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alwaysupvotefuturama
G-O-G! G-O-G!
zeroexistence
All those games done by crowdfunding and suddenly becomes epic exclusives. well, IMO, those devs don't deserve your money, at all.
ItTookMeForeverToMakeThisAccount
It's not nice to beat the mentally handicapped
Sm9yCg
Epic fucks over the market, fools the customers and falsely claims that valve's price is their drive. Fuck those liars.
beaubrent
Dozens of streaming sites, game platforms. It is too much, now I hate everything.
Sauroctonus
I just want to buy something and have it. I don't want to lose some thing I bought because a server or a whole company died.
FirstAidPoetry
It’s not that I think Steam is so great...but it is miles better than Epic, which is so ridiculously half baked at this point.
Sokonomi
I mean, who needs a shoppingcart, or reviews, right?
Sauroctonus
It's not like user feedback ever improved a game, right?
Durdenuta
Who wants to buy games from a Chinese malware Distributor.
onecowboytoo
I buy games and books from Humble Bundle
NNextremNN
Too bad all they sell are Steam Codes and rarely anything without DRM anymore.
onecowboytoo
I mostly get books. I don't game much. I did just buy some Metal Gear games. I think I might have bought Kerbal. I know it was on sale.
Ulthirm
I buy from GMG, am I that weird guy on the bench or something?
MetalheadCobra
If someone interested, those girls are mascots for r/animemes. Yes, they were specifically created for a subreddit.
MurdocTheGreat
Hey, don't hurt the mentally disabled
betterthanbardockbrolyandbeeruscombined
Thank god I played metro on a PS4 pro!!!
Crazycoke1994
Epic store exclusive wouldn't be bad if they did the fucking deals way before the game's announcement and release desination like metro exo.
wiccasick
New GOG let's you buy from all the stores
TheReclamation
The best part about the Epic launcher? You can't adjust bandwidth limitations and boi is it a hog.
Ulthirm
Manually do it then, with a program like this https://www.netlimiter.com/
Ulthirm
Now I'm not defending EGS but you know, theres an option for you to try.
CanadianPeaceMaker
I want to know where the meme template for this is.
ASolitudeGuard
The template is the mascots (and one runner up for the mascot) of r/animemes on reddit. @OP’s entire profile is pretty much reposts from it.
CanadianPeaceMaker
Ah! Thank you!
Martellus
I’m fine with having another DRM. But the thing is, they’re an ass with these exclusives. Plus Tencent is quite shady.
TheFastpaws
Tencent is based in China. Shady is an understatement.
scnottaken
Oh it's tencent. That explains the bs
OrC23
Everyone is dealing with Tencent these days. Or another equivalent.
eldorel
It's not just Tencent. There have been multiple account compromises and data leaks thanks to issues with Epic's store and launcher.
SeismicCoin
i cant use epic anymore because my account got hacked and they refused to help me out, so i just abandoned it all. cant access it anymore. >
SeismicCoin
i dont really feel to motivated to make another account after that, either, if you even can.
eldorel
Just one recent example: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/16/fortnite_security_vuln_token_theft/
sevenfingerman
wtf is gog?
AlCoolAJ
The best place to buy versions of popular 90s-->Today games that are compatible with modern OS for really cheap! Almost always DRM free
Jarjarthejedi
Good old Games. Used to be a platform for decade old games, now sells current stuff too.
CeruleanK
Stands for "good old games" because their first focus was keeping older PC games available. Became a release platform exactly like Steam.
IAmDrBanner
A nice platform that started selling older (and often optimized) games without a DRM. It is also working with modern games after recent /1
IAmDrBanner
success. It is pretty good and reliable. /2
Lilly64
Good Old Games. Made by CD Projekt Red (Witcher devs). Focuses mostly on old games, all titles old and new are DRM free.
TehGuard
Misconception, not made by witcher devs, more like a partner company
causality
GoG was founded by CD Projekt in 2008 as a wholly-owned subsidiary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com
SeismicCoin
theyre even in the same building, not that that really means anything.
eldorel
gog dot com, used to be "Good Old Games". They're a mostly DRM free games store.
