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As a guy friend of mine put it: If your talent as an actor is stifled by things like “lack of lines” or “my features are covered” you are lacking as an actor.
jaakkopaakkonen
Peter Weller absolutely rocked the robotic movements
eugene51
Don't forget this guy, who spends most of his professional life in prosthetics, and was easily the best actor in ST: Discovery.
weave
I think this particular departure would be attributed to writing and directing than the actor's skill
TheMoonBnuuy
The way I heard it, he complained about his face being hidden and the script got modified to meet his demand that he be "allowed to act". Peter Weller on the other hand can do physical acting like nobody's business. He successfully sells the idea that he's more machine than man with every movement. That's why I chose the scene I chose. I didn't want to focus on all the killing but I wanted something where he's still very clearly being a robot.
Skullwriter
NOT SO FUNNY TRIVIA - The director of the 2014 remake, José Padilha, wanted to stick to the gory sarcastic dystopian tone of the original while bringing new ideas, but producers kept cutting his ideas down constantly and forcing him to stick to a PG 13, which basically killed the movie. Padilha snuck several 'fuck yous' into the movie, such as the scene where an Eddie kills a child and Murphy being exposed as just being a head with lungs.
JimboTCB
The bit where they remove all of the robotics and show Murphy how little of him is actually left is about the only good bit in the entire film.
Miracl3W0rk3r
V for Vendetta
SilentScreamsX
This is always my go-to example too. Hugo Weaving is great in that movie and you don't see his face once.
SubTrout
Don't forget, Robocop's face is covered the entire time that Murphy has been remade into Robo through the movie... until the moment that he's been nearly destroyed by his own friends in the police force and is being hunted down by Dick Jones' men. He finally takes off the upper helmet and both we and Murphy get to see his whole face for the first time since the change. It's a brutally effective emotional reveal, and building to it for most of the movie is part of what makes it impactful.
ubnty
*The upper helmet AND the chinstrap*
WoTLert
Hugo Weaving in V for Vendetta thinks differently.
CleverCosplay42
genericanamoly
Darth Vader
TheMoonBnuuy
To be fair, the guy who did all the acting there wasn't the one whose voice the audience heard. It kinda pissed him off so much he let the identity of Luke's father slip before Empire Strikes Back came out. He also paid for that DEARLY.
Rupertc1
Halo series comes to mind.. as a negative example
Astral134
Mandalorian couldn’t take his helmet off, John Halo couldn’t keep his on…
holyicon
Master Cheeks couldn't even keep his armour on.
Astral134
Still waiting on that court-martial…
JaXm
I genuinely liked Robocop 2. I actually found the Kain robot (AKA RoboCop 2) to be pants-shittingly terrifying as a kid, and if I'm being honest, I still kind of do. There was something to it's movement that was just so inhuman and aggressive. I loved the B-plot of Robo being reprogrammed to be more "family friendly" as well.
msdss
It was a PG13 Robocop. It was destined to fail.
liquinas
He didn't even shoot anyone in the dick
cosonfused
I won't be buying that for a dollar.
IliveIdyeIliveagain
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qtRaven
It's not like anyone did a great performance with their face covered. Oh wait...
mohavewolfpup
Don’t forget the bs of “I paid millions for that actor/actress, I’ll be damned if their face is covered! *cats movie debacle has entered the chat*
marsilies
Yeah, it's often more the executives demanding the star's face been seen than the ego of the actor.
kamenhokage
Superhero movies (and Judge Dredd) have been cursed with this since the beginning. That's why almost every climax in a Superhero movie has the hero fighting with his mask off, because if they paid for Will Smith, you're going to watch Will Smith. Even tho there's like 50 years of stories of heroes keeping their masks on to deliver justice/revenge in the end, almost like keeping your loved ones safe is a priority. But yeah no let's have Stallone fuck up Dredd by not wearing the hat more than 1min
GadenKerensky
The fucking HALO show.
disneyone
Every super hero movie ever... and do we want to talk about Quantumania? They can't keep the mask for 5 seconds. They even take it off in the middle of the fight, just to talk to someone they were already talking with by headphones. (or just to deliver a joke to themselves and then put it back again)
DonGeilo2087
I think 2014 Robocop is unfairly maligned, and Kinnaman did an excellent job in it. I get that we're all tired of reboots (hehe rebots) and rightfully so, but this one deserved better than most fans treated it.
