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peckovermedia
Maybe it's Maybelline
KawaiiAssFuck
In all honesty how are we not equal??
alternativejohn
Child custody, prison lengths for the same crime, one gender gets to decide if they will be a parent but not the other gender.
makesense
Ellen Page has never made any statement that can be construed as 'hating men'. She stayed in the closet for a long time because it could...
makesense
have killed her career.
TheAverageJoe
My wife & I are both feminists, but as a man, I'm better at it.
Attaroo
Sublime. :D
OneInThePinkTwoInTheStink
American lesbians who want to destroy men, muahahaha.
MySaltyNuts
https://media.giphy.com/media/8fen5LSZcHQ5O/giphy.gif
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
I've never heard a feminist equate all forms of sex as rape. So its unlikely to be a common idea in my view.
Munchman347
Extremism sucks, whether in gender, politics, religion or gun control. 'Moderation in all things...' still makes sense.
teuro
"Lets exterminate all the Jews" "Now now, remember moderation..." "Fine. Lets exterminate HALF of the Jews..."
GavinScreaming
Now you're getting it!
GlennBecksChalkboard
They want to destroy the macho man?
StarmanUltra
Yup, kill it with fire https://www.wow247.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/randy.gif
RandyMarshThoughtThisWasAmerica
Yeah! He has enough problems http://imgur.com/MDOXAm2
SweetZombiJesus
They have less of a chance than the 4 horsemen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qxsafB6gow
krokoschoko
when you said horsemen I hoped for Flair's stable, but it was just game grumps.
SweetZombiJesus
johnnythefox
I waited way too long hoping that was a gif
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
Devante
Beautiful.
ImalwayslatetotheStephenKingreferences
Oh love how many gifs spawned from this movie.
reux
You could say that OP is a master baiter. I'll show myself out...
TKBarbus
Commenting for later use
AlphaKill
But Ellen Page is like 27 or something....
AreThoseMyPants
29 in just over a couple of months.
beeratius
I love this gif
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
I love this .gif too, but I hate how much I need to post it.
ohheyimalex
Y'all treat feminism like americans treat ISIS. You look for the worst cases of it and claim they're all the same.
lecrinkle
It's sad that we're still living with the sterotype that feminists are "man hating lesbians" which is so far off.
alternativejohn
The lesbian stereotype might be off but I know many feminist and most do hate or treat men unfairly.
maccamacmacmac
There is a difference between feminism as a theory and the way that a (tiny, visible) minority practice it. Same in religion/politics/etc.
Mimsey
Patriarchy Theory, Rape Culture, and Toxic Masculinity are all huge in Feminist Theory and are all Misandrist as fuck.
teuro
Straw-feminist bullshit. But one good thing is that I get to like Ellen Page even more.
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teuro
Wow. Such bitter. Much pitiful.
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teuro
Sheez. Just don't go see her movies. So much energy wasted to pointless hate.
blondesci
I honestly see more people complaining about the crazy, man-hating feminists than I do actual crazy feminists
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Bullshit. You're a fucking moron. Engage with real feminism, and you will see real feminism. Choose to engage with trash, you'll see trash.
ihaveatrex
It's something you shouldn't have to identify yourself as, it goes without saying. It's a basic moral conclusion.
muhvitus
I've more problems with feminist theory, terms like mansplaining etc. crap vs. just the objective of feminism, equal treatment of people
rydomac
I detest terms like that. Such ugly, unnecessarily gender-filtered words.
whatapplepie
Haha, she used 'hysterical' in an argument against women. If I wasn't going to question your point of view before...
LeadByBadExample
Would you not call Chanty Binx hysterical?
amglasgow
I don't know who this lady is, but she's repeating the lies told by anti-feminists, like Limbaugh. Proud male feminist.
CanadianCanadianCanadian1
It's not a lie. It's the actual truth. You've just drunk the cool aid man.
amglasgow
Someone's been drinking something but it's not me. You MRA types are the ones who uncritically swallow this nonsense.
Mylastusernameoffendedpeoplefeelingsmatter
You should put that on a business card, you'll be swimming in pussy.
JustAnIdiotOnImgur
As a man
KStudios
As a woman, no... F--k this thread.
KStudios
And fuck modern feminism... When we start taking on ACTUAL problems, like the sex slave trade, lemme know ladies.
Fyrjefe
You're a bird??? :O
SisterSinister
He lives in a Ladys cleavage, too...
beeratius
slightly nsfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anQ6oM6s3UI
pmaguire13
he says posting a youtube link
beeratius
Well they do scream I'M A BIRD, MOTHERFUCKER, I'M A BIRD a lot
pmaguire13
1. its tobuscus 2. the word fuck in motherfucker is deafed out 3. since when is the word fuck not safe at work?
ElGrandeBanana
As a Dutch man, I have found I'm more feminist than some of my female acquaintances, and that makes me sad.
Moocat
Are you seriously saying a woman who claims "feminists are a bunch of lesbians who hate men" has a valid point? Imgur, you're really fucked.
Pythag
She's right in that feminism is a shell of what it was int eh west, she's utterly wrong as to the source of the problem though
derekjohn
Feminist theory and theology are similar: "theological debate is like a public swimming pool, all the noise comes from the shallow end"
derekjohn
That's not what she said at all. She said that the debate and equality struggle has been hi-jacked by more extremist elements.
