What survival gear to buy and what to avoid, from someone who actually uses it. 

Aug 9, 2016 7:26 AM

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Sawyer Micro

Twice as effective at filtration as the Lifestraw along with a few handy accessories... for about the same price or cheaper. Plus you won't have to stick your head in a puddle to use it. I have one spliced into the line of my camelbak and another in my go bag. Buy one.

Avoid: Lifestraw

Edit: Since people have asked what I actually keep in my car instead of just what items I think are good to have I took some photos when I got off work today http://imgur.com/a/H1Mzp

Classic Bic Lighters

They work in the cold, in the wet, in the heat and cost next to nothing. Store them in your pack, tape them to your keychain. Unlike ferro rods they don't require extensive tinder prep to use. Just flick and go. If the gas runs out the striker will still throw a spark. Unlike ferro rods/firesteels you won't accidentally knock over your tinder trying to light it.

When the idiot with a ferro rod is still gathering tinder and flogging at his rod like a pervert with whiskey dick you'll already have a fire going.

Avoid: Blast Match, Generic Ferro rods, Firesteels, Weatherproof matches

Nymphs and Streamers

Flies aren't just for fly rods, in fact they work on just about any fishing rod. Natural bait is best but if you can't find any worms or grubs flies are a close second. You can even put a small piece of bait on the hook and have the best of both worlds. Good ones are expensive, but weigh almost nothing.

Avoid: Powerbait, heavy jigs

Fluorocarbon Leaders

Fishing line spooks fish... if they can see it. A 4' length of clear leader material will dramatically increase your chances of hooking something delicious for dinner. I use 2lb line on my tenkara rod but 4-10lb is usually more than enough for most applications.

Avoid: Ultra heavy fishing lines over 20lbs. You're fishing, not winching up a truck.

Berkely Alive Maggots, Waxworms, etc

Simply put, they work. And for a wide range of species from trout to panfish (which are delicious BTW) unlike regular bait they stay viable for a long time in your go-bag.

Tenkara/Keiryu Rods

Cane pole meets fly rod, these are lethal for trout and panfish with some even being able to handle carp. They pack down smaller than a conventional rod and weigh in at only a few ounces. Much more delicate presentations and sag free drifts are possible with these rods... which means more fish on the table.

They will also protect lighter fishing leaders which will also allow you to catch more fish. Win win, right?

Tenkarabum.com is an awesome source of information on the subject.

Avoid: Slingshot fishing rods, pen rods,

Silky Saws

They cut through wood like well... a saw. The lighter ones are less than half a pound and are more than capable of building shelters, limbing trees for firewood, even some carpentry. If the wood you are cutting is slightly shorter than the saw blade, you can cut it. Unlike a bowsaw which tends to get in its own way.

Avoid: Sven saws, bow saws

Bahco 24" replacement saw blade (Dry Wood)

Ten bucks and maybe an ounce of pack weight you can have all you need to build a full sized buck saw. Either pack it flat in your bedroll or curl it up into a circle and throw it in the bottom of a bag. Survival Sherpa has a great how to on how to build a bucksaw from some scrap lumber, but it also works with sticks gathered from the woods. https://survivalsherpa.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/how-to-build-a-sturdy-takedown-bucksaw/

Paprika, Salt, Pepper, Other Spices

Wild game and fish tastes much better when properly seasoned. A little dry rub can turn a trashfish into a gourmet treat. My personal favorite is a mix of paprika, sea salt, sugar, and a hint of black pepper.

Avoid: Mountain House Meals (They're essentially repacked Knorr sides for 6x the price)

Pam Butter Flavored Cooking Spray

Wait... cooking spray? Why? For starters, it makes it easier to cook in the woods without your food sticking. Secondly, spray flies or lures with it and you dramatically increase your chances of catching fish. You can even use it to keep knives from rusting... just don't use it in bear country.

Heavy Duty Aluminum Foil

Cook, store leftovers, even make fishing lures. Is there anything it can't do?

Weber Rapidfire Chimney

You know that thing they use to light charcoal briquettes for the BBQ? Well it makes a dandy little wood stove. You can grill, boil water or even bake with it. Yes, I said bake. Wrap a fish in foil and stuff it underneath the chimney, three to five minutes per side and it is done.

The chimney construction makes it extremely efficient and easy to light. It is heavy though, and it doesn't break down like some other stoves. Personally that's not an issue for me, I just wrap my cooking gear in a cloth bag and stuff it inside the chimney.

Avoid: Cheap Chinese folding stoves.