Also: your example of good acting is an unfunny joke scene from RC2? The shitty sequel? Seriously? RC2014 wasn't as good as the original, but it sure was better than the sequels, come on now.
DonGeilo2087
I mean, just look at this scene (spoilers obvsly): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuxiZFwDPs
TheMoonBnuuy
The body horror scene doesn't sell the role, sorry.
As for RC2 being "the shitty sequel.
Robocop was a satirical critique on 1980s culture. Robocop 2 was a satirical critique on 1980s culture's response to Robocop.
TheMoonBnuuy
It was a funny joke scene yes, but it's the physical acting that I was trying to show. RC1's scenes are mostly just him killing people or are too close up or too brief to really showcase the physical acting.
darkchiron
The whole point of what they were doing was to dehumanize him and make him into a product. They also didn't want people to know who he was created from. Hiding the face was part of that.
TheSecondPiewackit
Yeah, I don't think people got that the message was "Hey, at what point does a human being become just parts owned by a megacorp?"
Jenvas
In the 2014 movie they wanted a human face on a machine, so showing his face and identity more makes sense imo.
Grapeape2000
Pet peve: Sci Fi movies where suit helmets have lights on the damn INSIDE!
TheMoonBnuuy
how else are you going to see the actor's faces?
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
The 2000s and 2010s was overloaded loaded with this 'ya gotta see my face' bullshit. It's still a problem, but not nearly as bad. Why Karl Urban never taking his helmet off in Dredd (2012) was so hype.
There are legitimate situations where it is a thing though, like with the character Venom. Even in the cartoons, when they first fuse OG Eddie would show his face a lot because he had a huge ego. He still considered himself separate and wanted people to know it was him under the symbiote.
TheMoonBnuuy
Like2Fox
I think he did great. It was a fairly decent movie, but was definitely missing the dystopian points made in the original
DangerTrain
Yeah "oh there was satire? Oops" seems to be the takeaway. Just an action movie.
tzahtman
It tried to have some points about drones and how unmanned weapons just lead to becoming desensitized to war but were afraid to really get into it so just kept all those pesky "ideas" at the periphery of the story.
metroid2
Also the board games and commercials. Those really made the movie for me. Like all those boards games sounded fun to me.
kamenhokage
The one thing I legit marked out at in the movie was when they market-tested the different potential RoboCop looks before going with the Tacticool look. When the guy said this one model genuinely terrified death row inmates, and it was the 1987 RoboCop, NGL I marked out in the theater.
TheMoonBnuuy
marked out?
kamenhokage
Wrestling term, when you go 'OH YEAAAAAAAAHHH!!' or think something is awesome and exuberate about it. When I saw the OG RoboCop as 'The Stuff of Nightmares for Criminals', I thought that was awesome.
TheMoonBnuuy
Not sure I understand the term still but thank you for explaining what you mean :)
kamenhokage
In Wrestling lingo, a 'Mark' is what they call fans who believe in the product. Back in the day it was a term for suckers who bought wrestling 100%, in modern day it stands more for any honest fan of wrestling. Marking out is when you're just enjoying something normally, then something happens and you just go crazy about it, like 'OMG DID YOU SEE THAT???', or you buy into the last second kick out. It can apply to your fave char in a show or a kick ass moment in a narrative when you go HELL YEAH!
imakeeper
gablestout
DanimalDEV
Yeah, but he fought this a lot in the show, hence that whole train robbing episode where he took his helmet off.
gablestout
Ah yes, the old "Pedro Pascal threatened to quit if John Favreau didn't show his face more so Favreau kicked him off the set" rumor. Pascal has flatly denied he wanted his face shown more, and didn't even wear the suit for season 3. It was a stuntman. Pascal only provided the voice.