DieselWolf
Not mostly. All their games are DRM free.
eldorel
That's their marketing shtick, yes. However there are several games on the store that have various DRM and online requirements now. (1/2)
eldorel
Age of wonder 3, Victor Vran, and Defcon are three that I can think of. There were a few lists on the gog forums, but they've been removed.
eldorel
Found a newer list: serials numbers or online activation > https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_games_with_serial_numbers/page1
Valkor
yeah but Satisfactory is amazing
Voltcat
It seems really good, but not "I get another platform" good.
rpgmjay
Current addiction. Awesome with a small team of OCD Megalomaniacs helping you recreate Avatar (minus the murders and the romance)
KronaSamu
The only game I will ever buy on epic. I just couldn't resist. And I'll buy it again as soon as it's on steam
TheHawkRules
If it comes out on a launcher that hasn’t admitted to having absolutely zero systems to prevent info theft, I’ll check it out.
TheHawkRules
I’d link an article, but all you really have to do is google Epic Games Security and you’ll get a bunch b
eldorel
It is. And I can't wait till I can buy it from a store that isn't a security and customer service nightmare...
DickMercenary
Just pirate it until it comes to Steam.
eldorel
I refuse to inflate the piracy numbers so that they can claim the lost sale is due to piracy instead of epic.
TehGuard
I couldn't get into it, felt too much like a shallow 3d factorio, I need depth
Valkor
well it's a good thing it isn't trying to be Factorio. inspired by, very much so, but otherwise quite different.
purgethefilthyheretics
I hear that game is very popular with autistic people
GrandProtectorDark
That's a bad thing why?
purgethefilthyheretics
I don't believe i ever even implied that it was a bad thing.
Nuubopotamus
See I couldn't get into factorio because of the super odd recipes for things like the sciences. To each their own I guess.
Alloftheusernamesaretakenforreal
The recipes did you in? Of all the reasons, that's what got you?
Nuubopotamus
That and the color palette, yeah.
KronaSamu
It is early access. Also it's not very similar to factorio
KronaSamu
Idk who is downvoting, I've played tones of both games and they are very different. Change my mind
TehGuard
So is factorio. Also the single map kills it for me, no variation in different playthroughs
KronaSamu
Sounds like you just lack creativity.
GentlemanScientist
There's been three maps since the early access launch, and all of them are freaking huge.
IDontActuallyHaveUsername
Satisfactory has a single map with 3 different spawns. The map is huge though
shabooba
One of the two games I bought there. Other was the new Metro... didn’t really stand up to Last Light
buttbuttpartywagon
Yeah something about moving it to the overworld just didnt do it for me
GentlemanScientist
Outer Wilds man, if you like exploration it's so good.
Brotatofield
Would be much better if they didn't mess with console launch schedules.
sophitia
These assholes probably destroyed any possibility of a Shenmue 4.
TotallySaneScientist
Idgaf about exclusives, but don't buy out a game that's already set to release on another platform.
Heita
at least they don't buy from *shudders* G2A
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
You don't buy from G2A. You pirate it before you consider buying from G2A, as wished by devs.
LetumComplexo
The only thing I’ve ever bought from G2A is my Windows license.
LetumComplexo
Because I’m not paying $100 for a shitty OS just so I can play games.
IndAldre
Linux has actually come a long way though, especially with Steam Proton and Lutris. I've switched completely, only had to give up Apex.
Dukenukemx
Why not? I do it all the time.
L0RDSKELET0R
I only buy ubi and EA games on g2a. Use that as a case file in your fancy ethics class.
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
I honestly think even EA don't deserve the G2A treatment, and Ubisoft is way better than them, Activision-Blizzard and Bethesda.
Matrican
Even myself that hate EA with a passion, don't want to give a cent to G2A. Also heard about the whole siphon of cash they got going?
Matrican
If you got cash on the account for G2A, they will take cash from it because of inactivity. So they are forcing you to use it or stay.
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IAmDrBanner
G2A is so shitty that developers have literally said they would rather people pirate their game than buy from G2A.
yepwatermelon
They literally charge you an inactivity fee for not purchasing.
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
The irony of the user name.
Agisek
that you are basically stealing income from the devs
Heita
G2A's games are resold from usually stolen sources. when a stolen credit card is reported, it is up to the developer to refund. However(1/2)
drzdeano
Source?
Heita
When refunded, the keys are not invalidated. meaning the Dev LOSES money for every purchase. it's essentially worse than piracy (2/2)
Heita
so I urge that everyone who uses G2A, to stop. If you don't wamt to pay full price, don't use sites like G2A. Piracy is the better option.
