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I am a sous chef at a one-Michelin starred restaurant and i believe this is something most people don't know or refuse to believe. If you think about this, it's really common sense; if your steak is stone cold in the middle then you're gonna have to overcook the outside to get the center medium rare. The steak on the left was cooked from cold, 40 degrees F. The one on the right was cooked from RT. Do you see the difference? There's a thick band of well done meat around the center of the left steak. The right steak is MR all the way to the edge with very little well done meat. And the picture doesn't even so it justice, it was much more prevalent in real life believe me. I cooked the cold steak (the left one) for a full 2 minutes longer as well. When you let the steak come completely up to room temperature first, there's less of a difference between the final temp and the initial one, which results in a large center of MR (or whatever temp you like) going all the way to the edge. You can tell a steak cooked from cold just by cutting into it. There will be a circle of MR in the center with a ring of medium around it and a ring of MW around that and then the sear on the outside. You want a big fat MR center with a nice hard sear on the outside.
Now every. single. fucking time I read a pro chefs suggestions on this they say "leave it out for 20 min to let it come to RT" Every fucking Chef says this. From Gordon Ramsey to Paula Deen to Chef boy-r-fuckin Dee. Bullshit! They MUST be saying that for legal purposes or something. Well not me guys! I'm gonna tell you the truth no one else will. here goes:
WE LEAVE OUR STEAKS OUT FOR HOURS!!!
It takes WAY longer than 20 min for any size steak to get to RT in the middle. At LEAST one hour, but 2 is better. ALL high end places do this.You think Mortons or Ruth Chris is cooking their steaks from cold? No way. I worked at a steak house that had one Michelin star in the past and 2 hours before service we would take the cart with all our steaks for the day on it out of the fridge 2 hours before service, so around 3pm. And they weren't put back until about 11pm. Granted we went through so much steaks it was unlikely that any on that original cart were still there. We'd pull more from the fridge around 6 or 7 and those were the ones to get put back.
The FDA guidelines say no more than 4 hours in the "danger zone" (that's between 40 and 140 F). But they also say that cooking your steak to MR is illegal so take it how you will.
Go ahead and tell me it's gross and if you feel sketchy about it at home then better safe than sorry right? But we use VERY high quality meat that we butcher ourselves and the turn over is very high so there is very little chance of the steak becoming contaminated with food-bourne bacteria that will make you sick.
Leaving a steak you bought from Safeway out for 5 hours might not be smart. You don't know when it was cut from the loin or how long it's been sitting there or how many trucks it's been on since the cow got slaughtered. I've actually met the farmer who raises the cows for the beef we get. Super nice guy and when he comes it to eat he doesn't pay for a thing.
The meme might be a bit overkill to be honest, it doesn't HAVE to be RT. But I promise you'll get a much better steak this way, weather you want rare, MR or medium. If you like MW or well (and its fine if you do I wont judge you, well not out loud or in writing at least, lol) then you might actually be better off cooking it from cold.
Hope this helps and that you'll find it interesting fellow imurgians!
TL;DR A steak needs at least an hour to come to RT and while it'll result in a better steak for sure, don't do it if it makes you feel squeamish
EDIT*** PLEASE READ: Honestly guys, I never even would have preformed this experiment if it wasn't for you. I've been wanting to do this forever for my own benefit but never got around to it. But I've been getting so many messages from people encouraging me and telling me they appreciate what I'm doing and that they want more. It really means a lot to me and if I don't respond to your PMs please don't be upset. I get a lot and don't have time for them all but when you guys tell me this kind of stuff helps you it means the world to me. Thank you all so much and I hope you know that even if you disagree with me that I still think each and everyone of you guys rock!
Grindtown
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Bobbolobb
Lol you work at a Michelin star restaurant but think Morton's is a good steakhouse
ImNotAnActorIJustPlayOneOnTV
One simple trick...health inspectors hate it.
HadMeSomeChickens
Or you could just reverse sear, which actually brings the internal temp of the steak up, and does it much quicker.
TheGhostofCarrieFisher
You forgot something.
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SLAANESHonNSFWposts
The left one looks like it's barely Cooked in the center, I'll take two please.