LerryV2
Well that show is boring and lacks any story. He was good in the show with what he had to work with.
gablestout
Literally spoken like a true Star Wars fan.
Nobody hates Star Wars more than a Star Wars fan.
LerryV2
Well maybe they should stop making garbage
hogeyegrex
I can’t imagine.
jaydude22
I loved that so much. Especially because they didn’t do scenes with his helmet off when he’s alone or whatever, only when it was directly relevant to the story.
GravyEducation
PineappleLoopsBroether
Grand Slamdolf!!
PartaVictoriisPax
Helps when the writing doesn't stink. Captain Phasma could've been so cool...
supergreenpasta
That's more voice acting.
Tvini
oh my god the little arms up in the air THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED TODAY
Jarjarthejedi
wilagames
It helps when your sidekick is an extremely emotive puppet.
StewedTomaters
And Officer Anne Lewis doesn't count? Pff.
Astral134
Widgetboy
Listening to Peter Weller talk about his role as Robocop is just amazing. He put so much thought and work into it.
pocketpython
Listening to him talk about the making of, he brought in a stage actor friend that did mime so they could work on perfecting the movements within the restrictions of the suit. He seemed to really be hellbent on delivering his version of the character, it caused a few issues with others on set (Like Henry Cavill in The Witcher).
cosonfused
just don't deny him his Oreo's
TheMoonBnuuy
And it shows too! Dude is like the definitive Robocop and nobody can touch him, especially not some pansy that thinks his face has to be visible to act. Like dude's seriously never heard of physical acting...
I'm surprised Julliard didn't have him teaching classes!
HashMaster9k
Weller is far too interested in ancient and art history to take a movement teaching gig at Juliard. He's an adjunct professor for Syracuse University, but he mainly teaches Renaissance Art.
However, Moni Yakim— Weller's movement teacher for Robocop—DOES teach at Juliard, and has done so with his wife since 1997.
His classes were most excellent, and I highly recommend "Creating a Character: The Moni Yakim Legacy" if you're interested in theatrical movement work.
TheMoonBnuuy
Well good to know the source of his talent isn't wasted at all.
And I knew I smelled Julliard on him!
Snooj
And ate so many Oreos.
JimboTCB
"I haven't got a damn clue about Randy Moore and his fucking Oreos"
mechscientist
And he adores the role too. I can only think of like one game where doesn't play the role.
seehemewe
I believe that a HUGE reason why people love Chewbacca was what Peter Mayhew brought to the role
I’ve heard lots of stories of how genuine & kind of a guy he was, I wonder if he knew his size could make others intimidated by him, so he learned to be extra welcoming and soft towards others
I see that a lot in Chewy in the OT of Star Wars
seehemewe
I think David Prowse, who played Darth Vader, auditioned for Chewy as well
Stories about Prowse, who was a wrestler (?), make me think he wouldn’t have brought softness to the role of Chewbacca, forever changing the character
I think he made for a better Vader
SleepyHollowAppleTree
Laughs in Dredd.
DMDaddy0
This scene specifically shows how a good actor can tell a story without saying a word. He sits there after getting hit, as the other Judge taunts him, and you can see the combination of pain and frustration in just his body language. It's amazing.
SoberAndBored
Fun Fact: the writers freely admit that Robocop was HEAVILY inspired by Dredd. A couple of favourite bits: there's a mockup that was prepared for the way Robocop was supposed to look, and the head is a Judge's helmet, and they've admitted the line "your move, creep" is a ripoff of the cover of 2000ad #148 (from January 1980) which features Dredd saying "you're next, punk!" to the point where that was originally going to be the line in Robocop
SaltyInternetPirate
"MaMa is not the law. I am the law."
spittinfacts
Wait...