MrDaMann
Where did I pirate that is quick and easy (FYI I don't use g2a)
lavendergirl
andrathor
Piracy with integrated multiplayer. Sign me up. Oh wait....... no.
CerealForBreakfast
Even the devs would rather people pirate their games than buy them from g2a. No seriously. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3hBXtrpikqA
floxsyu
Also recommend watching the episode from Inside Gaming(funhaus on youtube) they do an interesting/informative explanation of a few things.
DeliveryBoyPhillipJFry
Nice try laurence, i already did watch it.
Sheepdroid
Lawrence.. come on.
floxsyu
Matrican
I mean. I bought games there way back when they started up. Many youtubere and Twitch streamers were sponsored by them so they seemed
Matrican
Like a good company... That was until I got the key. And I shit you not. Picture that was taken, using a shitty phone of the insiders of a
Matrican
Game case which showed the key. The key worked... But I have never seen something more shady. If I find it in my emails. I Will post it.
GrandProtectorDark
What dat?
misterwit
Exclusive at full price on epic game store? More like steep discount release on Steam a year later!
pintDMG
Well no, this is half the reason publishers are keen on the Epic deals. Steam release is likely a second full-price release peak for them.
CheesecakePi
Eh, I doubt it. Modest uptick to be sure, especially in comparison to what sales would normally be that long after initial release, but /1
CheesecakePi
the truth is sales would probably still be higher if Steam was included in the initial launch. Game industry runs pretty much entirely /2
CheesecakePi
on short term profit, and some players will have spent their free cash on more recent releases that have the current hype and attention. 3/3
pintDMG
Oh I don't think it's gonna pan out either. But I imagine that's the thought process. Potential second peak might just look promising enough
BeardedViking
Please thank the EGS guys for beta and bug testing the game for us.
Shanghaidoll
ladyweatherwax
Why don't we all go eat an orange?
Hellscourge
A PIRATE I WAS MEANT TO BE!
Dukenukemx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtI3ghO4jZ8
MrHailstone
What annoys me the most is the epic ceo.talks like they are doing it to better the industry bla bla. Fuck you dickhead, it's about money
CyborgScribe
How is that different from anyone else? Or do you think Steam isnt about the bottom dollar first?
MrHailstone
Of course they are. But they don't present themselves as the new business messiah
Vatas
Devil's advocate here. Steam doesn't actively try to stop you from buying games from alternative platforms.
pandorafalters
Steam controls a massive majority of the PC game market; they don't NEED to.
Wesugi
^this. This major asshole acts like he's pro consumer although is is the literal consumer anti-christ.
BayazTheBenevolent
Sweeny might be pro-dev, but that doesn't make him pro-consumer. Crucial difference many people seem to gloss over.
Corrodias
Yeah, if this supposedly charitable viewpoint were correct, it'd mean they're using consumers as hostages in the attempt. Not very nice.
FizzleBurger
It's annoying for consumers, but Epic only takes a 12% cut from devs down from Steam's 30%, so I think the competition may be good for devs.
NNextremNN
But they bought into Kickstarter games which were promised for different platforms to make them exclusive. Which is unacceptable.
AAAend
It sucks because EGL conflates a lot of unrelated things. Yes, I think a 30% cut is hefty and it can cut small indie operations off at the1/
AAAend
knees. I am also worried that a Chinese company is an investor, and all of a sudden, exclusivity deals abound! I'm concerned about data 2/?
AAAend
security. Also, Sweeney has made it clear that consumer features are not the focus, so it will be years (if ever) before EGL is on par. 3/4
AAAend
Sauce on lack of commitment to consumer features: https://www.thegamer.com/epic-boss-says-developers-win-game-store-wars-not-consumers/
GriffinMann41
I very much doubt Epic is going to keep that beloved 12% cut. They need to make a profit, and mass-buying game rights isn't gonna cut it
Ziharke
Don't worry they make money. They own unreal engine and that give them a % on each game sold no matter the support.
GriffinMann41
I have my doubts that unreal alone would be able to support their store. That cut seems pretty unsustainable if it's a universal value
ProPuke
They forgo the ue4 5% for games sold on the epic store, so it is just the 12%
Ziharke
Yeah but even on steam they give the 5% so that makes 35% out of the dev pockets...