GigavoltFox
This sites goes from "live and let live" to "there's only one way to enjoy steak" way too fast
CephalopodLodge
Especially when i say i like mine well done
kelpsie
"meme"? Excuse me?
emolta
Every household should have access to sous vide cooking. Just saying <3
LordDeSeis
Can I start judging people who like MR or M steaks for no reason? It's tiring being on the receiving end of pointless hate.
Pha1lor
What do you think about sous-vide? I work in a high-quality catering company in germany and we recently started using a sous-vide for /1
Pha1lor
our Roastbeef and the difference is amazing. Its basically MR all the way. A few secs on high temp in a pan and it's perfect!
talesin
Absolutely love my SV. Makes cooking for a crowd easy too, when all you need to do is sear to finish.
StarryPlough
Or just get a sous vide and cook them properly without any of this bollocks
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StarryPlough
Nice! Cast iron will get you a good sear but with thick steaks like that it doesn't matter so much. The wire across the top is a good idea
respectabledan
Food Lab says the results are negligible
ArchangelArtist
I Cook mine frozen! Lots of oil and butter and hi temp! Then into the oven for 10 minutes at 200° C . Always perfect results.
TheNLK
I've tested it myself. 2 Inch steak from fridge vs room temp. Cooked the exact same, no difference in temp after resting, or coloration.
TheNLK
Also tested the don't salt your eggs before cooking theory. Makes no difference what so ever, even if you let the eggs sit salted for hours.
CarrotSharpener
Letting a steak sit for even two hours does almost nothing to the internal temperature. OP's full of shit.
CarrotSharpener
http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/06/the-food-lab-7-old-wives-tales-about-cooking-steak.html
CarrotSharpener
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/lifestyle/2013/09/steak-myths/
CarrotSharpener
http://simmerandboil.cookinglight.com/2016/06/09/why-do-you-bring-steak-to-room-temp-before-cooking/
NameUser10
Pffft. Only 1 Michelin Star
ChickenSpin
Hey, you didn't cook those steaks long enough. There's still red on them. Toss them back in the oven, k?
Visser3
I won't downvote you because you are entitled to your opinion but I certainly will not upvote you.
wagex
im going to have to ask you politely, yet firmly to leave.
imjustlookingatpictures
boy i tell you what
Snuggles420
Food lab guy tested this. Left the steak out for an hour and the internal temp only moved 2 degrees or something.
LRRoo
Lol Michelin star chef and are falling for this old wive's tale? Letting a steak come to room temperature doesnt do jack shit.
LRRoo
https://www.seriouseats.com/2013/06/the-food-lab-7-old-wives-tales-about-cooking-steak.html
LRRoo
Just like with flame touching meat, you dont know what you are talking about, and being a chef in a restaurant doesnt make you right.
Sevulturus
I just sous vide mine now.
bonemealtrapdoor
I prefer it that way. Nice sear on the outside, still frozen on the inside.
Okiegoon
Like microwave burritos.
Pilotdog68
Or toaster strudel.
SirCasemIII
I'm just gonna go the lazy heathen route and just get my steak well done.
futuremonkey
SirCasemIII
That's why it's the lazy heathen route. But hey, at least it's a good workout for the jaw.
wsbother
I also love cooking shows that caramelize onions in 10 minutes.
uptaco
Slice, wrap in tin foil with salt, pepper, red pepper flakes (if you like a little spice), and worschester sauce. 1/2
uptaco
Throw on high heat grill, flipping every couple minutes. They'll be delicious and caramelized-ish in about 10-15 minutes.
CrazyGuyOnABike
When I do french onion soup, it's a two-to-three hours long process.
uptaco
You're also atypically cooking down a lot more onions for soup vs. a steak topping.
arrbos
You can shortcut the process somewhat by doing a giant cauldron of caramelized onions, and freeze the result into trays. Very handy.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Will try this next time. Seems handy for quick meals, provided freezing doesn't ruin the flavor.
arrbos
Do try. I personally love being able to throw the cubes into things as I make them for a little extra sweetness. Sauces for instance.
Goodmerlinpeen
I don't mean to be unappreciative, but this only really needed the title and a few words for why, the steaks don't even look that different
mousemarie94
Do you even eat steak, bro?