SisterSinister
I still don't agree with the "American Lesbian" statement. It's a disgrace to most of them who are peaceful and kind.
NobodyThinksYoureFunny
"Has been taken over by American lesbians..."
MorganMcJiggleson
That's actually exactly what she said. "American lesbians." like it's somehow inherently negative.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
that's not what she said. You need to re-read it.
boobcat
If "Feminist" claim that all they want is Gender Equity, Why don't they call themselves "Gender Equitists"? I'm a man and that is what I am.
valrios
The word for that is egalitarian, it was a popular idea during the French Revolution, egalité and all that
Moocat
Because the point is that "femininity" is seen as "weak" or "wrong". Hence, men who cry are "pussies" and being a woman means you're lesser.
notprtty
Well, because we are seeking equality by going after the inequality brought on by being female. The problems caused by sexism/misogyny.
boobcat
But in any first world western democracy females have more privilege, freedom and entitlement than men
notprtty
That's simply false.
bunchofgiddarnliars
I think that's quite brilliant.
bunchofgiddarnliars
Yikes. I forgot not to differentiate from the hive mind.
Fridahasdaddyissues
Misandry is not feminism. Why I'd it so hard to understand that?
Mimsey
Because feminists never address men's issues they can't blame on men via Toxic Masculinity/Patriarchy and protest people who DO?
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ChaniKynes
The problem is- the women that do are treated the same way-it's a loose loose situation-our generation is apathetic to everything.
ChaniKynes
lose lose dammnnnit
soapghost
We do. A lot.
balkingtowinnie
then you need to find better ways to get noticed. I mean, come on, the biggest sites online have feminazi writers on the staff
balkingtowinnie
Buzzfeed, Cracked, gawker, Salon, Huff Post even fucking yahoo! Jezebel is feminazi headquaters and they get 3 million users a month
pgoetz
I'm guessing most people on imgur don't actually have any idea what feminism is, so the word ends up meaning whatever they want it to mean.
iWasSayingBooerns
Oh we know. There's just a difference between a definition and implementation
LeadByBadExample
So make an informational post, o' wise and enlightened one
Fridahasdaddyissues
Basically
buttobviousfacts
"Misandry is not feminism" I wish more self-proclaimed 'true feminists' said that to misandrists who need it more, before lecturing others.
Fridahasdaddyissues
Me too, buttobviousfacts. Me too. I'm not a self proclaimed true feminist. I stand for intersectionality, but I know the difference
buttobviousfacts
I'm glad that you felt the need to downvote my comment before posting a reply purporting to agree with me. You are a true feminist indeed.
Fridahasdaddyissues
I am glad you assumed I'm only here to lecture those who don't need lecturing rather than misandrists who do need it.
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Fridahasdaddyissues
Between misandry and feminism. I do what I can to educate people on this
WhereOnceThereWasAYachtNowThereIsNot
I personally refuse to call myself a feminist, because I choose to be represented by Egalitarianism. For some reason, that makes me bad.
voky
#JustImgurianThings
TheLordLucifersBannedAccount02
Damn. And you got downvoted by feminists.
MarkVF
It's not that you're "bad", it's that you're just tacitly agreeing that radfem jackholes represent feminism.
WhereOnceThereWasAYachtNowThereIsNot
Incorrect, thoroughly. Feminism represents gender equality. Many valid concerns therein. I don't want to only represent that, I also 1/2
MarkVF
I'm explaining why you're getting that reaction. And by making this kind of public statement about it, it probably is correct.
WhereOnceThereWasAYachtNowThereIsNot
You're making a grandiose assumption which I've already explained is wrong, yet you believe you're right? Pretty arrogant, stranger.
MarkVF
and yet, you felt the need to make the statement about not referring to yourself as a feminist in the first place. that's why people react.
WhereOnceThereWasAYachtNowThereIsNot
Seek to represent racial equality etc too. I don't prioritise, where feminism by design does. I don't support prioritising equality. 2/2
Lugh314159
The kind of 'radfem' who believes #2 is rare even among angry tumblr feminists.
GnomeDeGuerre
But she is the unicorn of the anti-feminists.
Mimsey
True, but they lead the movement. The professors, authors, etc, in Feminism tend towards Radical Feminism.
buttobviousfacts
And your inference is based on what objective metric? Your personal circle is not an indicator of the whole society, stop being in denial.
gatorademebinch
I would say that most feminists are libfems
Lugh314159
In the absence of a peer reviewed journal on an analysis of self-proclaimed feminists who frequent tumbler, what other metric shall I use?
StarvingGarbage
No it isn't. Not on tumblr. On tumblr there is a huge community against anyone who is "cisgendered"
MorganMcJiggleson
I'm really amazed how many of you people don't realize how obvious it is that those pages are mostly troll accounts from 4chan...
StarvingGarbage
Where do you think 4chan got the idea? I used to go on /b/ every day and I was around when they first started going after them and the "war"
0rpheus
That's a crock of shit. Go back to Tumblr.
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MorganMcJiggleson
Cis people did actually
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MorganMcJiggleson
Also fuck off with your patronizing "honey" I have been involved in a shit load of social advoacy groups for gender and have never seen that
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UselessAsFuckMadoka
People always post that last picture when arguing against feminazis but forget the other awful stances that lady holds
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
Broken clocks, etc
MorganMcJiggleson
Who even is that lady? She looks like the chain smoking yard monitor at my elementary school when I was a kid.