ProPuke
Right, but the worry was regarding just 12% being sustainable. You saying it isn't, but that's okay cos they do don't expect it to be?
DeltaBladeX
I believe Valve needs the competition since they have declined knowing we are going to the biggest store, but unfortunately, buying out
DeltaBladeX
games that were previously slated for release on Steam and forcing exclusivity just earns them hate rather than forcing Valve to improve.
Matrican
Especially when they promised om Kickstarter or any other places that they are gonna be a Steam release then say Epic exclusive afterwards.
DeltaBladeX
Indeed. I get that Epic wasn't an option at time of kickstarting, but people didn't pay to get an Epic key, they paid to get a Steam key.
Matrican
Looking at you Shenmue 3...
Matrican
Or pulling the game weeks og not data before release. Or like Ubisoft did it "Get it om Steam before it become exclusive om Epic" though
Matrican
Though they have Uplay.
IAmDrBanner
First of all, it is not competition if they are straight up buying the developers with money. At the very least, it is not a competition /1
IAmDrBanner
that even remotely benefits the consumers. Second, the 30% number that you are throwing around is the MAXIMUM cut that Steam takes. Most /2
IAmDrBanner
developers have much smaller cuts since the cut takes into consideration many aspects such as sales and features used. Third, Steam /3
IAmDrBanner
provides several core features that Epic doesn't and has no plans to. Those features are not only of good quality, such as servers, /4
IAmDrBanner
worshops, forums, dynamic shop and smaller user-geared benefits such as customizations and community features, but it also boasts a /5
MelodyLightfoot
But they are going about it the wrong way, that's the issue. Unfinished piece of crap launcher, poor security and forcing people to buy
MelodyLightfoot
from them due to exclusivity is a shit way of being competitive.
Ziharke
Because steam wasn't at the start ? I know it's not a good justification but at least they're improving themselves. Not like steam 1/2
Ziharke
Which took them forever to do some updates for the customer 2/2
MelodyLightfoot
Steam was pretty much the first to forray into it so they had to learn all the things that needed to be features and build it up.
MelodyLightfoot
There's a standard already established now for both marketplaces and digital distribution systems and Epic just went Fuck it.
MelodyLightfoot
You don't even have a fucking cart in the Epic embarassment platform and people got banned for buying too many games during a sale because
Worthless24
If only they'd stop paying for exclusives left and right. It's a nuisance to see that game you waited for is now only on Epic
SophieClockwise
BobRossLeftHand
I will never buy from Epic precisely because of this behaviour.
BatLadyRielle
I couldn’t delete my own goddamn account. I had to contact support. It took 3 months! That is atrocious.
FancyPantlessTeaParties
You've also got developers turning down those deals: https://www.onlysp.com/samurai-shodown-developer-snk-turned-down-pc-exclusivity-deal/
katwa
With the backlash of quite a few titles (Shenmue, Borderlands 3) they know they could lose money if they go exclusive on Epic Games. I hope.
FancyPantlessTeaParties
"[he] declined as he believed that the game would be a title to sell more than a million copies"
FancyPantlessTeaParties
You've gotta admire the massive balls on that guy.
10tacles
To be fair Samurai Showdown is pretty cool. Not sure if it will work out as I think it is a bit obscure compared to the big ones.
Poopette
The userbase who would pay for it was getting their assess kicks by kicks five years their senior. FOUR FUCKING BUTTONS
BigHatMatt
Factorio devs have pretty explicitly stated this too
ModsSometimesHeedMyScamWarnings
What's funny is that Valve can just wait it out because eventually Tencent is gonna look at epic and go: This aint THAT lucrative for us.
ModsSometimesHeedMyScamWarnings
(Except for when they datamine the shit outta your computer)
edgareplekjekk
It is also available on the pirate bay.
ILikeChocolateAndRaspberries
Talking about Baldur's gate, huh? Of course you are, what else could it be :)
Scooter789
Super Meat Boy Forever for me. Probably gonna end up getting that one for Switch.
DeadArcadian
Im just waiting probably a year for sinking city
Sokonomi
Next year is gonna be a good year.. when all that good shit gets set free from purgatory.
404GravitassNotFound
Even worse when they are throwing money to get games pulled off steam that were originally on there for preorder. They do honour them.
Denvercoder09
They made it seem like they were fighting against steams exclusive hold on the market when in reality they created their own monopoly.