Kleen Kanteen 64oz water bottle

They're bomb proof and in a pinch you can boil water in them. Just don't try it with the cap still on. The picture is of the 40oz model but I carry the 64oz because I spend a lot of time hiking and need the extra water when it gets hot.

Avoid: Swiss Bottle and other plastic lined bottles (you can't boil water in them)

Fish Mouth Spreader

Wait... why would I need this? Well it makes a dandy way of hanging your water bottle over a fire to boil some water.

Imusa Aluminum Mug 1.25qt

Big enough to cook in, and it nests with the 64oz water bottle. Plus they're cheap. You don't need fancy titanium gear that will warp over an open flame. Aluminum will do nicely.

Avoid: Overpriced titanium cookware, cheap heavy steel cookware

Ziplock Freezer Bags

Keep things dry in the rain, gather tinder and wild fruit, hold baitfish, they even make great emergency water carriers. Ultralight hikers use them for "freezer bag" cooking where you just pour boiling water over the food and seal until it cooks for mess free meals. Seriously, try it.

Esee Striker for Flint and Steel

This is really a luxury item but there's no better striker for flint, or quartz, or iron pyrite, or chert. Really if you can find an appropriate rock and tinder you can start a fire with this. It also doubles as a bow drill socket.

100% Cotton Shemagh

Tie the corners together to make a bag or a sling, wet it and wrap it around your neck to keep you cool on a hot day, use it to take hot pots off the fire, create shade, or even just use it for a little extra warmth at night.

Avoid: Synthetic fiber scarves and blends (they melt and catch fire easily)

Altoids

The tins are great for making char cloth for flint and steel, storing your fishing hooks or other small items. Plus the mints themselves will help cover up the taste of water purification tabs and they can be used to attract fish.

Walmart Lexan Cutlery

Yes, they're plastic and that's a good thing. Why? They're much more pleasant to eat off of than most metal camp spoons and they don't get hot and burn your tongue. Yet they also won't melt at even greater than boiling temperatures. Plus they're only about $1 per three.

Avoid: Overpriced titanium cutlery, sporks of any kind (They're just tongue stabbing spoons and this isn't Star Trek), light my fire spoons (they break).

#36 Tarred Bankline

Three strands of synthetic fiber that will hold over 300lbs, the individual strands can also be used for fishing or smaller chores. You can make snares, run trot lines, shelters, etc.

Unless you're willing to pay a premium for something like Titan branded 550 cord stick with bankline instead. The cheap stuff just doesn't hold up. The paracord/550 cord used in most survival lanyards is total junk that doesn't meet the military specs for 550 cord and most of it will break far far sooner than the advertised 550 lbs.

Avoid: Paracord, 550 Cord (Except Titan)

A Trowel

Light weight and cheap, good for digging holes and Dakota firepits. Don't leave home without it. Military style e-tools are way too heavy and have a tendency to lock shut if moisture is present. If you are hitting hard soil use a sharpened tree limb instead.

Avoid: Folding shovels (You aren't digging a trench, this isn't the Somme)

Mora Classic

You aren't Rambo, you don't need a huge knife. If you need to split wood or cut down a tree bring an appropriately sized axe. Usually they end up weighing the same as the bigger survival knives and are much more capable.

The Mora classics are great at carving and the carbon steel can be used to strike a spark in a pinch. They also hold an edge and are easy to sharpen.

Avoid: Ka-Bar Becker or other super large knives.

Folding Utility Survival Knife

I keep one on my keychain and one in my wallet. They're essentially folding razor blades. They're ultra light and you won't even know they're there until you need them. Just don't try and split wood with them.

MSR Aquatabs

Boiling water is one way to filter water in a pinch, but it is usually much easier to just throw in a few tablets and call it a day. The picture doesn't do them justice, each tab is 1/8th the size of an aspirin and will purify a quart of water. I keep a few in a freezer bag in case I don't have any other method of purifying water, the bag means I always have something to hold the purified water in.

They came in handy when my water bottle grew legs on a fishing trip (fucking Lake County tweakers will steal anything) and my choices were either go home or find another source of drinkable water.

Suunto A30-L

It's a compass, a good compass. The magnifying glass can be used to start a fire in an emergency and the fluid in the dial is actually flammable. Stick it in your pack, practice using it. You never know when you'll need it.

GPS units are great, but they use batteries and are susceptible to jamming. Some military bases send out a jamming signal for miles around to stop unfriendly forces from using GPS guided munitions to bomb them. The military base by San Francisco is a notable example.

Avoid: Digital Compass Watches (They don't stand up to much abuse and tend to be susceptible to interference.)

Harimb- I mean Gorrila Tape

Thick, black and hard to remove. You can patch kayaks, tents, ripped clothing. It's great. Doubles as medical tape.

