deserve to be in business.
ClumsyBagOfSaltWater
In Australia the same job doesn't make tips,the employer collects extra fees,about usual tip amount.The workers make about .5 of what I make
leftfoottwitchin
I ran restaurants for years. I know servers that want their tips and don't consider whatever pay they get in their budget.
PandaDander
I know it's anecdotal but all the waitstaff I know say they make a lot more through tips than they would at minimum wage.
afatrollofmyown
I left being a chef to be a server and barista because of tips. On a good night, I'd average $25/hour with tips, and $12/hour min wage.
Bmxtucker
Step 1 amendment 1: raise minimum wage to $16/hr and index each year
ScienceIsNotALiberalConspiracy
We don't have to raise the minimum wage if Welfare paid more.
Bmxtucker
?
Lostcause103
I think he may be saying wages wouldn't need to be raised if there was a better safety net. A similar argument is we don't need to raise
Lostcause103
Minimum wage if we had a universal basic income, because that universal basic income would protect people from exploitation and the wages
TheNewYellowZealot
Eh. Banning tipping is extreme. However, tipping as a form of subsidizing the payment of employees should definitely be banned
lwoshea
Don't ban tipping. Just make it unnecessary.
Dalael
I want them to have living wages and I want to tip. No bans on tipping.
afatrollofmyown
Tipping should be a nice gesture, not making up wages because te industry is so cheap.
Dalael
150% in agreement
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
California doesn’t have a tipping wage; min wage is the same across all job types. I still tip. Think it’s a little weird though.
feryooday
I wouldn’t think tipping would need a BAN. people just won’t likely tip because they know the workers are getting fair wages right?
B99Reactions
Nope, people pay tip in my country because they feel culturally forced even if they make a living wage and even if they give bad service
KillingTlme
It needs a ban to prevent the restaurants from assuming it as wages when hiring.
ThomasThundersword
nope. just change the tax and wage law rules that allow employers to assume it as income and give them the minimum wage exception.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
You get that by just banning the restaurant from factoring the tips into the wages. No need to ban tipping entirely.
feryooday
but if there’s universal minimum wage why would they promise that? they can just hire at $15 and people will be willing to work?
feryooday
‘universal’ aka what we’re debating about in the US. not universal as in worldwide. obviously
beziot
As a french dude, mmh no ? Don't ban it, it's added to the salary. Come have a look at european countries maybe ?
Kingoftheblind
Exactly, it’s not like minimum wage is enough for a nice life or retirement, I mean it is called minimum wage.
ScorneontheCob
Agreed, in countries like Australia people only tip if they’re foreign or super mega duper impressed by the service
GeorgieCostanza
As an Australian I'm not allowed to accept tips
wurth
"Waiter performed heimlich when I was choking on a whole rib bone. Here's 5 quid"
Toruko
Hell in some places its even considered rude.
thepronouncer
Not sure if it still is, but Germans considered it rude unless you were a foreigner before the wall fell.
ScorneontheCob
Yeah was at this fantastic restaurant in Majorca with a large party so we tried to give a nice tip to show how impressed we were & the owner
ScorneontheCob
came out and was pretty insulted, looked like he was prepared to fight someone until we talked to him. Flattered but tip still not accepted
Outforalark
I don't know. In most provinces in Canada servers make minimum wage and it's considered rude not to tip unless the service is horrible.
feryooday
what’s minimum wage there though?
Outforalark
Depends on the province, but I believe most are between $11 - 15/hour
CuntyMcWhoreBag
Yup. Went to Italy and they seemed confused whenever I left a tip.
crazyspelling
Tell them you don't want the 4 Euro bread basket though and see how they react...
CuntyMcWhoreBag
My wife turned down the after dinner lemon cello and the look of disgust on the hostess face was priceless.
Veraatje01
My dad often just added 50 euros on top (card or nah) to thank them for their service and everyone always graciously accepted it. It might 1
Veraatje01
Be weird in very touristy areas, as people tend to try to be frugal? I never experienced confusion.
DeviousVirtues
I was always told it was borderline insulting to tip in italy. Like you are saying their boss isnt paying right or something?
Chimichanga007
Not true. In tourist places most people tip
Birbsicle
Absolutely not true, while not expected of you, it's common as a thanks for outstanding service.
aintnothinbutahounddog28
I'm a waitress lifer here (American) and when I was in greece it was so so so hard not to leave large tips. The girl I went with was also
aintnothinbutahounddog28
a server/bartender. Being very nice to service staff and leaving huge tips is what we do. It hurts my soul not to. We left about 10-12%
aintnothinbutahounddog28
usually and knew that was probably way high, but it felt wrong to leave so little. Pretend the millions of restaurant workers will just
criablelurst
In the UK it's customary to leave 10-15% tip, but only in a sit down restaurant paying the bill. We wouldn't tip servers.
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
As someone living in the uk, tipping is not something expected. If you leave cash on the table you often don’t expect change but that’s it
TakeMeToFrontPageAndBackFiveTimesADay
Gonna clarify I was born here and live in the midlands, I know Londoners have weird things they do
aintnothinbutahounddog28
So in a sit down restaurant you don't pay through the servers? Who takes your payment? Where does the tip go off not to the server? Is it
aintnothinbutahounddog28
just added into the companies profits? I'm genuinely curious, your comment is confusing to me as an American server
criablelurst
Well you do, you just leave the cash/give a tip when you pay, and it goes straight to the restaurant. Some places might give them to servers
MrBadLettuce
The tips get pooled together and then distributed to the front of house and kitchen staff that worked the service
feryooday
Wait so you’re tipping the restaurant, not the server??
criablelurst
yes
feryooday
wait why though?
