Fuck. I mean what drives people to try this shit. Haven't they heard of Darwin? Tempting fate? Thanks but I'll just chill on the porch with a beer after my 12 hour shift.
Either stay the hell out of holes you don't recognize, or there needs to be a mandate that all cave branches need to be CLEARLY MARKED. Mind you, even when there are lines directing cavers (and cave divers) people still seem to go off wandering. It's bonkers.
My geology student friend had to follow instructor into a cave/mine. Ok at first then they had to crouch. Then elbow and knee crawl. Then just shoulder wiggle. With the top of rock ceiling on back. With other people behind him as well. That moment he realized he was claustrophobic.
If it makes you feel better, as time passed his organs slowly moved down due to gravity, squishing his lungs so he could only take very shallow, tiny breaths. With this lack of oxygen, he became delirious, having hallucinations, all while losing the feeling of his limbs. So he was tripping out of his mind and not feeling any pain. He survived much longer than expected and they brought a mic down so his wife could talk to him and say goodbye. Fatal Breakdown on YouTube did a good video on it.
When I stumbled on this like 5 years ago it fucked me up and I kinda went down a rabbit hole of caving disaster stories. I found this transcript on nosleep reddit which was the transcript of the last hours of a caver recorded by his rescuer who could get him out. If it's real, it's a horrible read...if it's fake that author is fucked.
Yeah, I'll NEVER understand the appeal of caving. We went caving as part of a school camp in high school & all I could think while we were down there, in the pitch black, kilometres deep inside a mountain, squeezing ourselves through tight bends, was 'Aotearoa has a LOT of earthquakes & we've got a LOT of earth & rock sitting above us'. That's a NOPE from me.
That is literally my nightmare.. I broke into a cold sweat when I saw the news story about the high school kid who was found dead after falling down the center of a large rolled up gym mat, head-first. My sister rolled me up in a small rug when I was young, and it was the most terrifying experience. I cannot imagine
Googled it for you: Nutty Putty Cave is a hydrothermal cave located west of Utah Lake in Utah County, Utah in the United States. The cave was formerly popular with amateur and professional cavers alike despite being known for its narrow passageways. It was closed to the public in 2009 following a fatal accident that year. Before that, it was popular among Boy Scout troops and college students.
“… the landowner and Jones' family came to an agreement that the cave would be permanently closed, with the body sealed inside, as a memorial to Jones. Explosives were used to collapse the ceiling close to Jones' body, and the entrance hole was filled with concrete to prevent further access.”
Well... Gotta admit, that is a bit of a unique way to get your own personal gravesite. A bit grim and horrifying considering how it came about though...
One of the more terrifying caving disasters that I think of more frequently than I should. I have no desire to ever go spelunking, and this incident doesn’t help that.
I watched a video about this, horrible way to go slowly suffocating under the weight of your own body pressing down on you. They tried everything they could think of to pull him up but it was futile he was lodged in there and every movement caused him to slip further down.
Used to go here with the scouts growing up. It was terrifying. There was a section called "the birth canal" that was so tight you had to shimmy like a snake through it. I barely fit as a 120lb teen. I still go 4 wheeling out there to see the little memorial.
I won't even go into any fairly normal cave, visited by a large numbers of tourists. The film 'Thirteen lives' (excellent film!) about the true story of the soccer kids in Thailand getting trapped in a flooded cave was really horrific.
The kids and the coach were rescued. One former Thai Navy SEAL rescue diver died from asphyxiation and another rescue diver died of sepsis a year later from a blood infection acquired during the rescue.
I think we need to continue showing this specifically for this reason. When you have that gut response, maybe others will too, and they'll listen to it.
Nah dude fuck that. It pops up w/o warning and how many people are gonna decide whether to go caving based on an Imgur post..? I have claustrophobia and there's nothing at all to warn this is coming, and I hate it. Ruins my day.
if we were talking about lung cancer or traffic fatalities I'd be with you, but caving is just not some widespread threat. Might as well make scare posts about quicksand.
Nutty Putty used to be my favorite place for caving. I feel like I knew every square inch of the cave and could never figure out where exactly he got stuck so bad.
Read more about this. And then think about it. And then imagine putting yourself in that position. And then you will truly experience uncomfortableness. But not like he did. I would die any other way than this way.
I mean, having not read this cave article yet, but having watched a vid on the Byford Dolphin, were their deaths bar one guy not basically instantaneous? Or are you referring to the conditions they were in before death just being generally nightmarish? Or, I guess...I can see the comparison now haha. At least those guys met a swift and painless end
If I remember right, they injected him (through his feet) with medicine to calm him down and was likely quite a cocktail of opiates. So HOPEFULLY he was high out of his mind.
