SquirrelWithATophat
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Nov 8, 2025 11:14 PM
SquirrelWithATophat
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RenaissanceFaireMan
Wait until he hears about radio waves.
Snooj
FYI if you slide a letter under someone's door it is not certified. But the person who did it is.
RIxspacexCK
if you look at wifi hotspots youll see all your neighbors and businesses, but without their password you cant access it. there are hackers out there that know how have accessed wifi, and i know of a friend who had a squad of police with a warrant search the computers in his house for cp. they found nothing because it was a neighbor hacked into his wifi! scariest thing that happened in his life
killernat
op can counter with laws about public bands for 2.4ghz and 5ghz not to mention the federal protections around Ham radio usage that may apply
dynamojoe
Stuff doesn't add up here. The neighbor slid a certified letter? The USPS should have delivered that, as the whole "certified" thing is to prove a letter was sent and received. Also, the hallway isn't his space and he can't bill for its use. I'd drop all communication with the guy (not even hello) and shop for a lawyer. If it escalates, hire the lawyer.
Niagaran
Not ever worth that. If he can get a lawyer to take his case (he won't) THEN respond.
TheLeanWolf
What's a "certified letter"? Here you have to sign that you received it or there's no proof you received it, so slid under the door wouldn't count.
spontaneous9
I've sent a million of them to delinquent storage tenants. It costs the sender to send it, & the USPS has a record of it being sent, is all. So for our business purposes, it was legal proof of notification, per contract agreement. Sender can request its receipt be verified but if a postal carrier didn't knock on your door & require your signature for it, there's no proof of delivery.
Bullshit empty threat. You're not under contract, so let them sue you and watch the judge laugh in their face.
sloomoo
You can't slide a "certified" letter under the door. USPS has to deliver them, they are signed for at delivery, and the signature is captured by a scanner. This is how you prove you sent notice, because you have a receipt of mailing, and then can prove they received notice, or you get the mail piece back with reason for nondelivery. Usually Unclaimed. During Covid, carriers could sign the PS 3849 and deliver the mailpiece at the mail box, but I don't think they are supposed to do that now.
PostalHeathen
They aren't, and I've issued refunds for that, too.
sadurdaynight
neighbor is leasing, which means he's leasing the property. That doesn't give them air rights, mineral rights, etc. Hell, even the landlord that owns the building probably doesn't have mineral rights to their own land. If the nut job is sending frequencies and what not, then they probably have advanced gear to detect that, and might be doing something illegal themselve. People that go on the offense are usually doing so, b/c they have something to hide.
abraxasfury
Ask him to prove it's your wifi
invisiblemaniac
This will go nowhere, but I don't taunt crazy. I'd just tell him okay and turn off the broadcast SSID. https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Wireless-Network-Invisible If that doesn't do it, count on escalating crazy.
Currahee63
Did he steal your newspaper too?
IUpvoteFuturama
Was he wearing a tinfoil hat when he dropped the letter off?
MapleSyrupMafia
He might be living next to Chuck McGill.
woozle
devolutionary
Of course not.
Nobody sells tinfoil any more, it’s aluminum foil.
nimeton0
Change your router's name to: "Network Not Found".
dreikommavierzehn
I can see why everyone are taking this seriously, but the most likely angle here is actually fraud. Just going for a 'settlement' over nothing to get free internet at the least, or a lump sum of cash for very little effort.
Sure that's not legal either, but proving that would cost time and resources (like a private investigator), whereas the police probably won't do anything if there's not more than just this one incident reported by that person.
IslaNublar
Dipshit doesn't realize his apartment is being FLOODED with tons of RF every second, all over the radio spectrum. Also, as a licensed ham let me tell you, this guy has zero leg to stand on. The WiFi router is FCC licensed for operation which makes it legal to use on the frequencies it supports. If a cop were to show up to a ham's house and demands they stop transmitting they can tell them to piss off because the only person with authority to tell them they have to stop is the FCC. The license...
IslaNublar
for the router gives the same protection for the owner. Neighbor is asking to be spanked in court. Then I'd counter-sue for wasting my time and tack on all the legal fees incurred as well.
PostalHeathen
He'll take you to court, then the judge will tell him to fuck off.
OdinYggd
Not only that, but the judge can also order him to be on the hook for your legal expenses. Which can result in hilarity, and a strong incentive to not try this ever again.
SquirrelWithATophat
When I was a kid there was a segment in the news about a lady who was constantly suing all her neighbors over EVERYTHING.
Super ridiculous and frivolous crap that made no sense. If I recall correctly many of the neighbors were having to give in to her ridiculous demands because it was getting too expensive to keep fighting her in court, even if she frequently lost her cases. Eventually a judge had enough and banned her from ever filing lawsuits without explicit prior approval from a judge.
cameloDancer
He sounds like my neighbor who put a faraday cage around his wifi router, to "limit his and his dogs exposure to electromagnetic radiation".
