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JoRodriguez
I hate that I get ads to make my dog a service animal, it's disrespectful to real service dogs and the people who need them
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
If you're going to be an asshole and claim your pet is an emotional support animal without training, you deserve all the consequences
LookingLikeASnack
Working at a hotel, I can at least say from personal experience that most "ESAs" I see are *less* trained than regular pets, presumably because their owners are often idiots who bought into some online scam ESA registration.
CatchySensibleName
Friendly reminder that not all service animals are trained for physical disabilities, and not all physical disabilities are visibility apparent.
Syko73
The sign is all well and good but when last I checked it was not legal to ask for proof so you just have to take their word for it.
slotheroll
Fine, Me and my support manatee will kindly take our business elsewhere. Good day to you....
Smagalicious
I guess me and my emotional support cow will have to miss this one.
Laughinghyena16
As someone with allergies I love this. A lot of stores like Walmart have flowers all over the place that make me itch. At work a lot of customers come in with pets and it annoys the F out of me because I am allergic and it makes me itch and my eyes burn and swell. I avoid outings as much as possible to spots animals are to avoid this. Wish others thought of other people...but im getting older so know people don't give AF about others.
Catsbycat
We already learned that people don't care about others in the covid pandemic.
swil22
I’m at an age where this used to be the law everywhere (or at least it was accepted). Unfortunately everyone now assumes that the general public likes animals (my niece is terrified of dogs).
LucilleWhoKnowsNot
My bf has a service dog. He's deaf. People constantly ask why he has one. Most people are shocked to learn you can't ask that question in BC
dcjunkee
Well, at least he can't hear them ask their stupid question?
jimzakany
Does. Does the dog answer for him?
LucilleWhoKnowsNot
No. But I should teach her to bark at the question so it looks like she's answering
ojioni
Your emotional support purse rat dogs is not a service dog.
invaderkong
Now make one for kids!
skippieelove
There just needs to be a boozey area! 21+ (depending on your country’s laws of course)
SmilinSloth
As someone that needs an actual support animal I hate emotional support animals. It existing is supporting you, my dog needs to keep me from bashing my head off the pavement and warn me about incoming seizures.
OrkenMork
Nice to know that my service squid is welcome...
080080
ummm.... how does your squid "service" you?
OrkenMork
He "inks" when I'm suffering an "attack".
InvidiousSquid
I do buy a lot of potatoes.
Neferium
Animals in food areas is just generally a bad idea.
dcjunkee
If only there was some sort of Code of Health that a person would violate by bringing an animal near public food sales...
veesee
My dog is an emotional support dog for me but I still don't try to take him to places dogs aren't allowed because I have no medical reason for him... im just emotional and he's my best friend... so yeah im 100% on board with this.
Oban
One of my favorite things about working a booth at a farmer's market is all the dogs I get to meet. We only ever had one problem dog, he peed on our tablecloth when his owner wasn't looking (and never realized it happened). Sucked, but whatever.
GQPisadeathcult
I manage a resort and the weirdos and their emotional support animal scams do ruin it for everyone. It’s gotten really crazy since COVID and to much dog (and owner) drama all the time.
RooGryphon
then do the same as the sign above, ban then all unless specifically trained and wearing there service animal gear. and i still say having a service animal should require an owners lincene to verify that it is indeed a registered animal for such to prevent the assholes from just saying it is.
GQPisadeathcult
Federal law rules prevent license or question beyond what does your service dog do. This loophole allows dog weirdos to pull their stunt.
RooGryphon
Officers ask for license and registration for traffic stops asking for duchnif your an asshole with a 'service animal' it should be the same for them. Let's end the bullcrap chickens etc as emotional support animals. They are not a thing
GQPisadeathcult
Good luck with that. I’m pretty liberal and agree but the handicaps have a full pass with their needs which loopholes for the asshat types. It’s a parade of weird women and support dogs at our resort. Told one this winter get you Chihuahua off the fuckin table as you can barely train those terrible little fuckers to shit outside. She said she was going to call the cops on us for violating her handicap rights. I asked what service the dog provided….she said anxiety. 🤪🤣🤪🙄
whyismyusernametakenalready
The problem is "emotional support animals" don't have the same required training regime every other service dog has, and then you have people absolutely abusing it. I was on a plane once and was listening to a person bring their clearly badly trained dog on as an "emotional support animal" and was literally bragging about how it wasn't one and she just found that was how she could bring it onboard with her. Like JFC lady you're making life way harder for people who actually do need them.
kraeftig
There is no government-required training regimen for any type of service or support animal of any kind. There is no certification board. There is, however, a clearly outlined list of rights for both the business/housing location and the individual, such as questions you can/cannot ask, and generalized examples of when you are allowed to tell them they must leave.