IIRC the rescuers, once they realized the horrible truth that they couldn't save him, had to basically tell him he was gonna die so he could say goodbye to his family before his heart gave out. 💔 I hate the story so much, but a great podcast about it is done by That's Spooky. I highly recommend it if you really wanna know more.
Wait, if they could get to him to do that, why could they not pull him out? Idk why I'm asking, the whole concept makes my skin crawl but I am morbidly curious nonetheless
IIRC they tried to use a pulley system and wrapped the rope around his legs. After pulling him up a little, his feet kept hitting the ceiling, and the angle of the opening was not good. At the same time, Jones' arms were pinned to his sides, so he could not help pull himself up. Also, his blood was going to his head, and he felt intense pain in his legs. The pulley system snapped and knocked out the helper next to him. After someone confirmed him dead, they left him there and closed the cave.
I haven't heard about the foot injection, but it's a lot easier to get a single tiny needle in than an entire pulling apparatus. Part of the issue is that he was so far wedged in that it was near impossible to reach him, let alone get a grip on him and pull him out.
They tried. It was extremely dangerous to even get near where he was stuck. After a failed attempt to pull him out (that only dropped him deeper), they decided that further attempts would likely kill the rescuers.
Well, Willy Wonka should not have built that. Even if he found the other deaths in the other rooms acceptable, this was too much for even him, and he later tried to shoot himself with a musket loaded with a Werther's Original.
There's a movie called The Last Descent. A remake like what they did with 127 hours and Aaron Ralston who cut his arm off with dull pocket knife. Both my homestate of Utah.
This 12 minute video about this story I watched years ago that is perfectly straightforward and not over dramaticized completely traumatized me. https://youtu.be/jWwPg8ruxfI
Same, I read about this and other similar disasters like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFOiob7wR5E "The Veryovkina Cave Tragedy" which was also awful, killed any desire to wander around underground, especially in tight spaces. What an awful way to die.
Yup, pretty much. He was exploring a cave with several branching paths, as caves do. He thought he was doing down a tight passageway called the Birth Canal that opens up into a large chamber. However, he got a bit turned around and ended up going down the path called the Boy Scout Killer, named for hopefully obvious reasons. The part he was in was about 18" x 6", or possible smaller. He was so sure he was going the right way he wedged himself into ever smaller and smaller openings.
And, yikes, they pulled him partially out with a winch and tackle system that failed and he dropped back in while still alive, dying later, still trapped, of a heart attack. His remains remain where he died, buried by explosives sealing the tunnels.
Fuck the people that reopened the cave. It had been closed because it was a super dangerous cave but the land owners managed to get the cave reopened. Shortly afterwards he died and the cave was sealed. There were a lot of failures across a lot of people that lead to his death.
GloveFullaVaseline
Fuck. I mean what drives people to try this shit. Haven't they heard of Darwin? Tempting fate? Thanks but I'll just chill on the porch with a beer after my 12 hour shift.
M4d3bi
2 rules for caving:
1. Don't go for caving
2. Follow the rule no 1.
NotedNuance
Oh god help someone get me out of the imaginary hole I'm now trapped in
Chromentor
If there was only a way to avoid these situations easily,
gobblinal
Either stay the hell out of holes you don't recognize, or there needs to be a mandate that all cave branches need to be CLEARLY MARKED. Mind you, even when there are lines directing cavers (and cave divers) people still seem to go off wandering. It's bonkers.
Merky600
My geology student friend had to follow instructor into a cave/mine. Ok at first then they had to crouch. Then elbow and knee crawl. Then just shoulder wiggle. With the top of rock ceiling on back. With other people behind him as well. That moment he realized he was claustrophobic.
ROGUEdenied
This story gives me nightmares to this day.
Mohareb
That is nightmare fuel for sure. Poor guy. That is a horrible way to die
poundingCode
Why? He had plenty of time to contemplate his life choices…
BunchaCrunchOfHuman
They had to leave him there so it's not only his cause of death but also his tomb.
TheJuiceLoosener
I'm feeling pretty good that I'll be able to avoid this particular fate myself
duhqueenmoki
If it makes you feel better, as time passed his organs slowly moved down due to gravity, squishing his lungs so he could only take very shallow, tiny breaths. With this lack of oxygen, he became delirious, having hallucinations, all while losing the feeling of his limbs. So he was tripping out of his mind and not feeling any pain. He survived much longer than expected and they brought a mic down so his wife could talk to him and say goodbye. Fatal Breakdown on YouTube did a good video on it.
