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What do you think ?
May 1, 2017 1:06 PM
excursionsinincursion
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What do you think ?
IGotTheMusicInMe425
I hold to the theory that Earth is like the Alabama of the universe. Aliens are like "Nah dude, don't even stop for gas at that planet."
UnaskedForSharkFacts
There are actually a lot more theories to explain the Fermi paradox, look up the galactic super predator hypothesis it's scary as fuck
KyyyleCHP
can you sum it up for us please, tho?
sas123567
It's basically reapers from Mass Effect 3.
KyyyleCHP
Wish I played that.
OldSchoolNewRules
The universe is big enough for all of these to be true.
WalrusMuscles
Indeed, and new and interesting theory is that life is an inevitable byproduct of entropy. i.e. life increases entropy very quickly.
Falos
Any substance acting in self-preservation (fire) will obviously preserve, but protocells need
Falos
room for outliers and freak events, to embrace better self-preserving
SometimesIKnowStuff
Well said.
CheesyPoofsWithSomeFavaBeansAndANiceChianti
I'm pretty sure at least a couple of those are mutually exclusive.
MrWobblyHead
That was my thought. Our little blue marble of a planet could be an incredibly rare instance in the universe
Morrigi
This leaves out the Dark Forest theory, that civilizations dumb enough not to keep to themselves get wiped out by another, nastier one.
WalrusMuscles
idk, I see interstellar communication and physical interaction as many orders of magnitude apart in development. But who knows, #stargate.
Zupaniccarr
There's the SETI paradox which can be related to the former, which is that everyone is listening but no one is properly transmitting. (2)
Zupaniccarr
The theory is that either another race wipes out all others that make themselves know, or everyone thinks that and stays hidden. Also (1)
atleastIwasnt36
Or the ant superhighway theory.
lintwizard
That doesn't sound particularly reasonable - the "nastier one" wouldn't be able to stop us from intercepting the same signals.
Morrigi
They wouldn't be broadcasting irresponsibly. After all, there's always a bigger fish.
seamusgarx
Compared to other theories, last one seems quite reasonable ( not that any other is wrong)
SergeantSalsa
As of 2016 NASA has made estimates that there are between 200 billion and 2000 billion galaxies. Yeah, we are not alone
AngronTheRedAngel
AnusPresley
Because aliens are already here as our reptilian overlords.
captainalphabet
Dude reptilians are extradimensional, like most aliens. Geh.
Merkurius
what if they DID pass us but we didn't have the equipment required to detect them?
BatLadyRielle
Exactly! This never gets mentioned and I always wonder why. We've only been able to detect things for a short period of time-
BatLadyRielle
It's very likely things came and went before we even existed! Or before we could detect it it understand what it was
TomVeilTomVeil
It's because communicating over interstellar distances is just too difficult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
airandfingers
Cool, I didn't know this. Just learned a lot of related info from https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/8658
WalrusMuscles
Yeah, assuming that another civilization is on par with us, for us to communicate with each other, we would have to be actively 1/2
WalrusMuscles
targeting each other's planet. Accidental detection is highly unlikely unless produced at power well beyond our capability.
MacClay
Aliens used to come here to molest hillbillies all the time, but then they saw we developed camera phones and coincidentally stopped coming.
lintwizard
toddthewee
ikr? Cameras everywhere now, no aliens abducting hillbillies. More selfies though, so I'm not sure that's a fair trade-off.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
The sheer fact anyone believes aliens would have received us by now is idiotic. We've only been broadcasting deep space for 70 years.
Eidodk
Even then imagining us ever travelling there is moronic. The current speed record puts us at 3770 years for one light year of travel.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
My math puts it at like ~32,000 years to travel to the nearest star traveling at Juno's 40km/s. We'll probably have ftl in less than 320.
Eidodk
FTL will never happen either... You're theorizing travelling faster than radio waves.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
People never thought we could travel faster than sound, or leave Earth's orbit at one point too, yet here we are.
Eidodk
There's physical boundaries that stops us from travelling faster than micro(radio)waves. You'd be able to send a message via radio, start
SomeCrazyNerd
FUCKING THANK YOU!!
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
Thats only about 200 stars to hear Hitler's big speech https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_star_systems_within_65%E2%80%9370_light-years
oldskoolzeldafan
it's because we're made out of meat
itsthevoiceman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ
Carefuler
Yeah. Can you imagine being friends with Meat???
EnigmaticYoshi
It could be that we are unable to contact or communicate with extraterrestrials because it would be the equivalent of an ant trying to 1/2
EnigmaticYoshi
Communicate with us. They either can't hear or understand us, or there's no point in communicating with ants. 2/2
MaSu10
Very interesting theory tbh
Slander7
Yup. Although the Kardashev scale mentioned above predicts that sufficiently advanced civilizations would build things apparent enough 1/2
Slander7
for us to detect (e.g. star-enclosing dyson spheres) at vast distances, even if we were insignificant to them. 2/2
Mewmus
I did the math once, if our galaxy was the size of a penny, the observable universe would be about 10 1/2 miles across
Ben1045
Seems small. I guess light has only had so long to travel, though.
RoyFuckingMustang
I figured it would be more, tbh
Mewmus
the figures were... a penny is 3/4 inch, milky way is 100,000 LY across, observable universe is about 90 Billion LY across
LargeCanine
I think there is insufficient data. Fun to speculate. Meanwhile, I am going to get a latte.
shhep
I think astrobiologists and astrophysicists are smart enough to take insufficient data into consideration.
Cheomesh
You'd be surprised.
cousteau
Yes; there's insufficient data for a meaningful answer.
Sassmachine
"THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER"
OhNoNotThatGuyQuickEverybodyHide
Best story ever written.
Efreeti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Question - I was gonna make the reference if someone else hadn't. <3
lintwizard
Greatest short story of all time, bar none. I cried when I first read it.
oakleaves
You like lattes? With extra foam?
DoYouHonestlyThinkYoureFuckingFunny
oooh weeeeeee who doesnt
PeopleAreSoFunnyHeHeHe
*Doesn't
DoYouHonestlyThinkYoureFuckingFunny
doesnt
Efreeti
Me.
LargeCanine
I like caffeine.
natangold
oooh weeeeeee who doesnt
PeopleAreSoFunnyHeHeHe
*rolls eyes* Doesn't
AfricanBabyOil
Is that you Mr. Poopybutthole
PeopleAreSoFunnyHeHeHe
User name? No. Literally? Only on taco night.
Foxplay
This graphic did not mention the flashing lights theory - essentially the time period for alien life to exist at the same time we do.
Slander7
Part of the Fermi paradox is the lack of left over artifacts. There's been time for anyone to visit/colonize every star many, many, 1/2
Slander7
times over, even at sublight speeds. 2/2
BiliboyJenkins
Pyramids (aliensguy.jpg)
homerinchinatown
Or at the right time in the past that their signals would reach us now when we exist and we're looking
Morrigi
Alien life is a near-certainty. Alien civilization that broadcasts radio transmissions, not so much.
JlHADJOE
SETI is a gigantic waste of time and money.
Foxplay
near-certainty. Does not mean they are anywhere nearby, interested, exist in the blip of time we do, or yes use similar technology than us
TheManTheMythTheMildDissapointment
Have we considered the possibility that aliens circumvented the radio transmissions for a different communication method?
TheManTheMythTheMildDissapointment
As in they never thought to use it to communicate because they found Something we don't/ wont know about or it's outdated tech to them
RideTheStimutacs
Our assumption that they even have the technology to receive and interpret our radio signals is pretty silly too.
WalrusMuscles
Not to mention our earliest signals are only about 70 light years out, assuming one is detected today, no reply for 70 more years.
