70 million republican voting americans this year will vote for 13 years olds to continue to have babies because they believe in fairy tales written by conmen 2000 years ago and an orange idiot today.
So wrong! We (Southern Ireland) exported our 'problems' to the UK. Girls and women had to leave the country, lying to their doctors to get the required paperwork, going for the procedure to an unknown clinic, returning as quickly as possible to avoid suspicion. Traumatised. No counselling or assistance of any sort. Things are somewhat different now.
Oh hey here in the US the redhats are actually working to bring that kinda behavior back. They've already done it in all of the worst states and a few others.
All it took was a horrible death in the court of public opinion and 5 years. In a country where 30 years prior, it was difficult to even get contraception. Also, back then, Northern Ireland also had banned abortions, so all of Ireland shipped them to England/Wales/Scotland. And it's weird to hear it called "Southern Ireland". Haha
Women need to just move out of the state. Or save up and help their daughters move away. Band together, deny s3x, help, work or intimacy to men. See how quickly we can force change. The suffragettes did it.
This makes me want to break down in a raging cry. That poor girl. Her life is now so terribly altered, and I can only hope that she receives some additional help and support.
Additional help and support? The bullshit parts of your various government entities only care that the baby be born. What happens after that is a big fuck you.
Tell us how it's done, armchair hero. When the girl's mom was they should go to Chicago to get an abortion; when they're already struggling, and she already works days AND goes to school; when "Mississippi has several conflicting laws and even experts...are having a hard time navigating them." Yeah, they were just being lazy, right? She should have just grabbed for her bootstraps, right?
It says she asked the doctor when she found out the girl was pregnant, and the doctor told her to go to Chicago. Tell me again what a poor woman of color is supposed to do when the medical professional who deals with that shit every day says the best bet is to cross the fucking country to get help.
As someone who is poor and has to go across the country for a third and then fourth time for surgery - you go to Chicago. Or figure out somewhere closer. You don't just let your child go through that and call reporting it to the media good enough.
Just did a quick search and the cheapest bus ticket to Chicago from Jackson, Ms was 276$. Add another for Mom and it’s 552$. Abortion prices were harder to find, but it seems to start at $400 for the abortion pill, but only up to 11 weeks. Most were higher though- $1,000 was common. Add in staying somewhere (even at the sleaziest motel), transportation to the clinic and you’re past $1,000.
And yet America continues to advertise itself as "The Land of the Free." This hypocrisy has been going on my entire life. I wonder if I'll live long enough to see America either admit it is no such thing, or actually establish the freedoms it touts. I doubt it.
I feel like, if you wouldn't be able to get a house or a job or any of the other stuff you'd need to support a baby, you shouldn't be forced to have one.
Best Thing to do in such case is to take the next flight to Europe and get the abortion done without shame. Might even qualify for refugee status to get temporary citizenship, free healthcare and hospitality in some countries.
One of my brother's friends growing up was 12 when he had sex with his 11 year old "girlfriend". She got pregnant. Her parents forced them to keep the baby and get married. There was no bright side to the situation.
all to keep it "above board" by their twisted social standards. they raise children that fuck without protection; then trap those children in marriage, robbing them of so much life experience, to make sure that the baby is born and it's not embarrassing to the grandparents. the abusive exercise of control is fucking terrifying.
They grew up miserable and the now grandparents remain pieces of shit that didn't get punished at all because this country is shit? What else do you think there might be to the story?
I’m 35 and have no kids. Whenever I see a 21 year old my initial thought is that we are the same age and I don’t mind that one bit. Can’t imagine how old I would feel if it was my child
The mindset that produced the idea that they should be forced to keep the kid and get married created the circumstances under which this happened in the first place
Well he moved in with her, and her parents. And their newborn baby. They both ended up promiscuous as hell, but I don't remember them ending up with another kid.
Well... at those early ages, pregnancy is physically devastating. Well... it's physically devastating at any age (and the 6th deadliest job in America by death rate), but even more so that early. It's entirely possible that they didn't end up with another kid because her uterus was ruptured and she simply can't anymore.
