I'm assuming this is a simplification for social media. There must be nuance to it. Imagine if this was literally the whole law. "Don't come in today. Factory burned down." "Ha! Gotcha!"
My last job would call and email till around 11pm. I was the GM and ran 6 factories. One was in a different time zone. I was also on call 24/7 for any alarm issues. There was no rest or piece of mind.
I'm maintenance at my site, so I'm occasionally called for technical expertise. Union negotiated that a phone call means I get 1 hour of overtime guaranteed, even if thr call only lasts a minute. They are able to call my back throughout that hour, but if it goes over 61 minutes I get two hours etc. Overtime is double my rate. It's happened maybe 5 times in 10 years. Worth it imo.
I’m an LEO in rural Alaska. If my boss calls me on my two weeks off for anything other than travel arrangements it’s an automatic half hour of OT. I love my department.
Certainly needed. In both Portugal and Spain people are getting majorly screwed in their jobs for many years (decades) now. As beautiful as the places are, the working conditions are among the worst in the entire EU.
At one of my old jobs they were allowed to call me at home and ask for help/advice on problems, but i could book them 4 hours for each contact, i think i was on $26 an hour back then so i was always happy to hear from them lol
I LOOOVE this. However, I work in a shift environment, at least a quarter of my day is spent alone. If I have a question there is no one to send a text to, to ask what do I do now that machine X is broken, other then my shift supervisor, or their boss.
As an IT manager a lot of IT staff has become accustomed to getting calls at all hours for outages. Fireman mentality. But with my last 2 teams I re-thought this old approach and didnt want to just blindly embrace it anymore. With one team I was able to do a follow the sun approach with employees around the world. With the next team things were in the cloud and there were little to no outages and I only used the easily muted group chat and never texted directly. My CEO was understanding and >
> supported me when I said I didnt want to enforce around the clock on call responsibilities. Everyone else gets to sleep. Why not IT? Are we a part of this team, or not? And I got his full support. If something broke at 2AM I would assess it. If it was dire I would put a note in the group chat, then simply fix it myself if no one was online. I earned a lot of street cred with my team by doing that.
German employers aren't supposed to call you outside work hours either. The only exception is when you're out sick and they urgently need to know a password or something. When you have predictable time off, they're SOL and should have thought of this in advance.
Some times the call is warranted most of the time it's not. "Hey you know that fish and chip place 2 bays down? They had a grease fire and the building is closed for awhile. We will call you back when we know we can reopen."
Ours was a message on our scheduling system lol We were closed for 3 weeks with smoke damage when the building attached to ours burned to the ground due to moronic incompetence
I had a decent employer in the US once. Basically, if work called you you added it to the time card. Of course, that becomes non-functional, if you are salaried. The only way it worked out then was billing it to the callers project code. It is amazing how pissy a project manager can get, when their project budget is wrecked by their own behavior. It is very satisfying.
I worked at a place for about 5 months, and during my quarterly evaluation one of the things they told me was that I "scored low as a team player" bc I didn't respond to texts outside of work hours. It was a tiny chiropractic office, only about 10 employees total, and they had a text thread that they expected everyone to participate in. They especially wanted me to do it to be a "good" example for the younger employees. This was one of the many flags that had me out of there that fast.
Why the would a chiropractor need to talk to anybody after they leave work about work? Hey Robert this is your doctor chet the man I know it's 9pm but how are your bones buddy? My receptionist wants to know.
For that one specifically? Definitely bc they needed to manipulate and control others in order to feel good about themselves. It was disguised as "team building" and other such bs though, of course. Saw right through that, hence not complying.
No, it was never anything like that. If someone called out they would reconfigure the remaining staff to cover, and then make sure the person knew how incredibly inconvenient it was and how much didn't get done bc of them. My coworker was blamed once for our checks going through late with the excuse that the manager couldn't complete payroll on time bc they were covering said coworker's position. The texts were stupid shit pretending to be about team building when really they were about control.
apLundell
I'm assuming this is a simplification for social media. There must be nuance to it. Imagine if this was literally the whole law. "Don't come in today. Factory burned down." "Ha! Gotcha!"
michaelozz62
Australia too. Disconnect laws. Leave us alone
JackDawesLovesmybigwhat
I have a company phone. It stays in the work truck when I'm off the clock. If anyone calls after hours I'll find out in the morning.
azazyel
When I was able to work from home, totally didn't care. Now that I have to go into the office, I'm not as reachable.
trumpypumpyinyourrumpy
My last job would call and email till around 11pm. I was the GM and ran 6 factories. One was in a different time zone. I was also on call 24/7 for any alarm issues. There was no rest or piece of mind.
Sevulturus
I'm maintenance at my site, so I'm occasionally called for technical expertise. Union negotiated that a phone call means I get 1 hour of overtime guaranteed, even if thr call only lasts a minute. They are able to call my back throughout that hour, but if it goes over 61 minutes I get two hours etc. Overtime is double my rate. It's happened maybe 5 times in 10 years. Worth it imo.
