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TheNewOriginals
Yes, we blurred the line between celebrity & politician a long time ago
unpopularopinionlord
I actually like those quotes. They are not vitriol and are definitely worth saying.
RogueOfHeart
Adam Reasonable
NeedNotApply
Lost me as a fan. Moron.
MurtBaclinBFI
#StopPresidentBannon
RGR320
This man gets it. A true example. I am fairly certain that if he called for a protest march, he'd lead nerds and jock alike!
Debbywithawhy
After his first weeks on office do you think he at least on the path to dictatorship? Seems like he's making a lot of unilateral decisions.
agentviva
Obama did alot of that too, I'm told. The media was just clearly on his side while he was doing it.
DuffMaaaann
"not a dictator yet"
agentviva
"Despite hyperbole"
arkangelbb
I will say Trump will change quite a bit.
mrsnowballs
I don't know what message you're sending when those peaceful protests routinely turn into riots
LullabyJones
Thank heavens for @MisterSavage
FistfulOfAssholes
Cheers, @mistersavage.
RockerFoxes
+1 for trying to be the voice of reason and actually getting how to change hearts and minds.
CheeseIsNaturesFudge
And thank YOU, FistfulOfAssholes.
GrimRiderJ
Aww I wish you were savage replying with this.
FistfulOfAssholes
Me too.
CheeseIsNaturesFudge
I did feel bad about doing that... But idk if he would.
GrimRiderJ
You did the right thing
YouSeemLikeAVeryCleverPerson
If he wanted you to bother him he would have posted it on Imgur. Let him live his life FFS.
lcplspanky
If only reading that only took about a second and he could choose not to respond if he didn't want to, if only
Walrosity
It's on the Internet, where he shared his opinion. If he didn't want to be bothered he wouldn't have posted anything. Probably doesn't care.
ButterfaceTaintClown
LEAVE BRITNEY ALOOONE
ourari
He is literally calling for people to speak up and join him in taking a stand.
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idonthaveanyideawhatthehelliamtalkingabout
and is that a bad thing ?
ITakesFairyCakes
Or he's just enjoying photos like the rest of us? Why do people act like celebrities only have that certain part of their life (1)
ITakesFairyCakes
and they aren't human as well? The second you become famous you can't do normal things like surf the web, post shit, go to mackies, (2)
ITakesFairyCakes
or enjoy the little things? And so fucking what if he's posting for views, what the fuck else are we all doing? (3)
ITakesFairyCakes
We are ALL looking for these fake points.
ChugMonkey2
America has been doing this since its founding (wish I was kidding) This isnt even HALF the worst shit done to immigrants
TheWayofTheFutureTheWayofTheFutureTheWayofTheFuture
Thats why we (should) study history, to learn from our mistakes so that we may (hopefully) not repeat them.
JayEnfield
WindOntheroad
Im all for calling Nazi shitbags Nazi shitbags though.
FrostMarvel
Why is this relevant?
Stanistani
That's not germane to the topic, and goes against the grain of it.
ghettosoak
Just a friendly reminder that standing for humanity and harm reduction also means knowing HOW / WHEN to take a stand. Educate yourself!
welfaretaco
You're not my dad.
Penguinsruletheworld
He just gave Stephen Bannon access to the security council and kicked out the Chairman of the JCOS and Director of National Intelligence.
Resistfromday1
Inclusivity and tolerance.. Yes indeed unless you disagree with the current liberal ideology. Then scream RACISM loud as you can! A++
Friend0fours
I think EVERYONE including celebrities should be talking about politics, we have to try to educate ourselves to prevent further disasters.
JiffyDealer
I wouldn't un-friend/follow someone for having a different opinion. Quite the opposite; what better way to learn and grow? Being rude now...
Tympanga
Very true. Adam seems like a decent person. He had a difficult but successful professional relationship for decades after all.
distances
Professional relationship? Like a boyfriend for hire or what?
Tympanga
he was hired by a sexy mustache
iPukeUnicornsAndRainbows
Why the fuck is "stay out of politics-" a thing?! Seriously?! Literally everyone should be involved. That's what a fucking democracy is!
Tympanga
It's when people arbitrarily use their fame to push politics on people, and they get upset.
Zyrixion
Everyone is entitled to speak their opinion. This isn't a contest about whose soapbox is bigger, it's about standing up and being heard.
Kattungens
Thank you! My initial reaction too. One doesn't need to be an expert to have a valid opinion.