Ultratoxic
That does not make me feel better, no.
JustaSimplePlumber
AnApologeticCanadian
When I stumbled on this like 5 years ago it fucked me up and I kinda went down a rabbit hole of caving disaster stories. I found this transcript on nosleep reddit which was the transcript of the last hours of a caver recorded by his rescuer who could get him out. If it's real, it's a horrible read...if it's fake that author is fucked.
yamamasyamaha
I don’t fuck with caves for this reason. I’m gonna die like a man - statistically, of heart disease!
januarylover
Yeah, I'll NEVER understand the appeal of caving. We went caving as part of a school camp in high school & all I could think while we were down there, in the pitch black, kilometres deep inside a mountain, squeezing ourselves through tight bends, was 'Aotearoa has a LOT of earthquakes & we've got a LOT of earth & rock sitting above us'. That's a NOPE from me.
marsilies
Technically, he died of a heart attack.
bryst
The crawly caves terrify me, you couldn't get me to shimmy thru one for a billion dollars. Caves you can walk in are cool as fuck.
killernerd
There's another level of terrifying caves: Underwater crawly caves! Seriously, cave diving is a whole different level of terrifying.
MaybeIllDisappear
QuartzPoker
This is so dark it scored Zero on the Bortle scale.
schmittyboss
bearded3d
That is literally my nightmare.. I broke into a cold sweat when I saw the news story about the high school kid who was found dead after falling down the center of a large rolled up gym mat, head-first. My sister rolled me up in a small rug when I was young, and it was the most terrifying experience. I cannot imagine
METROlD
Googled it for you: Nutty Putty Cave is a hydrothermal cave located west of Utah Lake in Utah County, Utah in the United States. The cave was formerly popular with amateur and professional cavers alike despite being known for its narrow passageways. It was closed to the public in 2009 following a fatal accident that year. Before that, it was popular among Boy Scout troops and college students.
Yupurineutah
So it was in Utah?
420supercoolusername69
“… the landowner and Jones' family came to an agreement that the cave would be permanently closed, with the body sealed inside, as a memorial to Jones. Explosives were used to collapse the ceiling close to Jones' body, and the entrance hole was filled with concrete to prevent further access.”
SoraHjort
Well... Gotta admit, that is a bit of a unique way to get your own personal gravesite. A bit grim and horrifying considering how it came about though...
Kehy
I suppose it's how you one up those "everyone's grave is the same size" or whatever that bull is
lysani
Sad thing is, other spelunkers that were mad about the cave being sealed went and defaced his memorial, as if they were blaming him for it.
schmittyboss
One of the more terrifying caving disasters that I think of more frequently than I should. I have no desire to ever go spelunking, and this incident doesn’t help that.
whitefoxkei
MissSiesta
TheChunguskaEvent
silly putty mining is so dangerous
BHPaperstacks
And all just so kids could copy cartoons out of the newspaper in pink goo. I'm glad technology has eliminated the need for such dangerous work.
TranquilPotato
Serious business
CatEyebrows
Who knew
themikep
that's why I only use serious putty
SpoilsburyToastMan
THEcableguy
But it smells delicious.
frankmanhattan
It tastes exactly like it smells!
Dannyalcatraz
Technically, I’m not claustrophobic. But everything I see about spelunking in narrow spaces gives me deep anxiety.
testzero
I don't think that's claustrophobia. That's just common sense.
FluxSagrie
Thanks Imgur for putting this on Most viral front page, because I needed to start my day with a minor panic attack thinking about that.
Feralkyn
For real. Same deal, fuck @OP for not starting with a diff. image and a trigger warning or some shit.
StarmineRendezvous
His body is still in that cave IIRC, with the hole sealed up so no one goes in it.
frankmanhattan
Really seals in the juices!
Raszagil
That is so morbid.
FrenchTheLlama2
Cave diving is so fucking stupid
Feralkyn
This isn't cave diving? It's just caving.
FrenchTheLlama2
It's all fuckin stupid
JustBoone
I watched a video about this, horrible way to go slowly suffocating under the weight of your own body pressing down on you. They tried everything they could think of to pull him up but it was futile he was lodged in there and every movement caused him to slip further down.
gobblinal
Just to be that asshole: "There's always time for more lube." Except in that case, the amount of lube needed woulda drowned the poor guy.
Nuggetti
Saddam's the wrong way around.
CanIGetSomeExtraSalt
always use a flared base
moose2000
Gestalt7
Clown shoes
GunTotingLiberal
Are you a friend of DeSoto?