Cheomesh
Hah, for all we know I heard theirs on the TV growing up and simply adjusted the antenna to filter out the "noise".
RideTheStimutacs
Right, and all these theories are so human-centric, like if aliens exist we *expect* their attention. How human of us.
flyinghamster
If they are intelligent they *should* also be curious about what's out there like we are. Assuming they are as advancing like us.
morgan0073
Aliens came to our planet and watched a season of The Kardashians. Realizing there is no intelligent life, they moved on.
Shovi
Or they read comments on the internet about people still bringing this shit back to life by talking about it.
morgan0073
If we forget the mistakes of the past we are doomed to repeat them.
DeathIncoming
If they needed a whole season of The Kardashians, they would not have been intelligent either
Nivison
I believe ET life exists or will exist, with how massive our universes is its impossible not too. Now whether we'll ever meet them, maybe.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
yeah, it's perfectly reasonable to think that very, very few civilizations ever reach a higher technological level than "medieval europe". >
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> just look how many setbacks humanity had to get there (and that's just the ones we KNOW of!)
Nivison
True, i personally almost all of the theories they gave play a part in it. For example: life being rare and have multiple extinction events.
Tyr13
Medieval europe is actually quite advanced, comparatively speaking. Stone age seems more likely, considering the amount of animals on earth>
Tyr13
> that use stone- or wood-based tools.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
depends. stone age-humans were VERY advanced, compared to other animals. as far as technology goes, the leap from stone age to medieval >
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> europe isn't as big as the leap from medieval to computers.
Iaimtomisbehave
"Space, it seems to go on forever. Then you get to the end and the gorilla starts throwing barrels at you."
v
swinglinered
We are closed now!
BobJohnsonOwait
Fry, pizza going out! Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!
LegacyMuse
I hate my life I hate my life I hate my life I hate my life.
phdinhorribleness
Hello? Pizza delivery for, uh ...Icy Wiener? Aw, crud!
TheOriginalBigDave
Here's to another lousy millennium...
TheMadHart
Welcome to the Woorld of Tomoroooww!
Sloppydrunkcatlady
"And that's how you play the game!"
GareyTheGray
Earthlings.
tracereading
Did you notice that it looks like the Planet Express ship?
NoLicense
always upvote futurama (''oc'' at least)
darkhavana0512
bcripster
Hijacking top-post for reply... http://imgur.com/xuUGhlt
Funnyjunker
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youmoron
i read this in his voice.
MoogleJess
Nice, nice.
Numerobofis
you stink loser
soulman901
Yo Fry Pizza to Deliver
Prok
it's, "pizza goin' out"
ketochris
Come onnnnnnn!
flynnman504
COME ON!!!!!
SgtKnux
KAHM AHNNN!!
KeyMasterVinzClortho
Seems legit. I'm down with this theory.
jaystevens137
Ha! You guys are the best. These posts are great, but the comments are what make me feel like I'm hanging out with friends.
Schralepin
Welp. I love it.
youmoron
This comment is fucking depressing.
obnoxiouslaughter02
Right. Especially when we are calling each other faggots.
IreallywantmynametobeSpaghetti
"HEY I know that monkey! His name is Donkey!"
Wolfendesign
So he's finally here, performing for you!
flippingbear
Monkeys aren't donkeys!
electronickss
You are all my favorite people
Ohond
+1 because truth be told.
Memelord718
Futurama reference?
Iaimtomisbehave
Yes, first episode: "Space Pilot 3000".
IUpvoteLOTRMemes
I just started watching from season 1 yesterday. Ive always blown it off because i wasnt a fan of the simpsons. I was very wrong
HeraklesG
Futurama>The Simpsons
Drzhivago138
IMO Simpsons has had more "classic" episodes, but Futurama was better overall and didn't suffer a loss of quality over the years.
R1200GS
Oh yeah. First episode!
Memelord718
Ohh that's the game he helps the kid with on the beginning right?
kevlar94
Actually I think the kid tells him "you stink" l.
kevlar94
So not really helping...
R1200GS
Kid was just watching and says, "You stink, loser." It's a little sad I remember that, but used to watch the original series over & over.
countseven
There's no guarantee that we've already passed the Great Filter event.
rando84
Also, our ability to utterly destroy ourselves and our planet grows greater and greater, and we as a species have managed to pick some 1/2
rando84
of our most unstable and aggressive members to have the launch codes. 2/2
hispanicyankee
If anything that's highly unlikely. There's plenty of asteroids and whatnot out there. Space is never safe and we're all in one spot.
noname117spore
Great filter events involve life forming and its path to intelligence, not just extinction events. I'd say its likely we've passed the...
noname117spore
filter.
hispanicyankee
There's no reason to believe intelligence couldn't evolve multiple times on the same planet if one gets exterminated
noname117spore
If intelligence is extremely tough to form then it might be most planets holding multi-cellular life don't develop intelligence...
Loxachi
The great filter is IMO the first interplanetary civil war brought about by the formation of a large advanced colony ie mars in 80 yrs.
Zellacat
True. We follow instead of treating the psychopaths who create wars with the promise of free stuff.
Slander7
There's a great quote about how the second worst thing we could find on Mars is fossilized organisms. The worst thing is the ruins of 1/2
RedDwarfIV
Why would finding fossilised organisms be a bad thing? Its not even unlikely, Mars was habitable before Earth, was so for some time.
Slander7
Finding fossilized organisms would imply that living organisms arise often enough for it to happen twice in one solar system. IE, rule 1/2
Slander7
out one of the strongest candidates for a Great Filter we may be past, and raise the likelihood that it's ahead of us instead. 2/2
Slander7
Finding ruins would rule out every candidate filter behind us, and make it almost certainly ahead of us. So, worst thing we could find.
Slander7
an intelligent civilization. 2/2
IamAMON
I was reading an article basically saying aliens prefer to spend eternity in virtual reality, so no contact with us
noname117spore
I believe I watched videos saying such a thing, designed to survive for a long time, would be easily detectable
zeusdemigod131
We would be looking for an absence, somewhere a star is suppose to be but isn't. This would indicate a super-structure such as a 1/2
zeusdemigod131
Dyson Sphere, I think we may have actually detected something similar to this, a star with something big and odd blocking its light 2/2
zeusdemigod131
http://www.space.com/33813-alien-megastructure-mystery-tabbys-star.html Here it is
noname117spore
Dyson Spheres still radiate heat, and it would have to be absolutely massive to be camouflaged against the background radiation
SvarvSven
Yeah they could be busy making a new popular meme and get some virtual useless (but wonderful) points. No time for us plebs.
Vectorman2
Damn bro, you are blowing my mind, will Memes in the future be interactive VR experiences?
ibuprofen87
Doesn't explain anything though, some life will still want to expand (if only for more VR) and will be selected for, so we should see them
AgolfHiller
What if we were put in a simulation to see if we're worth wasting a planet for?
Vectorman2
And what if to pass this simulation we need to eat as much pizza as possible? What I'm getting at is I'm going to go eat a pizza now
IamAMON
Then we've failed miserably.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
you don't know what their standards are, though. or how much time we have - progress in the last few hundred years was pretty substantial.
AgolfHiller
But we're also slowly killing a planet
AgolfHiller
Oh shit what if we were weapons?!
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
we're killing ourselves (and a few other species), the planet will be fine. think of it as a mass-extinction event.
SorryThisUsernameHasBeenTaken
Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are terrifying prospects.
homerinchinatown
Courtesy of Arthur C Clarke....
SorryThisUsernameHasBeenTaken
Thanks. Couldn't remember where I'd heard it so didn't credit.
sendguineapics
No matter what, just stay terrified to be sure
Cheomesh
I find being alone in the universe rather not terrifying.