CrazyKorean
People staying out of politics is what has gotten us in this mess to begin with, for too long people have not cared or opened their eyes
lifelibertyandthepursuitofpizza
Unpopular opinion: I think there's too MUCH political participation from people who can't engage in this discussion with critical thinking.
lordofthedice
I mean, I partially agree with you. But everyone believes that this applies to everyone else but themselves.
lordofthedice
Also, I believe Churchill once said that the greatest argument against democracy was a five minute conversation with the average voter.
LocketheAuthentic
I like that he clearly understands that people think, and do things for a reason. People didn't vote trump "for the lulz". At least not many
lordofthedice
I just have problems with WHY they think certain things.
LocketheAuthentic
I imagine the feeling is mutual. At this point I'm not really sure how to stop the polarization we've been seeing, or if we even can.
digitalist1
Vote for hillary and die sad, vote for trump and you can die smilling. Hell I've already laughed at Trump's shinagins
amop
dude you really suck as a person
freshoffthecouch
Ah yes, shinagins. My favorite leg based past time
OriginalJumpman
Honestly, those who are upset need to really need to be the watchdogs. That's how we check his power.
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
"System of checks and balances." But if the GOP controlled congress isn't gong to do shit, then we the people need to.
Glidingboulder
Not to mention your local votes, if Trump doesn't get his act together hes in for a surprise in two tears with the house and senate election
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
There might be more than two tears shed by then.
Glidingboulder
Omg lol, took me two days to get that, geeze im slow. X'D
FartyMcPoopyButt
Imagine a dystopian world, with a Dear Leader Trump and in a basement in California is a liberal resistance with Adam Savage as their Q.
Tympanga
I think Adam is smart enough to not lead a 'resistance'.
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
"A woman's place is in the Resistance"
EzraFell
Totally misunderstood that and thought of Adam Savage as a godlike being of a hyper advanced species continuum. (Star Trek type of Q)
thedogemperorofmankind
I'd be fine with that. all in favor?
WaterblightGanon
the national parks service is already the leader though.
Choiced
I'm still optimistically claiming that few people actually -wanted- Trump, and just disliked Hillary more >.>
BushToadSherlock
I feel like that's a good bit. Of everyone a I know that voted for him that was the case for all but three.
Wangwrangler
This, I voted against Hillary not for Trump.
UmbertoBench
How do you feel now? Could she seriously be worse than what we've seen of him?
TheImgurNeoConConcious
yes. Don't you know she's the devil, for some vague reasons and definitely NOT because she's a woman?
Choiced
She supported SOPA. In a world where more and more of our information is coming from the internet, giving the government the power to (1/2)
Choiced
nix what ever they feel like under extremely vague guidelines of censorship is...one of the most terrifying things I can think of.
UmbertoBench
SOPA is bad. Muslim bans are worse. Anti-vaccine is worse. Cutting planned parenthood is worse. Putting Bannon on NSC is worse.There's more.
Chereazi
Not living up to his name, that was pretty reasonable...
DeltaBird
This whole comment thread is reminding me of the Bigoted Bill song
UnconventionalAlias
Though "Adam Reasonable" doesn't have that same ring to it
ltoka00
ThePublikon
Now I want his middle name to be Filbert or something. Savage, A.F.
totesymahgoatsy
Savage by name, reasonable by nature
agumonkey
savagely so
SirReginaldFeatherbottomIII
From now on, the opposite of "that was fucking savage" is "that was adam fucking savage."
AReallyCoolSpaceImageEveryDay
Possible to be misinterpreted
CoeusDarksoul
Looking forward to when it does!
LiquidHandSoap
Adam Reasonable.
LetMeResearchThatClaim
savagely reasonable?
zapdel
Extra medium
DoublevBomb
That can be a thing:
Nomadness
Hmm. Yup. This is more of what I'd expect from Adam Decent.
ShaftJohnson
Came back to upvote this +1
mkumar118
Me too
sundaymondayhippyday
flashums
Adam decent... Eh he's kind of a dick
aCheekyFingerUpTheBum
To have different and respectful opinions to you means being a dick says a lot more about you than him
flashums
Awe man I was missing understood. Was a joke on the names
aCheekyFingerUpTheBum
If you were joking. Its often really hard to detect irony online. Adam is a treasure
flashums
Adam savage = nice guy. Adam decent = nice guy. I love Adam I started listening to "untitled" his podcast as soon as myth busters ended
flashums
Adam decent = mean guy*****
VigorousButtstuff
Savage ain't wrong. Being an asshole to people is not the way to get them to see your point of view.
wormfood
Don't you know that not being an asshole about it means you're "normalizing" Trump which I'm told is "Not Okay".