Mimsey
I thought she was a french politician but I could be mistaken.
MarkVF
When people use the last picture as an argument against feminism, they're more making an argument against their own intelligence.
TheCambridgeKnitter
Who is she?
Spiderbubble
So? You can agree with someone's singular opinion. You don't have to agree with ALL of them...
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
I mean, sure, but the opinion she expressed here is pretty fucking vile. "American lesbians"? Homophobic bullshit. You all should be ashamed
srslydude
So now using the word lesbians is homophobic? It's true. The vast majority of crazy feminists here are lesbians. So?
ProbablyYourBoss
i think she is a lesbian feminist and hates that thats the stereotype
MarkVF
The problem is that her point is stupid.
VerbalSpaghetti
like it or not a couple of Hitler's ideas were good.. haha... a lot were bad. the bad shouldn't always negate the good
cptwott
if a woman acts to me anti-man, interrupts me, thinks she is better, and has an obvious hate towards me without reason i don't call her 1/2
SpottedCow92
It's the same way that people take West Boro Baptist Church to represent all Christian's when I'd argue they aren't Christians at all
ThisTreeIsDurRunk
. 2/2
admiralawesome4213
2/2 a feminist. I call her slagathor
Baconmac1234
I just realaised I have to make my voice deep to read Slagathor.
RufusSlagathor
Woah, woah, woah, not all Slagathors are bad.
slagath0r
I'll have you know I am very polite!
prototype024
Scrubs, gotta love it!
slagath0r
HEY!
ChaniKynes
I'm a woman and have been attacked for not believing the way they do-They can suck it.
Mimsey
Check out the #WomenAgainstFeminist tag on twitter. It's 50% Feminists bashing the hell out of women for not agreeing.
ChaniKynes
I completely believe in equality-but you can't flip the hate and call it feminism...not the way it works folks.
Mimsey
A+ name.
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IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
then you should correct her that what is is doing is NOT feminism, just like being a nazi under the cloak of 'patriotic' should be corrected
IMadeThisAccountForButts
There is no cure for being a cunt.
someguy68
Then she's still rude. And should be ignored as much as possible. Don't even talk about these type of people.
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someguy68
Don't read them. By reading an article, you are approving and supporting it. They track what gets hits and tailor to it.
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someguy68
there probably should have been an IE in there before that last sentence.
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someguy68
Then call them out on it, or ignore it as much as possible. Whichever seems more worth it to you.
sembor
If someone uses his (generally peaceful) religion to spew hate and kill people, BECAUSE of his religion, is he a cunt, or is his religion?
JarrenKell
The person is but some people will use the religion or will use feminism as a shield for their behavior which harms the movement as a whole.
sembor
And I consider myself an atheist, as much as I'd like to ban all religions for the possibility of spawning extremists, it would be wrong 2/?
AlphaWHH
And ignorant people reject what they have been taught for something that is easier to understand and easier to abuse or manipulate.
sembor
I don't know what I wanted to add anymore 3/3
AlphaWHH
Education is the best cure for stupidity, but dumb people won't put the effort in to learn anything (1)
cptwott
a feminist. I call her rude.
IndigoWendigo
Or feminazi.
pinkcow
yes, but you're smart !
CopperWench
And THAT is equality. :D
Redbrickadam
I prefer cunt.
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ultimatezeus
this is the problem with browsing the front page, every fucking time I think about making a comment someone has already beat me to it :)
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
Cunt is a good word. Why is it culturally worse than screaming fuck when I say it in America?
stevethefreak
Rude cunt sounds pretty good.
JR2000
Problem is she calls herself a feminist and you don't get to say she's not.
AnneFranklyMyDearIDontGiveADamn
But there are plenty of assholes who aren't feminists. The problem isn't the feminism, it's just that she's an asshole.
KidShenck
And assholes use their ideology as a stick to beat people with. This works well with Feminism because people are protective of women.
Rogork
That's the problem, the amount of assholes that are using feminism as an excuse, can't fault people for not wanting to be associated with em
beeratius
I didn't think that many people fell for the propaganda of those assholes, but apparently I'm way off target here, 15 years ago it was a
AnneFranklyMyDearIDontGiveADamn
I guess. But many people say "I hate feminists". Not all feminists are assholes and not all assholes are feminists.
beeratius
good term to use, today I saw what kind of responses I got to the word itself, very very reactionary!
TestAccount321
Of course, I knew that this COULDN'T just b e a positive post about feminism, it had to be "Welp, here's a strawman and why we hate it!"
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
feminism =/= misandry (or tumblrism)
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rainevasquez
Lol, so a man becomes a woman and defends men? And her experiences as a woman are supposed to be taken as serious evidence?
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rainevasquez
Nothing I said implied hate or non-support for trans women, way to hyperbolic. What I said was, that she is not a woman. She is a trans. (1)
rainevasquez
Nothing I said implied hate or non-support for trans women, way to hyperbolic. What I said was, that she is not a woman. She is a trans. (1)
rainevasquez
She is categorically not a woman, she is trans. This is in no way to belittle her situation or experiences. It is to admit them as such. (2)
StarvingGarbage
I've seen positive feminism posts here before. Posts that say anything about the patriarchy are harder to take seriously.