Don't take the whole roll. Just wrap a few yards around a piece of fatwood or something and stick it in your pack.

Emergency Ponchos

They keep the rain off and can be done up as an emergency shelter in a pinch. Just tie the neck off and tie ropes to the corners to make a shelter. If yours doesn't have grommets wrap the corner around a small rock then tie your rope around the rock with a slip knot.

Avoid: Mylar emergency blankets (most of the time you just steam like broccoli instead of keeping warm)

Fresnel Lenses

Basically they're flexible magnifying glasses. Keep one in your wallet as an emergency fire starter that doesn't need any fuel and won't wear down like a ferro rod. Sure, they only work during the day but if you can get one fire going then you can set yourself up for the next fire much more easily. So you could make charred cloth or charred punkwood with your first fire or dry out some wood/kindling so that your next fire is much easier to start.

An emergency lighter

Two is one, One is none. Keep at lease one emergency bic stashed somewhere in addition to your other lighters. Keep it in your pack and never take it out. Trust me on this.

Original Mechanix Gloves

They hold up to intense abuse and protect your hands. They also might help keep your fingers from getting frostbite on a cold night even thought they're not insulated.

Last but not least, a 100% wool cap.

You can keep comfortable down to surprisingly cold temperatures as long as your head is dry and warm. And remember, always check the user name.

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PS: Haha, made you look. But seriously, remember to bring a wool beanie.

Just to be clear, these are great items but not a complete list of what to pack for an emergency. Sometime in the next few days I'll post my pack so you can see what I carry when I go hunting or fishing, because I bring different gear for both. For example, I bring a utility knife with hooked carpet blades when I go hunting but leave it home when I'm fishing.

Alright, you asked for it. Here's what I keep in my trunk: http://imgur.com/gallery/H1Mzp

I go fishing on Sunday starter pack.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yea that's way more than I would ever deem necessary. Unless you were doing a canoe camping/horseback trip. That's a lot of weight.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 1

Alright I've packed my trailer now how do I make sure I always have it for survival

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Lol, I was just thinking that he forgot to mention the horse-drawn carriage required to lug all that crap

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

+1 because that ABSOLUTELY made me look

9 years ago | Likes 73 Dislikes 3

As an ultralight backpacker, my back hurts looking at this.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Agreed. -From another ultra-lighter

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This isn't for hiking. You need a truck to pack all of the above.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Why all the hate for the fire starters? I read that you're supposed to have 5 different methods of starting a fire.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

And hate for weatherproof matches... wut. Get storm matches. They've worked for me in 10 beaufort on North Sea, the will work in a camp, lol

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Lighter(*2), flint striker, bow drill, magnifying glass(*2). If he really lugs all that stuff in the list, he's pretty covered.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I prefer fire pistons too.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 1

YES! every single time someone posts one of these I write that they should use sawyer mini instead of lifestraw! it's better in EVERY WAY

9 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 2

Agreed but I much prefer the larger sawyer over the mini especially if I'm out for weeks at a time.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Great info! I hope someone finds you soon

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Primitive Technology guy doesn't seem to have any of this :<

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Practical advice and a missing Cera...

9 years ago | Likes 388 Dislikes 12

I didn't check the username. Read the entire post. Stopped when I saw red. Almost cried. Now I don't know if I'm happy or sad.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

For now

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

That wool cap though...

9 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 0

But where is Cera? Off being photoshopped, then the cap added later?

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Cera is here.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

weird al

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You seem like a hoopy frood. You really know where your shemagh is.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I never leave home with out it. I must own like 42 of them.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

He's just this guy, you know?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hoopy is a noun, not an adjective.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There's a book you need to read. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20really%20hoopy%20frood

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I prefer to get my information about Douglas Adams from Douglas Adams. Educate yourself, or just continue being wrong. It's your choice.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Okay, dick, I was trying to be nice. From the book: https://books.google.com/books?id=bt0PEsYjj5IC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=hitchhiker%27s+guide+

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So you posted a link to a very large preview of the radio scripts?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Some of these items seem helpful for survival, but others are either trivial or have only one or two purposes. Cooking spray =/= survival

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

A tenkara rod can easily be replaced with a length of narrow branch.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yet your catch rate goes up with the tenkara rod and it only takes up 1oz in the pack.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

lol 1 oz, Ok. If you're fishing nymphs and streamers, you could easily hand line most streams in the US.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

For real, suntech and a few others make 1oz rods capable of hauling in decent sized fish.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd classify some of this as "camping gear" not survival gear. Ex: the Pam. In a survival situation this takes up space. Decent list

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Walking through the woods with a 64oz full water bottle and a Chimney stove alone is too heavy. Nevermind the rest of this stuff. Jeez.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

And yet... I did exactly that because it was the only way I was allowed to grill the fish I caught. I do have a pocket rocket clone stove.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

You can't just grill the fish over a campfire?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Not "survival" gear. This is "survive a weekend in the woods, then drive my hatchback back to the city" gear

9 years ago | Likes 56 Dislikes 11

From ultralighter to ultralighter what type of pack do you use?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is how I feel about pretty much every "survival kit" or "bug out bag" post, though.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

This. OP would probably end up dumping half of it after the first day of having to lug it anywhere on foot.