GeneralSystemsVehicle
Unfortunately it's no longer about getting people to see points of view. They see our points of view, and they don't care.
Tympanga
Do you care about their points of view?
aerach71
We care intensely, that's why Nazis are getting punched in the streets
Tympanga
Violence is always the answer. Nazis used it pretty well.
aerach71
And if I recall correctly peaceful 'understanding' and reason won WW2... oh wait no we bombed those fuckers
jfd8u438fdsfkds
YOU'RE WRONG YOU FUCKING CUNT
letsbakecookies
USA, you are really, really scaring me right now.
grndpnder
I'm really sorry, it is scaring the shit out of the majority of us here too. At least the sane ones anyway.
InappropriateAbeLincoln
Please understand that he will never speak for many of us. We're trying to figure this out along with the rest of you.
TheImgurNeoConConcious
what's really crazy is 50% of the country is loving every second of it
MoesToes
I'm with you. Being right beside them is scary.
gorillaClutch
This I'm totally cool with and can easily get behind. No name calling and no hyperbole means we can actually discuss
supremepooperscooper
Discuss whether electing a man who appoints racists and wants protesters to be taken out on stretchers was a good idea.
supremepooperscooper
No, was that too much? Do we only discuss the things you all are not ashamed of?
agentviva
Which is what the left refused to do in this first place, that got everyone in this pickle.
gorillaClutch
Yeah but if a "celebrity" like mr. savage wants to weigh in on it this is the way to do it. this will help unlike the meryl streep speech
SciGuy
Last I checked it wasn't the left that put so much effort into nicknames like "Shillary", "Killary", "Obummer", etc. etc.
agentviva
"Racist", "Sexist", "Nazi", etc. This is why I couldn't debate those on the left. They called me that and started ignoring me.
Sheepyhead
I don't think any particular side is any better, I've seen plenty of name calling from all sides
CanadianlDude
Imagine if 90 million eligible voters decided to actually go out and vote. You know the 40% that didn't vote this election
TruthIsoutthere
The blame lies with each and every person who chose not to vote.
fitlex
In Australia we have to vote or get fined. We still voted in the guy who deliberately fucked up the NBN
Teaspilled
They even mail you a ballot ffs. Vote assholes
Leithoa
About 40% of the population never votes. This wasn't a new phenomena.
jfd8u438fdsfkds
Imagine if we used a voting system like Score voting that didn't elect two terrible nominees who are disapproved by a majority of society.
ragekritz
depending on where you live your vote wasn't enough. Sure if everyone voted it might change, but many places hold little weight in these.
ktheman
Would love to keep seeing rank and choice voting adopted cause then reach vote would be more valuable
BlackPengu
They will be really sorry if Trump starts a war with china
WhereNoMan
China, Russia and India are in favour of Trump.
Mirchie
People didn't vote because neither of the candidates were worth voting for. The 2016 election was a complete farce.
EzraFell
I was under the impression that it was more around 47%, or roughly 121 million voting age population didn't vote.
ReNiX333
Yeah its not like theres an electoral college or anything that make the decision...
JayEnfield
Electoral reform creates new parties, new choices, new options. Turnout increases when votes can count for what you really want.
jfd8u438fdsfkds
Score voting (or Approval voting) would change everything.
MrRavellon
You assume they would've voted for Hillary. Just like all mainstream media assumed majority of voters would before election. Look what/
MrRavellon
/happened in reality. You know what they say about assuming...
WhosYourWormGuy
The majority of voters DID vote for Hillary, genius.
MrRavellon
Yeah, small majority. Not the overwhelming majority like everyone being told
Craftylefty47
Especially those that live in swing states, where votes matter most.
JayEnfield
You guys need electoral reform in the worst way.
Craftylefty47
Tellin me. My vote in CA is worth 1/4 what it is in Iowa. There are multiple, better voting systems that we can easily adopt. See: CGPGrey.
JayEnfield
Push for it. Push hard.
Craftylefty47
That's the plan
AStegosaurus
If I went out voted, it would have made no difference. I live in a blue state and would have voted against Trump. Electoral College is the
AStegosaurus
reason that MANY people do not vote. How many of those 90 million votes would have actually mattered? Only 20 states will realistically be
AStegosaurus
capable of changing sides at all, and only half of those swing regularly.