Irishda
/Looks at list of American presidents Yeah, patriarchy. That's so ridiculous...
StarvingGarbage
Whats stopping anyone from voting for a woman? Do you want me to save you the time and tell you it's nothing?
EggplantWitch
Despite the fact that it's something which exists and which hurts men as well as women :\
CallMeInV
In the western world. There is no patriarchy. Men and women are equal. The end.
StarvingGarbage
It isn't a thing. It's a fiction people made up to blame things on. You wanna see real patriarchy, go to Afghanistan.
rollercostarican
just because something is worse some place else mean it doesn't exist here, just saying that isnt a good counter argument
StarvingGarbage
I'm saying that's what patriarchy looks like. This is the greatest time and place in history for women to live. They have equality and more.
MorganMcJiggleson
I don't understand the knee jerk vitriol towards anything that's against the patriarchy. As you said, it hurts both men and women.
StarvingGarbage
It isn't a thing.
MorganMcJiggleson
A system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it. How is that not a thing?
rollercostarican
social advantages exist for all demographics, some demographics just have a few more than others, nothing wrong with admitting that
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rollercostarican
complaints about workplace descrimination and value being connected to your attractiveness is lil more serious of a topic than manspreading
0rpheus
I used to work in retail and had a lesbian manager who was lenient on the females and made the men do dog work. >
0rpheus
People learned that she payed the new female employees 30 cents more than the new male employees and there was an internal investigation. >
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
That's not all the talk about. That's just the only part you engage with because you're a petty cunt. That's all YOU fucking talk about.
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IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Those are all terrible fucking websites hahaha. Good job making my point for me. Subscribe to shit, and shit will appear on your shitty feed
PeanutBrittleCocks
Upvote for not being a fucking moron. People need to spend less time regurgitating opinions born out of 4chan.
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0rpheus
That is a vast majority of what they talk about. Not all they talk about, sure.
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IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
They talk about that all the time. I read articles and have conversations with people about that sort of thing reasonably often.
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IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Search for feminism on time, see how many pages you have to scroll through to find anything about videogames. You see what you want to see.
mamonesinmahmouth
Why is imgur so afraid of feminism. It is about equal rights. You people spend too much time obsessing over a few crazy people. -_-
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mamonesinmahmouth
It also calls for more inclusion so that it isn't just white females benefiting from increased social liberties. This includes males.
mamonesinmahmouth
Also an increased focus on intersectionality.
JR2000
Feminism hasn't been about equality since the 60s.
HandAndaHalf
a extremely vocal minority that doesn't speak for equality and some very poorly thought out laws and ideas that don't
HandAndaHalf
equal equality (i pressed enter on accident)
DarthReznor
Back in like 1970 it was about equal rights. Now it's gone deep into the loony bin. Check out everydayfeminism.com or just go on twitter
ManOfIce
A few?! There are thousands, and they're getting political influence everywhere. Don't fuxking chalk it down to that, this is a real danger
WeylandAve
*whispering* there are a lot of bitter virgins on the internet.
thisisprocrastination
You're the reason. The lie that you speak, well, write, is the reason.
iouoneusername
Imgur is an online community, and I think for that reason imgur respond to the most prominent version of 'feminism' online, the tumblr kind.
SoundFuture
Nail on the head. Most people are on the same page or close enough there shouldn't be pointless infighting.
StarvingGarbage
Did you not read the post?
anneka
"Guys some woman with an unsourced quote had a negative opinion that confirms my bias based on browsing too much Tumblr, I hate feminism!"
DavidWentworthart
Veganism is about equal rights too-- and imgur also hates/is afraid of us, so I can truly relate to your frustration +1
AshgarXIII
Crazy people tend to be LOUD. Very very LOUD. Its hard to ignore them because of it.
Fenderzilla
Because imgur is secretly super conservative
pinqet
Many people don't know it's about equal rights.
LoonyBoBdammitwhotookmyname
I've always believed that the biggest thing holding feminism back is that the movement was labeled feminism instead of, you know, equality.
Mimsey
It's very definition is "equality for women", not "equality".
LoonyBoBdammitwhotookmyname
Which by definition is equality for all, since, well, equal.
thisisprocrastination
Nope, reality doesn't work like that. It's not one single scale, it's thousands of small ones, and fem seeks to re-balance only half of them
Mimsey
So here we have grotesque inequality harming an entire gender to its very core. Where are the feminists at though? [6]
Mimsey
Men are punished something like 68% more harshly for identical criminal behavior with identical criminal histories. [3]
Mimsey
Oh, here they are: https://youtu.be/iARHCxAMAO0 Protesting a former feminist, former chair of the NOW, for trying to address the problem.[9]
Mimsey
I've seen numerous feminists rally for aid for female prisoners, but 95% of prisoners in the US are male. [2]
Mimsey
No boys are a shrinking minority of HS grads and college enrollments. Men are 95% of prisoners. [5]
Mimsey
The concept of "equality for women" only implies that. The actions of the group, however, never push for equality for men. [1]
Mimsey
This same stat holds true for boys. Boys who act out in class are punished about 68% more harshly than girls for the same behavior. [4]
BronzeLeaguePro
So when feminists talk about women in computer science it has nothing to do with feminism. Gotcha.,
Dangershy
Because the better term is egalitarian.
allthenamesaregone
The word has been usurped. Most people are for equality.