No, thats a big problem, kids that age shouldn’t even be thinking about sex, there is a reason why we don’t let our kids watch movies with sex scenes because we dont want them to have those ideas until they are adults
I know about puberty, but i know i sure a fuck wasn’t thinking about sex at 11-12 years old, i wasn’t thinking about that until i was at least a freshmen in high school
Roe v Wade was based on right to privacy. The *doctor's* privacy not the patients. It was only a matter of time before it was knocked down. RBG predicted this at the time and her response was deeply unpopular.
Every state that had ̶a̶b̶o̶r̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶s̶ bodily autonomy put on the ballot has passed it. It is only illegal because of a small religious minority that has been manipulating state legislatures for 40 years.
No. Americans did. They are fascist ultra right religious fucks but they are American you like it or not. It was Americans who voted. It happened in America.
THIS. I have ran across so many "Liberals" that claim they aren't voting in November. "bUt GeNoCiDe jOe!!!"
You cannot claim to have any Liberal/Leftist/Democrat philosophies and not vote for Biden and every Democrat on the ticket this November. You can't. Period. Full stop. It's immoral to do anything that aides Trump and the Conservative agenda, and that includes not voting for Biden.
Well MAGAs are a plague, but unless they're storming the capital they can vote for whoever they want. I may not like it, but that's what democracy is. But ppl who don't go voting and afterwards whine about the outcome of an election, they deserve to be beaten with an ugly stick. In my humble opinion of course
Just seems like you're making more enemies than you need to be. Bad strategy. Some people aren't ready to jump on your bandwagon. It doesn't matter why. You can't compel them to with threats or guilt trips and shame. You need to give them a reason to. In some cases, that would mean compromising your own political ideals, which I DO NOT RECOMMEND. But when ppl paint the issue as black and white, us-or-them, it leaves no room for people to leave their cult. So accept that some people won't.
What are you talking about? My 'bandwagon' of voting for anyone but trump if you don't want him in the white house again? Do you know how democracy works? Because you're about to lose it
Every time i see these stories my brain doesn't even go to maga conservatives. They're a lost cause, they see stories like these and think this is media propaganda or even worse think this is actually the desired outcome cause the baby gets to live. No, my brain goes to Bernie or busters or people now who wouldn;t vote for Biden because he's a genocidal maniac. The crowd that thinks that 2 old white men are the same thing. They are supposedly the most progressive, how brainrotted are they 1/2
to see stories like these and not connect the dots that their rhetoric leads to this outcome. How privileged a life must you live to condemn moderates for "accepting the lesser of two evils" when the alternative demonstrably leads to actual human rights being moved back decades like with Roe v. Wade. How do you get to live on that high horse and call yourself an empathic human being? They annoy me more because progressives are the ones that should pressure towards gaining ground, not against.
No. No. No. The fascists are lost causes. It's the people sitting on their hands because "both sides are the same" that richly deserve the ire. They must be made to understand that if they do nothing - if they don't vote - then they are as complicit in this fuckery as those who intend it.
Well i ve accepted MAGAs are beyond reach, they actively and consistently work against human rights at this point and the facade of "religious values" and morality has dropped efficiently with them willing to follow Trump to wherever he goes. I haven't accepted how you can be on the left and pretend to not see the consequences of your actions and still insist you're doing the right thing and since the original post alrady expresses the ire against the right , i felt like covering the rest.
Fucking stupid argument. Not all Germans are Nazis, just like not all American are ultra right fascists. But,the Nazis we have in our country are German. I may not like it, but unfortunately that's what they are. Same goes with you. Stop being so butthurt about your conservative idiots beings called Americans, just because you are not one. These are your people too, that's what a country is...a lot of people with a lot of different, often idiotic, different views. But they are still Americans.