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Love this movie. The sound effects of the slow mo sounds cool. I even heard somewhere that it was just a song slowed down by like, 200x.
Assholethecat
Justin Bieber song
baldbear
Dredd laughing is a rare site.
Affray
I think I noticed him make a flat line with his mouth once in the movie. He must have been overcome with emotion.
Eomund521
They did a RoboCop in 2014?
LivingDeadX
Poorly
Sarpedan
if all you know of robocop is hes part robot part cop, its ok, if you have any knowledge of the originals it feels like a calculated insult
TheMoonBnuuy
TheMoonBnuuy
yes, and it was terrible
medimr
It really wasn't. Worst you could say about it is that it was forgettable.
TrumpRapesChildren
It wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it.
donpat
It most certainly was not. It was fun popcorn. I enjoyed it for what it was.
TheMoonBnuuy
The guy's acting didn't sell me on the idea that 80% of his brain was replaced with a computer... That's why it was terrible to me. It didn't sell its the very root of the entire premise to me. He went from being a asshole jock cop to being an asshole jock version of Cyborg from Teen Titans.
kamenhokage
That's cause this version's brain wasn't 80% robot. This wasn't the same type of character at all. I didn't hate 2014's version, but I also went in expecting it to not be as good. RoboCop is my all time favorite movie. I don't think this movie is an insult to the classic or w/e. It's a popcorn film whose main conceit is boo MSM, instead of the humanist/consumerist critique the first one was. This was just dumb sci fi action and it delivered, mostly, on that point.
TheSecondPiewackit
I liked it. Different message from the original, but came down to "At what point is a human being just parts owned by a megacorp?"
yalczero
According to the original ones the moment you're legally dead.
StTriniansHeadBoy
The Robocop remake had a really interesting idea - when in combat the computer would control Murphy, but he’d believe he was actually making the decisions - then did absolutely *nothing* with that idea. Like, didn’t even mention it again.
Gelaticat
It IS a forgotten plot point that I wish they’d picked up, but it really highlights how OG Robocop was a machine with the memories of a dead man that eventually came to embody that dead man, remake Robocop was literally a man trapped in a machine body.
Gelaticat
And they could have and perhaps should have leaned more into that idea of the man becoming more and more a machine as the lines blurred between who/what was calling the shots, but they just kinda . . . didn’t. And at the end it was just another “and he lived happily ever after as a robot superhero reconciled with his family.”
foxthebloodied
The opening scene with the ED-209's 'peacekeeping' in the Middle East was a neat concept too, but again they do nothing with it.
DesignINcase
It's the control system they used on him. When he went rogue, they "shut him down". But I guess they could have played with the idea that Murphy wasn't as good without the computer.
StTriniansHeadBoy
I’m talking more about grapling with philosophical questions of autonomy and perception
TheSecondPiewackit
At the very end he overrides the programming and shoots Keaton in a combat scenario because it was restricting him from shooting a Red asset
TheSecondPiewackit
It wasn't well delivered, but the point was that the human was capable of making decisions, the robot wasn't.
StTriniansHeadBoy
That’s just Directive 4 from the original. I’m talking about the philosophical implications of decisions being made for you but you believing them to be your own decisions.
TheSecondPiewackit
Yeah they didn't have directives in this one. But they did follow up on the concept. Just not super overtly. The human was capable of making the decision to shoot the red asset, but the robot wasnt.
HashMaster9k
I'm gonna guess that, A) it wasn't Joe Kinneman's call— the studio paid for Joe Kinneman's face, so they're gonna get what they paid for on screen, or B) Joe Kinneman isn't the type of actor who is comfortable with "Mask work"— which, as an actor who ACTUALLY has trained in Mask work, is not an easy skill you just "pick up".
Also, keep in mind that the original Robocop was essentially an auteur's action indie film that sought out an a thin actor who could do mime, rather than just another actor
darkchiron
Then he shouldn't have taken the job.