Sauroctonus
They were never fighting a "monopoly", they just wanted to make the money Steam does.
Jusmar
IDK, it sounds like they're buying a copy of the game f or me
BeryBigBongBoi
Cough
Sokonomi
Yup; solong, Borderlands 3, catch you when your jailtime is over.
BeryBigBongBoi
Cough
Metalsmith21
LOL nobody makes this complaint when Blizzard releases a game "exclusively" on Battle.net
Caffeinatedgrunt
First party vs third party, nobody complains that fortnite is exclusive to epic or that halflife and portal are exclusive to steam.
Metalsmith21
Ah I get it, Devs are only demonized for having a choice where they can release their games. If slaves it would be totes ok!
Caffeinatedgrunt
It osnt the devs making the choice, its the publisher. Metro Exodus made it's exodus to epic due to deep silver, not 4a, and the devs 1/2
Caffeinatedgrunt
Arent getting a bigger cut, just the publisher. I get where you're coming from, but that isn't really what's happening
takhat
I can respect that they're shelling out for the shenmue refunds but they shouldn't be doing this shit to begin with
IAmDrBanner
Do they even have a choice? I am pretty sure they have to give the refunds at that point.
takhat
Technically the devs should be held responsible for breaking the steam promise, epic is paying them though
RachTrap
Don't forget that the EPIC game launcher is also riddled with spyware.
BiscoffUnited
It's a nuisance for now, but steam basically having a monopoly on the PC gaming market is also a nuisance.
TheSpanishArmada
I don't see the problem. You're still getting the game.
ChrisWsrn
The software is effectively owned by the Chinese Communist Party (Tencent) and has been confirmed to spy on users machines.
Worthless24
Because many of the games have been crowdfunded on Steam or were already going to be on Steam until EGbought them to keep them off the store
Riptide222
Multiple security breaches monthly. Not user friendly. Has fortnite on it. Need I continue?
TechnicallyRight
Its that fortnite money
IAmDrBanner
And that Tencent money, one of the shadiest and biggest companies in the world.
Sokonomi
It will run dry soon enough, and with that, their hostile beaugarding of good games, because when the money is gone, so is everyone else.
Rin007
Because STEAM isn't an exclusive. They're already the monopoly on games, gog turtling along so why the hate on more platforms?
Rin007
It's like with telecoms and ISPS in the states. You need to be more like the rest of the world with dividing the profits.
Rin007
If not we'll just end up with more Jeff Bezos and comcast.
TheFastpaws
I'm just not going to ever buy those games. Money talks.
RageHaxor
If you enjoy games so much you won't care what platform they are on and play the games you want to play
fozzibab
I'll just pirate the exclusive games. I'd sooner give them no money at all than participate in this horseshit practice. Fuck Epic.
NickBlight
"I'm entitled to steal a product if i don't like 1 thing about it."
JessieJanson
Doesnt xbox and playstation do the same thing? people eat that up and cant seem to get enough. whats the difference?
DanSapSan
I absolutely love the Metro Franchise and the people who made it should get their due. Thus I buy from Epic.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
Why would a company choke themselves with exclusivity?
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MasterfulToast
Well to be fair starwars bf2 did well because it was a star wars game other games crashed and burned due to poor releases.
MasterfulToast
Like for an example mass effect Andromeda and Anthem which had a small fan base compared to star wars
dankknight
Pay for the players and now you got payers instead
Worthless24
Cash up front vs. consumer success that isn't garunteed
Sauroctonus
The quick reward, the seemingly easy path.
Metalsmith21
More upfront $, More $ per game sold, You don't get treated like just another dev peon by Steam. ....
mrprogamer96
I might be wrong, Epic gives the dev a larger share of the games profit, Steam takes a larger cut because they’re the biggest site for games
somnif
Thats part of it, Epic is ~12% of each sale, Steam is ~30%. But the "issue" is Epic paying thousands to devs to sign exclusivity deals.
Sokonomi
THIS. I don't mind devs getting a better deal, but if they lock it behind a shitty platform they get nothing, because I simply won't buy it.
mrprogamer96
So they’re offering a better deal to the dev, what I hope is that valve will see this and change some of there policy.