Goodmerlinpeen
I'm Australian, ill steak you under the table
liquidbeef
But saying fucking fuck FUCK FUCKING FUCK a million times is just so cool and really drives that one point home
vuickb6
And it actually makes people believe your BS!
imjustlookingatpictures
It makes a huge difference actually. But you can't see it in a picture. I let mine sit out to room temp and its awesome.
talesin
You must be blind.
Mikehippop
Unless are making steak tartare. In that case, go nuts.
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Mikehippop
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/taste-raw-meat-may-have-helped-shape-human-evolution-180958371/
Prinzka
You think it only takes a few centuries for humans to evolve. After tens of thousands of years drinking milk into adulthood the vast 1
Prinzka
Of people are still lactose intolerant.
MagicVuedoo
No respectable restaurant will serve raw steak. Anyone can sue and win in the United States. FDA, internal temp = 145, or no go.
tonightisanightfordrinking
Lol what the fuck reputable plenty of places serve tartare. In fact, it's one of my favorite dishes ever.
MagicVuedoo
Just remember that if you ever get sick eating it there. No belly aching about how they did you wrong...
tonightisanightfordrinking
I'm not certain you understand foodborne illness.
Mikehippop
https://foursquare.com/top-places/new-york-city/best-places-tartare
MagicVuedoo
I know this is old but - http://articles.latimes.com/1998/feb/18/food/fo-20193 Personally, if I was a small operator, I wouldnt serve it.
Mikehippop
I'm just saying, it is a perfectly viable dish, it is legal in many states, and several very respectable 5 star restaurants serve it.
MagicVuedoo
I agree. I like my steak ran through a warm room. I just dont know if I trust a restaurant to do it...
OffaHartungCosmos
Health inspector imgurian here. @op says FDA guidelines allow for 4 hours in dagnerzone. TRUE, but food MUST be thrown out after. 1/?
vuickb6
You, I like you.
OffaHartungCosmos
It's 6 hours if you keep it under 70 [depending on state]. Scientifically speaking even if steak or chicken is 60 all night if you cook 2/?
marabugg06
Non-chefs: if you get a steak to room temp and don't cook it, maybe freeze and save to use in something where the meat gets cooked through?
OffaHartungCosmos
But that doesn't mean it's unsafe.@op says that steaks are illegal to cook MR. FALSE steaks are a whole cut of meat and only need to be 4/?
OffaHartungCosmos
The raw meat correctly you won't get sick. I remember an FDA trainer arguing with my state health director. We have to discard it 3/?
OffaHartungCosmos
Seared on top and bottom because the bacteria can't get to the center unless it is ground [comminuted]. Also there is no receiving temp req.
xxxDeathByFartsxxx
Super helpful! Thank you!
Iwipestandingup
So you work with the Michelin man?
ICanBelieveItsProbablyMargarine
Dont forget to give your meat a good ol rub
babelincoln27
yeeeeah boy
JohannVonTittySprinkles
HavocCurse
I do so hourly. Oh, would you look at the time.
MrS1lkySm00th
Marinate or dry rub?
JakeTheGinge
UncleGus
Hot and eh-spicy meat....
Blackcoog
Mrdaihatsu
Frau Blucher!
thrashedbarrier
He he he yeah boy
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
*Ye, boi
fisop20
Stop being a Smartass Cunt
waudey912
Bit rude
aalcoholism
Raphogotthemboth
Hilarious :D
degenerator
Buff the ball to a high sheen.
Checkingusername
Do I bring it up to RT before rubbing it?
ICanBelieveItsProbablyMargarine
ElectrikPhil
masterhorus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQCo9fLYWI
Breginor
I was looking for this one. Thanks.