Technically yes. There is very strong sentiment among germans of that generation to claim that they "didn't know" but they still could have known easily enough. So most germans during the third reich were nazis, with all the responsibility/guilt that comes with that. Given german history, there are still too many nazis today.
But your argument fails to understand that america is in it's early stages, while germany now is more developed today (for example the general lack of national pride).
Hey that not fucking us I can’t stand religion and most Americans are fed up with it too. We’re not the only place to have religious insanity, unfortunately we’re America so we do it the best.
I dunno man, I think ISIS takes the recent trophy for religious insanity. Hollywood quality propaganda videos featuring HD executions of blasphemers was pretty damn wild
Half correct. You are correct in saying that theya re not you, but they are American, as they have American citizenship, which means they are American. Like it or not, these are your people as well. And I get that you do not like it, trust me I know all about it...as I am German.
Notice something? Anything? Name a few countries with "religious insanity". If that's the bar, the bar is low. Especially given the ressources america as a country has.
Resources mean little when half of Congress is bought and paid for thanks to Citizens United and the majority of Americans are suffering from Reaganomics and 60 years of Republicans actively fucking the middle class so the elite can have a few more dollars per share.
News from America is also sensualized and broadcasted worldwide on a level no other country is subject to. Guarantee you every country going "Dang Americans wtf?" has some nasty skeletons in their closet that aren't being paraded around
Sadly that's not so true, yes america is very present in the worldwide media. People are usually also very informed about their own countries. So your argument is in the end: "America gets bad publicity! Russia should also get... oh they are already an open tyranny... then China... mhm also a distopian dictatorship..." See? Some of these bad reputations aren't new. America is "only" about 9 years now turning out to act like a crackhead, of course people are still surprised.
Glad you missed my entire point! By which btw was "Yall suck too" and not "America gets bad publicity" We all know Russia and China suck, but I wasn't referring to them, I was referring to every holier than thou smooth brains who immediatly bring up China and Russia instead of the skeletons in their closet
Horseshit. I say they are Americans because they are Americans. Just because they don't believe in your American values doesn't mean they are not American anymore. They are American nationals, therefore they are American. End of story.
No, it is not the end of story. Lumping an entire country together, due to the actions of a few, is ignorant. And that is the only horse shit I see. But you're more than welcome to be confident in your wrong opinion.
That doesn't matter and for several reasons: first of all it's a matter of the law having enabled this. That's not how a first world country is supposed to act. Secondly, oppinions don't matter actions do. America ist currently still a democracy. The american people as a whole enabled this outcome, with their actions. Thirdly it doesn't change the reality for those affected, you not wanting this makes your country still one of most horrible developed countries to live in.
It matters. We don't say "all Russians want to takeover Ukraine", we blame Putin and their media. We don't say "all Israelis want to bomb Palestinian civilians". Referring to the entire country because of the actions of a few is completely ignorant.
No but you do say Russia is attacking Ukraine just like you would say America allowed this to happen. America allowed extremist religious beliefs to effect it's laws. We aren't saying all Americans wanted this to happen, we are saying it Americans allowed it to happen through inaction
That's not applicable. Putin took control of russia in the year 2000, after 24 years it is easy and obvious to discern responsibility. That is a completely different situation and is seen as such. Look back five weeks ago, can you claim that the general consensus was "Israel is as bad as russia!"? No, no it was not. Also a country can be referred too, by the actions enforced by it's laws. Not by the "action of a few", that phrasing alone is horrid.
CatSparkleBreaker
Republicans will try to make the most of this tragedy by ensuring that the child is poorly educated and grows up to vote Republican
JohnSmithterms
70 million republican voting americans this year will vote for 13 years olds to continue to have babies because they believe in fairy tales written by conmen 2000 years ago and an orange idiot today.