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 6

This is how I feel about pretty much every "survival kit" or "bug out bag" post, though.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Ugh, don't get me started on bug out bags. 99% of them try to be half backcountry backpacking/half tacticool operator yet terrible at both.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago (deleted Oct 21, 2024 11:41 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

That flashy first aid kit designed to treat front line combat wounds really makes it.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Actually it isn't that bad. I've packed everything (including the weber) on a ten mile hike with no issues.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

But as everyone on the AT says "hike your own hike" if you want to bring it forget about the haters. There is a lighter way though if you're

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No offense to you but 10miles is not that far. Do some 20s with that weight then come tell me how you feel.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Though I usually pack a canister stove just for ease of use and because there is such high fire danger here with the drought.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Interested check out: "Ultralight Backpackin' Tips: 153 Amazing & Inexpensive Tips For Extremely Lightweight Camping" by Mike Clelland

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

There's nothing wrong with investing in titanium if you want to, they certainly don't "warp over an open fire".

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

I have read that melting snow in Ti cups with no water added can warp the base. Havent tested myself though. I hate the cold.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Stainless steel is far better for camp cookware anyway

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I've been using the same titanium pot for years. Never had a warping issue from fire.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

To pack something warm that takes up little space, bring a cashmere or lambswool sweater. They're easy to find secondhand too.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This started as survival gear then just ended up as fishing gear

9 years ago | Likes 166 Dislikes 10

Agreed, there are some good more robust options than those mentioned. Good list though.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I see survival gear as small items you should put in a small backpack incase you get lost going on a hike. Not 11 herbs and spices

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

You can fit everything OP posted into or onto a backpack with room to spare. I would skip the chimney though.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If I have to eat a meal without condiments, I'd rather die.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

When I'm out I usually supplement my diet with fish and wild fruit so for me fishing is a part of survival and keeping me fed.

9 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 7

This is a decent list for basic camping gear, but food is not a priority in a survival situation. Survival gear should fit in a pocket.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Was thinking the same thing. Rule of 3's. You can survive ~3 minutes without o2, 3 days without h20, and 3 weeks without food.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's like saying going to the supermarket is part of my survival

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

When did lake ice or drought ever affect anyone's fishing? Never, obviously!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

Fishing is one of the best ways to stay fed in the forest

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

'Em ground fish are nutritious!

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Lakes rivers and streams bruh.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Groundfish are fish that live on, in, or near the bottom of the body of water they inhabit. Some typical saltwater groundfish species (1/2)

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Being outside doesn't qualify as a survival scenario buddy. We aren't THAT removed from nature yet. This is normal camping shit

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 7

Where do you even go for all this stuff to be needed?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

America.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So do you need a permit to camp and hike in these places?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I leave on my annual survival trip Thursday. I'm already fucking pumped.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I'm getting fucking pumped for you. Go pump nature hard my InterMet friend.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh ya. 5 nights, no tent, minimal food. Off the grid with a good buddy. Plus the meteor shower Thursday night.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Right on!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I have to admit that I love my Ka-Bar when camping.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

My dad used his for gardening. "Just enough knife" he used to say.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

agreed... Hell I can even chop down small trees with mine

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don't hate on Mountain House. You never tasted something so good with so little prep.

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I have...Korr...or just about any instant lunch.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Totally. I've used them backpacking and have about 25 in my earthquake/Trump gets elected kit at home.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Gotta agree with this, Mountain House meals taste so good. Just catch them on sale if you want to spend less.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

If you watch, you can usually catch a 10 pack for under $6/meal. Bargain.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They are pretty good. But I find its cheaper to just have pizza delivered by helicopter.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You must have Verizon. I never get reception in the back country.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oh I use a sat-phone. Even with those rates, its still cheaper than a Mountain House meal! ;) But in all seriousness, they are delicious.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Seriously, maybe one or two are similar to Knorr sides, but they are way more extensive than that. Ya you are wasting money, but not time.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Most notably, none of the Knorr sides have meat.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This is really the whole reason. Knorr sides are just that... sides. If you are fishing, thats perfect, but I bring all my calories in.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