Smackagepackage
You can be an Egalitarian or a Humanist they both believe in equal rights, Feminism doesn't have own the idea.
dontusemobileapp
The 2nd version has my blessing, the first i absolute despise. She is cute though.
storebrandproductmascot
Imgur is afraid of everybody that isn't a college age white guy. You never see the crazy shit MRAs say posted to the FP for laughs.
StarvingGarbage
Which crazy shit, particularly?
storebrandproductmascot
Literally every single KotakuInAction post ever made.
BlazeMarshall
Vocal minorities are very good at poisoning the name they attach to. Sane feminists are abandoning the term to the crazies.
ohheyimalex
I bet you think all muslims are bad, too.
JunWasHere
Should be noted: The "fem-" part of the name and the movement itself having no official oversight are big factors to the poisoning.
harobed7756
The crazies are astroturfers. NOW and League of Women Voters both clearly define feminist objectives, so attack the poisoners with facts.
Irishda
No they aren't. The internet just chooses to focus on crazy people because then it's easier to dismiss it
SoundFuture
Reminds me of when the TEA party started and was going to be a bipartisan group against wasteful spending and taxes... then hijacked.
StarvingGarbage
American feminism is generally lazy and all about entitlement, typically disregarding real struggles faced in more repressed nations.
dekkeravesque
No. People with no affiliation to feminism at all are abandoning the term to crazies, and I couldn't give a shit less about their opinions.
Felman
Imgur is addicted to hate. It's a psychological thing. Hating something feels good. Why focus on the crazy? Because they're easy to hate.
thisisprocrastination
Because the "crazy" have power and influence policy. Ppl like Mary Koss for instance. Plenty of academics & professors too.
noirthesable
You mean human beings. It's part of human nature.
boobcat
If "Feminist" claim that all they want is Gender Equity, Why don't they call themselves "Gender Equitists"? I'm a man and that is what I am.
puerility
speaking of which, if humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
VerbalSpaghetti
"humanitarian" is a movement just like that
CallMeInV
I'm a humanist. Slightly different but at the end of the day we have very similar goals. Humans have rights. Ignore sex and race. Humans.
SuspiciousCactus
It exists, and is called egalitarian. I am one. In my experience feminism is not about equality, and that's why I am not feminist.
Dutcher
It's not that the idea is what people are against. It's what some have let the idea of feminism have become.
Dutcher
It's the same with anything. Have a loud minority shout enough, and the majority suffers. Islam has the exact same problem.
Nown
The problem isn't just the loud minority, but the opponents who purposely search for that minority then present it as if it's the norm.
Dutcher
The problem with loud minorities is that it skews the perception of the entire group. In this case, the definition of feminism is skewed to
Dutcher
an anti-man kind of set-up. Opposed to men are equal standpoint it officially set out as.
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anneka
Then stop acting like a moron who doesn't know the difference between an ideology and a movement, and speak up for those victims.
balkingtowinnie
things feminism WONT talk about, the Slave trade, women being raped or killed at the border, cops beating black or hispanic women,
thisisprocrastination
The movement it all that matters, the ideology can only matter if the movement reflects it.
beeratius
I'm a man and I'm a feminist, there I said it. I'll put it in my god damn description if it helps people realise what the word means!
VerbalSpaghetti
why not a humanitarian, pure equality without labeling.
JunWasHere
Does it stop the man-haters from calling themselves feminists too? The problem with feminism is it has no oversight. Too easily twisted.
DukeDark
The Bible enshrines hateful, crazy shit as well as good shit, so does feminist theory. This comment section is all no true scotsman city.
JunWasHere
The difference is the Bible is written down, whereas with any feminism (crazy or otherwise), people can only reference more opinions.
DukeDark
Well seeing as feminism is built on patriarchy theory, and there are no patriachies in western society...
beeratius
Same goes for everything really, but I don't call all atheists neckbeards, all christians homophobes or all muslims terrorists
JunWasHere
All of those have oversight, ways for the public to differentiate good-vs-crazy - Scientific method, Bible, Quran; it's NOT the same.
beeratius
There's plenty of prominent feminist authors and large groups but no one pays attention to any of them outside of feminism
Rothweiler03
Well when a "few" crazy people are the loudest in a movement, they become the voice of a movement.
GnomeDeGuerre
That does not account for the huge attraction there seem to be to smear the name of the concept.
WickedWitchoftheMidwest
I think its easy to avoid the issue by demonizing a portion of the movement (and say they are the loudest faction) (1/2)
WickedWitchoftheMidwest
vs pay attention to the many voices that pursue equality but have become part of the background noise because they refuse to be radical(2/2)
catastrophicClara
definitely. Most educated feminist or normal feminist just dont scream around, but they are there and there theories are accesable.
Moocat
Ok so Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK are the face of all Christians. Done.
Mimsey
They're overshadowed, but yeah, they do represent Christianity. Tons of anti-Feminists are also anti-Christian and anti-Muslim. All cults.
SisterSinister
It is still the listener who chooses which voices to listen to. If you only notice the loudest voice and base opinion on that, you're lazy.
Rothweiler03
No because there are plenty of Christians who are vocal about positivity in Christianity. Look at ISIS vs the Muslim hate in the US
Rothweiler03
It's all some people hear about, despite some people saying Islam is about peace
Moocat
But there are plenty of feminists that are vocal about positivity in feminism.