Woodcastle
Nah they see an explotive opening that they know valve won't change to fit. It's pure and simple pub stunt. They will change it once
eldorel
Shareholder pressure. Epic's gives away freebies so they can say "we have X million users". Shareholders for Dev companies think user=buyer
Telaris
By that logic, wouldn't steam have more users and look better?
eldorel
Epic is using the user count to try and look like a closer competitor to steam, so that the percentages and bonuses are actually tempting.
eldorel
Yes, and it does... Right up until epic starts handing out money and claiming that the shareholders also get to keep a higher percentage.
tornadosandwich
Yeah has steam ever done this? Seems like such a shitty thing to do
BiscoffUnited
Steam hasn't, they just gouge a larger chunk of $$ from developers to sell on their platform.
tornadosandwich
As far as platforms go its a pretty standard amount at least. Epic is just purposely undercutting them. Idk why they don't want a bigger cut
BiscoffUnited
It's only standard because Steam is the standard... and they have no competition, 30% of ALL sales is a huge cut. Sony/MS don't even do that
tornadosandwich
I'm pretty sure apple does 50% with iTunes and the app store
IAmDrBanner
Not really, Steam only "exclusives" were their own game, and they were never all that exclusive, what with HL being on consoles.
JordD04
There was a period in the early days when Steam didn't really have competitors. Dawn of War 2 could only be played with Steam.
tornadosandwich
Yeah so it seems extra shitty when epic advertises it like it's a good thing "epic exclusive!" In the ads for the games
Corrodias
There are a lot of games released only via Steam, but Valve has never to our knowledge done anything to discourage publishers from also »
Corrodias
releasing said games on other platforms. They just offer features, and the publishers choose them as the best option, often not bothering »
Corrodias
with other stores. It's unfortunate, but it's not Valve's fault, in the same sense as it IS Epic's fault for deliberately paying publishers»
Corrodias
not to release on other platforms.
mikeatike
It's the only way they get get people to install their shitty platform. I will simply do without any epic exclusive game.
Hartok
Same. Was looking forward to satisfactory and borderlands 3. I’ll wait til I can avoid giving tencent any money, thanks.
PerryCoxMD
You be surprised how much they pay the studio. As a dev, it makes life easier when there is a little extra cash lying around.
NightDany
Yes yes but have you considered how it bothers ME? to install free software in literally 3 minutes to play a game? But yeah keep selling out
ChrisWsrn
Free software that spies on your computer that is effectively owned by the Chinese Communist Party.
NightDany
Ah you mean the thing literally every plataform does now? oh but the minority holder is chinese so it MUST be evil >:/
cheeseguy3412
Yes, but I won't buy any games from them. If enough people do the same, well, a bigger cut of a zilch is still zilch.
Kittynomnoms
Cool. Still not worth installing what is essentially malware on my computer.
mikeatike
As a customer, I don't give a shit. I pay the same amount and get a worse experience.
SciGuy
Sure, but you have to wonder if the cash is worth ticking off your backers.
ChrisWsrn
When you consider most studios disappear a few months after early access release I don't think they care about their backers.
IAmDrBanner
Yeah, but that money comes at a price and at the expense of your userbas, who have to install and use an inferior product that many feel /1
IAmDrBanner
to be unsafe and justifiably so. /2
whyihavetoeven
Also, if you take look at how many features Steam has for free (that others do not have). I think it justifies their higher rates.
PerryCoxMD
The design of their storefront is worth $20usd per $60usd title sold? (They charge 30% off the top of EVERYTHING)
StarlightSnep
exactly, steam may look outdated but is has so much to offer like universal controller support, Steam workshop and Steam link for phones
Willowofwisp
Epic exclusive for 6mo? Did you mean pirate it on release and then buy it for realsies when it becomes available on good launchers?
mikeatike
Or just wait since the vast majority of games are big ridden shitfests or intentionally unfinished for the first year or so.
Sauroctonus
I just call "Epic exclusive" games "delayed". Or just "cancelled".
alcaray
I feel that way about Steam. Aren't there more Steam exclusives than Epic? (I know nothing about Epic)
BigHatMatt
The only 'exclusives' on steam are the ones they made. They aren't going out and paying devs for exclusives. That's the difference.
alcaray
A Steam exclusive is a game you can get nowhere else but at Steam.There are many games in this category.Don't care about who pays who what.
Sauroctonus
Steam didn't pay those devs piles of money to not sell anywhere else. That's up to the devs.
BigHatMatt
They aren't explicitly poaching games however - That is why people are mad and for some reason people don't understand that.