AStegosaurus
Remember: Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump and lost, so getting more votes does not necessarily mean you win.
ragekritz
and yet if you say this somehow many consider you to be apathetically supporting trump.
Krostiman
Something something voter suppression in the USA.
hotfezz
Yeah... There choice was trump or the most corrupt politician in American history, who would have started a war with Russia.
thissitestealswhatcouldvebeenmyproductivity
Russia deserves a war, if you ask a person from Crimea. Also, at least she had diplomacy skills as well. That trumps gold toilet, to me.
WhereNoMan
If you ask a Crimean, statistically you will get a positive response. Russia has done nothing wrong. Hilary is the second coming of Hitler.
Leithoa
Trump is pretty damn corrupt too, he doesn't doesn't pay the same Piper as Hillary.
DomesticatedCombatWombat
So you're worried about a war with Russia, but not killing more people else wheres and radicalizing them?
46853
I didn't want either of those fuckers to get power, I didn't want that on my conscience. Plus Im in NY, it wouldn't a difference if I voted
TraitorousTrump3
There are 207M eligible voters in the US. 62M voted for trump. 145M did not vote for trump.
Leithoa
And about 90M of those people never vote in any election so you're left with 55M people which means your math is off since 65M voted Hillary
TraitorousTrump3
207-62 = 145. Math isn't wrong. That many people did not vote for trump.
Leithoa
65M+90M = 155M , there are over 230M eligible voters in the US & ~90M don't vote in any election. 152M people also didn't vote for Hillary
TraitorousTrump3
a) 207M after ineligibles b) trump is prez w only 40% of people voting for him.
Leithoa
2)It's pointless to compare ~90M people who don't vote at all.
noforeplay
They're talking about the people who didn't vote at all
TraitorousTrump3
It also means he has no mandate. He speaks for 30% of the voting public.
always4theright
If you don't vote, you don't exist.
LifeWouldBeEasyIfIWereEasyButLifeIsHardAndSoAmI
That's the point. If there are 62M that did vote for Turnump out of 207M people who could vote, that means the remainder didn't. 145M didn't
Leithoa
And about 90M of those 145M never vote in any election. Every single election only ~60% of those able to actually vote.
LifeWouldBeEasyIfIWereEasyButLifeIsHardAndSoAmI
Though I think something doesn't add up in that, because that doesn't allow for enough voters left to have Hillary at a majority pop vote
WhereNoMan
Ah yes, the popular vote argument again. She won by less than 0.1%.
TraitorousTrump3
65 of 207M voted for Hillary.
johnytwodicks
Im a liberal in Kentucky. 2 counties went blue this election out of all of them. There are some states where your vote will not matter
sheblindedmewithscience
I'm a liberal in OK, and no counties went blue. They never do. But I always vote! It means something to me, I suppose.
firekirby
While this is a popular way of thinking, it opposes the idea that things can change. Even if it may not seem worth it, I feel like (1/2)
firekirby
you should vote regardless. After all, if people stop voting because, "it won't matter," history will be destined to repeat itself. (2/2)
itsamazing
by all means vote anyway, yes, but mathematically he's correct, his vote didn't matter, until the voting system is changed, he is stuck
donkeymoney
There are about a dozen other things to vote on besides the President. Your voice does matter.
otiumCatulli
Yes but imagine if they had voted, and Hillary won the popular vote by ten million, that would influence what the next candidates campaign 4
littleman00
Doesn't mean you shouldn't vote. For me, it was a conscience thing. I'm a rep living in SF. I cast my vote in the primaries for Kasich (1/?)
littleman00
After he had dropped out. I felt like my vote was more of a protest vote; my little contribution saying "Even if Trump is the only one (2/3)
littleman00
running for my party, he still doesn't get my vote." (3/3)
TubaBandito
I did the same McMillan got my vote
Badgerlord
If you have no interest in voting, if it's that low on your list of cares. Please for everyone stay home.
Burke616
How many of them didn't vote because they were wrongly disenfranchised by a system that's been tailored to exclude them?
Leithoa
Probably not anything approaching 90M or even 1M Do you have that stat handy or are you just making baseless accusations?
Burke616
I don't have a stat handy, but my question is hardly baseless. There have been active campaigns of voter disenfranchisement for years.