Rothweiler03
However the only impact (to my knowledge) 3rd wave feminists thus far have had are the cause of the hate. 1/2
LLCoolBeans
To a lot of people, they are. Doesn't make it right, but its the way things are.
Moocat
Then why is it that we never see hate on ALL Christians on this site, but ALL feminists are evil?
EverythingThatFallsToTheGroundIsMine
Because imgur has advertisers. And it can't afford to be a hate site. So its probably censored. Andreessen Horowitz injected 40 mill 1/2
MyMiddleNameIsAllen
Because an application of the exact same concept occurs by those afraid of feminism? Most people don't think they're all evil.
LLCoolBeans
Because this website is predominantly male, and typically young enough for their only encounters with feminism to be the tumblr reposts
LLCoolBeans
There are anti-Christian posts all the time. Used to be way more and now they rarely leave usersub. Its the new big circle jerk is all.
MyMiddleNameIsAllen
(2) A loud minority does.
ZachPutland
Nobody said that
beeratius
I'm a man, I'm a feminist, I know literally zero "crazy feminists" in person and yet dozens of people who are against feminism. That's all.
TheCambridgeKnitter
I agree with that.
thisistoomuch
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beeratius
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ForgeoftheWordsmith
I'm with you, bro. Never met one. Some extremists, but they were never wrong, just not merciful. They didn't feel a need to be understanding
TrustMeImTheDoctor
My best friend only focuses on women. I wouldn't say she is a "crazy", but she sometimes worries me. She doesn't like it when I focus a 1/2
TrustMeImTheDoctor
few issues on men. I'll bring up double standards that hurt men and she gets VERY defensive. (I'm a woman btw) 2/2
beeratius
Double standards that hurt men are as much a feminist issue as anything hurting women. Sir Patrick Stewart put it nicely, paraphrasing:
beeratius
"The way to help women is often to help men", he was talking about his dad having severe war PTSD and as a result hurting his mom physically
TrustMeImTheDoctor
Agreed. I always make the argument that we need to treat PEOPLE with respect and help PEOPLE. No gender required.
ratherlargecookieofdoom
Same here - in that I'm a female feminist and I've never encountered a crazy outside of internet memes and obscure message boards...
beeratius
I know right, I mean I'm not saying there's NONE of them but they're a loud minority, and we "centrists" really should speak up about it
Acornlad
You aren't a feminist, you are a humanist. You just want equality and tbh, in the West women and men are equal. In the the east its diff.
beeratius
They aren't, or we'd take war veterans and PTSD more seriously, and home vioelence, and a thousand other issues that we should address.
RovertLNoteek
Finally, a smart person
RockKnight
I guess your personal experience reflects the reality of the situation.
StuXIIV
Yep, same here
MrFenixx
I've met around 7 crazy feminists and only 1 normal one so yeah... they really do exist and boy do they are loud...
Inmate45
I know two crazy feminists... most of the feminists I know are totally fine. I have no problem with the fight for equality.
margaretolson
I'm a woman with lots of feminist friends (and a feminist boyfriend) and, like you, don't know a single "crazy feminist"
thanzanier
I know 0 people against feminism. I've encountered 0 people against feminism. Mostly encounter feminists who dont know what feminism is
LeadByBadExample
If you blame "The Patriarchy" for anything, you're an irrational feminist, and I won't listen to anything you have to say ... ever.
Cowplop
Sounds like you might be as close-minded as them...
LeadByBadExample
Well, the same goes for illuminati-bush-did-9/11 and reptilian-overlords-live-among-us folks. It's equally crazy to me.
CallMeInV
Do you believe that women in the west live under a 'patriarchy'
imnotsorry123
Why are people so reluctant to call themselves MRAS? Proof we live in a misandrist world!
conspiramid
Try working at a vegan restaurant. You'll find plenty, as well as white people who blame white people for all their problems.
goldensky
Go to Tumblr. And cry.
pandasmakemehappy
It's like atheists on the Internet, they're loud and whiney and obnoxious but irl atheists for the most part don't act like jackasses
beeratius
Right, the same goes for people who equate terrorists and muslims and so on, it's kind of a dangerous road to go down
StarvingGarbage
Because they stick to their own communities and hate and fear everyone outside of them. They also are effective at lobbying the legal system
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beeratius
I have a red one, but ok
CallingOutShitposts
then* yourself* your*
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
I know literally zero ISIS terrorists, and yet dozens of people who are against them. That's all
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BronzeLeaguePro
In the UK feminists have gotten the definition of rape expanded. But not to include men being forced to have sex with women.
RikkordF
I'm a man who tries to stay out of all this, but I know far, FAR more crazy feminists than I know anti-feminists, my anti fem experience 1/2
RikkordF
is mostly online 2/2
CanadianCanadianCanadian1
Man they exist. It is a myth that they don't. They work in levels of the government for Christs sake man.
beeratius
I'm not saying they don't, but the reaction against feminism because of them is an overreaction imo
CreativeEgo
Are you sure you have the same definition of the term "feminism"?
muhvitus
Go to college, take gender studies, you will meet several for certain.
boobcat
If "Feminist" claim that all they want is Gender Equity, Why don't they call themselves "Gender Equitists"? I'm a man and that is what I am.
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BorkD
The problem is not labels, though I'd advise to not associate with the mainstream of feminism today.