StarlightSnep
there is a big difference with Steam and EGS though, and that's game keys. devs can use other platforms to sell their game, you just have-
Steelflameblade
Steam exclusives are pretty much just because a dev decided they only wanted to only release on Steam keep it simple. Not bribes from Steam.
SFMGifs
The fact even EA sells their games on steam just to milk the market some, shows they know what’s right
StarlightSnep
yes, but with steam, devs are able to sell their keys on different websites and varying prices to make more money with less cuts meanwhile-
StarlightSnep
on EGS, some devs are having their games discounted b4 release on top of another discount. in shorter terms. Epic is a closed platform-
StarlightSnep
while steam is not.
Finrau
Yup. They looked good sadly i dont give a shit to install a 7th fkn launcher.
SincerePlatypus
And why should you? Any Epic exclusive is free for me. Yar Har fiddle dee dee....
Markamanic
It irks me i need Uplay to play any ubi game i buy on steam.
R3gord
But at least I can buy it on steam!
pointsForNothing
But you were OK with the first 6 launchers? And now Epic is the evil one? Althought they take much less money from the indi studios? Think!
AntiSaneity
It's ultimately not about the launcher but the quality of the ecosystem behind it.
MrOsmo
Epic doesn't even have a shopping cart and doesn't seem to understand basic retail laws
klucky
Most of the launchers I use somewhat link with steam which i like. Epic and origin can get fucked
pintDMG
The other six offer a unique selling point and don't hold third-party games hostage. EGS is barebones, unsafe, and anti-consumer.
pointsForNothing
So, waht about: Call of Duty since MW2. Fallout New Vegas + 4 ES 5 Skyrim All stema exclusives...
SincerePlatypus
Discord only takes ten peecent off the studios. If that number was the reason, devs would flock to discord
Woodcastle
Epic also is paying a lump sum to make the game exclusive regardless of the games sales.
BeryBigBongBoi
Borderlands 3
Meyek
That was a developer choice. They viewed the Steam community as toxic and didn't want to host on the platform anymore.
Sokonomi
Im waiting for that jail time to run out, same with all my friends. All they are doing is setting back the clock for good games by a year..
IAmDrBanner
I am just gonna pirate it and buy it on steam when the 1 year is up so I can play with my friends.
comicgeekynessover9000
Part of why they chose epic over steam is because by going on the epic store they wouldnt have to pay for the engine they used (1/?)
comicgeekynessover9000
Which is owned by epic. Steam also has like a 15% cut of all sales while epic takes more like 5%
TheLordOfMagic
Xbox
geochro
Load times...
StarlightSnep
That's what I'll be playing it on, I'm hoping for cross-platform play but it seems unlikely
Purplecandlemaker
If you don't mind paying to play online.
deviatepiez
And *shudder* using a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse.
andrewgrr1
I'd rather pay for XBL than give EGS a dime
LiziPancake
I have so many problems with the EGS, mostly their absolute shit security, bullshit exclusives that force people to use a platfrom with (1)
greenf1sh
I was so disappointed that Hades is coming out 'exclusive' for EGS. I've loved SuperGiant's games and that just sucked.
Grimmginger
Nooooo, I've been waiting for that. Fuck
cheeseguy3412
They are single handedly going to revive piracy as the mainstream way to get games if they keep this shit up.
Sydonis12
If they got the store into decent shape, I would swith in a heartbeat. Valve does not deserve 30% for doing the fuck all they do.
Sydonis12
Pretty much overpaid maintanance guys. They force smaller publishers into exclusivity deals with Epic by being greedy assholes.
ProfessorTenebrae
Valve gives a platform with millions of users. Thats what youre paying for. Not bad if you look at how much companies spend on marketing.
Sydonis12
Which is why it would be a good thing to break Steams monopoly, so that they have to stop charging arm and a leg simply for being Steam.
LiziPancake
The reason why valve asks for the 30% is because they constantly upkeep a massive collection of games, and bring many users in for the (1)
LiziPancake
Deb's to sell to, and if the devs don't want Valve to get 30%, they are actually allowed to generate keys for them to sell on their own (2)
LiziPancake
Site, and this is at no cost to them, they get all the money from selling keys in such a way. (End
corkyburceck
When I see "currently exclusive on epic", I just think "not released yet".
moonsaves
When they said Borderlands 3 would release on Epic then Steam 6 months later I thought "that's a complicated way of saying six month delay".
azureraptor
Exactly.