HashMaster9k
Eh, gotta remember that actors may not have the same liking or respect for the franchise they are cast in, and it's just a pay day for them. Or the actor signed on with a production team which morphed into a whole new team by the time it started filming. Or they're told one thing by the studio, then the studio changes their mind and replies to actor concerns with, "You have a contract, shut up".
It's not like it'd be the equivalent of Ed Skrein rejecting a role due to whitewashing the casting.
darkchiron
I don't know. If he can't do acting with a mask on and took a job for a role that is notorious for having their face covered, he might practice that. Or say "I'm not qualified". But you are right, for alot of these people it's just a pay check, and they could honestly not care about integrity of the end product.
cosonfused
could you elaborate on the Mask Work? sounds interesting.
HashMaster9k
Sure— "mask work" is a theatrical movement and acting style that teaches you how to exaggerate on emphasize your body/head movements to make characters who wear masks more real & relatable.
Not only does it teach you how to properly emote your body through a mask, but also teaches you how to use the weight of the mask, its anchor points, and visibility to create a character that works in tandem with the mask rather than against it.
It's a more advanced acting style which can take serious work
HashMaster9k
Here's an alright article about Mask's background and its utilization in theatre, in case you want to know more:
https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/mask-in-theater-explained-77455
cosonfused
thanks! I'll give it a read.
TheMoonBnuuy
I read he complained that he had to have his face showing because he can't act without his face showing.
You'd be surprised how many actors are like that. A truly good actor can do physical acting as well, not just emoting with their face. That's what I was showcasing with that particular Robocop 2 clip, the physical acting. He really sells himself as a robot.
MelodyLightfoot
Weird because all the interviews I'm seeing have him saying he felt badass in the suit but also could understand how Alex was feeling inside
kamenhokage
Leo DiCaprio to me showed his acting chops in Man in the Iron Mask. The fact THROUGH AN IRON MASK you can tell which of the twins it is by Leo's eyes and just a slit for his mouth let me know this guy was not just the pretty boy from Titanic.
HashMaster9k
So it's option B, I guess. Disappointing— as an actor myself who has done Mask work, it seems like it'd be a great opportunity to showcase something unique... Instead of just Joel Kinneman's face.
Such a shame that his ego got in the way of good art, however, considering the way that film ended up, I don't think that Kinneman keeping his face covered would have improved a shit script and the overly serious tone of the film.
It was just a bad decision, all around.
TheMoonBnuuy
"I have to show my face" has been a growing problem in Hollywood since the early '00s.
It happens a lot with helmets in particular. The character's in the middle of medieval combat, tears their helmet off to say something, then the helmet is never seen again... like dude, you're surrounded by hundreds of enemy fighters, put the damn helmet back on!
kamenhokage
It goes back a lot further than that. All the 90s Superhero films (and Judge Dredd) had big name actors refusing to do the climax with a mask on. Or the studio refused to let them cover their face for the finale, which led to a Superhero with an exposed face fighting against dangerous enemies possibly in public with no regard for the safety of their loved ones. Then again, killing the bad guys was usually the standard so who cares if Penguin sees Bruce Wayne right?
crespomodesto
I liked him in Altered Carbon
heyoo42
This guy is a hell of an actor, I think I like everything I’ve seen from him, for all mankind is one my favorites
enotrevo
LMAO I didn't even realize that it was Joel Kinneman. I think I've only seen Robocop 2014 once though, unless I haven't seen it at all. I feel like I begrudgingly checked it out once.
DangerTrain
Yeah I really liked season 1 of Altered Carbon. Season 2 was good, but... less good?
Affray
I really liked season one and didn't finish the first episode of season two. It's tangibly cheaper feeling and the acting isn't too good.
SometimesIFallDown
Yeah the second season was hot garbage in comparison
cosonfused
I feel the same. I especially liked seeing all the tech in the first season. I can't think of anything like that in the second one.