Leithoa
[citation needed]
asdfghjklinkin
People didn't vote because there was no one to vote for. On one hand, you have a flaming asshole, and on the other, a sopping cunt.
itsamazing
hey, sopping cunts are awesome, don't insult those beautiful things
fuhsmc
Nothing's stopping you from voting 3rd party. It's not easy, but 3rd party candidates have been elected before (Joe Lieberman, CT Senator).
ashashashashash
In australia voting is compulsory and I just. I don't know why it isn't in the US
digitalist1
In the US, most of the people I know that didn't vote, said they hated all the candidates.
jfd8u438fdsfkds
Compulsory voting would make things worse, not better. Ignorant people should be discouraged from voting, not forced to vote.
mixam
you still have the option to make a blank vote to show your dissatisfaction.
jfd8u438fdsfkds
That's good, but you're still putting people in a voting booth who shouldn't be there.
Carrow
Certain people lose their shit when political things have words like "compulsory" and "mandatory" with them. Cuz freedom
Burke616
This sums up the American mentality, I'm afraid. "You are *required* to participate in your freedom." "Fuck that!"
kenpachiiiii
Lol cuz freedom, i like the logic... Shows the irony, we have the freedome to be enslaved. But hey, to each his own right?
Zyrixion
We americans are allergic without equal to two things: participation in our own governance, and anything that even smells like socialism.
jagerben47
Even though both are positive if done well.
jagerben47
And now we have a compulsory tax to pay for a wall and a mandatory Muslim ban. Worked out real great.
SirDuckOnQuack
That will stop illegal immigration and save billions over time. And the regulation is temporary, whilst ISIS is removed. Lives>feelings.
Omeganeo
A wall that is impossibly expensive to both build and maintain as well as not work. It will NOT stop illegals from crossing at all.
DomesticatedCombatWombat
I think you got that backwards mate. I mean statistically more US citizens are killed by fellow citizens. So Feelings are coming before life
welfaretaco
I don't know.... we have lots of dumb people. Proof by the fact that The Presidential Carrot is chilling in Obamas ass groove tonight.
JiveAssTurkeyy
My bad y'all
donkeymoney
fuck you
BushToadSherlock
Yup, though both our options sucks since we really only had two in the end
SirSage
Did you vote for anybody or are you saying you didn't vote at all?
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
That's not really an excuse to not vote at all. Show up, even if what you show up with is a "none of the above".
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
I don't even live in the USA, and I still hate you, internet stranger.
JiveAssTurkeyy
So I just got home. Me and my friends were at this bar. These white people are drunk and trump loving it. So I get my of pizza
JiveAssTurkeyy
There's a pizza place right next door. So I get my slice and people start fighting. It's a white guy with a middle Eastern which was born
JiveAssTurkeyy
Here
SeeTheNumbersTasteTheViolence
Heeeeeeeeeee's durnk
JiveAssTurkeyy
I ain't gonna lie. I was.
DarthWhatsHisFace
You bastard!
SerialMoonPanda
What if I'm not in the US or not an American citizen at all? Does my vote count?
HermanManly
Actually yes, some people on The_Donald posted a list of states where saying you don't have your passport is enough to vote. Dude was danish
itsthevoiceman
And it never matters when only a few swing states truly are the decision makers. That's why Iowa, Florida, Vermont, et al. get tour dates.
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Maybe if the % of "opposing party" in the remaining states that don't vote, did vote, some of those could perhaps switch color. Just sayin'.
BigBlueBurd
And if the electoral college was abolished, it'd simply make everything but the big cities irrelevant. Lose/lose either way.
gropnorb
Whith results like this that would be the better option.
buckeyes995
Everything but the big cities are already irrelevant in the swing states.Winning Ohio depends on turnout in the big cities, same in the rest
CanadianlDude
Well then for stats we'd have to look at turn out in those states and I'm sure they are still probably close to %40 not voting I would think
Tunaccat
FYI: Vermont's not a swing state. I think you mean New Hampshire.
itsthevoiceman
Thanks for the correction!
Treblaine
Florida, man... 29 EC votes that can swing either way. That's 58 lead to one or the other side, hinges on the tiniest margin.
JayEnfield
Electoral reform creates new parties, new choices, new options. Turnout increases when votes can count for what you really want.
itsthevoiceman
True. Now if only we could pass those reforms. Congress tends to get in the way, especially if it means losing their jobs.
JayEnfield
It's never easy, but by God you guys need it bad.
Treblaine
Why do I get down-voted every time I suggest it be a straight popular vote? so no EC college, just total aggregate vote of the nation.
JayEnfield
Well, you might be posting into a nest of EC supporters, but "popular vote" that remains winner-take-all doesn't fix the problem at all.