Barrum
"They say cooking your steak to MR is illegal" ok, no they don't, now I have to fact check the rest of your crap for other exaggerations
FearlessFapper
In some states and canada it is illegal (and ignored)
EverythingDynamite
NerdPreferred
Bacteria growth like 40F and above. Sounds like a health code violation to put 8 hour old steak back in the fridge. Good way to get listeria
Barrum
Sounds like, sure. But I don't base legality on what it sounds like. Just cite a source for crying out loud.
chefsoda
Ground beef however, has rules against mid rare in many parts of the US. The pathogenic load however, is incredibly much greater than steak.
fingerMyChocolateBox
Pathogenic load? That sounds like something entirely different...
chefsoda
Basically, there is bacteria on the surface of all meat, but searing it kills almost all of it, while the center is protected. (1/2)
chefsoda
Ground beef has surface area folded in on itself repeatedly, forcing pathogens into the meat, making it impossible to kill with outside heat
Barrum
Agreed, but we aren't dealing with ground beef here, so this point is kinda irrelevant
chefsoda
Correct, but folks were misapplying the rule for ground beef to whole muscle meat, which was my point.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Depends where you live. Some states make it illegal. Even where it's legal the menu usually has to have a disclaimer on it.
Barrum
First of all, the FDA is a federal agency, so it's not a state-by-state thing. Secondly, I'd like to see a cite to the state law you list.
adobesubmarine
I don't know if that's a legal requirement, or a common tactic to head off potential litigation.
pookieeatworld
Both, probably...
BattleMercy
In some states, it is illegal, for example, my state (North Carolina) it's illegal to serve rare or medium rare meats
Barrum
Cite? Cause this sounds like a law that applies solely to ground beef.
Sprixxen
Only burgers (ground beef) is illegal to serve MR. Specifically NC has a "Rare burger ban". Eat your steaks however you like.
BattleMercy
Ooooh, I didn't know that, always just heard it as R/MR meats, which is fine, since they serve all as request anyways
MagicVuedoo
Remember McD getting sued for spilled hot coffee? Well, MR is 145. FDA guideline is 145. Do you want to get sue? So, in a way, yes, illegal.
Barrum
You have a very, very, very limited understanding of the McD's case and disclaimers... also the meaning of "illegal" and "guidelines"
PuckerUpButtercup
Medium rare is 110 to 120
arrbos
oh, F. jesus murphy you guys are weird
MagicVuedoo
Really? http://www.pritzkerlaw.com/ecoli/e-coli-lawsuit-5-reasons-to-sue/ecoli-from-steak/ They dont think so...
arrbos
Yeah, I was just like, why the hell would you put a steak up to 145C ... oh ...
MagicVuedoo
Personally, I like my steak ran through a warm room but never would I serve it to someone who paid me to cook it. People are too sue happy.
GigavoltFox
When McD's got sued, it was because the coffee was being served @ around 200ºF, and they had multiple infractions by the famed lawsuit
MagicVuedoo
Who spilled it on her? Was it McD? Read this and get back to me - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants (1/2)
MagicVuedoo
It wasnt about fact. It was about skewing of the fact. People wanted "hot coffee" and everyone was serving "hot coffee".
GigavoltFox
Once you go beyond the FDA suggested temp, you're not selling what consumers interpret as "hot coffee," just near-boiling fluid
mousemarie94
They got sued because the woman needed SKIN GRAPHS and they refused to pay for her medical bills.
MagicVuedoo
Question. Why should they when it wasnt McD or their rep that spilled the coffee?
mousemarie94
They got sued because the woman needed SKIN GRAPHS and they refused to pay for her medical bills.
MagicVuedoo
Would you sue the condom manufacturer if you use a condom that was purposely sabotage by your partner and got pregnant?
GDSTEVE
Goddamnit Steve! You are correct! Now show us how to cook a "blue" steak...the best way to eat beef!
jarldg
I love black and blue steaks, however not when they're aged. The fat in aged beef is broken down and needs to melt to be appreciated (MR).
agisfab
Yes! I raise a toast to my fellow blue steak lovers. Which sounds way dirtier than it is.
humblegrumblebee
YES! I'M NOT ALONE!
OGkilroy
Blue waffles too!
LurkerMcLurkface
Blue steak, best steak! http://imgur.com/XSHJrae
catznstuff
Don't you find it a bit chewy? I love the taste though.
