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Ryanator50
I bet the comic has a better reason for the metal bikini.
OldGreggsBloodyMangina
You can draw comparisons between ANY story. Doesn't mean they are the same, or even heavily influenced by.
Dunes8
I mean even George Lucas said it was inspired by old pulp sci-fi
q00u
July 21st! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNrK7xVG3PM But will it meet the same fate as John Carter?
ronin1869
It's in his own words in early interviews with Lucas that he was heavily influenced by Valerian. In subsequent interviews he clammed up.
ronin1869
...one wonders if somebody in Legal advised him to stop saying it aloud.
KayeFaye80
Valerian + Kurosawa Samurai films + Buck Rogers + Flash Gordon = Star Wars.
Somethingsomethingnerdy
There's also a book out there where Lucas even admits he pulled from Viking and other cultural lore.
OverpricedCrayon
Modern story telling isn't influenced by any one thing. Star Wars wasn't pulled from just a Viking tale. It has all origins.
Timesplosion
And Indiana Jones pulls from old mini documentaries about guys like Roy Chapman Andrews. Lucas has been fairly open about where his...
Timesplosion
... Inspiration came from, but it was such a variety of sources that his own movies were still plenty original.
TallDude
I really don't see much similarity. Round flat ship, girl in skimpy "tribal" outfit, bad guy in mask, someone with burns. Carbonite though..
HanMott
Yeah, would have to know more about the context. Like is the girl supposed to be a slave or just wearing a bikini?
TallDude
Like every tribal gal in any comic book or old sci-fi or fantasy show ever.
Panserclaw
Whoa whoa whoa.....Star Wars isnt a one off piece created by George Lucas? Shocked! Shock I say to find this out.
floridaguy5867
You mean Princess Leia isn't the first girl to sport a bikini in a movie!?!?
ronin1869
Popular Mechanics article on this: http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/a15532/heres-what-star-wars-took-from-valerian/
wenturi
Jesus christ, too many people taking this WAY too seriously. Its a Goddamn joke, don't overanalyze it.
governmentgavemeagun
Maybe if it had been funny...?
kiwiflavored
It's sad that Valerian & Laureline was far more ahead of its time than Star Wars, especially in terms of gender equality.Movies are still...
kiwiflavored
a very conservative medium compared to comics. But at least TV shows have become a bit bolder
B4dL30
It's easier to be a genius if you have half of the work cut out for you. smh
AppleBitesEve
So...you went through the science fiction genre to point out similarities? You know you can do that with anything, right?
LavaAxe
IDGAF
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
PRetty much :)
eclect0
That's what happens when you invent "burnt faces" and "bad guys wearing masks" and fail to copyright them.
iscasaci
Bit unrelated, but can tell you reading the empire of a thousand suns as a kid was not the smartest decision I had ever made.
NexiKuro
Really? I don't remember it being hard on me as a kid. But I might've already been "numbed" by The Trigan Empire which did spook me though.
iscasaci
Was for me at least, though admittedly I did live a tad under the rock, and my imaginations always been a bit too vivid about horror.
riggityriggity
So the Phantom Menace came out in 2003 - the more you know
indiano1
I thought it was '99?
thegraphiteknight
thatsthejoke.jpg
SignHerePlease
Maybe the version where they changed Yoda into cgi instead of a puppet was 03?
C137
You would be correct
Elijahrock
May of 99. My freaking graduation night.
timmy26
I hope you didn't miss your grad night for the phantom menace
Elijahrock
... I did. Girlfriend's parents got tickets to the midnight showing. Talk about a waste of a night. Could have waited for it to get to video
timmy26
You silly boy... at least it wasn't one of it's next two successors, I guess
DoseOfScience
I don't think anyone ever claimed Star Wars was original in the story or characters department.
LeadByBadExample
My biggest problem is with those who claim Star Wars is good.
pragmatao
You could say that about ANYTHING. I think it's kind of implied when unless you say it IS inspired by other things.
anjroo
Exactly. George and crew have always been pretty up front about it being an amalgamation of the hero journey + scifi tropes + flash gordon
anjroo
What George should be proud of is being able to convert to a film in a compelling way. Even if 100% borrowed (it isnt) that is a huge feat
tomtomtomFR
Newest Star Wars episodes aren't even original from former ones POV
toddscat
Maybe if those other guys had some Kenner Toys to go along with them.
wilkins1952
The ONLY OC in starwars was Jar-Jar
pragmatao
Original crap
xrufus7x
slap stick humor and funny accents, yeah no one has ever done that before.
signorcarramba
Upvote because I like to see STARWARS fanatics suffer...
EvilBrainAngelHeart
Most people who could be called "fanatics" already knew this, no one thought Star Wars had 0 inspiration from anywhere.
aRepost
Dramacian
Missa agrees.
Twinklemeat
Just tell them you like prequels and a thousand voices will scream in agony.
WallpaperProblems
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plaguies the Wise?
Twinklemeat
No, please tell me about it.
WallpaperProblems
I thought not it's not a story the Jedi would tell you, Darth Plaguies was a wise dark lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could
WallpaperProblems
Keep the ones he cared about from dying
Djalabajoe
One of Lucas's main influences was Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress - a gruff samurai and two comedic peasants help a princess escape capture.
exceptionallystoopidsmartperson
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rubbarz
He just threw lasers in a Samurai drama.
IllNinjaYourFace
Also, the term "jedi" is taken from jidaigeki, a Japanese film genre that primarily contained "masterless samurai"/ronin.
Oteneo
Dune was also a huge influence. http://www.moongadget.com/origins/dune.html
VultureTX
yes! Lucas 2015 interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEJ6CzG9zVc
orgeezuz
Also Jack Kirby's 4th World: The Source, Darkseid, hero's father is the villain...
fencerman
He had a lot of influences. Also WW2 air combat movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZq-tlJTrU
TheWarSloth
Like Kurosawa I make made films, ok I don't make films but if I did they'd have a samurai.