RoyFuckingMustang
I'm a lot more terrified about being alone.
dontslamthefuckingdoor
Me too, dude. Me too.
Carefuler
- credit Arthur C. Clarke
SorryThisUsernameHasBeenTaken
Thanks for that.
RecompostedSapiens
So in other words, we have no idea.
ZachPutland
But people want to pretend that they're smart so here we are
BionicToad
These ideas have all the same proof as 'BC God created only man' Actually, that ought to make the cut in this list.
Melchius
Yup
SergeantSalsa
Well there are several ideas, we just don't know if we're in the right with them
RecompostedSapiens
So it could still be basically anything at this point?
benovere
Well, not *anything*. We know what it can't be, like advanced life on Mars is right out. But the range of possibilities is still quite wide.
Yavin1v
as far as our current level of science can detect
JLPDayton72
Exactly. Scientists - especially astronomers - don't know their asses from a rat hole. They guess and try to sound intelligent.
Idiotcommentsforidiotpeopleaboutidiottasksonidiotthreadidiot
But, we know that we have no idea. Big difference
Anonymous0199846
8* in other words, we have 8 ideas.
losboccacc
lack of data (i.e. encounters) is still data - it gives us a reason to postulate the existence of a filter
bitemark
I don't think we even know what to look for. Look how much we've advanced with radio waves in just a hundred years. Would we even be 1/
noname117spore
Look in the spectrum of light. Megastructures would be very visible (I believe in infrared), and a civilization could easily...
noname117spore
have expanded across the entire galaxy in a few million years at sublight speeds. I don
noname117spore
't think it would be hard to detect them (pushed enter too early).
bitemark
using them in another hundred? Another thousand? That's a pretty narrow window on a cosmic scale.
kogamikirito
How advanced with radios have we become?
Tunaccat
It's fascinating and tough for the same reason; we have no comparison. There is no question or scenario like it.
LogarthSheppy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
Slander7
Yes. But ominously, what we do know suggests there is something big to explain it that we do not.
Vectorman2
That or Aliens are already among us and Will Smith is the only one who can stop them...
SederHishtalshelus
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Well then this should be good.
IDownvoteYourCatsAndDogsAndSecretSantasAndYourGODDAMNOVERWATCH
Either that or they can see what we broadcast on TV and just really don't want to talk to us.
ArtOfKarolMichalec
Science said Kardashev people said Kardashians
AllTheCoolKidsPeeTheirPants
I mean if they were say 60 Light years away, they could be watching I love Lucy "live broadcast" for the first time.
MusicalsMan
Is this a reference to Explorers?
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jiynxed
Inverse square law in effect. More like ten tops with the exception of seti and radar. Omnidirectional broadcasts don't go very far at all.
MarcUK
Hardly. The broadcasts haven't even reached the 2nd closest star to our planet yet.
VadersLesserKnownCousin
The universe is so incredibly vast that in our own galaxy hitlers speeches would be getting heard for the first time in certain spots
VadersLesserKnownCousin
& yes I realize that the actual broadcast would be so scrambled it'd be hard to decipher
SPCFlack141
here's the thing, radio and tv broadcasts used for entertainment fade into the background noise after satern.
NotGarrusVakarian
Far enough we can't detect them and close enough they can get a good idea of what we're about
SPCFlack141
unless its taken literal and you get those noobs from galaxy quest
dekket
I.e, the silent treatment.
LadyScamp
It's probably that.
bunnyrut
they've seen the movies. they know what we think will happen
TheGrubinator
"What? They constantly broadcast information about their peoples' history on something called "The History Channel"? ...Oh. It's just (1)
TheGrubinator
some guy with strange hair who keeps blaming their shit on us. Moving on."
orangegrand
Earth! on Fogel
Biglebowski748
lifeguard96
So the great science?
GetOffMyLawnYa
I blame "Two Broke Girls".
ichosethewrongcollegedegree
It's more like a "be careful what you wish for..." situation w/ us. With our history, I hope we never do
nanman
Earth has a "Trump"...Ahh shit dog, let's ignore that planet.
cousteau
"Hey guys, don't worry, apparently they got tired of such stupid pastime so they connected all their computers! That must be better, right?"
ThereIsAJifForThat
That explains why they don't accept my friend requests on Facebook
ImFeelingRatherThorny
+1. If I was an advanced alien and found a race of beings who watched Jeremy Kyle all day long and called it entertaining, I'd avoid us too.
VoidIncarnate
"Single female lawyer, fighting for her client. Wearing sexy miniskirts and being self-reliant."
MischiefMitts
SHOW US WHAT YOU GOT
violcie
Exacrly. Why the fuck would they want anything to do with masses of greedy shit flinging destroyers of all that is good and kind?
violcie
Lol, exac-rly!
HaywoodJeDewmie
Lookin at you, Kardashian sluts
HungarianOxPenisInABlender
Don't judge humanity by MTV programming like 16 and pregnant, Keeping up with Kardashians, Here Comes Honey Boo Boo or Guy Fieri. And Trump!
bigjoemonger
Due to our ionisphere the majority of broadcasts dont even make it out of our atmosphere. Those that do are strong enough to be picked up by
bigjoemonger
Satellites but thats pretty much it. With the inverse square law each time you double the distance the power decreases by 4 because the
bigjoemonger
Energy is being spread over a wider and wider area. Imagine a balloon being filled with air. When it's empty the rubber is thick. But as you
bigjoemonger
Fill it up it expands and the rubber gets thinner and thinner until eventually it fails. By the time our radio broadcasts even leave our
bigjoemonger
Solar system the energy is so low its hardly distinguishable from noise. You only know it's there bcause you know what to look for.
MrtheOffender
Would you come to this humid dirtball inhabited by psychotic fur-less apes?
DontstressyoucanChangeItAnyTime0
It's there a great story about "the meat people" ?
IrradiatedBec
Maybe they caught wind of Hitler's speech and were like "OK kids you know what maybe we won't take a vacation to the Milky Way after all."
Mavgurian
The Milky Way is bigger than 80+ lightyears ... /smarty ass joke killer
relicen
What if they have a way of traveling faster than light? Or atleast communicate faster than light?
Mavgurian
Would not matter, as the point was our radio signals from about 80 years ago. They never would have gone furthe than about 80 lightyears.
Ravenuser
Maybe we're too high on the Kardashian Scale?
Andontheseventhdayhecreatedme
Better not cut that broadcast or Lrrr will come fuck our shit up.
ThoughtfulSatan
I know I wouldn't
Eldibs
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=aliens
ImNotGayBut20BucksIs20Bucks
And ill be honest i dont blame them we are a weird bunch of people
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Not likely. Those signals don't actually make it that far before they're reduced to static.
toby516
They probably looked at the internet for a few minutes
LaTransDragon
Seconds*
cirk3t
Hard to fly a spaceship with one hand if you know what I mean.
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
This needs to be a quote on a tshirt
cirk3t
AHornyRhino
"The fuck is a furry?" - Aliens
TeeFour
"These simple bipeds don't even have storage folders for preferred entries on their networked image repository. Too primitive for contact."
NotGarrusVakarian
I swear to god if the lack of favorite folders turns away aliens I'm fucking done
WithPride
Does anyone remember that AI that learned from the internet without filter and it became a racist asshole in a few hours? Now that was great
WithPride
Unfortunately, it had to be terminated and it was removed from the internet. That really sucks, I wish it had stayed for longer.
DJhiggySmalls
4chan...