BestIntention
Wildly incorrect, the training standards for Esa and service dogs vary greatly in quality. You can easily end up with a better trained Esa than physical service dog depending on where you go regardless the legal treatment of them do not differ.
whyismyusernametakenalready
For example a PTSD support animal is an "emotional support animal"
lysani
If someone has diagnosed PTSD, they can get a certified service animal that is protected by the ADA. Emotional support animals are not.
Taxicat
Only if they’re a military veteran. Speaking from experience. Everyone else has to go the “owner-trained” route.
RunawaySpoons
Still a service dog if it's been trained like that.
Taxicat
Exactly, but a lot of people don’t realize that.
Fendeezy
Actually, they're called "Psychiatric Service Dogs" and are recognized as service animals, they're completely different from ESAs.
Fendeezy
https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/#:~:text=Beginning%20on%20March%2015%2C%202011,a%20person%20with%20a%20disability.
Taxicat
This actually violates the ADA, as they made a point of only service animals for physical disabilities. That means psychiatric service dogs, Autism support, diabetic alert, seizure alert dogs, etc would all be banned from this place. That’s discrimination.
VardtheBard
Only issue is the 'physical' part of the service dog requirement - there ate plenty well trained service dogs that assist with mental health issues e.g. PTSD.
Thegreenestthumb9
Or seizures, or diabetes, or severe allergies etc which aren't visible.
RooGryphon
then when out in public the animal should be required by law to wear gear that says service animal on it. and owner holds a lincene for it for verification. otherwise get your dog out of my restaurant etc
VardtheBard
Is that not standard practice fir service dogs?
Fendeezy
Plenty of times in my place of work where the carrier doesn't have one on their dogs "because it's hot outside"
VardtheBard
Thats wild. Its a requirement here that when in 'work' mode they have the vest on with the relevant organisation name e.g. Guide gogs for the Blind, Autism Awareness Dogs, eyc
lysani
The ADA would supersede any ban on bringing animals in to a location like that, so as long as it's a certified service animal it's allowed.
kraeftig
Certified? There's no government regulated certification board for service animals. Some individual companies might "certify" their own animals, but that doesn't issue any legal guarantee, nor would you be required to accept that certification when presented to you. Businesses actually have a fair amount of established rights to challenge and kick out animals that aren't behaving appropriately to the situation.
lysani
Certified as in having been properly trained to perform the tasks required for the individual. Some go through training but don't perform properly, so they end up not being "certified" to perform the tasks required. My mom had a service dog so I'm aware of the process needed to obtain them.
Taxicat
That’s not what “certified” means.
RunawaySpoons
I said this too and got downvoted for it. Imgur is very fickle! But glad to see it doesn't overall deny the disabilities aren't all physical.
PunchyFromCleveland
As long as they’re well trained I’m sure they’re welcome. I’ve seen people with “therapy dogs” that are pulling them, barking constantly, and tripping people. That’s not a well trained service dog, that’s a pet.
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Thank you!! Came here to comment this.
NiftyGoblin
@OP emotional support animals are not the same as a service animal. Service animals go through training and licensing while emotional >
NiftyGoblin
>support animals are just pets registered as emotional support. They are often not trained enough to fair well in busy places.
Geodude
Read the sign please. Your comment is off base.
Geodude
That’s exactly what the sign says!
AmbroseWolfinger
But under the terms of the ADA, you're not allowed to ask what condition a service animal is for.
CeterumCenseo
I hate this statement ... You can ask any question you want! There is no law forbidding you to ask questions! However, you cannot refuse them access if they don't want to answer specific questions not outlined by the ADA and if you do, you might be liable in a lawsuit. But you can ask those questions!
squintish
As the owner, for purposes of determining if you can exclude an animal, you can only ask the two aforementioned questions. As a regular nosey broad, for purposes of sticking one’s nose where it don’t belong, heck yeah, ask them anything you want.
rbudrick
They aren't asking here. They are flatly saying they arent allowed.
Hashbrown123
You can ask what they are trained for though.
Sulexar
You can ask some questions, and most importantly only trained dogs and mini horses are service animals. So anything else is an easy rejection, and an unruly dog is also guaranteed not to be a real service animal.
squintish
I think there are some service monkeys.
LittleRobot71
But they like every other animal has no protection under the ADA.
IMPICKLERICK
There are also Service Rats that are trained to find landmines. So if you live in an area where there might be a landmine in your local Dennys...
PyroDragon
so basically if you live anywhere where there is a local Denny's?
IMPICKLERICK
Correct, but there is a massive difference between a service animal and an emotional support animal. The likelihood that your trained vetted service animal bites a passerby, barks at kids, etc is VERY minimal. The odds that fluffy your depression pomeranian has received any training at all and will instead pee on a child however.....
brianglass10
What about my emotional support peacock and badger?
AmbroseWolfinger
Why do you think you need to say all of this to me? Did I say anything to make you believe that was even necessary? No, I stated a fact (which you acknowledge was correct). The rest is superfluous. It's why people roll their eyes when you talk.
happyrabbitzz
IMPICKLERICK
The point was that they aren't allowed to ask if it is a service dog, but if your ESA goes in and pisses on everything they can put 2 and 2 together and ask you to leave.