Akshunhiro
VirtualHugger
Goshitsnicehere
Because Trump is a cunt
SofaH3ro
Also mitch who delayed one judge and rushed another to allow Trump to appoint 3
RockKickass
Vote, donate and volunteer
Twinklepot
So wrong! We (Southern Ireland) exported our 'problems' to the UK. Girls and women had to leave the country, lying to their doctors to get the required paperwork, going for the procedure to an unknown clinic, returning as quickly as possible to avoid suspicion. Traumatised. No counselling or assistance of any sort. Things are somewhat different now.
Valtrith
Oh hey here in the US the redhats are actually working to bring that kinda behavior back. They've already done it in all of the worst states and a few others.
TryHardEggplant
All it took was a horrible death in the court of public opinion and 5 years. In a country where 30 years prior, it was difficult to even get contraception. Also, back then, Northern Ireland also had banned abortions, so all of Ireland shipped them to England/Wales/Scotland. And it's weird to hear it called "Southern Ireland". Haha
gyzmok
There was also a boat in international waters if memory serves that provided the service.
BaelKor
The GOP want to rape children legally. Change my mind. They're a bunch of fuckin pedophiles.
whitebbwolf
Curii
That's not bad. I think its a clip from 'Victory Through Air Power', but played in reverse, but its not bad.
GrimNyrah
Women need to just move out of the state. Or save up and help their daughters move away.
Band together, deny s3x, help, work or intimacy to men.
See how quickly we can force change.
The suffragettes did it.
minoshirokin
Hyzenthlay021
https://abcnews.go.com/US/13-year-rape-victim-baby-amid-confusion-states/story?id=108351812 March 22, 2024
Noahbalboa82
This makes me want to break down in a raging cry. That poor girl. Her life is now so terribly altered, and I can only hope that she receives some additional help and support.
The72ndRaven
Additional help and support? The bullshit parts of your various government entities only care that the baby be born. What happens after that is a big fuck you.
ArcaneM37
So would she have qualified if her mom got off her ass and tried to help her?
LoitninStroik
Tell us how it's done, armchair hero. When the girl's mom was they should go to Chicago to get an abortion; when they're already struggling, and she already works days AND goes to school; when "Mississippi has several conflicting laws and even experts...are having a hard time navigating them." Yeah, they were just being lazy, right? She should have just grabbed for her bootstraps, right?
ArcaneM37
This clip says she got confused and didn't try. Not apologizing for directly quoting the source material.
LoitninStroik
It says she asked the doctor when she found out the girl was pregnant, and the doctor told her to go to Chicago. Tell me again what a poor woman of color is supposed to do when the medical professional who deals with that shit every day says the best bet is to cross the fucking country to get help.
ArcaneM37
As someone who is poor and has to go across the country for a third and then fourth time for surgery - you go to Chicago. Or figure out somewhere closer. You don't just let your child go through that and call reporting it to the media good enough.
SacrificialClam
100% someone is gunna try and argue that if she didn't have the baby they would never have caught the suspect.
jalexj
Just vote. VOTE this year. If we don't want CRAP like this, we need to be very CLEAR that we understand it as CRAP.
017renegade
People have voted the man into office. What did they expect was going to happen?
wolf96781
No, no, Americans didn't. Fascist ultra right religious fucks did.
CedricDur
It's not archaic. There is nothing archaic about it. It's purposeful. There are people in charge of laws salivating at the prospect of doing the same.
ConfettiPanda
Just did a quick search and the cheapest bus ticket to Chicago from Jackson, Ms was 276$. Add another for Mom and it’s 552$. Abortion prices were harder to find, but it seems to start at $400 for the abortion pill, but only up to 11 weeks. Most were higher though- $1,000 was common. Add in staying somewhere (even at the sleaziest motel), transportation to the clinic and you’re past $1,000.
tinyfootprints
And yet America continues to advertise itself as "The Land of the Free." This hypocrisy has been going on my entire life. I wonder if I'll live long enough to see America either admit it is no such thing, or actually establish the freedoms it touts. I doubt it.
snafu999
The only "freedom" America cares about, is the freedom to sell guns to exactly the sort of people you wouldn't want to have guns
jrabbitmusic
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syntheticgod8
Too young to drive or go to college, old enough to be a parent, apparently.