ILikeToCallItLostWages
This will not get the respect it deserves
TheBeardedRhino
Used to go here with the scouts growing up. It was terrifying. There was a section called "the birth canal" that was so tight you had to shimmy like a snake through it. I barely fit as a 120lb teen. I still go 4 wheeling out there to see the little memorial.
Twinklepot
I won't even go into any fairly normal cave, visited by a large numbers of tourists. The film 'Thirteen lives' (excellent film!) about the true story of the soccer kids in Thailand getting trapped in a flooded cave was really horrific.
CP3oh
If I have to do more than stoop, then count me out.
gobblinal
Didn't they get out alive, eventually?
MisterPrimeMinister
The kids and the coach were rescued. One former Thai Navy SEAL rescue diver died from asphyxiation and another rescue diver died of sepsis a year later from a blood infection acquired during the rescue.
gobblinal
Ah. Another case of a successful rescue where the rescuers didn't make it. Crap.
bustedbuscuit
Stop showing this. Every time I see it, I have a panic attack.
Qualtagh
on other sites, this sort of issue is traditionally handled using trigger tags to allow people to block things. But it's not caught on here
duhqueenmoki
I think we need to continue showing this specifically for this reason. When you have that gut response, maybe others will too, and they'll listen to it.
Feralkyn
Nah dude fuck that. It pops up w/o warning and how many people are gonna decide whether to go caving based on an Imgur post..? I have claustrophobia and there's nothing at all to warn this is coming, and I hate it. Ruins my day.
Qualtagh
if we were talking about lung cancer or traffic fatalities I'd be with you, but caving is just not some widespread threat. Might as well make scare posts about quicksand.
railroadbiscuit
I am uncomfortable.
EvilLyn01
Same
hobbitdoc
Nutty Putty used to be my favorite place for caving. I feel like I knew every square inch of the cave and could never figure out where exactly he got stuck so bad.
IgnisInvictus
Yeah this one I didn't need to know about.
prawnklng
I bet that guy was too.
ThanksSir
nubblebun
Read more about this. And then think about it. And then imagine putting yourself in that position. And then you will truly experience uncomfortableness. But not like he did. I would die any other way than this way.
Mytherandis
it gave me nightmares for months after I learned about it. I can't think of a more horrifying way to die.
nubblebun
Agreed.
jjw9
He’s still down there. Cave was sealed after he couldn’t be recovered …

yourComeuppance
Imagine how he felt.
Musicosity
Wouldn't he have passed out fairly early on?
BigDaddysMeatWagon
He did not.
Musicosity
Yeah, I went and read up on this incident. Had to cut the Morbid Podcast off. That is fucking wild.
willpostanything
Ded
Wargamez
Dead?
FoamingToad
Yeah, he dead. Bit of a harrowing read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutty_Putty_Cave
If you enjoyed that you'll probably bust a gut at the Byford Dolphin.
Wargamez
I watched this video after seeing this post, and my stomach was literally turning in knots thinking about it. How horrifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-TaF2DbaWw
angryeyejuice
I mean, having not read this cave article yet, but having watched a vid on the Byford Dolphin, were their deaths bar one guy not basically instantaneous? Or are you referring to the conditions they were in before death just being generally nightmarish? Or, I guess...I can see the comparison now haha. At least those guys met a swift and painless end
Stuffyhead
Great. Now I have 2 nightmare fuels in my head, living rent free, right before I go to bed after having taken nighttime flu medicine. Ty.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
If I remember right, they injected him (through his feet) with medicine to calm him down and was likely quite a cocktail of opiates. So HOPEFULLY he was high out of his mind.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
I would want a doc to OD me, please.
coffeeandprozac
IIRC the rescuers, once they realized the horrible truth that they couldn't save him, had to basically tell him he was gonna die so he could say goodbye to his family before his heart gave out. 💔 I hate the story so much, but a great podcast about it is done by That's Spooky. I highly recommend it if you really wanna know more.
Imdead124
Wait, if they could get to him to do that, why could they not pull him out?
Idk why I'm asking, the whole concept makes my skin crawl but I am morbidly curious nonetheless
armagetz
The short version is attempting to pull him out would have broken his legs, and they doubted he could have survived the shock.
SaltyAndBitter
IIRC they tried to use a pulley system and wrapped the rope around his legs. After pulling him up a little, his feet kept hitting the ceiling, and the angle of the opening was not good. At the same time, Jones' arms were pinned to his sides, so he could not help pull himself up. Also, his blood was going to his head, and he felt intense pain in his legs. The pulley system snapped and knocked out the helper next to him. After someone confirmed him dead, they left him there and closed the cave.