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
They ARE allowed to ask if it’s a service dog, tho. They can even ask what task(s) it performs. They just can’t ask you what your diagnosis is.
Twrecks123
Even with a service animal, if it misbehaves badly enough they can legally ask the dog to leave. Most places won’t risk it though.
PyroDragon
a Pomeranian is more likely to bite a child than to pee on it.
IMPICKLERICK
They have a bladder the size of a small bladder. They pee CONSTANTLY
PyroDragon
is that like a large boulder the size of a smell boulder?
IMPICKLERICK
Ya
BackPackJohniee
According to the ADA: When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform.
SarcasticComment
*says nothing and steps around*
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Neednoggle
Seriously?
AmbroseWolfinger
In context, genius.
GreenScorpio
1.
all the people employed by a particular organization.
2.
a group of officers assisting an officer in command of an army formation or administration headquarters.
"the Polish General and his staff"
AmbroseWolfinger
As it applies to the law, dumbass.
paragraph
3. A big frickin’ stick, as in “If you don’t cough up the cash for the ants your emotional support anteater ate I’m gonna have to get the staff”
Twrecks123
And, the ADA declares PTSD and depression aid dogs as “service animals” and those technically are not “physical disabilities”. So this sign is questionable.
AmbroseWolfinger
Some Karen’s fault, I’m sure.
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
Ty for pointing this out. Sign isn’t just questionable, it’s flat out wrong.
LittleRobot71
I think the sign itself is even an ADA violation.
Twrecks123
Yeah, I figured. But I’ve learned that like IRL, if you state something as fact you just get arguments. If you ad the uptalk question mark at the end, it’s taken with a lot less argument.
nomorehate
I worked at a Chili's a while back. This lady would come in with her "emotional support chihuahua." IT WAS THE DEVIL. Even after we told her we couldn't have a dog peeing in the restaurant (she wouldn't clean it up) she would sneak it in her purse. She also never tipped, don't be like her.
drowningfishy
I almost kicked an emotional support dog because it touched my leg and scared the sht out of me. Then after it tied to jump on the deli counter
Taxicat
Emotional Support Animals do not have public access rights in most countries, so you would’ve been completely within your rights to prevent entry or kick them out. At least in the USA, only Service Dogs have full public access rights and those must be trained to perform at least one specific task for their handler. ESAs are not trained to perform specific tasks.
Turkleturts
Just add a $500 animal clean-up fee to her bill. Guarantee she'd leave it at home after that.
Taxicat
Pro tip: Emotional Support Animals do NOT have public access rights to begin with. The moment she says it’s an ESA, she has to leave. You’re not legally obligated to allow her to stay.
OnomatopoeicOnanisma
Fire the customer.
Fistouille
Of course she didn't clean it up
nomorehate
Oh man, don't get me started. That dog bit at us when we were putting the food down and she just laughed about it "oh he's just nervous, he wouldn't hurt a fly!" If he's nervous, don't bring him into a crowded, loud, busy restaurant.
Keramane
Service animals are an extention of the person and permitted in all places (in Ontario at least) where a person is permitted. Denying someone with a registered service animal can (and usually does) result in a lawsuit.
Terramotus
If service animals were actually registered in the US, and could be checked, then signs like this wouldn't be needed in the first place. You're not even allowed to ask what the service animal is for. People using this excuse to bring their pets wherever they want to pee on everything is why signs like this exist.
lysani
Legitimate service animals in the US are certified, there's just no publicly available database due to privacy reasons.
Taxicat
No, they’re not.
Taxicat
If service animals were “registered,” a handful of large organizations would lobby to control it and most who need a service dog would never get one.
Klaaism
Actually you can ask what a service animal is trained to do. Its the human I cannot ask what their disability is, as per the Americans with Disabilities Act (revised 2014). Many years of dealing with this as armed security in Las Vegas, NV, especially in municipal parks where the city admin were REALLY hardcore against unleashed dogs. Too many previous lawsuits from dog attacks.
Klaaism
Additionally there certainly should be some kind of national register for service animals. Atm any smuck buy a vest online. Most of the so-called animal registers are scams.
Taxicat
The reason there isn’t is the risk of a handful of larger organizations lobbying to have control of administering it and therefore preventing most of the people who need a service dog from getting one. It’s already difficult enough, because those organizations only cover a very, very limited range of disabilities and demographics. Everyone else has to owner-train. Me, for example? There are no orgs providing >
Taxicat
>service dogs for PTSD if you’re not a military veteran, there’s no Autism-support dogs if you’re over 18, and every other organization focuses just on blindness, deafness, or mobility. And if you have multiple disabilities, you’re shit out of luck. You can’t just show up with a doctor’s note to get a service dog.