BrokenAnimal
Jesus fucking christ... Dude, ya'll gotta fix your country. I don't know how, but shit like this cannot keep happening.
Br0doSwaggins
Mississippi is a Misstake
maintenancewine
You gotta vote blue. No fucking third party, no sitting at home. Vote.
wazeewa
"Amid confusion" Yea, that's a bullshit line. The CHILD was FORCED to have the baby
Shaodyn
I feel like, if you wouldn't be able to get a house or a job or any of the other stuff you'd need to support a baby, you shouldn't be forced to have one.
Someshithead241
I feel you shouldn't be forced to have one period. Even if you can get that stuff.
derekjohn
Ah!, but you see, forcing kids back into work is one of the many things they want to do; they've already started.
Shaodyn
They want to reverse progress back to the 1880s, when corporations could do whatever they wanted with no repercussions.
Shaodyn
Get rid of all that safety nonsense and forget about sending kids to school, because they're going to be working.
Shaodyn
We'll have a capitalist's dream: a nation of stupid idiots who do nothing but work from the time they can walk to the time they drop dead.
Quaxx
Best Thing to do in such case is to take the next flight to Europe and get the abortion done without shame. Might even qualify for refugee status to get temporary citizenship, free healthcare and hospitality in some countries.
SofaH3ro
That is a very expensive sentence
ConfettiPanda
How? Average cost for a flight from the Us to Northern Europe is 1600$ at best. Usually it’s 2,000$. Per person.
Quaxx
I just searched Skyscanner and the cheapest flight is 508€ from Atlanta to Frankfurt (GER).
ConfettiPanda
Well that’s a deal!
ElbowDeepInUserSub
One of my brother's friends growing up was 12 when he had sex with his 11 year old "girlfriend". She got pregnant. Her parents forced them to keep the baby and get married. There was no bright side to the situation.
PwnageHobo
That is so fucked up!
isphot
all to keep it "above board" by their twisted social standards. they raise children that fuck without protection; then trap those children in marriage, robbing them of so much life experience, to make sure that the baby is born and it's not embarrassing to the grandparents. the abusive exercise of control is fucking terrifying.
isphot
i am reminded of the ongoing opposition to eliminating child marriage: https://www.masslive.com/politics/2024/05/nh-lawmaker-opposes-new-marriage-bill-says-teens-are-of-ripe-fertile-age.html they think that kids are "ripe and fertile" and that marriage should stay an option to keep those underage pregnancies unembarrassing to the family without resorting to abortion... with no regard for the life of the pregnant child
saganworshipper
Please continue your story! What happened?
TheGgreen100
They grew up miserable and the now grandparents remain pieces of shit that didn't get punished at all because this country is shit? What else do you think there might be to the story?
saganworshipper
Statistically? Drugs and/or crime.
CatEyebrows
Mandarinduckmama
These are the people who are fine with abortion bans. There are 23 of them. The rest are just keeping their mouths shut.
companydysprosium
Imagine being 30 and your kid is 18
derrymerbles
I’m 35 and have no kids. Whenever I see a 21 year old my initial thought is that we are the same age and I don’t mind that one bit. Can’t imagine how old I would feel if it was my child
ElbowDeepInUserSub
Imagine being 12 and your parents are 24. O.O
SacrificialClam
I'm 18 and my mom is 6 months older than me.
I tried to tell my dad he shouldn't remarry a woman that is his daughter's age but he wouldn't listen.
companydysprosium
🚩 that seems like it's be awkward af
SacrificialClam
(it's not true)
GiantFlyingLabia
The mindset that produced the idea that they should be forced to keep the kid and get married created the circumstances under which this happened in the first place
Mandarinduckmama
Repression?
GiantFlyingLabia
Essentially yes.
Twrecks123
I would think marriage at that age would only encourage additional sex/babies, TBh.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
Well he moved in with her, and her parents. And their newborn baby. They both ended up promiscuous as hell, but I don't remember them ending up with another kid.