Sixsystems
I had a guy that had his router mounted behind his fish tank, was wondering why his WiFi signal was low.
grandfalloon
Probably because of all the porn his fish were watching.
PostalHeathen
Did he then complain about a weak wifi signal?
spiritplumber
Forward a copy of the letter to the FCC. They love this sort of thing.
IceKarma
Huh, they do?
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
I'd call in a wellness check.
NickNoltesDrinkingShack
There are no grounds there. You can't stop people from using wifi. Gd crazy idiots.
TheSecondPiewackit
"You need to try this with the local radio station first."
Mechwarrior719
Let this go to trial. I would LOVE to see the judge’s face
NickNoltesDrinkingShack
See I am with you, but with things being the way they are... I feel it would better to avoid being in situations like that all together. There's the whole time and money aspect, and idiots like that never seem deterred from their stupidity...
Chemie99
Also "air space" relates to aircraft and buildings not radio waves which is governed by FCC. Did he send Verzion and AAT the same demands. Also, how does he know it is yours?
SavageDrums
The WiFi SID is "Fuck that crazy asshole across the hallway in apartment 506".
L0rdinquisit0r
rename the network to CIA MndCTRL and that will bering out the real freak in him
blzrdphoto
Wait until they find out about cell towers, radio, and tv signals. It’s gonna blow their mind!
TheSmuggestPineapple
View it like an email scam or one of the "your social security number was found used in a crime" phone calls. Dipshit probably gave the letter to everyone, and the goal isn't the 47k the goal is probably an ongoing payment akin to blackmail or for some of the people to say "oh but all i can give is a few hundred!" and get an easy payday.
It's a scam and a shit one at that. Personally, it feels like blackmail or extortion and pressing charges against dipshit feels appropriate
etopsirhc
he can claim all he wants but unless he owns that band of radio frequency he cant do shit. the FCC owns the bands and sets aside use of them. he'd have to sue the FCC for it and that just isnt happening. it's the equivalent of a "fence them out" kind of state. you dont want the bands there, farraday cage them out yourself.
Stefnos
sounds like a conspiracy nut.... and those people can be VERY dangerous if you dont play thire games with them..... so you might want to considder going to the police..... I am in fact being serious even tho it might not sound like it
RooGryphon
the neighbor would know id have guns and i am not afraid to use them. he can try me and find out, while ignoring his legal nonsence
1maddane
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Sageypie
Oh yeah, iirc, the full updates were just that the crazy sonivabitch was making stuff up and posting things as if they were legally binding or relevant or what have you. His "certified letter" was slipped under that guy's door, which isn't how that works. Think the OP was just advised to keep his distance and ignore the guy. Keep the notes just in case, but ultimately none of it was actual legal documents and wouldn't hold up if the guy tried to bring it to court.
channelranger
Yeah my first piece of advice would be "Get a doorbell camera, record all interactions, avoid all interactions."
deletable
I though that the ‘Signing” for a certified letter was the part that ‘Certifies’ it…… slid it under the door?
yqpqfrdp625772
It is authorized use. The fcc authorized it, and he has no rights to that spectrum beyond what the fcc grants all people.
whatbuttondoipush
Bro is on the spectrum if he thinks he can charge for other people's wifi
hipifreq
Came here to say just this. Wifi is an authorized use of a public spectrum
SquirrelWithATophat
He's also crazy and his decision making is not grounded in objective reality. So there's always the chance he will actually drag people into court over his own delusions (potentially repeatedly if the judge, predictably, doesn't side with him), which will cost time and money. More for those he sues, since I doubt he'll have a lawyer eating up his own money.
VodkaReindeer
I agree that he is crazy, which I why I wouldn't be worried about what he would do *in court*
Skeevethegreat
Every suit requires proof of damages. Even if the person who is being sued doesn't show up in court, the crazy person wouldn't win anything because he hasn't been harmed.
nojustsayitdont
If he filed this in court, he would lose. The defendant then asks for court costs and lost time as part of the judgement.
SquirrelWithATophat
They don't have to win the lawsuit to do harm to the target. Going to court costs money because the defendant is going to have to take time off work to go, get a lawyer and pay all the applicable legal fees. And if the neighbor is as crazy as he sounds, there's a good possibility they don't have much money (likely minimum wage job at best, with family members who don't want to deal with him paying for his apartment/etc) and thus the defendant isn't going to be able to get any money out of them.
yqpqfrdp625772
Tell him that if he files, the judge may well fine him. If he manages to get a lawyer to take the case, point out the fcc regs and remind them they could face sanctions for filing a frivolous lawsuit where even if all of the factual assertions made by their client are true, there would still be no basis in law. Tell them you WILL be making a complaint to the state bar if the suit isn’t dropped.
evilspock
Anyone can sue you at any time for anything, perfectly legit or entirely frivolously.