And for so little weight (that's the important part)

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Sure I have. packitgourmet.com.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Lol. Well played. Can you recommend any of their meals in particular? My next trip is going to deplete my stash of MH.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Loved them all. Chick'n Dumplings great, all the burrito ones. The Tuscan stew great, get extra polenta. (1/2)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Gumbo + sausage + tin smoked oysters is fantastic. The refried bean|"burger" burritos are great lunches.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

For the money and space I just do knorr sides in a freezer bag or make my own camp food.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I have found it helps pouring it in a pother and making it like that. Just seams more like real food if it's not in a bag.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Pot*. Also if you are eating out of the bag I like to cut the top of lower so I can reach the bottom without climbing gear.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd like to see the size of his damn pack. But out and survival bags must be kept as light as possible.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Which one? My 3 day bag is only maybe 20lbs plus water and food.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

I tend to agree my AT back is around 18lbs with a liter of water and 5 days food and I always over pack food.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Damn. Adding that sawyer would be sweet for my camelbak. Being able to fill the pouch with any water would be awesome.

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I have one of their older larger units. It's great. It's inline on a platapus bag. I can scoop up a bag of water from a creek in 20 seconds.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Buy the adapter kit, you can plug it in as needed, or even turn it into a gravity filter to fill the bag.

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I've had that sawyer inline for my camelback for a while. It's great if I have to fill it with dirty water.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Hell, because it has charcoal in it, it even does a good job of removing the iodine/bleach taste from cheap purification tabs.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Do yourself a favor, and use it to fill with clean water - not drink dirty water from your camelbak. It'll stay cleaner.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

DO NOT PEE IN YOUR CAMELBACK

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Sawyer was actually forced to downgrade their stated filtration capacity after they were caught lying. Can provide proof later....(1/2)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

(2/2) then there's the issue with build quality, and the lie about what it filters. Go check out the critical reviews on Amazon to see.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've had a lot of problems with the Sawyer filter during my 5,000 mile backpacking trip. Unit ended up leaking very early on. Mixed feeling.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Keep in mind, the sawyer is mechanical filter only. To filter chemically you still need a carbon filter or similar.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

It takes out everything that matters unless you're drinking 5 feet from a dead animal or out of a pool of toxic waste.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

I have used the sawyer for a while now. I just got back from a 10 day trip in Alaska and took the Platypus GravityWorks 4 liter 1/

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It was a far better. It weighs very little and reduced the need to boil water for cooking so it saved on fuel weight too.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

See I have this platypus on my wish list. It seemed a little more suited to volume than the Sawyer.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I would strongly recommend it. The only issue with it is that the eyelets to hang it are a little weak. I fixed this by cutting 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

a 1"x4" piece of plastic and drilling holes to match up with the eyelets to relieve some stress from the bags. 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

+1 for the sawyer. Saved my ass in Costa Rica!

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Im going to Peru over xmas and new years, itd be pretty sweet to be able to fill my bag with tap water instead of bottled!

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Does this thwart against Montezuma's Revenge?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Absolutely, as long as it's from the water. Can't do much for that chimichanga you got from Pacos Tacos Truck...

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Mix it and pump it through the filter. Might work!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've got it. Love it. Get it.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Get one of the bigger (1mil gal vs 100k gal) rated ones- much better flow, very noticeable when you are not squeezing the reservoir

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There are a variety of gravity filter bags that are great for camping with a group, if a little large for true survival purposes.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Im only interested in small ones for travel though, so this would fit me perfectly. Its a tad on the expensive side though

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have a sawyer mini. Damn hard to get water through it. 32 oz bag takes a lot of work, like 20 min of squeezing continuously.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I think you're doing it wrong...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

No. It has a bag w it for carrying water. Squeeze/roll it up to get clean out.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No, I mean I don't find mine difficult at all. I've hiked... probably near 200 miles with it as my sole water source...

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Consider yourself lucky then.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I agree. I've used the mini for many backpacking trips. But I had to go back to my old regular sized Sawyer filter for the better flow rate.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

What, you cant suck water right through it?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You can, but it's hard. Not like my other filters. And squeezing bag through gets cooking water.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yes I bought the Sawyer exactly yesterday

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's only $20

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Try closer to $50

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They're $20. I've bought two. Just googled it. $20.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Uh huh. Im not american though. So its closer to 50.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's so great. Literally just fill up and go.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also ditch that "emergency" poncho get a real one that won't rip in the first 30 sec. Hell even a shitty blue wal-mart tarp would be better

9 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 0

For a long trip or when you expect rain, you want real rain gear, but having something light to carry on sunny day treks is a good idea.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

For an actual tarp I've got a BASE 1.0 Tube Tarp, way lighter than a wal-mart tarp and it is coated with mylar to reflect heat back at you.