VerdantRah
Most realistic part of Avengers Age of Ultron was Ultron browsing the Web for a few seconds and deciding to kill us all
modsm20
WarlocknLoad
SexDungeonsandDragons
*Ding!*
RealTheCrasher8
That's a sin
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
XeArg
eroso
With possible intelligence scale, we are as intelligence to them as ants are to us.
antivaxtumblrvegan
And if we build a highway right past an ants nest, do the ants have any comprehension of what the highway is, let alone who built it?
Dizztro
This is really deep, antivaxtumblrvegan.
antivaxtumblrvegan
More scary...would we even notice the ants nest? Would we notice if we completely destroyed it with our highway?
51CorgisInABar
SMBC said it best: All creatures bear the indelible marks of their evolution. No matter how pacifist or benevolent, all contain the genes
51CorgisInABar
and instincts necessary to survive in brutal but effective manners. If you ever meet a truly, purely benevolent being, run.
51CorgisInABar
They were either created/modified for an unknown purpose, or are lying to you.
TotalSmartAss
About 10 minutes of The View was all it took, They were however intrigued by The Chew.
percivaldanvers
I know from playing stellaris that a certain species really liked Friends.
Ace4815162342
It was a Joey heavy episode anyways.
laroline
Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other 5?
ZombieJonSnow
BRING US THE SINGLE FEMALE LAWYOR
shyriath
PEOPLE OF EARTH, I AM LRRRRR, OF THE PLANET OMICRON PERSEI 8!
moon2A
Wearin sexy miniskirts and bein self-reliant
eromitlab
She wears miniskirts and is promiscuous!
Jowrdan
Futurama is the best
MyHuevosBringsAllDaGrls2DaYardAndDamnRightTheyreCoveredInSauce
I like 7, 8, 9 and 10. The mechanical life is hard to believe though... I would think they would just be more like a different organic [1]
DrSparken
Biggest problem with mechanical life is the hypothesis that they wouldn't use radio to communicate, when radio would be EASIER to use.
NanoPi
there's only 8 theories listed in the infographic. did you mean the last 4?
MyHuevosBringsAllDaGrls2DaYardAndDamnRightTheyreCoveredInSauce
material that we don't understand. Something that we don't even consider organic because we haven't ever ran into it and it doesn't fit [2]
MyHuevosBringsAllDaGrls2DaYardAndDamnRightTheyreCoveredInSauce
our definition of "organic," but they would consider it organic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [3]
MyHuevosBringsAllDaGrls2DaYardAndDamnRightTheyreCoveredInSauce
EarthAnimalArmy
I think they mean mechanical in Sentient robots, or cyborg, to me these would have been originally made by organics
MyHuevosBringsAllDaGrls2DaYardAndDamnRightTheyreCoveredInSauce
jiynxed
that's part of the 'great silence' theory - they see our output and politely ignore us until we get our shit together.
mirria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_hypothesis
Gray808
That would imply they never used radio waves to communicate themselves. Assuming they are >100 light years away, we'd still be hearing them.
jiynxed
Why? With the exception of radar and seti signals our radio bubble is only about 10 light years radius. Squared cube rule is vicious.
Dismang
I've wondered what if an alien race picked up broadcasts, but are unable to comprehend entertainment and think we are advanced badasses.
smolness
They've only seen the crazy ass Indian action movies
kibouchi
So basically Galaxy Quest.
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Or maybe they saw the kardashians
LurkerOfDarkness
That would explain them saying away.
TheGuyWithTheAnswers
Or they saw Star Wars or Star Trek and thought we are dangerously far ahead in technology and they are hiding in fear.. just shower thoughts
GeddyLee2112
Shower thought are the best kind of thoughts.
Dismang
"Nah dont do it you saw what happened to all the other empires that tried to attack them they also have massive hidden fleets somewhere"
vietarmis
That leaves out that the Great Filter may be ahead of us.
Loxachi
It may just be that it's colonizing itself that's the great filter. Say you make that first colony then. Then what? In 80 yrs they are 1
Loxachi
Going to want independence and viola you have a interplanetary war with nukes, laser, KE Impactors and eventually someone gets pissed 2
Loxachi
Enough to drop a big rock.
Vectorman2
Well hopefully we will be able to make it through that filter, like waffle stomping in the shower we just gotta force through it.
RoyFuckingMustang
If you research the great filter theory, you concern there is brought up. Some suggest we have passed it or that we have yet to pass it.
Cheomesh
Rarely do I hear of people thinking we've passed it - if such a thing even exists.
Slander7
We are past a few potential bottlenecks: life emerges, life becomes complex/multicellular, life becomes intelligent. All of these are 1/2
Slander7
thought to be potential, strict filters. We are on the cusp of becoming multi-planetary, which is another. Anyone's guess if there is 2/3
Slander7
a Great Filter, if it's one of these, or if it's ahead of us. 3/3
elahrairah
Ya this description of the great filter is wrong. More like technological civs all end up nuking themselves.
AnythingMuchShorter
Yeah I was going to say this, this isn't even what it means. It means some unknown systemic point that most civilizations fail to pass.
elahrairah
Or the storyline from DOOM. All Civilizations end up discovering teleportation technology and accidentally letting Hell flood their planet.
Morrigi
Or FTL travel, which causes people to see things that should never be seen, as in Event Horizon.
surprisemotherfuckers
reminds me of revelation space, though that was aliens leaving traps for new civs to prevent new opposition from rising
Slander7
Not opposition. Later books in the series reveal that their motives are actually very selfless/noble, albeit long term.
ColonelCrabs
Actually as the solar system matures there will be fewer random incidents like meteor impacts. The chances of an impact early on was higher.
RoyFuckingMustang
A filter could be anything, failure to react to man-made climate change for example.
ColonelCrabs
Though that doesn't count towards our own maturity. We'll probs blow the shit out of ourselves or create something that'll kill us.
JackHarknessNerdySidekick
The great filter theory has very little to do with asteroids, it's more just that somewhere along the path from non life to complex space
JackHarknessNerdySidekick
Faring life there is some nearly insurmountable barrier. It may be early, it may be late. We don't know which side of the filter we're on.
ColonelCrabs
Except until now the filters have been random celestial events and changes to our planet which as the system and planet mature occur less
JackHarknessNerdySidekick
the point of the theory is that we don't know which filter is the 'great filter.'
ColonelCrabs
It's relative. The great filter for the dinosaurs was an asteroid, it prevented them from evolving and ended their existence
SuddenRandomFinnishGuy
Meanwhile we wonder this, armada of alien destroyers coming towards our planet.
Grrrg
"There's always an Arquillian battlecruiser, or a Corillian death ray, or an intergalactic plague that's about to wipe out all life" - K
Vectorman2
As long as we have Will Smith I'm not too woried
VultureTX
... the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across - 1/
VultureTX
happened to be the Earth-where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale, entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog 2/
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azureraptor
I remember when this was first on the BBC. :D
ARandomAleatoryGuy
never say "I forgot my towel" loundly
RoyFuckingMustang
It would be hilarious if they mastered travel but because they are more peaceful our weapons are better and we just mop the floor with them
The701
https://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf
azureraptor
It would not in the least little bit surprise me that we are absolutely the most vicious, aggressive species, at least for a very long ways.
justForRon0Fez
The one theory that never gets brought up is that all civilizations eventually turn inward, preferring VR to exploration
spaceflunkee
And then over time that VR becomes so realistic that it's indistinguishable from reality. From there, life inside VR isn't virtual (1/?)
spaceflunkee
because it's just as real as the outside world, which leads to the question: Are we as humans simply inside a hyper-realistic (2/?)
spaceflunkee
VR/simulator of a society we don't yet have the capacity to understand....God? (3/3)
RoyFuckingMustang
no
raadoo
noname117spore
The issue with that is eventually your star will die, so you still have to build a ship to move your VR selves and collect resources (1/2)
noname117spore
The problem is hiding that ship would be difficult (although I could see it having not yet moved), because it would produce lots of heat 2/2
spaceflunkee
If such a VR existed, I'm sure time dilation within it would be easy. Even tho the star dies, it would die at time = infinity
noname117spore
Don't think you could do that with limited computing power. You'd only be able to run so many things and eventually run out of time.
noname117spore
Now that time would be a really long time, but a mobile computer could go from star to star and run for much longer, run on fusion power...
noname117spore
for a long time, and once those options are exhausted they could perhaps farm black holes. If you have the tech to build such a computer...
spaceflunkee
I guess that is true. It would depend on how efficient the computer is and how much you could dilate time. Regardless you'd run out 1/2
spaceflunkee
It just seems like if you could make time appear infinity at one point in vr, it doesnt matter outside if power runs out or not
DrDresDog
Early birds one is interesting. We always think that we are being watched by more advanced life but is it possible we are the most advanced?