GDSTEVE
Goddamnit Steve! Not if it is a goofdream filet!
inaplasticcup
And don't forget:,after it's cooked: DO NOT PUT A KNIFE ANYWHERE NEAR IT FOR AT LEAST 5 MINUTES. Leave that fucker the fuck alone.
gamlingcs
I let it sit for ~10min, but my tiny ass apt fills up with the scent of steak and goddamn is it like torture.
grandmastonguekiss
I usually eat it while its still on the grill. I guess that how I got the nickname "no eyebrows Barry". I hate that nickname
januskincaid
And if you're really doing it right, it's the same principle as scrambled eggs. If it's done in the pan, it's overdone on the plate.
januskincaid
I prefer to cook it to rare, tinfoil that bitch for about 15 minutes, then it's perfect.
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
For those who want to know: the gaps in the meat which store the sweet and bountiful fluids close up when exposed to the cold. Which 1/*
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
Stops it pissing out all over your crispy steak chips (fries for Trumpians) and A: makes it cut nicer, B: makes it taste better than 2/*
DownvotesMakeMeMoist
Jesus's own sweet milky honey, and C: stops your chips (aka fries) getting soggy AF in the process. I HOPE THAT HELPS. 3/3
Bregfret
You EAT steak?! I just rub it on my body and growl at the other diners...
inaplasticcup
I usually cook two: one for eating, the other for erotic rubbing/growling.
NeverGetsTheNuke
I just rub myself on the other diners and growl at the waiter.
Bregfret
Hahahaha rotflmao. You got me...
MetaSomma
Never go full hahahaha rotflmao
Apercu
Honestly, 5 minutes is a bit short... I'd say give it at least 10-15 minimum if you're cutting it yourself. Just cover it loosely with foil
inaplasticcup
you're probably right, but for most people 5 minutes is 5 minutes more than they were doing. Baby steps and all that
itellyouhwhatthatboyaintright
And if you don't want to wait 1- 2 hrs to RT then just stick it in the microwave for a good 2 minutes and viola http://i.imgur.com/UN06Bcb.
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mastertang
I love you
itellyouhwhatthatboyaintright
Rogerdogerdangerduck
This has an appropriate amount of fucks. You sir have worked in a kitchen.
inaplasticcup
how did you guess? :D
azabethsiege
From Marcus Wareing: 'if you order steak in a restaurant and it comes out piping hot, it's a bad restaurant'
SchrodingersDictator
How do you keep it from getting cold? 130 degrees in the middle cools down quickly.
adjacentengels
Put the steak on a plate that has been warmed in the oven and tent with foil (or another plate). It won't lose heat as quickly.
theconstermonster
I dunno sometimes i cant wait whats to lose if the first few bites are a little extra rare
WookieWookieWookie
It loses moisture if you cut it open before it rests.
fevertrees
Letting it rest afterwards is about letting the meat reabsorb its juices instead of them running out onto the plate when you cut it too soon
LittleDragon
But I like licking the juices off the plate.
dannyboyred
Always thought the rule of thumb for resting a steak is roughly half the cooking time. Works for me.
adjacentengels
Depends on cooking method. Sous vide cooks for 1-2 hours, reverse sear can be 20-45 minutes in the oven. Thickness of steak also matters.
baikinmon
"Food" for thought: http://amazingribs.com/tips_and_technique/mythbusting_resting_meat.html
PascalsBookie
it may be the case that the explanations for resting are wrong, but i've done the pepsi challenge, and the rested meat was more tender
vuickb6
They also have an article on letting come to room temp. Very good website with experiments to back up their claims.
yeahIbreedtreelizards
Amazing ribs is awesome. Cannot argue with facts.
SonicGamer88
Uhm, yea I will take the word of top chefs around the word over BBQ Bill and his spammy website.
instantbeetle
I will take the word of I've done both and don't notice a difference and I'm the one eating it so fuck top chefs.
ckviper
Yes. Make sure it rests for at least a quarter of the total cooking time! (5 minutes, for 20 minutes of cooking)
Somanyquestions
What? But I'm done eating it by then!
tacosforeverymeal
It gives time for the juices to reabsorb into the animal cells. Worth it! Cover the meat with foil for 5 minutes before cutting.
vuickb6
Please stop.
tacosforeverymeal
moist
jizanthipussss
PrincessAris
How do you know if the steak is done if you don't look inside?