LoudBirb
Well... at those early ages, pregnancy is physically devastating. Well... it's physically devastating at any age (and the 6th deadliest job in America by death rate), but even more so that early. It's entirely possible that they didn't end up with another kid because her uterus was ruptured and she simply can't anymore.
dalaiyoda
A lesson was learnt!
WeAllLiveInAUserSubmarine
The system works
pilomotor
You're supposed to teach kids how to use a condom BEFORE they've had a baby, though.
TripleDane
Not that is just encouraging kids to have sex - conservatives.
cuddleskunk
Strictly speaking, this is better than usual as they were about the same age. This is curious kids going too far...which is a lot better than rape.
SneakEFoxxe
Oh for sure I think the kids having sex isn’t the problem it’s the parents forcing them to keep the baby
Toqom
Absolutely stupid parents, I'm guessing idiot religious
Mandarinduckmama
Mmmm, kids having sex is a weee bit of a problem.
neochild
Context matter, if it's them doing it without supervision, then it's their issue. It totally changes context if its supervised......
BrdCdn
That's still a parenting issue. If my 11 or 12 year old is sneaking off having sex I'm not going to go oh well it's their issue.
JustTryingToLiveLife
No, thats a big problem, kids that age shouldn’t even be thinking about sex, there is a reason why we don’t let our kids watch movies with sex scenes because we dont want them to have those ideas until they are adults
cuddleskunk
"...shouldn't even be thinking about sex..." Do you know what puberty is?
JustTryingToLiveLife
I know about puberty, but i know i sure a fuck wasn’t thinking about sex at 11-12 years old, i wasn’t thinking about that until i was at least a freshmen in high school
SneakEFoxxe
I mean yea it’s a problem I just see it as a dramatically smaller problem than forcing women or girls to give birth
cryborg
Sometimes I think Abraham Lincoln made a mistake when he kept the South. What would the U.S. be like if we had just let them go.
butIlikeitbecauseitisbitterandbecauseitismyheart
I dream about this sometimes. Unfortunately, they would have kept slavery and enslaved more people from Africa.
cryborg
Not only that, but we might have constant problems with them, because their economy would be absolute shit.
maeta
Constant problems yes. But shit economy with all that free labor? For *centuries*? I don't think so.
MissKittyFantastiko
Roe v Wade was based on right to privacy. The *doctor's* privacy not the patients. It was only a matter of time before it was knocked down. RBG predicted this at the time and her response was deeply unpopular.
MissKittyFantastiko
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240315-in-history-ruth-bader-ginsburg-foresaw-threat-to-us-abortion-access
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Yes, but not addressing the issue with legislation allowed us to campaign for control of the courts for years
Ximinipot
No, no, Americans didn't. Fascist ultra right religious fucks did.
HighMagosSquidward
We haven't organized a violent crusade against fascist religious fucks so it's America's fault, even the liberals, through inaction.
germican12
Who are Americans
OnyxTurret
How many votes did he get to win in 2016? That many Americans did it.
giganticroboticpenguin
Every state that had ̶a̶b̶o̶r̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶s̶ bodily autonomy put on the ballot has passed it. It is only illegal because of a small religious minority that has been manipulating state legislatures for 40 years.
ephankrised
No true Scotsman, eh?
MrWobblyHead
Americans that vote for the ultra right religious fucks.
trigaranus
Fucking vote and get people out to vote!
Goldensands
No need to write americans twice is there
BillHubbard
The Americans allowed ultra right wing religious fascists to do this.
Teratoid
We failed to protect her. Another dark mark on our social consciousness.
eetsumkaus
More an indictment of our institutions. Remember we are a nation founded by slaveowners and colonists. It says more that our job isn't done.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
"Fascist ultra right religious fucks in my nation? More likely than you think."
thedarkcanuck
I think your average American is most likely horrified by this, but really has no idea what to do about it.