Treblaine
How else could it be? If 65% vote for Candidate-A & last 35% split amongst Candidates B, C & D... A can't be the "winner" that "takes all"?
Treblaine
I see a very obvious problem HERE which is Trump was inaugurated with dire popularity, yet still won, popular vote WOULD fix that problem.
TheTastiestTampon
Repealing the EC is short sighted, counter to the intentions of the Framers, and ignores the historical troubles of rural administration
Treblaine
The intention of the EC is being defied, there's no suggestion the EC could meet and change their vote if they thought candidate was bad.
Treblaine
Oh as if the intention of the Framers hasn't already been countered, they never intended the President to have such power.
Larkos
The Framers lived in a vastly different time and intended our political system to change with the times.
HopefulMD
The amount of Trump voters who un-ironically say: "Celebrities should shut up and stay out of politics" confuse me.
TommyWa
Personally I just don't like it when I have dozens of people trying to aggressively get me to agree with them, regardless of their side.
DevinNatTyv
Yeah, what about celebrity billionaires? Should they stay out too? *drowns in downvotes*
skelitor120
I've got the sentiment that they should do so just because it's stressing me out to hear heated arguments from every facet of this country
NotTheDDay
This! And who actually voted for him? Are there really no Trump fans here for example? It can't be so.
JapAnus
I'm not a Trump voter and I think that
DeadBodyCascade
I feel like its because most celebritys have an agenda that benifits their own class instead of americans as a whole.
tahorg
Oh you mean because they elected one as president...
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
That's the joke.jpg
silentxzero
But he WAS a celebrity, proudly ruining TV with his pathetic narcissism long before he was ruining the country with his dangerous ignorance.
FernandoRumdebum
People will always find an excuse to try to silence views they don't want heard. It's the easiest argument to make
davidbowieeyes
TwoEyedWilly
Everyone has the right to say their opinion.
grabthembythepussy
Not just celebs,for Trump voters having a college degree makes you an elite and you should stfu.
HydrochloricKitten
When they run for office, I'll listen; till then, until they stop pretending they're better than the rest of us, they can just hush.
LivingInYourIntestines
They think everyone should shut up. Cue the riddled with logic holes pilot of the airplane analogy.
pussysensei
not a fan of trump, but i stand by the analogy. i remained hopeful,yet cautious, until he fucked up day one.
LivingInYourIntestines
I was hopeful until he appointed his cabinet members. Draining the swamp my ass.
pussysensei
fair. i am young and inexperienced, i hold my opinions until i have enough information to confidently voice them.
yuyufan43
He's spent his whole life trying to get celebrity endorsements and now he's whining and bitching because he can't.
RDAwesome
I don't understand why US citizens of any capacity would be told to shut up about politics. It's always your lane if you're a citizen
lildeidei
Anyone saying that confuses me. We are all voters. We should be as involved in politics as possible, regardless of celebrity status.
MadAsAFrickenHatter
Right!?Just because they're famous doesn't make them any less apart of the voting process. Theyre still affected by the system. Don't get it
MittenMagick
Personally, I said it before he ran for President, but celebrities who are running for President probably shouldn't stay out of politics.
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
It's crazy though that they're right. The reason uninformed celebrities should STFU is because they sway popular opinion but that isn't the
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
Real problem. The real problem that needs correcting is getting the population to inform themselves on the issues instead of just agreement
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
With who ever can speak to the largest audience
sorosfieldops
They will get down on their knees and suck the dick of any celebrity that agrees with them though.
RepostSadistic
I disagree. Celebrities should loudly, obnoxiously speak up. It pisses people off and that helps Trump.
szepasszony
Saying that people should just shut up about politics is fucking scary (and un-American). Free discussion is what makes us a democracy.
DiscipleOfHelix
That's because celebrities throw their status around to convince people to follow their uneducated opinions. Savage isn't uneducated.
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
Kind of like what Trump does?
DiscipleOfHelix
Aye, but he is the president now.
TrueNorthernLights
"Believe me, I know the cyber."
AdamAz
America is fucked..
irishunsure68
The amount of leftist idiots who listen to celebrities saying "we will survive this" when they live a mansions with maids is laughable.
Shadehawk
im sorry whod your righties vote for again?
irishunsure68
The person qualified for the White House. Madonna should be Secretary of State right? Because why not.
rossalupus
If trump is a celebrity then is every dragon on drgaons den, theyre businessmen first, entertainers second. Whats not to get?