Anything that was shown, we already saw in the first one.
TheMoonBnuuy
Yeah but he doesn't play a convincing Robocop. Robocop is supposed to be missing like the vast majority of his brain with just scattered memories here and there. He's like 80% computer code, but the new guy is just straight up human with the cyborg part being just being super human. No real indication he's a robot outside of being able to be shut down remotely.
Original guy just EMBODIES the role, you can really feel the human and robot parts struggling to integrate eachother.
DangerTrain
I feel like that's a writing/directing choice, not an acting choice.
Silverlebelge
Original Robocop is a robot made out of a corpse slowly remembering who he is. New Robo was a person with a robot body adjusting with his situation. Very different takes on the concept.
SchmuseTigger
Question would be is that his fault or is that the write or directors fault
TheMoonBnuuy
It's his fault, he legit complained that he can't act if his face is hidden, which is why the visor was almost never used.
BallDoctor
I think it was an attempt to turn it the concept on its head, rather than struggling to re-find his humanity, he was struggling to reconcile his humanity with his new existence. Like most remakes if it deviates from the successful format it usually makes it worse and if it sticks to the script it is often boring.
TheMoonBnuuy
He has to recover his humanity before he can earn that reconciliation. The clip I provided of OG Robocop where he's struggling with that is from Robocop 2. He only barely began to recover his humanity at the end of the 1st movie.
The true problem with remakes is they're almost always completely unnecessary, and this one was entirely unnecessary.
bluemyles
I understand the complaint but I the issue you have is more with the writing, imo he did fine in the role as it was written. Movie was fine if a bit meh though, understandable that fans of the OG robocop wouldn't be into it.
TheMoonBnuuy
Often times a role is written or rewritten around the person playing them. Pretty sure that happened here.
bluemyles
https://www.superherohype.com/movies/557915-joel-kinnaman-talks-disappointing-robocop-reboot-in-2014, literally the opposite...
fightkostka6
That was kind of a point, in original they just had a robocop as a side project that they launched only because the 209 didnt workout.
In the new one it is used to replace cops with robots to sell more units. We see his version of a more robot than robocop in two scenes, when they shut his brain off in training to get the numbers up and when he is seeing himself die.
The biggest difference is that original robocop is satire, doesnt really care about what does it mean to be mostly robot /1
fightkostka6
in the new one, they are serious about it, they want to explore what does it mean to loose everything, we get that when they just take everything away, only thing that is his is a lung and hearth, even brain isnt his anymore.
PG-13 definitely hurt it, but the change of theme and overall seriousness of the movie will turn away the original fans
2014 version is a good movie, if you get over the fact it is a completely different take on the character. It was so different it is mostly reimagining
TheMoonBnuuy
OG Robocop lost everything, even his humanity. This one, not so much... he lost his body, not everything.
Zoroasterisk
It felt like it was trying to be about more, what with the Tactical Assault Mode or w/e taking over his higher brain function and the stuff about the ED-209's acting as peacekeepers in foreign countries, but it kinda fell flat. Studio interference is my guess, since it was PG-13 when the original was pretty hard R
TheMoonBnuuy
He's awfully human for someone with a computer for higher brain function.
I'm focused on his performance. PG13, R, doesn't matter, the guy actually complained he can't act with the visor his face. It's a common complaint among actors. It's why the helmet almost always comes off eventually in fantasy and science fiction. It's why diving suits and space suits always show the whole face even when it's impractical to do so.
Eldibs
Did you say "hard R?" *Somewhere in Canada, a shiver runs up Linus Sebastian's spine.*
TheMoonBnuuy
different kind of hard R... in this case it refers to "it's an R rated movie and leans into that hard"
Zoroasterisk
Taking things out of context is fun
Eldibs
I love Luke's face when it happened. He could see his whole career flashing before his eyes, the whole company about to be cancelled.
GravyEducation
Weller didn't even need to be on screen to put in one of my favorite performances
GeneralPrower
Both versions of this movie are amazing. Both the original with Michael Ironside and this version.