Aefinn
No. Americans did. They are fascist ultra right religious fucks but they are American you like it or not. It was Americans who voted. It happened in America.
MoeMoep
Some americans (read republican right wing neo fascist Christian fascists) did. Not all Americans did.
SharlayTheBarbarian
*neo Christo-facists
MoeMoep
Right Nazi neo christian fucktars Nazis.
Nbiakro
Thanks to dumbasses not voting 'out of protest'
disposabledom
THIS.
I have ran across so many "Liberals" that claim they aren't voting in November.
"bUt GeNoCiDe jOe!!!"
You cannot claim to have any Liberal/Leftist/Democrat philosophies and not vote for Biden and every Democrat on the ticket this November. You can't. Period. Full stop. It's immoral to do anything that aides Trump and the Conservative agenda, and that includes not voting for Biden.
GenStrike
Wouldn't your ire be better saved for people who directly support the fuckery?
Nbiakro
Well MAGAs are a plague, but unless they're storming the capital they can vote for whoever they want. I may not like it, but that's what democracy is.
But ppl who don't go voting and afterwards whine about the outcome of an election, they deserve to be beaten with an ugly stick. In my humble opinion of course
GenStrike
Just seems like you're making more enemies than you need to be. Bad strategy. Some people aren't ready to jump on your bandwagon. It doesn't matter why. You can't compel them to with threats or guilt trips and shame. You need to give them a reason to. In some cases, that would mean compromising your own political ideals, which I DO NOT RECOMMEND. But when ppl paint the issue as black and white, us-or-them, it leaves no room for people to leave their cult. So accept that some people won't.
Nbiakro
What are you talking about? My 'bandwagon' of voting for anyone but trump if you don't want him in the white house again? Do you know how democracy works? Because you're about to lose it
Jinxer13
Every time i see these stories my brain doesn't even go to maga conservatives. They're a lost cause, they see stories like these and think this is media propaganda or even worse think this is actually the desired outcome cause the baby gets to live. No, my brain goes to Bernie or busters or people now who wouldn;t vote for Biden because he's a genocidal maniac. The crowd that thinks that 2 old white men are the same thing. They are supposedly the most progressive, how brainrotted are they 1/2
Jinxer13
to see stories like these and not connect the dots that their rhetoric leads to this outcome. How privileged a life must you live to condemn moderates for "accepting the lesser of two evils" when the alternative demonstrably leads to actual human rights being moved back decades like with Roe v. Wade. How do you get to live on that high horse and call yourself an empathic human being? They annoy me more because progressives are the ones that should pressure towards gaining ground, not against.
GenStrike
Wouldn't your ire be better saved for people who directly support the fuckery?
wineisfine13
No. No. No. The fascists are lost causes. It's the people sitting on their hands because "both sides are the same" that richly deserve the ire. They must be made to understand that if they do nothing - if they don't vote - then they are as complicit in this fuckery as those who intend it.
Jinxer13
Well i ve accepted MAGAs are beyond reach, they actively and consistently work against human rights at this point and the facade of "religious values" and morality has dropped efficiently with them willing to follow Trump to wherever he goes. I haven't accepted how you can be on the left and pretend to not see the consequences of your actions and still insist you're doing the right thing and since the original post alrady expresses the ire against the right , i felt like covering the rest.
kingkongkeom
*who are American
guitarfourtysix
So, by that logic, "all Germans are Nazis" mein Freund ?
kingkongkeom
Fucking stupid argument. Not all Germans are Nazis, just like not all American are ultra right fascists. But,the Nazis we have in our country are German. I may not like it, but unfortunately that's what they are. Same goes with you. Stop being so butthurt about your conservative idiots beings called Americans, just because you are not one. These are your people too, that's what a country is...a lot of people with a lot of different, often idiotic, different views. But they are still Americans.
ordeith
Technically yes. There is very strong sentiment among germans of that generation to claim that they "didn't know" but they still could have known easily enough. So most germans during the third reich were nazis, with all the responsibility/guilt that comes with that. Given german history, there are still too many nazis today.