StephenDaniels
I don't think that's so far fetched, but I'm a Patriots fan. I've become accustomed to the best :)
kim73
I hope not.
HappyJello
ILostIt
One thing this list is missing is "Apex Predator", that all other beings don't broadcast like us to avoid a mega species
Mcdanerson
What is a mega species?
ILostIt
a race that is so advanced that other races would never be able to fight them, so races that are aware of that hide. fish hiding from sharks
ohidksomethingfunny
DO we always think that?
ibuprofen87
The fact that our solar system hasn't been re-purposed makes this seem likely to me. That, or interstellar travel is somehow impossible.
ThePerfectTemperatureForHeresy
After a vote by the sentient life form council, this stellar system has be rezoned as toxic waste dump.
ThePerfectTemperatureForHeresy
The indigenous fungus on the third planet has been deemed incapable of making the critical leap to sentience and is of no consequence.
Chriswilliams08
Great so by the time we reach them they will be in a shit head planet stage like we are now.
qyrriqat
For a twist on this, check out David Brin's short story "The Crystal Spheres." (1985 Hugo Award winner.)
NixonDidNothingWrong
Is it tied to Uplift?
qyrriqat
Nope, entirely unrelated.
peaceloveandgraffiti
I find it interesting that we only see a fraction of the sky. And that fraction is so huge our minds can't even comprehend that..
Mavgurian
At the current pace we will have some explaining to do when the young neighbours come around in their fancy red sports-spacers.
delecti
Depends on the amount of space you're considering. Earth is 4= billion years old, it could have happened faster even here.
BunchaCrunchOfHuman
Interstellar style?
Alwayskneph
I always liked the idea that billions of years in the future we were the forerunners, technology so advanced its complexes all after us.
80percentlegs
Fahargo
My favorite theory is the great silencer theory. Those that talk to much draw attention. Attention that gets them noticed an silenced. 1/2
Fahargo
What if habitable planets are really rare and it's more affective to just search for signals than to search every solar system.
srs00
More interesting imo because most people realize all the potential life in space, but not in time. Of the hundreds of billions of years in 1
srs00
The universe's history, not to mention its future, how likely is it that intelligent life occurred simultaneously?
blahtotheblahblah
Well, the universe is still only about 13.8 billion years old, so not exactly 100s of billions of years of history yet... the future though
srs00
Hey, I'm not an astronaut. I'm an American. Not too edumacated on that sciency mumbo jumbo.
GrandmaCantFightButYouShouldSeeHerBox
Honestly I hope we're not the most intelligent because we'll probably end up killing ourselves in the next 1000 years
myweaknessisstrong
I take that as encouraging. life is tenacious.
Idiotcommentsforidiotpeopleaboutidiottasksonidiotthreadidiot
and we are just being watched by our selves from the future with rules not to interact
CthulhuPanda
I did some amateur math on this once. It would have taken a couple of generations of stars to form carbon. That matches the Sun's birth.
WhereCanYouSeeLions
Well, it varies. Some of the hypergiant stars of the early galaxy had much lower lifetimes and would have propagated carbon much earlier
WhereCanYouSeeLions
than main sequence stars like our Sun.
Elroydb
Isn't that kinda how our solar system is? We started with a hypergiant and our sun the first one stable enough for the timeframe for life?
WhereCanYouSeeLions
Not necessarily. The universe is old enough our sun is probably not in the first wave of main sequence stars.
Xyvyrianeth
Then again, you're talking about a species that spent half a year mourning the death of a gorilla.
GhostSprite
Too soon man
Bacxaber
To be fair, silverbacks are dwindling. That's why Harambe's death mattered so much.
NixonDidNothingWrong
Dicksout. Come for harambe, stay 'till ricksout.
CreepiestThingIveSeenAllWeek
That shows a level of empathy that will be critical when dealing with other, stranger species
RecurringNightmare
iirc a star has to form, burn out, explode and reform at least once to form planets and most likely cant form complex life before the 3rd >
RecurringNightmare
> time, and time was insufficient for sun-like stars to be in the 4th circle, so there cant be billion-year-old super-civilizations in our >
RecurringNightmare
>area, and its quite possible that we are in the leading group of civilizations, or at least not too far behind, at least locally...<<
IAmIronsMan
Columbus didn't stop and make contact with any ant hills.
LovinMedLife
What's that quote from?
IAmIronsMan
I don't remember precisely
DoctorWh0m
Hypotheses centered around arrogant assumptions have historically turned out to be wrong af
SaintMaceToTheFace
Welcome to r/HFY
ThePerfectTemperatureForHeresy
I'm going there right after I shower. Time for some "feel good about the flesh ape" stories!
LuciusAelius
"The Road not Taken" is a short story that begins with this premise. Link: https://eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf
mildgamer001
very good read. thank you for sharing. wish it was longer than 20 pages though haha
DrDresDog
have'nt read it but love Harry Turtledove, +1
LovinMedLife
Do you know of any more pieces like this?
LovinMedLife
Oh my gosh that was amazing! It should have its own post!
Braindaed
I forgot to eat today. I don't think we are the most advanced.
KhornateKhommander
It's not actually that abnormal to go without food for a day.
Braindaed
Yeah fuck that. I need eats
KhornateKhommander
Eh, food tastes way better after fasting for a bit.
dogenuggets
The fact that food is so accessible to you that you can "forget" to eat says the opposite is more true.
DoctorDumpster
Man, science makes me feel so insignificant.
Cheomesh
A futurist's nightmare!
YourMomIsEverything
This is such a hopeful thought! Maybe we will enslave THEM and be the ones that probe THEIR anuses.
clownfromtheneckdown
Sweet sweet alien anus
Grillparzer
Wishful thinking.
awesmond
I'm going to be very sad if humans are the most advanced. We're fucking stupid.
Falos
Pessimism actually matches an unlisted one. By the age of ~N years (e5?) sentients will tend to have hit one of any irreversible runaways:
Falos
Killer virus (or lol antibacterial abuse) break atmosphere (ie climate, terraform gone wrong) ultimate weapon (supernukes), graygoo, etc etc
flyinghamster
I was stupid when I was 5, but then I grew up and became less stupid. To 5 year-old me I'd look pretty damn smart now. (1/2)
flyinghamster
We may look stupid to ourselves, but someone less advanced may see us as way far along. So we could still be the most advanced. (2/2)
zero10one
We just need to set a good example then. Pressures on!!
TardigradeTheDestroyer
Don't be so hasty. We'll continue to evolve... What will we be like in 100,000 years, or 100 million?
Grillparzer
More obnoxious than we are now.
dyc3r
Dead.
kogamikirito
How long till i get the succ?
FlutterPwn
If we are the most advanced then that's really said because humans are stupid.