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 4

The emergency poncho is for just that, emergencies. Hopefully if you were in a place where you were expecting rain you would bring a jacket.

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 4

Anyone ever actually used the "frogtogs" type rain gear? Is it any good?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The only thing I want to disagree with is the cotton blanket. Once that gets wet it's going to stay wet and be no use.

9 years ago | Likes 71 Dislikes 8

Cotton kills.... Nuff said

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Your talking about the shemagh? That's just a scarf not a blanket. I have a few and they are great to keep cool or warm

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

> survival gear >avoid synthetic fabrics, they melt. Yeah, polars and gore-texes melt. Just remember that and you're fine instead of

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

carrying a fucking wool, cotton fabrics that are a) heavy b) even heavier when wet c) stink after a week d) NOT (as) warm when wet

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

my pa is a high-mountain hiker (Alps, Dolomites, Ural, Himalayas). When synths came around he never looked back to woolen/cotton blankets

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Why are you harping about blankets? The shemagh is just a cloth for misc., not a blanket or towel.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

There were no blankets mentioned. I think that was just a square of cloth, like you might wear as a scarf or bandana.

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Oh, I've never heard the term used before and assumed it was blanketish in size

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

yeah, you can get a polyester one that will dry faster, though.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I pack a synthetic sleeping bag and a bivy sack. Or a 100% wool blanket for sleeping in. The shemagh is cotton for char cloth.

9 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 3

Still thinking that wool is the better option. I mean, maybe it depends on your season/environment, but wool > cotton, for me.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I found that synthetic ones tended to melt when taking things off the fire.

9 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 2

Yeah, for cooking reasons alone I would take it.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The three essentials: Folding pocket knife, a lighter, and iodine tablets.

9 years ago | Likes 787 Dislikes 14

I would have gone with a good multitool rather than a pocket knife, but that's just me

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

what about broadband internet?

9 years ago | Likes 100 Dislikes 3

First things to address: shelter, water, food. In that order.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And bourbon...

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Thought I was alone...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Only while drinking...

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Never heard of anyone here in sweden using tablets or anything to purify water. You can drink the water pure from pretty much anywere.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 8

Sverige är packat med rullstensåsar så... Norden är väldigt unik dock.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Do NOT try this in other parts of the world, great way to put yourself in the hospital.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Have friend with just a pump from the lake for all their drinking water.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's in Sweden. It's like that here too, but not everywhere.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You can drink the water in switzerland pretty much everywhere

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

FYI: even mountain lakes that have never been visited by any animal are often contaminated due to aur currents spreading spores from ranches

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

If i go hiking in the mountains i drink from every little stream... never had an issue. I just watch that i can see where it comes from 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

of the top of the peak and make sure no cows are grazing beside it. 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The point is that you can't see microbial contamination, and it comes from the air.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes i get that... just saiing around here it seems to be no problem

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bring a little vial of chlorine bleach for disinfecting water. One or two drops per gallon. It's what municipal systems use.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

In Boy Scouts they have the 10 essentials. I can't recall all 10 right now, but look them up online. They're fairly good.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And a compass, to prevent you from getting lost and helping to get to civilization when you need it

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I would no use a folding pocket knife, every time you hit it with a rock to make a shelter it will break,try something that can take a punch

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

What kind of knives are you buying??

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

A knife in a survival situation is far to valuable to risk hitting it with a rock.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Wait, why would you hit a knife with a rock to make a shelter?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yes to make a shelter, tools, items

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It works sort of like an axe. Put the blade into the wood and hit it into the wood with a rock. Repeat until log becomes 2 logs.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Id personally go with a fixed blade so you dont have to worry about the bolt failing on a folding knife

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 2

Unless you're hacking on a tree with a shitty cheap folding knife that won't happen

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That is a 100% non issue.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If you keep a folding knife in good shape you should be fine. Fixed are ideal but not by much.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

truth be told, Ive never owned a quality made folding knife, but Ive wrecked enough to know if youre gonna go cheap, take the fixed lol

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

You can do more with a fixed without fear of damaging mechanisms. More reliable. But in a pinch, whatever you have works.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There's a reason the Military uses fixed blades in their utility knives, they just work. Simplicity is key for anything you survive with.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Don't forget something to carry water, a flashlight, and some cordage.