But your argument fails to understand that america is in it's early stages, while germany now is more developed today (for example the general lack of national pride).
APassingPlasticBag
Hey that not fucking us I can’t stand religion and most Americans are fed up with it too. We’re not the only place to have religious insanity, unfortunately we’re America so we do it the best.
thedarkcanuck
I dunno man, I think ISIS takes the recent trophy for religious insanity. Hollywood quality propaganda videos featuring HD executions of blasphemers was pretty damn wild
kingkongkeom
Half correct. You are correct in saying that theya re not you, but they are American, as they have American citizenship, which means they are American. Like it or not, these are your people as well. And I get that you do not like it, trust me I know all about it...as I am German.
ordeith
Notice something? Anything? Name a few countries with "religious insanity". If that's the bar, the bar is low. Especially given the ressources america as a country has.
certifiedllama
That is very valid point
Frostedjakes
Resources mean little when half of Congress is bought and paid for thanks to Citizens United and the majority of Americans are suffering from Reaganomics and 60 years of Republicans actively fucking the middle class so the elite can have a few more dollars per share.
wolf96781
News from America is also sensualized and broadcasted worldwide on a level no other country is subject to. Guarantee you every country going "Dang Americans wtf?" has some nasty skeletons in their closet that aren't being paraded around
ordeith
Sadly that's not so true, yes america is very present in the worldwide media. People are usually also very informed about their own countries. So your argument is in the end: "America gets bad publicity! Russia should also get... oh they are already an open tyranny... then China... mhm also a distopian dictatorship..." See? Some of these bad reputations aren't new. America is "only" about 9 years now turning out to act like a crackhead, of course people are still surprised.
wolf96781
Glad you missed my entire point! By which btw was "Yall suck too" and not "America gets bad publicity" We all know Russia and China suck, but I wasn't referring to them, I was referring to every holier than thou smooth brains who immediatly bring up China and Russia instead of the skeletons in their closet
FourScoreAndSevenBeersAgo
Saying "American", without clarifying, implies the entire country is behind it. And you know that.
SecondSince
It will be exactly the same as how people speak about 20s and 30s Germany. Stop pointing fingers and act!
kingkongkeom
Horseshit. I say they are Americans because they are Americans. Just because they don't believe in your American values doesn't mean they are not American anymore. They are American nationals, therefore they are American. End of story.
FourScoreAndSevenBeersAgo
No, it is not the end of story. Lumping an entire country together, due to the actions of a few, is ignorant. And that is the only horse shit I see. But you're more than welcome to be confident in your wrong opinion.
kingkongkeom
Are the American citizens? Yes? Then they are American!
It's really that easy.
ordeith
That doesn't matter and for several reasons: first of all it's a matter of the law having enabled this. That's not how a first world country is supposed to act. Secondly, oppinions don't matter actions do. America ist currently still a democracy. The american people as a whole enabled this outcome, with their actions. Thirdly it doesn't change the reality for those affected, you not wanting this makes your country still one of most horrible developed countries to live in.
FourScoreAndSevenBeersAgo
It matters. We don't say "all Russians want to takeover Ukraine", we blame Putin and their media. We don't say "all Israelis want to bomb Palestinian civilians". Referring to the entire country because of the actions of a few is completely ignorant.
Nobanob
No but you do say Russia is attacking Ukraine just like you would say America allowed this to happen. America allowed extremist religious beliefs to effect it's laws. We aren't saying all Americans wanted this to happen, we are saying it Americans allowed it to happen through inaction
ordeith
That's not applicable. Putin took control of russia in the year 2000, after 24 years it is easy and obvious to discern responsibility. That is a completely different situation and is seen as such. Look back five weeks ago, can you claim that the general consensus was "Israel is as bad as russia!"? No, no it was not. Also a country can be referred too, by the actions enforced by it's laws. Not by the "action of a few", that phrasing alone is horrid.