Insideanus
Most businessmen don't slap their face on fucking everything, start a dozen petty 'luxury' ventures, and buy ad space for his opinion
Insideanus
Or have a fucking catchphrase
ReifieR
You won't hear any of them telling the Motor City Moron to shut up or stop grabbing his crotch like a fucking 14 year old.
mossysabertoothtiger
nazis have always been hypocritical they want to limit free speech but will gladly sue if they feels there's has been violated
epoke
Until a conservative politician speaks up of course.
YourMemeSucksHarderThanaDyson
What conservative politicians exist anymore? Did you see the budget the Republicans are trying to pass?
epoke
Damn it. Celebrity. Conservative CELEBRITY. learn to think, Drunk Me!
JustAnEightStoryTallCrustaceanFromThePaleolithicEra
I don't know, when I see an ad of famous actors basically saying vote for Hillary or our country is ruined it's bugs me.
HungLikeHorseFly
Because they have no clue what they are talking about or because they are being paid a shit ton of money to say it?
HungLikeHorseFly
That's what these people don't get, celebrities are out of touch with the middle class so much so they think they know better than them.
HungLikeHorseFly
Meant to say average person not middle class.
HungLikeHorseFly
Know better than what affects the working class little guy more than their multi millions of dollars where they build walls around their..
HungLikeHorseFly
homes but don't want walls to protect it's citizens.
CMFMTNPPL
I voted for niether but would choose anyone over Hillary after she fucked over berne like that
ratfaceddog
You fucked us all over to punish Hillary because you believed overblown, hysterical propaganda. Thanks.
NotFarEnough
*Number of Trump voters
Alamyst2011
Just to point out that the founding fathers wanted buisness men to be politicians. Both Adam and Trump fit.
Alamyst2011
Trump put his money where his mouth is. Adam has taken no office yet.. change starts with you.
raggedrabbit
yes, Adam, YOU SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!! You are more educated then Frump!
Stanistani
The founding fathers would be throwing Trump Ties into the Potomac and marching on the White House about now.
ABadManWithABeard
You're not wrong, but If somehow magical zombie Founding Fathers were around they would've made that march a long time ago as well.
Stanistani
Oh yes.
EzraFell
They probably would have marched on Congress just after the Civil War to get Reconstruction Republicans to be more mild mannered dicks.
nasreal
Yeah, he's even appointed one of the biggest stars of his reality show, Omarosa(sp?) to a whitehouse position
ihavetwosnakes
Generally I feel Celebrities should be aware their uninformed opinions are exactly as valuable as any other uninformed opinion, no more.
briank33
You apply that to Melania's husband also right?
Blahblahhh
And yet Trump got elected.
fenomas
And yet there they go, signing a bunch of executive orders.
PrettyFlyForARabbi
nofunnynamesleft
iDrawStuff
Especially since one of their greatest political icons WAS A CELEBRITY. And, incidentally, so is current POTUS.
tpgreyknight
IME people are generally OK with celebrities endorsing politics as long as they're endorsing the "correct" politics.
Cheomesh
People in general should stay out of politics. It is clear that only a Technocracy can be the way forward.
tpgreyknight
Not sure if I just got Poe'd or somebody is actually advocating oligarchy
spicepoet
All Hail our AI overlords and botcops. Citizen, please return to your home. For your own safety during this transition.
FutaKing
itsthevoiceman
There are plenty of non-Trump voters who do the same. It's often just a tactic to feel superior to someone who's societally superior.
JD10001
Maybe saying some people are "societally superior" is why the proletariat dumped the bourgeois run Democrats for a Republican Aristocrat.
commentrabbithole
Pretty sure a ton of non-Trump voters would prefer celebrities like Trump would stay out of politics.
Sillychina
No, they probably should. Not a trump supporter, but celebs shouldn't openly speak about issues they aren't experts in. ie Jenny McCarthy
EmptyHouseBurglar
I hear you, but expertise matters more in science than humanity. Criticizing vaccines and abortion vs racist pandering and gagging science.
Sillychina
I would argue there is more misinformation in politics than in science. Opinions are still based on fact, true or alternative.
jo3v
They live a life of red and green. If your little toe so much as touches the red, you must be red. All red is bad, all green is good.
jo3v
They dont want their favourite celebrities to come out as red. They would rather not know, because they can't accept a red, whoever it maybe
Zerogates
They mean "Celebrities should shut up if they want to use their position to manipulate opinions of ignorant people", but that's anyone tbh.