Do not let your actions be determined by crazy people.
This comment is right - this is a licensed use of public airwaves. It's radio. His living space is saturated by signals in thousands of frequencies, not just your wifi. You have no liability here - he's a nutter.
On the incredibly small chance he actually sues - he'll lose. Counter for court costs and get a cease and desist.
SquirrelWithATophat
Depending on how crazy the guy is, that might end up being like trying to get water from a rock. Sometimes these sorts of crazy people are not stable enough to hold down a job (or the only places that will hire them are min wage), so they live off handouts from relatives who don't want to deal with them, and just pay for things like food and housing for them to keep them out of their hair.
In such a case you'd end up wasting more money they you stand to get back by counter suing.
evilspock
So don't?
Point is - appeasing idiots or the insane is a very bad plan.
SquirrelWithATophat
Part of the problem is that in the US there is a severe shortage of resources for dealing with crazy people. Often times the only way to get them help is if a rich family member has them involuntarily committed to a mental hospital and pays for it. Or if the crazy person becomes an active threat (kills someone or starts burning down buildings, etc) and the police are forced to arrest them.
Sadly there usually isn't much that can be done about these people other than wait them out. 1/3
codenameRadical
I can sue you right now cause I think your hair is stupid. That's entirely within the realm of possibility. The trick is that the judge would chew me out for wasting court time, and I might even be liable to you for legal fees on your end.
PostalHeathen
OP could always just set their SSID to hidden and tell the nutjob that it's off.
Telemapus
This guy sounds like a prime candidate to freak out by changing your SSID. Not to "FBI Surveillance Van" that's too obvious, but something like VALKYRIE_Vector_17_nsa#shunt
OdinYggd
It'd be more fun to get multiple routers and put them in various closets around the outside of bad neighbor's unit with the FBI surveillance van numbering. That way it looks like they are surrounded.
d3jake
Too many devices still show the network as "Hidden Network" on an access/Router list.
AntaNce
Yah, but whose door will he imagine he 'slid' the 'certified' letter under?
sms001
But he'd have plausible deniability.
sadurdaynight
nut job probably has war driving gear to detect every signal around them. The folks making a fuss and going on the offense usually have some serious skeletons in their closet to hide, like running a cp server or some other illegal shit.
PostalHeathen
"Nope, not me. Good luck finding it, though!"
cousteau
Everyone can mention legal actions; doesn't mean shit. I would encourage this person to move forward and see the dumbass neighbor say this in front of a court.
RooGryphon
yes, take it to court out of spite and lawyer up yourself, then go after them and make a show of the retard trying to scam you by turning it in to that and have hIm pay your legal fees when its tossed
Morkath
They should absolutely contact a lawyer. They clearly need a restraining order against this nutjob.
Emjayen
Isn't it a case in the US that, even if you win, you still have to pay your own legal fees? This seems easily abusable.
rshini
That depends on the judge's discretion, in the plaintiff's case, if the judge deems the lawsuit has no merit, or worse it was done with ill-intent, the judge will rule the defendant's fees as part of the judgment, but you can't rely on that.
NothingPrince
Then counter sue for time wasting
aufdie
Whenever somebody threatens me with legal action I tell them to have their lawyer contact my lawyer, all communication has to go through her and she'll only talk to their lawyer.
So far nobody's gone through the trouble of getting a lawyer to find out I don't have a lawyer.
DaddyDune
How many times do people threaten you with legal action ???
Muffyns
or they have but cant find your lawyer that doesnt exists
mezzidriel
The opposition would just send papers direct to the person if they can't locate your representative.
GRaffted
Another question how does he know it’s your WiFi? Did you rename your WiFi with your real name or did he swipe a billing mail from your mailbox (a federal crime).
SquirrelWithATophat
I would imagine the neighbor won't be able to find any lawyers willing to help them sue over "electromagnetic trespassing". However, that might not stop the neighbor from filing frivolous lawsuits that do nothing but inconvenience everyone and cost the target money going to court, etc. The neighbor sounds kinda like one of those "sovereign citizens" who draw up all their own legal paperwork and try suing people over stupid shit.
IceKarma
If they've tried to pull stunts like this with the court before, you might be able to get them branded a "vexatious litigant"...
SquirrelWithATophat
I remember seeing a segment on the news as a kid about such a person. It was a lady who kept suing all her neighbors over EVERYTHING. Talking normally outside a few houses away; playing with a basket ball next door; etc. Some of the neighbors had to just start giving in to her crazy demands because it was too expensive to keep going to court. Finally a judge branded her a vexatious litigant and told her she was forbidden to file any new lawsuits without first getting permission from a judge.
IUpvoteFuturama
Sounds more like one of the Green Banks West Virgina types.
IceKarma
Naw, they make no mention of health or medical issues, just the so-called "trespass".
IUpvoteFuturama
Idk Electromagnetic trespassing seems like he's on the way there.