VibratingNipples
Is my pet rock still allowed?
Cookie39
Only if I can smell what it’s cooking!
OmgOptimized
As long as it doesn't start flying
huffnpuff72
Only if it’s trained to attack maga hat wearers.
FabulouslyTiti
ToasterDent
Careful, you're gonna give Hollywood an idea - Pet Rock: The Movie. Starring: The Rock
Obijesus
Is it a trained service rock?
Maaatth
Is it specifically trained?
IntelligentLake
Is your pet rock required because of a disability? What work or task has the pet rock been trained to perform?
2shortplanks
It keeps tigers away.
inevermadeone
It keeps me from floating away.
IntelligentLake
I thought thats what the cement shoes are for?
q2grapple
Mine help me swim!
Brunomars1
Depends on the type of rock
a2s2020
It has sedimental value
CaldariBob
Only if you promise not to huck it at anyone this time.
Ladeduh
It depends. Is it a licensed service rock? Or this fake "emotional support" crap?
JoeT85
No premises
WillJeSuis
LostItAtThePunchline
MisterLemons
I will make the attempt to stifle the thought. Beyond that it's on gods hands.
Brhino
For those that don't like it, 5 seconds on google has taught me that this is the law in California. Or I could have read the fine print.
Jcclark122
Maryland is the same. Emotional support animals are not service animals. That is true on a federal level through (I think) ADA. Any animal can be an emotional support animal. There is no training or certification required. Only dogs and miniature horses can be service animals. They also need to be trained to perform certain tasks relating to their handlers needs. Most service animals are guide animals for the visually impaired or alert animals for people with issues such as epilepsy
IconicM
Strange, when I was in LA earlier this year there were dogs everywhere indoors. It seemed like a very dog friendly city...
karenishra
This applies more to grocery stores as it is a potential health and safety issue. Other stores can allow it if they want.
2074red2074
California law says they must ban pets (as in they don't have a choice), but it's actually federal law that says they must make the exception for service animals.
caledric
It's not the law, if you would have read the law you would know it doesn't have to be a physical disability.
LostCaterpillar
You might want to check the fine print again...
LostCaterpillar
114259.5.
(a) Except as specified in this section, live animals may not be allowed in a food facility.
LostCaterpillar
Farmers Market is a food facility. There is an exception for cops though. They're allowed to bring their dogs. Also you can have live animals if you intend to kill and eat them. Wouldn't want the law to get in the way of meat eaters.
LostCaterpillar
As for service animals, they're, as per the law, technically NOT allowed in any farmers market at all, no matter the type of disability. Or to put it bluntly, it doesn't have to be a physical disability to be banned, all service animals are banned! Sign is wrong.
putcleverusernamehere
"This is my emotional support cat" "Emotional support animals aren't allowed" "I'm going to eat him later" "Ah OK you're good"
BestIntention
Usually I am with imgur, but this is just ignorant.. many of the service dogs and emotional support animals are required to go through the same trainings. On top of that the quality of the trainings for servicedogs or emotional support animals vary wildly in quality from place to place. There is no one accepted standard that allows your animal to go into stores it always has and will be the honor system
taksoto
ESA has no validation system. One can register a pet as an ESA and only has to pay $20. Now service animals, them are fooking smart and amazing and deserve all the pets(when they aren't working)
motherfluffer
I hear you, but the number of people putting those fake vests and printing some certificate for their neurotic small happy untrained “service” dog is ridiculous. Especially when they just bark and bark and bark
Northstar219
Any animal that causes a disturbance, be they service animal or not, can be viewed as a pet and not a service animal in the situation. For example, If a seeing eye dog ever bit someone, the owner would lose the right to keep them there if asked to leave. I had to learn a ton of the specifics of these laws working at hotel that advertised itself as "not pet-friendly"
motherfluffer
Yes. But I’ve seen well trained good dogs get harassed by little shits because someone needed their Pomeranian. People just suck, and most don’t train their animals. Or go “oh he’s a rescuer” so leave its bitty barrkey ass at home.
Northstar219
Oh for real, it's a problem. I'm just saying that once that dog -does- cause a disturbance it loses all of its legal protections as a service animal
Northstar219
Since there is no government recognized certification. It is entirely based on the honor system but also how the animal behaves
BatLadyRielle
had a friend who said her little dachshund was an emotional support animal. Not only was that poor dog in need of it's own emotional support animal, they were never prepared for taking this dog out into the world. When I was raising guide dog puppies i carried a tote bag with me *everywhere* which held cleaning wipes, a spray bottle of Natures Miracle, poop bags, 2 collapsible bowls, a baggie of food, a bottle of water, doggie shoes if the ground got hot, toys, and a copy of my training binder
brobinson2001
Had a former coworker I rented a room from & she'd lock her "emotional support beagle" up for 12+ hrs/day & it'd soaked her bed with piss & mildewed & she'd just toss layers of towels down before going to bed. Beagles are active hunters, & she was easily 400lbs. I lasted 3 months before deciding living under a bridge was a better living arrangement.