TheBlackShakes
Yeah, and the NAACP is only about advancing COLORED people. Reverse racism! And Oxfam only feeds the poor. That's class warfare right there!
DukeDark
There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism.
TheBlackShakes
True. I was just using the terminology of the type of folks who would oppose NAACP focusing on the problems of blacks instead of everybody.
TheBlackShakes
I mean, different movements do different things. Some level of focus is necessary and unavoidable.
gatorademebinch
I'm a mentally ill feminist if that counts lol
beeratius
Not that kind of crazy :P
reanbean
Come to Massachusetts. They're nuts. And part of the reason feminism has become "man hating"
ItsARepostFiveOutOfSevenTimes
They exist. And hopefully you are an equalist, not a feminist.
beeratius
(it's the best analogy I can come up with atm, sorry, there's been a rush of replies today)
thisistoomuch
Same thing, different word.
beeratius
Feminism is about equality and egalitarianism, it's a name, Pascals aren't about Pascal the person, they're a unit of pressure, Pascal=name
121AAD
well to be fair, crazy people usually don't think they're crazy ...
freyjaboo
As a woman they like abusing me the most. They're real.
beeratius
I know and agree that they're real, but they're not the majority in the feminist movement, at least IME (That was my original point<.<)
freyjaboo
And in my experience is 100% the other way. I only meet feminists who want to tell me the men in my life hate me. They can suck my dick.
IJUSTMADETHEVOICEINYOURHEADYELL
IF YOU'RE HONESTLY CURIOUS I COULD INTRODUCE YOU TO SOME. THE KIND THAT WILL INSIST ALL MEN ARE NATURALLY RAPISTS. IT'S FUCKING WEIRD.
Louisckismyspiritanimal
Shh, you don't need to yell
sonoshitthereiwas
LOUD NOISES!!!
benl90
Calm down bro. Maybe they think you're a rapist cause you won't stop yelling.
IJUSTMADETHEVOICEINYOURHEADYELL
I'M NOT YELLING, THAT'S JUST THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD.
Ullur
"SHUT THE FUCK UP, FUCKFACE" - Chanty Binx
TheBlackShakes
DO YOU LIKE THE WAY I YELL BABY DO YOU HUH
Rodvitner
"It doesn't happen to me so it doesn't happen." Well, good for you sir!
beeratius
Fair enough, but I was trying to say they're not the majority, just a vocal minority
Rodvitner
Of course they're not the majority. We'd be in deep shit. There are many enough to raise concern.
beeratius
There are, apparently, enough to make people hate the term feminism, as I've learned today. It was different only 15 years ago :/
DarthReznor
You need to get out more, friend. Or just go on twitter. I'm a feminist dude as well and I've met hundreds
beeratius
I try to mostly only count people I know well, so random twitter people don't count on my radar
DarthReznor
Idk I would caution against that approach. For example, I've never met a Trump supporter but I'm very well aware that they exist
beeratius
Good point
ZacharyLaPointe
My dear sir, I do believe this is a place called the internet... YOU might not have met them, but other people have
beeratius
I'm mostly counting people I know well, not random people, or I could claim from my time on 4chan that everyone is a scat fetishist
Philomathematic
I know several anti-feminists but I also know 2 crazy-feminists.
pronacc
I lived in LA for 5 years and let me tell you holy shit, they exist.
jacquesrobespierre
I feel like LA is filled with extreme versions of a lot of things though.
SomeObscureReference
Every feminist doesn't know crazy feminists though. It's just the patriarchy, imgur, or people who go outside making them up.
pronacc
The patriarchy.
SomeObscureReference
Seems likely.
Spleydi
Yeah Imgur is kinda strange. Pretending these kind of Feminists only exists on Tumblr while they speak before the UN and such.
beeratius
Woah wait what, before the UN? Who are we talking about?
Spleydi
Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn spoke before the UN about cyberbullying aka people who disagree with them on Twitter. Look it up it was silly
SomeObscureReference
Imgur is pro circle jerk. Facts don't really matter.
SomeObscureReference
Imgur is pro circle jerk. Facts don't really matter.
HadashiTora
Because blame a conspiracy theory.
kasaku
There are literally men on the internet conspiring to tighten jars too tight for their GFs to open them. It's the most petty conspiracy ever
IrrelevantButPlausibleConspiracyTheories
I too have not met one of these "hysterical" feminists, but everybody claims it's a huge fucking problem.
EggplantWitch
I am active on TUMBLR (TUMBLR!) and I've never met a hysterical feminist.
beeratius
I'll be honest, I mostly only use it for INCREDIBLY SPECIFIC porn blogs
thisistoomuch
It's a great way to discredit a group - take the extremists and pass them for the norm.
Krakencrotch
I've never met a terrorist, but everyone claims they're a huge problem.