Protuberanssi
In 6 months they'll fix bugs, tweak balance and introduce few dlc. Then Steam will get the proper "complete Borderlands 3" experience.
corkyburceck
Damned straight --although it's a shame that the release of Outer Worlds got pushed back a year.
ImADouchebag
Timed exclusives are just extended paid betas. I just wait for the Steam release. Not because I hate EGS, just ain't getting another client.
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
Just use it for the free games, and wait for everything else to release on steam. Vote with your wallet
LiziPancake
Or just avoid it entirely
eldorel
That lets them claim "we have X million users!" (the entire point of 'free' games) They then use that # to fool Dev shareholders into deals.
eldorel
Shareholders don't get that a lot of EGS users are just there for freebies. & Epic is pretending to have a healthy market as large as steam.
JackHarknessNerdySidekick
Yeah shareholders are waaaaay dumber than someone who spent 4 minutes reading the news. /s
eldorel
Shareholders ARE people who spend 4 minutes *watching* the news. I however am an IT guy who is PAID to keep up with news on data breaches.
LiziPancake
Less features and will likely cause some personal info to leak. As well as that, they are buying exclusivity rights to products that sold(2)
LiziPancake
Pre-orders that promised Steam versions, which won't be delivered. As well as that, development that promised Linux support, yet goes (3)
LiziPancake
With exclusivity can't give paying consumers the version they were promised, as well as EGS having no support for Linux as a whole. (end)
HOWDOYOUDOSPACES
The Preorders will be refuned by epic themselves. So I think it could be worse.
AgentFour
The only reason Shenmue 3 finally agreed to refunds is because we yelled at them. They were refusing refunds the day the announced switching
GyprockGypsy
You were fucking idiot for pre-ordering a game anyways. They should keep your money.
dragonfliet
That's on the devs though. Other devs have all offered refunds.
DeltaBladeX
*me* "Steam has turned into greedy bastards and no longer deserve the respect of gamers" *also me*
DeltaBlast
Hey, another DeltaBla* with a shitton of steam games :D
DeltaBlast
(okay you have a shitton more than my shitton though :P )
DeltaBladeX
Cute bunny. And hey, 1610 is still good. I know people who thought my alt had plenty. https://steamcommunity.com/id/DeltaBladeXXX
FluffyKittyLover
Valve hasn't turned into greedy bastards they've always been greedy. They just know that customer satisfaction is a really high priority.
DeltaBladeX
Probably true enough. But they started decent at least, and too many people think they are still are.
FluffyKittyLover
Don't see how any of that is a change.
MDtheGM
I am so glad they have the refund policy now, it has helped me immensely.
DeltaBladeX
Yeah, it only took Australia forcing them to add it :P
Denvercoder09
Usurper is a criminally underrated game
misterwit
Expendables was a great game. I remember playing it on the dreamcast.
DeltaBladeX
I always wanted a Dreamcast. Still looking for one here in New Zealand. Maybe someday I'll just give up and risk buying online. But roaches.
DeltaBladeX
I've gotten some beyond nasty game systems when I bought online. Prefer to buy only what I can see in person since.
misterwit
It's a great console, I've still got mine. Hope when you do get one it's in good shape!
DeltaBladeX
Played any of these? Bangai-O, Blue Stinger, Cannon Spike, Skies of Arcadia or Slave Zero. Want to hunt down those ones if I find a DC.
SeismicCoin
roaches can be a problem (there was a dead one in my pc when i bought it) but heres a direct quote from my cousin who has bought 5+ retro >>
SeismicCoin
consoles online, and more from shops: "fun fact: I have never bought a used game console online that worked." he told me this yesterday >>>
Sm9yCg
Bullshit.
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Sm9yCg
nothing the fuck prevents you as content creator to sell your product for 30% less on whatever platform you like (e.g.: Epic *muahahaha*)
Sm9yCg
yes. They offer a functioning delivery platform, invoicing, update service etc. all for a meager 30% of the end price. Also: 1/2
DeltaBladeX
They also offer microtransactions, pointless features focused on making money and an unwillingness to follow laws that may impact income.
Sm9yCg
What? Microtransactions? what the fuck are you talking about? The only firm that violates laws is Epic (consumer protection laws, tax laws.)