BatLadyRielle
she didn't even bring water for him. We don't talk anymore because I just couldn't stand it.
captaintryhard
ESAs don’t have public access like a service dog. The only privileges they get are for housing. You can have an ESA in an apartment where pets aren’t allowed. It sucks when people bring their untrained ESAs out in public and act like assholes. It make it hard for people with real service animals.
StickeryKnickery
I don’t think shaming anyone who is on a different level is ever a good idea. We all think we know everything about everyone else and really, we ain’t got no idea everything that’s going on. I bet there is nowhere in the world that little dachshund would have rather been!
Panahet
Nah, not when it comes to animals. We are their care providers. Not taking water out with you is a no go. They don't have autonomy, they rely.on you. It's not a hardship on the guardian to meet the basic needs of an animal. If it is, don't own one.
BatLadyRielle
Probably not outside on the hot ground burning his pads where he's overwhelmed by the situation. It's not about being on a different level, it's a lack of awareness and consideration. She wasn't prepared for accidents and she wasn't prepared to take care of his needs. Having different needs isn't carte blanche for being a bad pet owner.
jasonboison
Lol sometimes I'm my dogs emotional support human
LeSethX
I am my cat's door man and also "meow" man when his voice is a bit raspy and he can't say a full "meow" (like a couple hours ago)
jasonboison
Teaching my guy to open doors was not the smartest decision
BatLadyRielle
I had a cat once that learned if she stuck her paw under the door and hit the door from the bottom she could pop it open. Problem was she'd do it at like 3am and then get spooked when we sat up in bed all alarmed, so we would just see the door open on its own and a little white streak go zooming off into the dark
LeSethX
Ha, probably worse than mine. he rattles the door knobs at 3am sounding like a serial killer trying to get in, but just a cat on a mission
jasonboison
Of course 3am, that's prime cat hours. I have to have a sliding lock on the outside of my door. Which looks totally normal 😂
RatSolo
some people are horribly negligent with their animals and ruin for those that aren't; stop pretending "emotional support animals" are the same as service animals, they're not; it's an excuse to try and get your pet into someplace they shouldn't be.
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zerogiven
This sounds like a service dog, not an ESA at all.
bound4doom
Seen a lady the other day at grocery little tiny dog in cart, in a baby carrier seat, wrapped up in blanket, shivering and scared, it was looking around at people with wide whale eye. Lady just totally oblivious. The dog needed emotional support.
BestIntention
Usually I am with imgur, but this is just ignorant.. many of the service dogs and emotional support animals are required to go through the same trainings. On top of that the quality of the trainings for servicedogs or emotional support animals vary wildly in quality from place to place. There is no one accepted standard that allows your animal to go into stores it always has and will be the honor system
Kdvdp
Arent there dogs that help people suffering from anxiety attacks? Arent those emotional support animals too?
GaldorOfNihlem
Well maybe in some cases, though emotional support animals are a very real thing, and some people do really need it, just because some people missuse the word doesn't mean actual support animals aren't service animals. I knew someone that was actively breaking down and their dog was trained to notice when they got self destructive and/or stressed and would help them when they needed it. It's a shame that some people ruin the real meaning behind the good work of these animals.
Vergenbuurg
Also, and I can't stress this enough, with the exception of specific areas designated for it, no dog should be off-leash in a public area, ever. If someone claims their dog is a service animal, but they're letting it run free, they're fucking lying. I love dogs, but seeing a random/strange dog running at you, with zero context, can be terrifying.
Sp1ffy
THIS
HackerJacker
Yeah it really isn't always. Plenty of kids especially can not get the diagnosis to allow them a formal service animal but also cannot manage in certain situations without one.
makesense
Not all of them, but yes, some people do use the phrase loosely.
JoeT85
I've come to the conclusion that there are SOME ESA's that are necessary, but most aren't, and those people are just self entitled whiners.
TaxiGhoul
Somebody needs an emotional support animal.
TheSlackerKing
like my apartment? because some days my GSD is the only thing stoping me from eating a bullet? the dog I was reccomended by my therapist for specifically that reason? service animals are not the same as ES animals but that dosent make them "just an excuse"
BrdCdn
It also doesn't give people the right to take them Ilinto public spaces where pets are prohibited.
Ykeadoodle
That's a very ignorant assumption.