IrrelevantButPlausibleConspiracyTheories
And in the grand scheme of things, they aren't. At least, not in the western world.
beeratius
Well, compared to a lot of diseases they're not even a drop in the bucket to the west, and ME politics is a whole nother discussion
geohump
Born in the 1940's, been a feminist since the 60's. Feminism has been corrupted. There are tons of the anti-men types destroying feminism
beeratius
We need to be the vocal center then! And speak up about.. I dunno, I'd call it "centrist" feminism just to get it across in pol. terminology
sowetoninja
The fact that you feel the need to specify that you're a man should tell you that feminism isn't 100% about equality, but about women...
beeratius
I would argue it's because a lot of people wouldn't take a woman saying it seriously,
Sir Patrick Stewart :P
JasonD
Therein lies a major issue with this ongoing internet tussle. Presupposing what others will think of you before you give them a chance.
beeratius
Well, I agree that it shouldn't be an issue. But I do think it is still one these days. Especially in my country (Slovenia)
sowetoninja
That's a stupid comment. Sad to see someone like him buy into these politics. But yeah, most of Hollywood pushes this agenda anyway...
beeratius
I can find it if you want!
beeratius
His mother was physically abused by his father when he was a kid, a lot. That's a big part of the reason why he's a feminist.
beeratius
The other reason is, his dad had severe PTSD from the war, that was back when combat PTSD wasn't considered a thing yet.
beeratius
So he's also a feminist because we need to help soldiers with PTSD get mental healthcare. He said as much in an interview.
sowetoninja
Seriously? Helping soldiers with PTSD has nothing to do with feminism, I support that too. Also, his personal life experiences doesn't >
sowetoninja
>justify a massive political and social movement that has been going for about 6 decades now. I support equality, I'm not a feminist.
VanDerGroot
In all fairness, you could be one of the crazy feminists.
beeratius
That reminds me of
Schmedes
Or one of the "nice guys" that the internet informs me about all the time
GreatTeacherMichael
Angry people are more vocal. Other Ppl forget rational feminists but remember the very noisy / vocal man haters
getadogupya
They're a joke, to everyone, yet portrayed as the norm, by the internet meninists, who are their opposites, and hence, also a joke.
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getadogupya
And a lot of even more main stream publications are giving space to extreme "meninist" opinion pieces. Makes for good clickbait, these days.
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avidatheist
You know "meninist" isn't in any way a serious thing and exists solely to troll feminists, right?
getadogupya
Yes, and I chose to include all these types of posts in with them, because they are all a joke (intentional or not). Problem?
sowetoninja
Even academics are radical, and many openly praise women that were violent and encouraged violence. Feminism is full of hypocrisy.
beeratius
It's a broad movement, not everyone claiming to be a feminist will live up to ideals I'm afraid
BorkD
If the vocal ones means the most popular/mainstream... sure. But anything patriarchal/against CHS talking in colleges is nuts.
BritainsNuttiestGuy
Upvote for C. H. Sommers
BorkD
Based mom is best. trying to pull the movement back to its roots. I see it as a lost cause, but it's brave.
beeratius
This is why I stopped reading Jezebel and similar blogs years ago, I don't get why other people continue to pay attention to them
Decoyape11
Figure that out and you can figure out a Trump vote.
ahyoussef
There are atrocities against women around the world that they can help with, what do they chose to focus on? the female body in video games!
beeratius
Hell, Slovenia is a prime example, violence in the home (against everyone, not just women) is on the rise! Has been for years now!
beeratius
There's atrocities against women in our own countries, too, don't have to look very far to get some incredibly sad statistics
sowetoninja
Maybe, just maybe, it's b/c their narrative isn't that much in the minority. Feminism is force -fed in almost every university I know.
sowetoninja
In the US, and perhaps many other places, you can even get extra credit for writing feminist thinking into your workThis amount of politics>
sowetoninja
>involved in education and research has never had good consequences. Feminist politics should stay out of education&science.
EverythingWasTakenBySomeBastard
Prominent in British universities, there are some great feminists though, most of these however adopted the name"egalitarian" over feminist
CptBigglesworth
Really? I'm not aware of any.
EverythingWasTakenBySomeBastard
Which part? Also depends which uni you go to. Mine and those at Edinburgh, Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester tried to ban clapping (applause).
CptBigglesworth
I was referring to the great feminists that prefer the name "egalitarian".
EverythingWasTakenBySomeBastard
Ooooh right, they're the quiet ones (sounds bad) who glare at the SJW feminists.
EverythingWasTakenBySomeBastard
Ooooh right, they're the quiet ones (sounds bad) who glare at the SJW feminists.
SaintPhoeniix
Egalitarians fight for equality, feminists are people who believe women should have the perks men have but none of the downsides.
ansvar
That's the latest rendition of feminism anyways, the ones preaching it are people who've never been oppressed in their lives and never will
EverythingWasTakenBySomeBastard
The amount of abuse I got when pointing out that rights are not finite, you don't have to take away in order to give. Apparently I was wrong
beeratius
This is like the recent gay marriage and adoption issue in Slovenia, for some reason changing the legal definition of "mom and dad" to
beeratius
"parent 1" and "parent 2" is going to "ruin families" <.< (and marriage from "between man and woman" to "two adults")
EverythingWasTakenBySomeBastard
It's genuinely ridiculous how upset people get... and speaking from experience "mum" and "dad" don't always equal solid families.
aeonicentity
Because they realized, men and women are now generally equal, and now the fight is for human rights, not equal rights
EverythingWasTakenBySomeBastard
You say that (and I agree), but they refused to recognise the 2010 Equalities Act, "The law and courts are patriarchy!" they screamed
beeratius
Well, there's still a lot to fight for in terms of LGBTetc rights in a lot of places
aeonicentity
Yeah, like Iran.
beeratius
I'm not sure we should get into both feminism/lgbt stuff and on top of that middle-eastern politics :P