Lurch1911
I’m an LEO in rural Alaska. If my boss calls me on my two weeks off for anything other than travel arrangements it’s an automatic half hour of OT. I love my department.
areyouelonmusk
This. If you have to do work you better be getting overtime.
dreikommavierzehn
Certainly needed. In both Portugal and Spain people are getting majorly screwed in their jobs for many years (decades) now. As beautiful as the places are, the working conditions are among the worst in the entire EU.
Totallycasual
At one of my old jobs they were allowed to call me at home and ask for help/advice on problems, but i could book them 4 hours for each contact, i think i was on $26 an hour back then so i was always happy to hear from them lol
EmeraldLight
The only time my boss calls me is out of desperation and it means I'm getting double time haha
Wapusk
I LOOOVE this. However, I work in a shift environment, at least a quarter of my day is spent alone. If I have a question there is no one to send a text to, to ask what do I do now that machine X is broken, other then my shift supervisor, or their boss.
METROlD
As an IT manager a lot of IT staff has become accustomed to getting calls at all hours for outages. Fireman mentality. But with my last 2 teams I re-thought this old approach and didnt want to just blindly embrace it anymore. With one team I was able to do a follow the sun approach with employees around the world. With the next team things were in the cloud and there were little to no outages and I only used the easily muted group chat and never texted directly. My CEO was understanding and >
METROlD
> supported me when I said I didnt want to enforce around the clock on call responsibilities. Everyone else gets to sleep. Why not IT? Are we a part of this team, or not? And I got his full support. If something broke at 2AM I would assess it. If it was dire I would put a note in the group chat, then simply fix it myself if no one was online. I earned a lot of street cred with my team by doing that.
3nd3rwiggin
I am the only one on my team that works a 4X10 I will get emails and Teams messages on my off days but I am not expected to read them +
3nd3rwiggin
Until I return to work.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
German employers aren't supposed to call you outside work hours either. The only exception is when you're out sick and they urgently need to know a password or something. When you have predictable time off, they're SOL and should have thought of this in advance.
ptrimg
They should already know that password. Bus factor...
Quixus
No, they should not have your password but there should be a process in place for the bus factor. e.g. emergency accounts for such occasions.
dreikommavierzehn
and yet they often *strongly imply* that staying longer, coming in on a weekend or responding on the phone is encouraged.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Yeah, they hope people don't know their rights and/or won't stand up to them. Nevermind take the matter to a labor court.
ispendtomuchtimehere
what about a text, tho..perhaps an email..for maybe a quick clarification or a "scheduling favor.."
Subsound
The text of the bill is online
trigonman3
Yes, even stupid questions.
SomeDetroitGuy
Do that shit on company time.
eppykaze
Some times the call is warranted most of the time it's not. "Hey you know that fish and chip place 2 bays down? They had a grease fire and the building is closed for awhile. We will call you back when we know we can reopen."
EmeraldLight
Ours was a message on our scheduling system lol We were closed for 3 weeks with smoke damage when the building attached to ours burned to the ground due to moronic incompetence
unluckyandbored
If it's important, they can leave a voicemail.
pekkhum
I had a decent employer in the US once. Basically, if work called you you added it to the time card. Of course, that becomes non-functional, if you are salaried. The only way it worked out then was billing it to the callers project code. It is amazing how pissy a project manager can get, when their project budget is wrecked by their own behavior. It is very satisfying.
FelonyRaptor
This could've been an email. Or a text.
georgejimmydoodle
I was assuming that the ban applied to texting, too.
datphone777365
Txt. I refuse to have work email on my personal phone. Gimme a cell stipend or fuck off.
mooserunningwater
I worked at a place for about 5 months, and during my quarterly evaluation one of the things they told me was that I "scored low as a team player" bc I didn't respond to texts outside of work hours. It was a tiny chiropractic office, only about 10 employees total, and they had a text thread that they expected everyone to participate in. They especially wanted me to do it to be a "good" example for the younger employees. This was one of the many flags that had me out of there that fast.
crazyspelling
Ten employees would be the largest chiropractors office I'd ever heard of in my life.
algoritham
I would have talked to the "younger employees" and radicalised them as much as possible about their rights and how not to fall for corpo bullshit.
iktome99
They all needed to be vigilant against the ghosts in people's bones or whatever stupid shit chiropractic practice is based on
choppedliveraldente
Why the would a chiropractor need to talk to anybody after they leave work about work? Hey Robert this is your doctor chet the man I know it's 9pm but how are your bones buddy? My receptionist wants to know.
mooserunningwater
For that one specifically? Definitely bc they needed to manipulate and control others in order to feel good about themselves. It was disguised as "team building" and other such bs though, of course. Saw right through that, hence not complying.
redsmerf
I mean... "Hey, Jane is calling out sick for tomorrow. Can anyone cover?"
mooserunningwater
No, it was never anything like that. If someone called out they would reconfigure the remaining staff to cover, and then make sure the person knew how incredibly inconvenient it was and how much didn't get done bc of them. My coworker was blamed once for our checks going through late with the excuse that the manager couldn't complete payroll on time bc they were covering said coworker's position. The texts were stupid shit pretending to be about team building when really they were about control.
choppedliveraldente
Its a 9-5 office operation. If you have part time employees text one of those you don't need a group chat for ten people that work together.