Jcclark122
One of my job responsibilities is to insure guests animals are service animals. I can confirm most of them are not. Unfortunately due to HIPPA, the questions you can ask the handler are incredibly limited, and there is not any proper ID issued to the animal to "prove" it. You have to take the handler at their word, which frequently is not true
DionysianMask
Well, me and Pierre, my emotional support flamingo, who passed all his training that a guide dog would receive btw, will see you in court.
kraeftig
mmm, well yeah and no. Service animals perform a specific task that the human is considered incapable of doing for themselves. A support animal provides other kinds of assistance, but assistance that is not necessarily needed in a public place. For example, someone with minor audio/visual hallucinations would benefit from a support animal at home - Where they can rely on the animal to confirm reality. However, this would not necessarily be needed (or function the same way) in public.
kraeftig
As a result, service (task) animals are protected to be taken *everywhere*. Support animals are, however, limited in such protections, which mainly extend to housing.
saeheria
How dare you! I need my emotional support Komodo dragon for my day to day life and anyone that suggests otherwise is the DEVIL! /s
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
The hatred that some people with working service animals have for people with eMoTiOnAl SuPpOrT aNiMaL burns like the sun.
rainevasquez
Stop pretending you give a shit either way and that you’re literally just sticking your nose in shit that isn’t about you. You don’t know that persons life, leave em the fuck alone. Ya’ll got too much time on your hands being concerned with shit that isn’t about you
Durl
Totally agree. “Emotional support animal” is nowhere near the same as say a seeing eye dog.
spaceseed83
I got approved for an emotional support animal (which was really freaking easy) because my dog at the time was part pit bull and very much looked it. I used ESA to be allowed to have him at my apartment. I still had the sense to not use it any other way. He was in no way an actual service animal.
Praethius
The weird part here is the specification that its ONLY for people with physical disabilities. Service animals exist (ive only seen dogs personally) for people with severe anxiety, ptsd, diabetes, etc. I wouldnt call them ESAs (i think "service animal" is perfectly appropriate), and there are definitely people abusing it to just get their untrained pet wherever, but saying "you only get to have a service animal if we think you look disabled enough" is backwards as fuck
Jcclark122
The only animals the ADA recognize as service animals are dogs and miniature horses.
Praethius
Oh there you go! That would explain why ive only seen dogs so far
DemSumBigAssRidges
I'm hesitant to agree with this. I think too many people have taken advantage of it, but my dog absolutely helps keep me calm.
BrdCdn
Unfortunately you are the minority with ESAs. They need a centralized licensing authority with proper training programs to end the nonsense around them.
DemSumBigAssRidges
Fail to see why that was worthy of a downvote, but ok.
BrdCdn
I didn't downvote. I rarely do.
40185
Agreed. A handful of people can ruin it for everyone. I haven’t been to a ton of farmers markets, but everyone I’ve been to had dogs and they were all so well behaved. But it takes a couple bad owners let there dogs wreck shit to ruin a nice day out for people and their good dogs
PalaverQuader
reducing the service animal to physical disabled is BS though, isnt it. this excludes everyone with a mental disability + service animal. thats just stupid?
rainevasquez
Yes. It’s fucking gross
pineapplesandwich
It’s illegal to say physical disabilities only. So, yeah. This is BS. What they are looking for is “task-trained service animal.” I have a medical alert service dog and my god the BS we encounter on the daily.
jasonboison
California got worse after the pandemic, way too many new dog owners. Unfortunately, we don't even go to the park any more, it's too dangerous sometimes. And these no pets signs only started up recently too, at least at the one in my neighborhood
KalciBone
As someone with a family member with an Emotional support animal; -true- emotional support animals are trained also, just not in the manner physical ones are. They are typically trained to distract from things like panic attacks and stop suicidal tendancies.
pineapplesandwich
A dog like that would be properly classified as a task trained psychiatric service dog. Not an ESA.
rainevasquez
Well acthuallly, a TRUE esa would… gtfo
Monocular0
It still would not be allowed according to this garbage ableist sign, which only recognizes physical disabilities as valid.
laacis2
Wait, let's discuss the fact that this is a farmer's market. Here (uk) pets are not barred from outdoor markets at all, ever.
HackerJacker
That's not really true, they can and are banned from anywhere where the organisers think they should be.
KaneKorasha
Jackass brought his dog to a farmers market here. It bit three people before he got it out of there. That is why they are banned here. Honestly I feel it's a case where it is easier to punish everyone than it is to hold the stupid accountable.
ThrobbinHoodz
Thank fuck we still have some civilised laws in the UK. I did find this very odd.
Wrathma
But my emotional support shark wants to go to the pool with me!
Elbowdeepinabeepbeepsheep
Sure, but your shark might not like all the chlorine.
TheMightyMollusk
Fortunately this is a self-solving problem.
RoutemasterFlash
I hope you and he enjoy swimming with my emotional support electric eel. I usually just sit on the side and watch her enjoy herself in the pool, if that's OK.
JoeT85
If his name isn't Chompy, check can't swim with you
Wrathma
Dang it, his name is Toofs McGee.. guess we'll find a different pool. Lol
RatSolo
I'm sure he'll get along awesomely with my emotional support chum
Wrathma
Aww, that's his favorite playtime pal!
RandyRandalman
I get tired of seeing dogs in the backs of trucks or hanging out windows in traffic.