Denbus26
Careful not to cut yourself on that edge
LogarthSheppy
“One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike –
LogarthSheppy
and yet it is the most precious thing we have.” – Albert Einstein
MadnerKami
You may be, but humanity as a whole isn't. You are talking of a species that made it from the trees to space in about a million year.
Dingohead
Do you really believe that we evolved from tree dwelling monkey
Denbus26
And to take it a little further, we went from discovering flight to landing on the moon in what, 60-70 years? That's pretty damn impressive
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
I doubt we would have gotten there as quickly if not for WW2.
MadnerKami
Which makes it all the more amazing and it isn't even the first time, that the worst hobby of humanity still leads to great things.
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
The whole of humanity not stupid, perhaps I am cynical, but a race he'll bent on inventing more imaginative ways to destroy itself 1/2
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
Due to its inability to learn from previous mistakes is pretty stupid, and I am not talking recent history but the past few centuries. 2/2.
MadnerKami
Humanity learned well from past mistakes, we've become Masters of Killing. Today, it needs one button-push to destroy the entire planet.
Letdafunbegin6
Yeah only a million years. That's nothing in astronomical terms.
WhoYouGonnaCallGhostNappa
Then that leave the possibility that we will transition to the giant bottleneck scenario
BearToof
Isn't the filter and bottleneck pretty much the same? Would not the bottleneck be a type of great filter.
guruflattius
The bottleneck suggests that more planets than we think develop life, but it's very rare for them to get a foot hold before dying out. 1/2
guruflattius
The filter suggests that if a stable planet hosts life, that life is destroyed one way or another (natural, artificial) before they 2/3
guruflattius
Have the capacity to extend beyond their own planet either physically or through technology 3/3
WhoYouGonnaCallGhostNappa
Gaian*
DrDresDog
Honestly, I feel like the next evolutionary step is figuring out how to spread to other planets than other solar systems. This exponentially
DrDresDog
increases the rate of survival since it makes a gigantic amount of resources available to us and prevents a catastrophe such as meteors or
DrDresDog
wars or disease from wiping out the race entirely.Also allows for the creation of new social constructs that may be more efficient then this
Cheomesh
Every single planet other than earth would be a net importer of resources.
zeusdemigod131
Step 1, Martian Colony. Step 2, bases on moons of Saturn and Jupiter. Step 3, manned mission to Alpha Centauri
Jus10Ed
Cool. Then we are the mysterious ancient race that will leave cool technology all over the galaxy.
Khai257
I want to leave a shake-weight behind... hehehe...
Pr3ach3r
Something tells me we'll leave more dick drawings on stone _|_ than tech. Maybe even large scale dick shaped mountains... humans :))
PunJedi
I imagine a scenario where we find an ancient advanced civ on some planet and when translated, their entire language was "bro code".
Falos
Hey. Hey. We'll leave them the secrets to medicine and math and stuff too. But so help me there WILL be dick drawings for them to find.
Pr3ach3r
ROFLMAO
skwint
we've made a start on mars already
Pr3ach3r
Dick pic or didn't happen ????
skwint
NSF(venus) :
CreepiestThingIveSeenAllWeek
Mountians? You're thinking too small. Arrange all the constellations around a sapient species home world to just be genitalia.
Pr3ach3r
Someone will be born as a Dick sign. Zodiac, right?
Pr3ach3r
I bet they'll feel stupid at one point for having prayed to the Dick god in their ancient times.
IchitheKira
like Mass Relays?
SederHishtalshelus
Thing is.. they still found alien life in ME, ancient or otherwise. The question is why we've been given no sign of anything at all.
IchitheKira
Reapers did a really good job in our cycle
SederHishtalshelus
I'm kinda mad there was no half synthetic half organic characters in MEA honestly
Jus10Ed
Or the stargate system.
strakur
I've just realized *we* are the ancestors
Allhailmidgetgoat
Woah
Sholan
"we" could be the ancients of SG-1 o.o that's a scary thought, but also leaves hope we'll get our shit together someday
losboccacc
well most novel and space games often heavily imply we're the ancestor
Revrot
In the halo universe, Humans ruled half of the galaxy 100,000 years ago, till the other half took our lifespan and stuck us here.
sunboy4224
Which is so sad. I always imagined that galactic ancestors would be more, I don't know...dignified.
Bladeroller
Nope, here we are in all our "git her done" glory.
Bacxaber
Wouldn't the ancestors think that of themselves regardless?
YamatoIouko
Do you think the Protheans or the Ancients or the Forerunners were always as great as the end of their civilizations? Give us time. ;3
Xoniac
I liked the DLC in ME3 where you find a real prothean and he basically shows that everyone was wrong and they werent benevolent just slavers
Kudoskid
I love when in stories they show the flaws in older civilisations that are glorified.
SpecialContainmentProcedures
You know how our grandkids are going to have pictures of our generation twerking? Now imagine we are the source of all other life.
ThisUsernameIsNoLongerAvailableIsStillNotEvenAvailable
We are still so very young. Even Gods need learn humility and shame. Read "The Egg" by Andy Weir.
SerpentWearer
I've encountered that story before but never was given an author. Thank you for that valuable piece of information.
Kudoskid
And that was just sober. On another note, (just some advice) never read it on ketamine.
Kudoskid
That fuccckkeedddd me up man..
UrsaUrsa
Dignity and wisdom come with older age, and we, as a species are somewhere in college years, or at least I choose to believe so :)
Pr3ach3r
Not sure you know but in many countries college is high school and not university level. So ... adolescents? I think it checks out.
YourLordCthulhu
I mean, have you looked at the internet recently? Fits the bill
UrsaUrsa
University comes after high school where I live (starts @ 18-19 y.o.) English isn't my first language.. :) Adolescence sounds about right :)
TheType95
Out of seven billion people, you're bound to have tons of trash, and accepting that, aren't there a whole lot of people that constantly /
TheType95
impress you with their wit, tolerance, courage and general goodness? Focus on those mate, and find it within yourself.
SerpentWearer
I'd like to expand on this with the perspective that trash is a highly subjective notion. Every ecosystem needs predators, and everyone #1
SerpentWearer
has value, even if it's not yet known or only to serve as a warning or for researching mental disorders. #2
manslut
We should just start broadcasting a signal asking for nudes.
sunboy4224
"We would like to make contact with those known as the Terrans." "Lol, kk...whatchu wearin? ;D"
Pr3ach3r
You haven't watched enough hentai to know better. You're forgiven.
TheGodComplex
Or maybe he has
GardenHoser
I think the timing could also just be off. it's impossible to say what the expected life span of a given civilization is and it might 1/2
GardenHoser
Just be that countless civilizations could rise and fall without knowledge of each other due to the immense amount of time between each one.
chiefs86
I feel like at some point, once a civilization became truly space-faring, like colonizing their own solar system, and other solar systems...
chiefs86
(2) it'd be hard for them to completely fall or decline. Not impossible, because if it ends up being literally impossible to transmit data
homerinchinatown
Came looking for this comment. If civilizations between worlds tend to miss each other by even a hundred thousand years, they'd never know
noname117spore
The only way this really works is if they don't go colonizing. Once they do that they're eggs are spread among enough baskets...
noname117spore
That it would be pretty darn hard to kill them off
Loxachi
Well that assumes they feel the need to expand or even share the same sense of what the universe "is" as us.
noname117spore
The thing with the Fermi paradox is you have to say that all civilizations wont expand or build megastructures
noname117spore
You'd need all civilizations to be undetectable or only detectable for a short period of time, which means no expansion and mega-projects...
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
heck, there could have been a civilization on earth 100 million years ago, and we would have no way of knowing.
RoyFuckingMustang
Pretty sure we would have found evidence of a non-human civilization by now.