Rkhbusa
The steak will begin to bleed when it hits mid rare gauge your cooking time from there on.
tarataqa
put...put yo dick in it
BillPondy
You can tell how done a steak is by feel
catwilsonaz
Use a thermometer. Remove from heat at the following temps: 130°=rare; 140°=med. rare; 150°=med; 160°=just don't
SarcasticComment
Practice and touch for the most part. If you are worried, invest in a $10 electric meat thermometer to take out the guess work.
LSUguy
Pinch your thumb and pointer together, when you touch the muscle where your thumb is the meat should be the same pressure/feel as your hand
LSUguy
pointer + thumb= medium rare, middle fing= medium, ring fing=medium well, pinky= well done.
acliberti
Cool, slightly cannibalistic, but neato.
LSUguy
@DrewSf29 please correct me if I'm wrong
MetaSomma
Nope you nailed it
xheroth
CaptainOHagan
Read this: http://www.seriouseats.com/2009/12/how-to-have-juicy-meats-steaks-the-food-lab-the-importance-of-resting-grilling.html
WhiteTexan
short explanation - locks in the flavor
inaplasticcup
love that gif. Also, yes, what they ^^ said
HadMeSomeChickens
You really don't have to unless it's slow cooked to a high temp http://amazingribs.com/tips_and_technique/mythbusting_resting_meat.html
ByThePowerofCommonSense
Going to have to go with Kenji on this one
shinobiswords
The juices need time to coagulate into the fibers of the meat, so all those yummy flavors stay in and not out on the plate/cutting board
Redstrife
Boohoo, I'm going to eat it straight away cos I'm hungry beehotch
uptaco
Letting the meat rest for 5-10 minutes ensures the juices to reabsorb into the meat. Ever cut in and have a plate full of blood? That's why.
Grubenwolf
I'll just soak it up when it's on my fork. If theres a steak in front of me no way am I going to just sit there and wait for it. I'm hungry.
uptaco
Just throw some tinfoil over it and gently fold around it after it's come off the heat.
chaoguy2006
I always end up with the steak (or any meat) going cold if I leave it to rest- even in a warming drawer. More Tinfoil?
uptaco
Maybe. I usually only use one sheet without issues. If we've had a bit to drink, sometimes we lose track of time and wind up with cold meat.
uptaco
You can also try putting it, tinfoil and all, into the microwave. Might help you retain that heat.
ChiefMasterAirmanFirstClassSelectInCharge
If your plate is full of blood you have bigger problems. (that red stuff isn't blood, but myoglobin)
uptaco
Sorry, I was using a common misconception to relate. Apologies for the confusion.
CheflyOne
I've explained this a lot in my day. Think of blood as a cocktail in which Myoglobin is one of many ingredients, and not a dangerous one.
mentallychallengeaccepted
Actually it's not blood though.
DrakeRamorayMD
It's myoglobin
uptaco
Sorry, I was using a common misconception to relate. Apologies for the confusion.
mentallychallengeaccepted
I just wanted to let you know as a fun fact!
SarcasticComment
Technically true, but hearing someone ordering their steak "bloody" is not uncommon.
mentallychallengeaccepted
I know, I just wanted to keep the fun facts going. Not meaning to be an asshole :)
squishybaker
explain that to the fuckers who want it as soon as they order.
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redstoneage
Explain that to me. I'm uncultured and want to eat better steak
GerberLegalTeam
It lets the meat reabsorb the juices so they don't leak out when you cut it
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squishybaker
while it does, you always get that one person who'll complain it's tough and dry even though it's only came of the grill a few seconds ago.
TechnicallyRight
They also order medium well and think its supposed to explode with juice like MR
oryngton
Tell them to wait for their excellent meal or fuck right the fuck off.
caveman42
Then tip the waitress for bringing the meal, and get mad at the kitchen for taking too long. Right?
inaplasticcup
"You can have your steak when it's fucking ready, or you can fuck off to burger king"
istealthepixelsfromreposts
Can i get pickles and a hamburger bun with my steak?
inaplasticcup
FUCK. NO. NO. NO. NO. FUCK NO.