Justwarlockthings
My dog wears a harness that’s attached to a doggy seat belt. He can stick his head out a little. I don’t see the problem?
tiderfish
Or when the dog is in the lap of the driver. You know they are being distracted
RandyRandalman
There was a drive in restaurant that got basically demolished where I live because this ladies pocket dog jumped down into the pedal area to chase some food she dropped and hit the gas while she was leaving.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Those people are such fucking morons. It makes me so angry
brrrackobama
There is such a thing as a trained ESA. They're often used for PTSD victims, panic attacks, that kind of thing. They should wear a vest while working in public just like any other service animal.
Pelican3
They are not protected by the ADA. PTSD is specifically allowed under services performed by service animals. https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
pineapplesandwich
You are referring to a task-trained psychiatric service dog, not an ESA. HUGE difference.
BestIntention
Also incorrect the quality and standards of training vary. People just hopped on the bandwagon that one was more important or valid than the other.
kraeftig
Fun fact there is no universal licensing board for service or support animals, so any vests or card or etc that someone might present is generally dismissible as a completely unreliable metric of the validity of their claims. However service animals do typically wear a vest, partly to not have to constantly tell people to not interact with the dog.
Pelican3
Correct. The business may ask only two questions. Is that a service animal and what service does it perform. The ADA is written to protect the privacy of a disabled person. https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
MyWifiHatesMe
Except any idiot can buy a vest from Amazon for their dog.
crookedhindlegoni
That's why they have an exception where they don't have to wear a vest when out. (Service animals) since they are always on the job and sometimes vest break down get torn.
adrianontherocks
I’m all for emotional support animals but they are not trained the way service animals are. Emotional support animals means that a ‘no pets’ in renting doesn’t apply to you. But a true service animal will be trained on how to act in public. I believe you can have service animals for things like PTSD though which technically isn’t a physical disability.
Ykeadoodle
A service dog, for ptsd, is also a emotional support dog, and gets thorough training and is certified. It should absolutely be allowed at a place like this imo.
Pelican3
No training certificate is required the law was crafted to have minimal financial impact on the disabled person. You can train your animal yourself. https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
ProjectDA
there needs to be an easy way to distinguish true service animals and the fake paperwork. yes you can often tell by how the animal acts or what animal is used, but theres no data base for companies to quickly point to. so no one is willing to reject them for fear of being sued.
MadamPuddifoot
It is extremely frustrating that there's not a certification process for service dogs. I was training mine for a whole, before I got my current job and meds and everything stabilized, but I see so many people who just claim their dogs are service dogs and then they let them bark and cause havoc and don't correct them. It's maddening.
ProjectDA
those are the ones that buy fake papers online. kind of like those 'buy 1ft x 1ft of scottish land to become a lord!'. its fake, and its not worth most companies time to weed them out from that have real support animal papers. that will often have untrained animals too. there needs to be a true certification and animal evaluation.
MadamPuddifoot
Yeah, every time I see a patient that has "papers" for their dog I know they're full of s***
Pelican3
The law was written to make service animals accessible to people with low incomes. You may train your own animal. Requiring certification places an undue burden on the disabled. Businesses are protected as well because the law specifies certain circumstances where the 1/2
Pelican3
animal may be denied access. Also the owner is liable for any damages caused by the animal.
paintingagency
No Pets leases should be illegal anyway. Having pets is part of the human condition and I'd argue ALL companion animals are "emotional support animals".
Foxsayy
I wish noise laws were extremely strict for animals, but failing that we should at least be allowed to make dog free neighborhoods where counts can't leave their noisy, untrained dogs out all times of the day.
adrianontherocks
Yeah it makes it so hard to find places to rent. But I will never give up my cats (unless it was for their own safety/the responsible thing to do). They are as important to me as people’s children are to them.
paintingagency
I have children and cats, and I 100% understand.
Foxsayy
Honestly, emotional support animal that isn't trained SHOULDN'T bypass any animal restrictions. That's how you get cunty neighbors who let their dogs bark constantly and say "Oh this is my emotional support dog."
metroid2
That's when you get your emotional support dog whistle. It won't make the dogs any quieter but at least you can give the dogs noise pollution too.
Annasugar
Service animals actually do bark constantly. It's bad if it's at nothing, but how do you think the actual service animals alert? I agree with you if it's an ESA and is just barking, but try and keep this in mind. It might not be an ESA and they don't legally have to tell or show you that.
omgdrd4bbq
I've never heard of a service dog alert by barking.