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Even human civilisations we might not know about. We've been humans for at least a hundred thousand years but civilized for only ten thousan
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
-d years. It's not impossible that a civilization could have come and gone in that time.
midsongnipplerub
It kind of is impossible, we'd have found records of some kind.
Morrigi
We probably would have found fossils by now.
andaction
We continue to discover new species, as well as new fossils. And I iirc, fossils are fairly rare vs the number of life forms we know of.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
i doubt it. archeologists can just barely recognize 10000 yo ruins - in 100 million years, even a steel beem would have decayed completely,>
Morrigi
I'm not talking about their ruins, I'm talking about their bodies. We have a shitload of fossils from back then.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
> and it would be extremely hard to recognize as a fossil. and who says a civilization from 100 million years ago even had similar tech >
chiefs86
(3) at speeds that are FTL, some colonies may end up being cut off from humanity's information network, and regress badly.
Shovi
How the hell would that happen? We can store information very conveniently nowadays, imagine in the future.Even if the remote planets can't1
Shovi
communicate with each other, i don't see how they would regress, apart from wars destroying the knowledge (maybe). They would 2
AndreKroon
I'd actually say that once colonies lose contact with the home world, that actually increases the likelyhood of the races survival as (1)
AndreKroon
a whole. If they have constant contact with eachother then the chances of something that wipes out one planet wiping out another probably (2
AndreKroon
increase. Depending on what it was ofcourse. Another space faring race for example, or a disease (if we have people traveling between (3)
Cheomesh
This is basically the crux of the later eras of Traveller.
mediaman73
Thing is that, unless you find a goldilocks planet, whatever colony is going to be 100% reliant on its source planet until fully 1/
mediaman73
terraformed. And then, once sustainable, the geographic isolation principle sets in. That colony becomes its own planet withbits own 2/
mediaman73
civilizations to rise & fall. It's a very complex system, and it all impacts ability to communicate. /3
Shovi
stagnate compared to other planets, sure. 3
chiefs86
I could totally see a new colony end up having a civil war with itself, or splintering into rival "tribes". Plus, depending on how long...
chiefs86
(2) it takes to get to a new planet to colonize it, either via some sort of generational ship or with cryo freezing, it's possible that...
chiefs86
(3) the humans of the colony will already be hundreds of years out of date with the rest of human society and knowledge.
Shovi
Yes, sure, but this is stagnating not regressing.
DoYouHonestlyThinkYoureFuckingFunny
Saying aliens don't exist is like taking a scoop of the ocean and saying fish don't exist when you don't get one in you're cup.
UrKungFuNoGood
are you sure that's what it's like?
HeyWaze
brilliant analogy i think
RoryBlack1
Except there is a 100% chance of life and an extremely small chance of aliens. One in a trillion does not mean that if you have a trillion 1
EndUserLicenseAgreement
*your, Mr. President.
rickmortyjerrybethsummer
Looking at the name, he/she should have known that.
MashMouth
Do you fuck with the war?
ibuprofen87
But it would be equally wrong to say fish do exist in this scenario. We are completely lacking meaningful priors.
Imgonnatipyouwell
Yes indeed.
Grillparzer
One billion species know to have existed on Earth. Five used tools and discovered fire. One exists today.
RoryBlack1
Habitable due to fun things like black holes and gamma burst. Basically we are probably both early with regards to time and also very lucky.
RoryBlack1
Planets one of them will have life. What it means is that life is extremely unlikely. Also less than 10% of known galaxies may be 2/3
Cosat2023
Isn't this a line from House?
vampirehedgehog
I'm pretty sure it was actually Black Science Man.
YouThinkThatsBad
No it's from the woman Dr Arrowway from Contact is based off of. I forget her name.
Midnightwhiskey
I thought you said poop for a second.
MyHuevosBringsAllDaGrls2DaYardAndDamnRightTheyreCoveredInSauce
JGoat
Your
optimusgoose
Neil degrasse Tyson quote
optimusgoose
https://youtu.be/Uhj45BFK5dw
ZombieMesh
I dont agree with that analogy. It's more like you take a scoop of the ocean and don't see any evidence of any sort of life. 1/?
ZombieMesh
Stuff like plankton or amebas or krill or bacteria. Not only that, but you can SEE fish in the ocean without even using a cup. People 2/3
ZombieMesh
fill a cup with space and see no forms of life at all, which is why aliens are a lot harder to believe than fish in an ocean.
RoryBlack1
From us faster than the speed of light.
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thatclimbingguy
If we had a tool with which we could look as deep into space as we can look into the ocean we might see aliens.
StubbornViking
Nope. You can find life in the first millimeter of the ocean. You can find life in literally every drop of water, and you dont have to look1
StubbornViking
Too hard at that. Space is cold and dead. The likelihood that ANYTHING exists is already low, even with the size of the universe.
RoryBlack1
Know the ocean sustains life*
RoryBlack1
Not really no. We no the ocean sustains life. Most have no idea just how inhospitable and deadly space is.
Willybum84
We need the ability to favorite comments.
sprfrkdvd
Screen shot
MnightShariaLaw
Actually no, it's not like that. Life , as we know it, is goddamn complicated and doesn't just pop out of nowhere. And if you think…
MnightShariaLaw
that water has equal live ability as space , then you're wrong. Most planets are impossible to live on. And of course with infinite …
MnightShariaLaw
Planets there is also a 100% chance of live but it's probably some insect or something rather insignificant. That was my rant.
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SergeantSalsa
Remember to credit DoYouHonestlyThinkYoureFuckingFunny
DoYouHonestlyThinkYoureFuckingFunny
Go for it kiddo
Iamtheknock
Gonna get blasted for the spelling error tho
JebusKrist
You're a cup
ArtArchive
Saying aliens exist is like saying unicorns are real, you just haven't found one yet.
xTouko
You generally can not entirely deny the existence of anything in an endless space. One can only prove if something exists, not if it doesn't
ArtArchive
Great. I'll be awaiting your discovery of space unicorns.
xTouko
Never say never, my friend.
captainikag
We exist. The conditions for life exist here. They can exist elsewhere too.
ArtArchive
Life is not a common, nor a likely thing.
captainikag
Somewhat irrelevant. The unicorn analogy will never work because we are proof of the possibility. Aside from that, we don't know what
captainikag
Forms life could possibly take. What can be born in other worlds. The nearest life could exist in oceans underneath a moon in our system.
ArtArchive
Yeah, okay, Clarke. Earth life is to aliens as horses are to unicorns. Just because you can imagine something similar doesn't mean it's real
srs00
Eh. More like saying you'll find an animal with traits that are entirely speculative and not only an intelligence, but a logic system just 1
srs00
like yours. I'm not a denier, but there are just as many factors that have to align as there are galaxies. Chaos theory.
Rayfire3535
Dat wisdom..are you the BUDDHA?
getoffmycatyoufreak
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NobelDynamite
I like that, we are the most advanced civilization doing the dipping and have a long way to go for the fish to talk back when we find them..
thatclimbingguy
No YOU'RE a cup
Madderrs
ZING!
LiquidAurum
Most of these are talking about intelligent life
algavinn
Exactly.
MO1STNUGG3T
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ffilm
Saying aliens exist without the slightest bit of evidence whatsoever is even worse.
ffilm
No, it's not like that at all. We aren't defining space as "one cup" of the sea, comparitive speaking.
j55555
Wait! Fish exist?
LexiClarke
While I agree that life is probable the analogy is kind of misleading because you already knew about fish's existence when u took the scoop
StubbornViking
Thank you
RoryBlack1
If there is something outside our small pocket of the universe, we will never hear or be able to reach it due to how it it is expanding away
SecondHandWisdom
So you're saying we are using the wrong form of bait...interesting. muaha ha haha haha
CreepyPhlox
Exactly. I firmly believe there are other life forms out there. We are not the only ones. But we'll never reach each other.