Zerogates
And yes it is still ironic, but I think Trump getting elected is the perfect example of celebrities using their position to manipulate.
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
Exactly. We've lost the luxury of being apolitical. If you have a platform to reach people, you should use it.
RedEyesWhiteSwaggin
This makes it sound like you are a celebrity.
mfgcolour
only when it's on your side
tzap
There's never been that luxury. The very idea of proper democracy is that everyone is politically aware and at least minimally active.
zamirovski
If you are not affecting politics, politics will affect you
tzap
"The lessons of history are clear and portentous. If you do not turn on to politics, politics will turn on you."
ConfirmologistUK
And, while I largely agree with you, the democracies we live in allow people the courtesy of being apolitical if that is what they wish.
tzap
Yes, they do, but the system is really only effective if it's not the majority that is opting for ignorance. As such, in my opinion, 1/2
tzap
we should strive to encourage political activity. No need to downlook apoliteness, but atm it's kinda glorified in many circles. 2/2
ConfirmologistUK
I would say that common political discourse (in my country, anyway) has been degraded by ignorance and misinformation in common culture. 1/2
heinleinfan
They're the same people who think someone who lives in a guilded NYC penthouse was going to "help the little guy". They're delusional.
WhosJoe
Same could be said about Hilary and Bernie. However they had their chance to make a difference things got worse.
badoodles
Lol basically 90% of the people in my school.
somewealthyamerican
Yeah some billionaire who had everything he could ever want, put his business on the line to run for the most hated person in America, POTUS
VelKoz
"don't trivialize. Don't name call, don't insult" and you wonder how trump won?
yuyufan43
He's already gilded up the white house. He only cares about appearance (except his own) and it's not a good appearance either. :(
kittyclawz
I've noticed that those are the same people who think he worked for that level of wealth on his own.
Zyrixion
It's incredible that with a pope who traded the papal throne for a chair, the god-fearing right would find value in trump.
GaijinSin
It's not, really. Pope Francis bucked the trend of "wealth is right and holy," not reversed it. Money gospel is still as strong as ever.
Zyrixion
Yeah, I know that, but I hate that everyone's still missing the point on that one.
chuksfs
Well it wouldn't really be pope nature if he condemned him now, would it?
o11c
*gilded, or *gilt
MrPredator
^ Eeyup. Still amazes me people believe someone like Trump will fight for them.
CountryMetal01
you just as delusional if you think Hilair is fighting for anyone but herself, and her "career", I'm actually surprised Bill is still alive
PrettyFlyForARabbi
Really Hiliar? Do you expect anyone to take seriously?
ratfaceddog
I think he tried to say that, but he actually said "Hilair."
Ahlyss24
What part of this thread had anything to do with hillary? She wasn't even mentioned before you. Anti-Trump=/=Pro Hillary.
PrettyFlyForARabbi
But the emails!!!! Lol
MrPredator
Eeyup. I didn't like Hillary and believed she had way, WAY too much baggage. I was mainly hoping for Bernie.
Sully0811
Attacking people for being "other" is less help than the former sec state gave embassy security.
BayouBillyBones
Republicans just cut embassy security budgets again and are moving the Israeli embassy into more danger. Sorry you got bamboozled.
TheClayKnight
Not that I like Clinton, but she is at least technically qualified for the job with a career of experience in government & foreign relations
Treblaine
Yeah, people act like she's personally in charge of organising each diplomat's security, her subordinates did organise a large armed force.
Killersmail
Still doesnt change the fact that she "Killed" all the oposition. The best choice would be Sanders but she made sure he couldnt be president
fewe
Yeah but she was loads better than trump. If the dmc didn't backstab Bernie we would definitely be in a different situation.
Treblaine
And this is a massive shifting of the blame because diplomats security is supposed to be the responsibility of the host nation.
JD10001
Well, so far he is doing pretty much exactly what he told them he would do and in record time. So, maybe they aren't as gullible as thought?
mfgcolour
he already has helped the little guy and Sanders praised him for it
heinleinfan
Literally his first official act was to get rid of a discount for first time, predominantly middle class home buyers. So go fuck off.
mfgcolour
that's also really good for them, too many people get houses they can't afford
jakslasher
I'm helping you
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Lol idiot
mfgcolour
blocking the TPP helps the little guy, a lot of people voted for him solely on that. if you're going to oppose him there are other things
dudeloveall
I don't know much about the tpp. How dose blocking it help the little guy?