Annasugar
https://adata.org/service-animal-resource-hub/misconceptions#:~:text=A%20service%20animal%20will%20never,blood%20sugar%20levels%20are%20changing they do, it's for specific cases but those cases are something you wouldn't know about unless you knew the person well.
cherimoya
they don't alert constantly though, rather rarely? alerts can be a paw, nose nudge, tug on something with mouth, sit and stare... and some act instead of alert, like stand in the way to physically block, or use body contact to interrupt PTSD/panic attack. also have you literally ever seen someone walking with a seeing eye dog and maybe noticed that it wasn't barking morse code all down the street
Annasugar
You said in an apartment complex. A service dog is supposed to alert. It isn't supposed to act aggressively by barking AT someone, which is what happens when they're on the street. They bark to let you know when blood sugar is low, or a seizure is about to happen. It's a dog's way of communicating, and they do it before standing in the way.
xXCutieMomokoXx
you can also have service animals for things like diabetes, though not a disability it could be a severe medical reason, just like the animals trained to help w/seizures
OtterlyDelicious
Dogs can scent a blood sugar spike or drop in someone with diabetes, and alert them to take insulin or sugar before they pass out or have a seizure
xXCutieMomokoXx
this was more or less what I was referring too, classmate was training their service dog to detect the blood sugar spike/drops so it was interesting, until then I was unaware dogs could detect that
battery1979
If you think diabetes isn't a disability you should really educate yourself on diabetes and get to know several type 1 diabetics. If that's not what you meant, please forgive my comment.
adrianontherocks
Yeah I feel like this sign would be fine if they just removed the physical disabilities part and focused on the service animal part.
caledric
Yeah, if they tried to tell me I couldn't bring my service dog in because I don't have a visible physical disability I'd be all over their ass. My dog's job is to pull me out of walking flashbacks, and keep me from hurting myself or others.
mrwthisusernameisavailble
Still a service dog, still counts. I get what they're trying to say, they just didn't get it right because they forgot about that kind of service dog with all the emotional support animal bs as of late (people abusing the system, ESA are legit)
SteveMND
It's always the worst people in a group who manage to ruin things for everyone else.
DaveDreamsOfDumplings
It would be weird if the worst people made everything better...
Gatorjon
Are you seriously telling me my emotional support Musk Ox should not be allowed on planes?
OneUniverse
Ain't it the truth.
ReverseSyzygy
by definition. (the best people make things better for everyone else)
ComcastLover
emotional support animals are a silly thing in the first place
Ninjainslippers
I used to bring my dog to work. Some asshole brought his unleashed dog in and it snapped at one of the workers in our building. So now no dogs, period. Fuck that guy.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
For example: I’m an excellent drunk driver
CakeOrGlory
I am an excellent drunk driver - in that I don't fucking do it because you can't just "man mode" your way through a fucking chemical intoxicant.
AboutasSnappyasaZipper
I think they were being facetious
CongratsYouAreHereNow
And yet, I get judged by the bad apples who can’t drive drunk as expertly as I can
Malak224
You just ran a stop sign while you typed this. 😐
Rulesy
You can't spell vehicular manslaughter without laughter.
Junktrunkjunkie
Yeah the physical disability thing rules out my dad. He has a service dog to help him cope with brain damage after getting in a wreck. While he recovered most of his brain function. He has these moments where he disappears into his head and can't snap out on his own. He needs a nudge from someone to start moving. Used to go to the store and stand in one spot for 3 hours. The dog is trained to recognize this and nudge his hand bringing him back to reality. The is his lifeline to the real world.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Has your dad ever explained what he’s thinking/feeling during that time? Happy he found a solution
Junktrunkjunkie
He can't really account for the whole time. To him it always felt like a few minutes. He'd just be comparing the price of two similar items on the shelf doing some mental math and then he'd be gone, Possibly doing the same math on repeat for hours but to him it's just double checking his work. Then the next loud sound or something and he'd snap out of it and it'll have been hours.
PicassoCT
Thats super fascinating. Basically his internal watchdog is no longer working so he needs a external one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_timer
destinychopsticks
And replaced it with… a watch dog. That’s actually super wholesome.
shakefu
That’s a physical disability
Junktrunkjunkie
Not a visible one and believe me we have experienced that discrimination first hand. Even his dogs credentials aren't always enough to convince people.
Lulabel73
People who have epilepsy etc don’t have a visual disability. As long as the dog has got the correct paperwork I’m sure it would be fine. They are just trying to stop people faking it so they can bring a pet.
SuperPickle17
ADA laws doesn't require any documentation for service animals. Basically, the animals simply must not be problematic. e.g. not barking randomly or being aggressive.
fake40nedeso
Exactly this behaviour is why a lot of people with disabilities rather stay at home while actually wanting to go out. That's why my father rather risks falling over than taking his walking aid with him. For him it is as if he would be publicly shamed, having to answer such uncivilised questions or worse having full blown confrontation about some nonsense.
SteveMND
My dad only recently had to start using a cane for stability himself, and his neurologist had a devil of a time convincing him of its usefulness, but he eventually got over the stigma and is now much happier getting around. Turns out it's WAY less embarrassing to walk with a cane than it is to, say, randomly fall over in the middle of a busy restaurant.