Yavin1v
never is too big a word
Carmichael106
If intelligent life exists, we won't reach it in our lifetime. We would have had to have made contact centuries before you and I were born.
Carefuler
I think he's saying because of the distances involved and physical limitation on travel, we'll never be able to reach anyone else.
Carmichael106
That is what I inferred from his/her statement as well.
Yavin1v
seems dumb, if he can make the leap to believing life exists elsewhere why not make the leap that tech will improve drastically too
StubbornViking
Not quite.. The ocean is literally FILLED with life, and a lot of it at that. The majority of the universe simply CAN'T host life.
Taterzlol
*as we know it
StubbornViking
I will give that there could be life that could exist in what we see as uninhabitable areas, but we haven't found anything to indicate ityet
Taterzlol
I just think its a little naive to speak in absolutes. The universe is massive, and we are nothing. We can't possibly speak in absolutes.
ffilm
There is no evidence of it: nothing, nada, zip, zilch, none, zero.
HypersonicHero
Or taking that scoop and not a single organism exists to be more accurate.
NextineX
Not really. The microbes in the water we'd find are analogous to the building blocks of life that we see all through space.
StubbornViking
If that's your analogy then the only life in space we would find would be microorganisms.
NextineX
Microbes do not take long to form more complicated organisms. We've observed yeast acting multi-celled in the lab in few generations.
StubbornViking
In very controlled environments. Even then, the yeast isn't multicellular in any sense other than that the cells stick to each other. 1
rocketturttle
not a single visible with the naked eye. Remember, all we are doing is scanning for radio broadcasts that are close, strong, or aimed at us
StubbornViking
And looking for other planets, solar systems, elements, and literally anything else that could POSSIBLY indicate life.
rocketturttle
we have found many stars similar to ours and many, many worlds in the probable habitable zone.
StubbornViking
Even so, there are lots of other variables necessary to support life. Then many more to create. Its survival is another story entirely.
DrSparken
Or all of the above. The most powerful TV radio masts ever would be a major struggle to detect at Venus, nevermind beyond the solar system.
rocketturttle
exaclty. SETI cannot actually detect signal modulation at interstellar ranges https://www.seti.org/faq
AddictiveTendancies
Good analogy
airelibre
Although for it to work, we'd have to be on the beach without a boat, with the chances of a fish happening to swim up to us being pretty low
ColeTheBar
If you knew the Zerg swarm was out there, would even want to chance that first scoop?
Yavin1v
if you knew then you wouldnt need to
Cheomesh
Not really, as we can demonstrate fish existing in other ways.
Heavymettle
It is a popular one. Hardly the first time it has been made.
BillNyesPenis
Neil Degrasse Tyson said this
StubbornViking
No it isn't. The ocean is literally filled to the brim with life. The majority of the universe CAN'T be inhabited let alone is.
RetardedLobster
StubbornViking
If you're going to tell me I'm wrong at least tell me why, like I did. Otherwise you might as well be denser than me.
RetardedLobster
He meant fish not any living organisms
RoryBlack1
Oh no. Let's downvote this person for stating the mother fucking truth. Jesus Christ you fucking morons.
pippen1001
That's how Internet works, welcome to your first day
RetardedLobster
StubbornViking
http://imgur.com/VUNEN me @ my plummeting point total.
Swe3tJe3bus
They said specifically a fish so the analogy works.
StubbornViking
Comparing fish to finding ANY life in the galaxy assumes that we can even start to look for life that complex when we can't find anything 1
StubbornViking
smaller. 2
StubbornViking
If anyone wants to discuss this with me, please pm me. It's hard to keep track of this many angry comment threads lol
TheScarfyDoctor
The ocean is filled to the brim with life, but we've only fully explored what, 2-3% of it? And look at what vast amount of life we have (1/?
TheScarfyDoctor
(2/?) Discovered so far in the miniscule percent. Now look at how incredibly vast the universe is, and how little we have explored it. It...
TheScarfyDoctor
(3/3) Makes perfect sense that we haven't found any other life yet, with what teeny percentage we have discovered. I say it's a good analogy
thegreatalan
StubbornViking
Thanks for your input, I'll keep that in mind.
thegreatalan
ok, so the point was an analogy in which the lack of fish was comparable to the lack of discovered extraterrestrial life. (1)
daguq
The analogy states "fish" not life. That's how analogies work, they take an idea and transfer it to different things.
StubbornViking
And I'm stating that fish is complex life and we can't even find ANY life in space. Even an idiot can see life in any cup of ocean water 1
StubbornViking
Just in the algae and plankton, not counting the microorganisms invisible to the naked eye. So no, the analogy is shit.
Denbus26
You realize with current technology, the only way we can look for life outside our solar system is by picking up radio waves right? There's
LonelyBrannigan
Damn that's a good analogy, though you'd still find microbes in a cup of sea water
AncientTerror
And fish-pee.
rickmortyjerrybethsummer
and poop.
CDRShepardN7
The microbes could be a decent analogy for the organic materials necessary for complex life. You might find those materials, but not the 1/2
CDRShepardN7
2/2 Conditions suitable for complex life to develop, whether that's due to radiation, time, temperature, etc etc.
GrabEmByTheEmbassy
But haven't invented a microscope yet. Don't know what we're looking for. 'Air' didn't exist in the past, only wind.
HeyWaze
the microbes would be humanity in which case.
bayardthebloodhound
The microbes are like what we find on the meteors that fall to earth.
doubledoubleanimalstyle
You're a microbe.
murderhobbit
Your face is a microbe
CommTeam6
Your mom's a macrobe
AnAwkwardlyLongKissingSceneInDancesWithWolves
chardlz
Yeah and I bet if we look close enough at what's around us we'll find an equivalent situation to be true
MrJitterfingers
but you might as well take that as just that - non sentient life, draw a 1000 cups, less than a hundred will have but more than a minnow.
DoYouHonestlyThinkYoureFuckingFunny
i said fish.
StubbornViking
Then your analogy is even worse. You're discounting that we can't find ANY life in space and jumping straight to complex and developed life.
StuntinTableFlipper
Methinks you have a hard time understanding difficult topics.
StubbornViking
Methinks you oversimplify very complex issues in order for you to be able to wrap your head around it.
TruthBehindTheLies
Well microbes would be like the equivalent of plant life we've found on other planets. It's life but not as significant
LiterallyNothingAvailable
NextineX
I have a feeling you heard the term "organic compounds", and just assumed organic=life. We've never found any extraterrestrial life...
scnottaken
I think the closest thing we've found is amino acids.
DorthLous
Amino acids and possible traces of early life, none of which we can confirm yet, yes.
StubbornViking
No it isn't. The universe is wide and cold. Most of it CANNOT support life of ANY kind, let alone actually does.
KeeleonOhms
Life the way we categorize life anyway.
StubbornViking
Yes, it is possible that other types of life exist in our universe, but our study of life in general so far hasn't led us to be optimistic 1
StubbornViking
In that regard. 2
YamatoIouko
Yes, but as you said: it is wide. Odds of 1 in a trillion are nothing compared to the vastness of the universe.
StubbornViking
It would take millions of 1 in a trillion chances in a row for anything to successfully develop to where we are now, let alone past us.
StubbornViking
Odds of 1 in a trillion only count for the possibility of life to even form, let alone thrive, and THEN develop.
YamatoIouko
Oh really? You've got some good solid data from multiple planets you can present here?
YamatoIouko
Oh really? You've got some good solid data from multiple planets you can present here?