9 years ago | Likes 358 Dislikes 11

Tea lights. save your lighter fluid.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Tea lights are great, but they tend to melt in the summer heat and get everywhere. I vacuum pack mine to avoid that happening.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

candles with harder wax would be way easier in a hot environment.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And your hotel room key

9 years ago | Likes 141 Dislikes 1

This guy. +1

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm not wrapping that gorilla tape around my fatlog. That will hurt hella bad ;)

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

*obligatory "dicks out for harambe"*

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

I never bring water backpacking. I carry an empty collapseable bottle, a filter, and tablets. Who wants to lug around 10lbs of water

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Anyone who plans on desert backpacking? 10 pounds is hardly 5 quarts, less if you count the container.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I don't go places where I am going to have to stay outside in the sand.i already lived in Tucson, I came to CO for a reason lol

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Honestly, it's better to have the option of lugging around 10 pounds of clean water. You can purify 10 pounds of dirty water afterwards.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I am confused. Can you elaborate in 140 characters?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You have the capacity to carry 10lbs of water. You can use the 10lbs first, then replace it from a water source for easier purification.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I agree those are helpful, but I assume in a real survival situation I'll be able to find plastic bottles in any ditch, clothes can be...

9 years ago | Likes 83 Dislikes 15

If you know what you're doing you can find cordage in nature. Natives to all regions did so for eons. This is a good write up.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

natives had TIME to make cordage, a 50ft of para 550 (yes cheap) is small and useful, its worth the 2oz it weighs,

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I fully agree and carry 550 myself. I was just stating that it can be made from nature as well.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

...made into cordage, and a flashlight is a luxury, especially if I have fire.

9 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 5

How will you see confession bear without a flashlight?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Good point. I would hope my fire gives off some light.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Oh he meant fleshlight, you're going to be lonely

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Where I go there are no plastic bottles, and a flashlight can do things a torch can't. Plus I'm not going to tear up my clothes for cordage.

9 years ago | Likes 112 Dislikes 7

A planned excursion? Yes, bring all the stuff. EMP blast while driving? Different scenario (which is what I was thinking).

9 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 5

Bugout bag

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have all of those either in my wallet or on my keychain, along with a fishing kit and some other extras. If we're talking about EMP 1/?

9 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 3

Newsflash: EMP blasts come with nuclear explosions in the real world, in which case the pulse is the least of your worries.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Where the fuck are you driving through?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You're no prepper. Bug out bags are your friend, one in the car, one at home.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We had it drilled into us to have dry matches instead of a lighter for wilderness survival. Especially the BIC kind in OP's post.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

In Ireland: Zippo with extra flint under the cladding & a firesteel striker; Leatherman Surge & 15cm serrated knife; Gortex poncho. (1 of 2)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

(2 of 2) Also, plenty of euro notes for when you inevitably find a pub.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You gain something, you lose something.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That's boy scouts for ya. Though, they never stopped us from using lighter fluid.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Lol. That they did not. Though I will say somehow we still ended up learning how to build a good fire. And then use lighter fluid anyways.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We learned lighter fluid first, then the "proper" way, then at around my last year I said fuck it and went back.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

i can build a fire using a striker, bow, matches etc, all skills learned in scouts etc. , but have been using a bic for the last 20+ years

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

That's where I learned all those too, but properly protected matches are almost no-fail. BICs can break. In a survival situation that's key.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

That's not to say they WILL break, or that I ONLY use matches in all situations (I don't), but for survival you have to take the odds.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

i always carry both, at least 2 match carriers and probably about 4 bics between all my equipment, i just appreciate the fact that you can

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

use a lighter hundreds of times before it runs out of fuel vs trying to keep that many matches dry

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

TOILET PAPER! Light, great firestarter, and you'll be cursing later on if you forget it. I'd replace the beanie with a sun hat as I'm in OZ.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

What plmshrddr said. Also, toilet paper is worthless in humid environments and soakage ruins it. Toilet paper has other good uses though :)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

tampon is better for that, doesnt take weight nor space, and you can use it to start a fire too, especially combined with a tealight candle.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Cool, but you'll be needing to actually go to the toilet at some stage ;) (not so much a 'survival' item, just a relief to have).

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

that's why i pack both, I actually responded mostly to the firestarting part :p

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

To be fair, if you have a vagina, tampons are a relief to have as well.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You can also use a tampon as a water filter. Just rig it so water comes in one way and the particles get trapped while it inflates to WHOOOA

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Survival? More like "fishing and camping trip"

9 years ago | Likes 380 Dislikes 54

True

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This list is ridiculous...