LesbiLexi
I haven't heard about the foot injection, but it's a lot easier to get a single tiny needle in than an entire pulling apparatus. Part of the issue is that he was so far wedged in that it was near impossible to reach him, let alone get a grip on him and pull him out.
danafSparkleStar
I've read this thread and now I'm having an anxiety attack. Enclosed spaces are y wst nightmare.
JoeGrunt
They tried. It was extremely dangerous to even get near where he was stuck. After a failed attempt to pull him out (that only dropped him deeper), they decided that further attempts would likely kill the rescuers.
thelebaron
i cant imagine even being a rescuer for that.
digitalaaronscustoms
That whole story is terrifying.
theinternetkeepsmealive
And heartbreaking
KalmaWallu
Well, Willy Wonka should not have built that. Even if he found the other deaths in the other rooms acceptable, this was too much for even him, and he later tried to shoot himself with a musket loaded with a Werther's Original.
DoWGray
abion47
Okay, grandpa, let's get you your meds.
yamamasyamaha
What’s the story? He was exploring caves and got stuck?
VidaVita
There's a movie called The Last Descent. A remake like what they did with 127 hours and Aaron Ralston who cut his arm off with dull pocket knife. Both my homestate of Utah.
ChrisWsrn
Here is a report from one of the people involved with his attempted rescue https://www.brandonkowallis.com/2024/02/the-nutty-putty-cave-rescue-the-death-of-john-jones-one-rescuers-perspective/
graceinsheepsclothing
Thanks for this.
socraticmeathead
It was a pretty common place for us to explore growing up.
BrainTaffy
This 12 minute video about this story I watched years ago that is perfectly straightforward and not over dramaticized completely traumatized me. https://youtu.be/jWwPg8ruxfI
CarInAVet
Fuuuuuck I should not watch that. *click*
digitalaaronscustoms
I watched cave diving disaster videos for a while when I was more into horror. I'm good now. I have no desire to go caving anymore.
Raszagil
Same, I read about this and other similar disasters like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFOiob7wR5E "The Veryovkina Cave Tragedy" which was also awful, killed any desire to wander around underground, especially in tight spaces. What an awful way to die.
Affray
He only said he was off to find the meaning of life and would be back in about a week.
digitalaaronscustoms
Yup, pretty much. He was exploring a cave with several branching paths, as caves do. He thought he was doing down a tight passageway called the Birth Canal that opens up into a large chamber. However, he got a bit turned around and ended up going down the path called the Boy Scout Killer, named for hopefully obvious reasons. The part he was in was about 18" x 6", or possible smaller. He was so sure he was going the right way he wedged himself into ever smaller and smaller openings.
cafecafe
Sometimes I have nightmares that are similar
alaest0r
Yeah no thanks; I prefer to die in a large open space above ground if it's all the same to y'all.
wadatahmydamie
“And now I’ll just pull my arms out with my face.”
Affray
UnluckyScarecrow
Fuck man, he turned himself into that Junji Ito comic
gesel
And, yikes, they pulled him partially out with a winch and tackle system that failed and he dropped back in while still alive, dying later, still trapped, of a heart attack. His remains remain where he died, buried by explosives sealing the tunnels.
ShiftingPattern
A heart attack is an inevitable conclusion from being inverted for too long.
Raziel420
They sealed the tunnel with concrete, then blasted the main entrance.
BerticusFlamebearer
Honestly, they should have done that when it first earned the name boy scout killer.
yamamasyamaha
Yikes. People love tight holes I guess
kadaeux
So your mum is safe then. :P
EternallyIgnorant
I'd happily die in your mom's nutty putty cave. /s
Lvl30BlackDude
yamamasyamaha
Safe as a Boeing 737 max!
whateverthevoicestellme
We need a more fear-inspiring term than spelunking. Fuck caves
JustAPileOfCats
Caving, that's the term I know for it.
redcoatactual
Cave dying.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Hey guys wanna go cave molesting? "nah we're good, but also you should don't"
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
Caves are fine, and provide a biome to lots of interesting species. Fuck stupid people who think going head first into incredibly tight
Rongeong
Fuck the people that reopened the cave. It had been closed because it was a super dangerous cave but the land owners managed to get the cave reopened. Shortly afterwards he died and the cave was sealed. There were a lot of failures across a lot of people that lead to his death.
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
it should be left open. Its a natural skimmer for the gene pool.
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
underground confines is anything but the dumbest possible thing they could do. I'd literally respect him more as a human being if he died
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
from drinking battery acid straight out of a battery.
SinStar87
is long post broken for you? supposed to be a 500 character limit this year
Mercenarity
Old design still has character limits iirc?