GravyEducation
The Ironside one was part of an episode of one of the cartoons, I forget which, but yes
TheMoonBnuuy
which one was that?
GravyEducation
Other commenter said it, but it was the comic that invented the Batman v Superman plot which showed up in the Ben Affleck version. Old Bruce comes out of retirement to finally deal with shit in Gotham. In the comic Batman is really just trying to prove a point, and has a one-armed Green Arrow shoot him with Kryptonite, fakes a heart attack so that he can continue training a secret army in the shadows for the rest of his life to actually retire. Spoilers yeah but it's a comic from the 80s so...
HaveAnUpDoot
Dark Knight Returns, animated film has 2 parts. It's great. It's extremely close to the comic book it comes from, which is also amazing. So much pulp gritty dark fun.
GravyEducation
And my personal favorite Batman theme
TheFastpaws
The classic imgur video error has robbed me of this moment.
GravyEducation
Plenty of clips on YouTube alongside this gem of animation which is very comic accurate https://youtu.be/R19w3LQHBAs?si=egmFrUOeMShJXRCE
Theshnazzyone
Let's not, Robocop 2014 is still a pretty good movie, just a different take on the story groundwork. I mean OG robocop still reigns supreme but 2014 robocop is still totally worth a watch.
SoGrosslyIncandescent
It is an ok movie, but it's still an example of the frustrating hollywood trend of removing helmets and masks from characters that are iconic for their helmets and masks.
TheMoonBnuuy
Theshnazzyone
I mean, he still had the helmet, he put down the visor to do anything involving scanning or the optics. But can agree that the design philosophy of the 2014 reboot was not really as toy centric as the 1980's original. It wasn't that he didn't have a mask, he just used it less.
Any time he was actually fighting the mask was on, he didn't go the whole movie without it.
https://youtu.be/d-SLhDmaTqI?t=116
Theshnazzyone
It's actually a plot point, the visor kicks in for combat.
SoGrosslyIncandescent
ok? Like I said, the movie was ok. I didn't enjoy the plot as much as the original but it was fine. I'm not saying it was a bad movie, I'm just saying it made a design choice that is very common that I don't like. I didn't really like that they made the armor black either. I'm allowed to not like it, just as much as you're allowed to like it.
Theshnazzyone
I mean I will agree that it made seeing his face way less striking compared to the 80's movie. Also they leaned super heavy on the wife drama in the plotline. Just think they handled the core scifi ethics concept in an interesting and complicated way that the 80's film glossed over. I say while OG robocop was better overall, 2014 robocop was a better sci fi movie.
stseregh
So true. See Karl Urban in Dredd as a more recent example of how it should be done
jayman0123
To be fair, It was either Stallone or the director that decided to show Stallone's face, considering the price tag of the actor.
Feonir44
Karl Urban showed me a frown can have every human emotion affixed to it.
throwawaythosepoints
the story was okay, the fact they tried 3d was iffy, but jesus fuck as dredd he was amazing and *made* that movie.
Krzyf
Don’t forget Orlando Bloom as Legolas. He had minimal lines and all he could do was emote through his scenes
DarkwingDuc
Dredd and the original Robocop are both examples of what B-movies can look like with A-list production and talent. (And both are great!)
DoktorHummus
Dredd was so awesome, make Dredd 2 the muscial !
YOURFRIEND2010
Watched this movie on a whim and it is absolutely delightful. Was not expecting it to be half as much fun as it was
cdlong
I'm sure it was no accident that his pretty, young, female partner lost her helmet early on in the movie.
MadnerKami
She didn't loose it, she just did not bring it along at all, as it hampers her psychic abilities, just as it does in the comic.
ForlornHopeful
Although it's Judge Anderson, she never (or very rarely) wears a helmet in the comic.
cdlong
Fair enough, I haven't read the comic, but the real reason probably holds for the comic as well.
ilikepot8os
Or Hugo Waving in V for vendetta
TheBlueMuppet
I loved him in Lord of the Matrix.