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 27

Dont know why this is downvoted. This list is silly to be called survival gear. This is camping shit

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 7

Yeah...gorilla tape? Pam? Tim foil? A fucking charcoal chimney?? I just got off the PCT. I would have dropped 3/4 of this shit after a day.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

A lot of people run into survival situation on short outings into the wilderness.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

catching fish will help you survive.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They're the same thing. What keeps you comfortable on a week's hike, keeps you alive if it takes you a month to find your way home.

9 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 6

The thing is, I'm not going to be comfortable carrying heavy duty aluminum foil and a charcoal chimney on a weeks hike.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

No, you're right. That's a luxury item. But one I wouldn't mind carrying.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Or a fucking cooking spray.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Pam and Paprika is in no way necessary for survival.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

True. The title of the piece could, with benefit, have been different.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But what if you run into a hostile transdimensional being whose only weakness is paprika? Thought of that, huh? HUH?!?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You got me there

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I picked a bunch of light weight and inexpensive gear that gives you a lot of flexibility to survive. Sure, it isn't super tactical 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 141 Dislikes 21

So you're saying I should take a charcoal stove, aluminum foil, and PAM on my backpacking trip this weekend? Sounds good.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

I'm saying that I take all of those items on my trips and that they're awesome for the things I do. I also have a MSR pocket rocket clone

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

So the things you do are drive your truck to the local river and fish? Maybe walk a mile in the woods if you're feeling really adventurous?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

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9 years ago (deleted Aug 9, 2016 5:48 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

It's "then" as in "then you have an issue" but it isn't necessary, just handy.

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 10

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9 years ago (deleted Aug 9, 2016 5:48 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I think you were that guy first...

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I'd say it's necessary if you don't want to spend time scraping fish out of whatever you cooked it in. It's light weight and a time saver.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Hey OP have you read Emergency by Neil Strauss?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I have. Although entertaining, mostly useless for survival unless you're a Hollywood-type with money

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No, what's it about?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

to spend procuring alternate citizenship. I recommend Tom Brown's Field Guide, which I learned about in Emergency, so there was that.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It seems to have tons of cool info that the author learned about over a period of a year or two. Pretty good read.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Info about survival stuff.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But it doesn't have to be overbuilt and heavy as hell to work in a survival situation. This is gear someone would actually carry and use.

9 years ago | Likes 133 Dislikes 14

I stopped carrying pam spray and I've started using dehydrated butter or canned butter, both work well.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Or ya know, you could leave 90% of that shit at home since we're talking about survival situations here. Not camping.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago (deleted May 9, 2017 6:47 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Definitely a mirror in that list lol

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

well played ....

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I also didn't include a first aid kit, condoms, a tarp, wool blankets, etc. It is cool stuff to have with you not an all inclusive list.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

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9 years ago (deleted May 9, 2017 6:47 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

That stove is pushing the limits of "carry and use in a survival situation". I'll grant you that you gave the disclaimer but it's very 1/?

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

To be honest I would rather have a bushbox xl, but it was almost $100 and the little ones didn't do what I needed. If I'm allowed 1/?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

I'd rather dig a dakota fire pit. If weight is an issue I've got a knock off MSR pocket rocket or my whisperlite international.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

bulky and heavy. Mylar emergency blankets are a very small and lightweight way to aid signaling for help, and I'll fight to the death on 2/?

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Try a CD instead for signaling, the hole in the center is good for sighting through. My tarp is actually reflective on one side an orange 1/

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

dry matches over BICs, which we were taught never, ever, ever to use. That being said...there's a lot of good info here OP. I like the 3/4

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Tweakers stole your water bottle while you were out in the middle of nowhere? No wonder you keep a razor blade on your key chain.

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Some of them took a few shots at me once. Fortunately, the only thing worse than their lifestyle choices is their abysmal shooting skills.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yep, and another time they attacked me because they thought I was a cop there to spy on them. It happens.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Tell me it wasn't Lake County, Florida.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Turns out, the most dangerous animal in the wilderness is another human.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Humans, Mr Anderson, are a disease. A virus.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Can you elaborate? Did you whoop some ass or what?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I was about to, then I stopped when I realized one of them was about 8months pregnant. Mostly I just yelled at them, but not her.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I am afraid to ask what a Tweaker is

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Thanks everybody. TIL something.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Meth head.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Someone on drugs who is very obviously high. You can tell by speech and body movements that are usually jittery.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It can be used to attract fish.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

No you idiot!!!!!! It's people who go around flicking people's nipples.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Usually it refers to meth addicts. So the woods are full of meth addicts... so have a great camping trip!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The hills are alive with the sound of music, and the woods are alive with the sounds of meth heads.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I think that's how it went.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0