ShaunDreclin
What should be banned is paying under minimum wage and saying "but they'll make it in tips"
bigthoughtshappen
I Mean I tip regardless of their wage. I tip for their service and attentiveness and for the fact they’ll have to deal with assholes
CorydorasAfavorplease
Its not the tipping, its the employers employing based on tip wage.
whyexactly
People tipping too much is how the employers get away with underpaying the workers. End the stupid tips.
Markamanic
Welcome to Europe. Where tipping is a choice the consumer makes if the service is beyond expectation.
battlepants
Yea, I'd prefer tipping be reserved as a gift for going above and beyond, not expected so the worker can survive.
p3culiar15
In Japan, tipping is considered an insult. No one tip and everyone know service industry provide excellent service. Everyone is respectful
TheFlyingB
They also have a culture of overworking themselves.
OneNameHere
Tipping is only a thing to avoid taxes. It's pointless if workers are properly paid wages.
dandalion
In the USA tipped employees are allocated and pay taxes on tips, so if you dont tip they have to still pay taxes on 8% of the bill
OneNameHere
They only pay taxes on reported tips. So all cash tips don't necessarily get taxed unless they are reported.
dandalion
But if you don't report any tips they allocate you 8% unless you can prove you didn't make 8% of your sales.
dandalion
Or if you do not report over 8% of your sales
feryooday
I would like to inform you I pay taxes out the ass for tips
feryooday
though I’m not arguing against wages for sure.
OneNameHere
I understand that, tipping was originally a way to skimp out on taxes.
Jerseysmash
The problem with Step 2 is that skilled bartenders and servers can make upwards of $30/hr in tips, an hourly wage likely wont come close.
Ribaldrie
Yup! Long time server here, I wouldn't do this job for $15 an hour. It's absolutely not worth it. Not saying we shouldn't raise 1/
Ribaldrie
the minimum wage, just that the day they do away with tipping is the day I change careers.
aintnothinbutahounddog28
Yeah I keep saying Americans are in for a very rude awakening once the person in charge of their dining experience is making the minimum
aintnothinbutahounddog28
wage legally allowed and that's it. It is physically hard, stressful, demanding work. We've all had shitty, don't care at all, goof off
aintnothinbutahounddog28
servers before. The wrist service you get now is better than what we be the standard at min wage. I work SO HARD and truly want my tables
aintnothinbutahounddog28
to enjoy their experience. I have tons of regulars and make high tip %. You think I'd do all that if I could make the same standing at a
Daarst
I bartended in a smallish (20k people) college town. On weekends that was totally true, but counting working during the week when it was>>
Daarst
>> slow the average was closer to $12-$15/hr.
MisterSixer
I worked for tips for 15yrs, I'd have traded it at any second for a reliable wage & healthcare. Tipping is an unfair distribution of cost.
Daarst
Budgeting is fucking hard when you don't know how much you'll make. I did it based on a low average tips and prayed.
FishSausages
Gimme Medicare for All and let's keep the tips. I used to make $250/night
MarxAvenger
Yeah, profit sharing is the way to go, imo.
thevortexmaster
In Canada we have healthcare and you can't make below minimum plus tips. My mom was at $18 plus tips. She easily made around 400 a night>>>>
thevortexmaster
Plus wage and benefits some days
Nalianna
tipping... allows the restaurant to have lower prices than their competitors. Until everyone does it. Then no one can afford to undo it.
MisterSixer
You nailed it.
bigkingdingaling
Dc servers all fought the $15 min wage because they make upwards of $50/hr.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Minneapolis too.
PballQhead
Ditto NYC, it just keeps failing. Servers like their $350+ a night
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Sounds like $15 min wage is too low then.
Spoopytoad
I believe that still isn't a living wage many places in the us...
andrathor
Minimum wage isn't fair for the people that deal with customers in this way. Would only be fair with minimum +mandatory gratuity.
bigkingdingaling
Sure, there's a lot of schooling and expensive training required to pour a beer, open a bottle or mix a drink. $40hr min
ThrowAwayAcct0000
The job requires a human being to do it. If you gotta have a human being there, you need to pay enough for that human to survive.
cyclopsesnobody
Not willing to take into account a few, When the majority is suffering I get what you're saying, But my honest opinion is "oh well"
ScienceIsNotALiberalConspiracy
You want men with guns to stop me from willfully giving someone a $5 bill? Really??
cyclopsesnobody
...dude what? Where the hell did that come from
ScienceIsNotALiberalConspiracy
The parent comment saying the country needs to ban tips, but not realizing pigs (ACAB) are the ones who would enforce such a BS law.
MisterSixer
I think its sarcasm? I hope
jonathantoast
Tips aren't given out based on skill or service. Multiple studies have shown people tip the same no matter what kind of service they get.
otherJeffsarefalseJeffs
20% rounded up if your service was between 5-95. Sub 5 and I might drop to 10 or 15%. Above 95 and I’d consider more, but probably not.