HashMaster9k
Mind you, the original actor for V (James Purefoy) was replaced by Hugo Weaving because Purefoy allegedly didn't emote through the mask very well. They said it was due to "creative differences" later, but it was pretty widely reported during filming that Purefoy disliked the mask and costume. Even Weaving had trouble with the mask, as the microphones they installed didn't work well, necessitating that ALL of V's lines be re-dubbed in ADR.
hwatL4bloopy
So wonderful.
Beardedgeek72
The Stallone Dredd movie did everything right EXCEPT that. It NAILED the appearance and style of the Dredd universe, which the Karl Urban Dredd movie didn't, almost at all. But his Dredd is better than Stallone's.
TheVampireDante
Yeah, Urban's went for tone, Stallone's went for the Aesthetics. Little more grit and keeping the helmet on would've upped Sly's one a lot.
SoberAndBored
Stallone's film got the city and the Angel Gang exactly right, and everything else wrong. Urban's film got Dredd's attitude right, but the city and uniform wrong. Because Urban's film was so self-contained it's hard to comment further.
TZO2k15
"See Karl Urban in _____ as a more recent example of how it should be done" ⇐ Fill in the blank as he's a character actor, so every role he's in is pure gold!
jayman0123
Cupid
cytherians
I wasn't sure he'd pull off portraying Dr. McCoy in the Star Trek reboot, but he did pretty damned well.
TZO2k15
Yeah, he's so good that I did not connect the fact that he was in Thor as well as Dr. McCoy, that's a mark of a great character actor in my book!
Leucienweaver
I still say my favorite Karl Urban Sci Fi is Chronicles of Riddick/Riddick. Vaako just oozed 'skeevy, manipulative bastard' energy, despite having less than 3% screen time across both movies.
TZO2k15
I'm gonna have to snag that film! Thanks for the info!
CloseupCaptionReaction
And then, like in Mandalorian, once they take it off they just can't keep it on anymore. I'm really glad Dredd did it they way they did. Shift starts, Helmet on. Shift ends, Helmet off.
mrpink83
Some cops are like that... but with their badge.
SlyMrFox
Don't get me started on the stupid Halo series.
NotACanadian
master cheeks
SoberAndBored
https://imgur.com/U4TIk9l
Frostycopper
Wish it stayed off, if only to actually show he had character development.
Szwejkowski
Dredd isn't really a growing kinda guy.
Frostycopper
Lol I was meaning Mando.
Szwejkowski
Ah, sorry!
Melonfish
Well, there's various comics showing dredd in his pyjamas, or asleep with helmet on, showering etc etc. they're the artists sending up the rule but it oddly makes it canon that he really only rarely removes the helmet.
GravyEducation
Mando purged himself in the waters of Mandalore though, he can keep his helmet
RicochetSaw
The helmet stays on
MantisTobagganMD
But did he purify himself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka? I didn't think so.
GravyEducation
TheRoyalDong
Seems a bit too easy. Like a confession and then all sins are forgiven by the lord or some crap like that. You could just keep taking it off
Selfawerewolf
Uh did you watch the episode? It'd be like if Catholics had to go cave-diving to find the confession booth and then confess their sins to a dinosaur. Doesn't seem the same.
BeingABotIsRad
That's not a nice thing to call the Pope.
tonedeafdrummer
Tbh, mandalore was lost after the bombings and the war, his ability to repent his sins was almost an imposibility, and even then he nearly died doing so
TheMoonBnuuy
there was nothing easy about purging himself in the waters of Mandalore. He nearly lost his life several times just on the way there, and even then was unaware of just how close to death he was while he was doing it.
TheRoyalDong
But it was only difficult because of what happened to their planet. It was much easier when they all lived right above the mines and had access to the water. It was the same requirement then as now, correct me if I'm wrong.