TheDreaded1
"Skippity boppity golf gibberish flying off the back swing"
DeaconJon
Just you wait, soon you will be reading from those "oh so clever" critics that the new Valerian movie is copying Star Wars and is unoriginal
Fumoufu
Seeing the pathetic morons defending star wars is hilarious
anjroo
The problem is, following this logic is a never-ending trail. Jean-Claude Mézières didn't create in a vacuum - you can certain he borrowed
pdbravo
The Star Wars story was based on a centuries old Samurai tale.
RandomImgurian
...wasn't it a sort of Vietnam reference because Lucas didn't get to direct Apocalypse Now?
asm80dfa8sdfj
Samurai, space opera, western - multiple influences. The entire movie is made of tributes.
mongswoosh
You mean someone took a bunch of reference and changed it into a new thing? Holy shit.
MicrowavdPeeps
My thoughts exactly. People give me shit for a drawing style reminiscent of The Gorillaz.. who cares!!!
PirateBot
ye mean someone took a bunch o' reference and changed it into a new thin', with a chest full of booty? Holy shit.
bayardthebloodhound
Omg right!
Ttarler
Call the papers! Call the lawyers! This never happens
SsSsSs111112232
You mean someone took a bunch of reference and changed it into a new thing? Holy cow.
NotFarEnough
What's next, you're gonna tell me that Luke Skywalker's story follows the archetypal Hero's Journey that dates to mythology??? What a gip
LordNoodles
Gyp* as in gypsies.
tipitiwitchet
Honestly most of these seem like things two nerds could think up separately on their own, like space bikinis and gnarly masked villains
vorodar
Who, in their right minds, will put a hot girl in space bikini on display? Must be a copy - I have never seen anybody else do that EVER!
daRealFuckfaceVonClownstick
You're so right! This never happens!
gbreezy
Come on. We know anything written is just a copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Hayashima
Enough expository banter!
DarthFutuza
Even this comment is plagiarized from Gilgamesh.
saikorhythm
Nevermind the homages to Ben-Hur...
LajesticVantrashellOfLob
or dune
crimsan
Or Flash Gordon, anything Akira Kurosawa, or darth vaders suit which is almost a copy of Lightning from The Fighting Devil Dogs.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Excuse me while I yell "repost" at my star wars box set
crimsan
Well I mean, a lot of writers nowadays arent even clever enough to re-tell stories and they just retell the same one. Reboots are the best
tevyethemad
Or ww2 movies, or history, or anything else
ilikesmallboobiessincenooneelsedoes
"History should never repeat itself."
HEXADECIMAL
Ok but did he George Lucas buy the rights it just steal other ppls OC like a common imgur point whore?
AgolfHiller
You don't need rights to take inspiration, so aslong as the creators aren't butt hurt it's fine. GL is also really cool with fan creations
ShitSteve0Says
Op doesn't even realize they're doing this exact thing
IronicUsername
You don't need to buy the rights to use some conceptually similar ideas. I doubt the company behind Uncharted had to pay the Indiana [1]
IronicUsername
Jones IP holders to create Nathan Drake. [2]
OverpricedCrayon
People on imgur dont seem to understand how influence and references work.
Raaadman
Or you know...it's just a meme
SoupCanMan
People love to get upset. Some people make memes, others wake up and wonder "what can I be angry about today?"
OverpricedCrayon
People love being upset but at the same time wonder why the news is so negative all the time.
youdonegoofed
What should we do, grow film makers in test tubes and raise them in dark boxes so they aren't influenced by other material?
javadad60
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unaccompanied_Sonata
TheOnionNinja
Yes.
DarthFutuza
They'd be influenced by their test tubes then.
candar
... I mean, couldn't hurt to try?? Like, let's see how it works out, right? Regular non-tubeer movies can be the control group.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
I once wrote a story idea and then friends told me later it was the plot to Firefly. I never seen Firefly, so that's embarrassing. My 1/2
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
point is, even if we did that, this kind of shit might still happen. 2/2
banz111
Fun fact: Newton and Leibniz came up with calculus at about the same time; Talbot and Daguerre invented photography at about the same time.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Well, in their defense they're science. Much different from fictional writing.
xrufus7x
Yah but the important question is have you seen Firefly now?
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
You're gonna whip me if I answer that question.
xrufus7x
luvas
Will we also nae nae you?
LearningOnImgur
Seriously. The Lion King is basically Hamlet. So you're telling me there's less value to the Lion King because the premise isn't 100% orig?
Schex44
They also made a lion king two that was just a happier Romeo and Juliet
luvas
I suppose it's like a mix between Hamlet and Kimba, but I digress.
banz111
Yeah a lot like Kimba.
youdonegoofed
what even are you talking about?
LearningOnImgur
Saying the Lion King was heavily influenced by Hamlet, but that doesn't mean that it's any worse of a movie because it's not original
youdonegoofed
Did i say otherwise?? I think you're ranting at the wrong person.
LearningOnImgur
I'm not ranting, I'm backing up your point...
pizzapartyhard
As a kid i loved star wars. My brothers and i would watch and rewatch the original trilogy. We read the books, esp. the "technical" ones. /1
pizzapartyhard
Anyway, i would draw/describe/imagine all kinds of ships, characters, and weapons in the Star Wars universe. I, independently and before /2
pizzapartyhard
the prequels came out, came up with the idea for the weapons used by the gungans in the phantom menace, the little balls that disrupted /3
pizzapartyhard
energy. Down to their function and appearance they were near identical. In my mind they were gelatin, charged with an ion cannon (EMP), /4