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Most Viral Edit: Did not expect this thing to blow up like the Deathstar. If you feel like sending me something, go ahead.
DangerDaveHiggins
So Darth Plagueis was a gray jedi possibly?
Craicerjack
"The genius of star wars..." - the same film that had jar jar binks....
1mshadowbanned
removekarling
For those unfamiliar, this is pretty much a fan theory/fiction not actually really backed up by anything in legends or canon.
AndKnowingIsHalfTheBattle
AtsaMattaForYou
tornik
D0pester
There's no chance in hell that Lucas ever thought of this in any way. On the topic of sand though, he could write you a fucking essay.
Peregrine2976
Based on no evidence whatsoever, but a cool idea.
Heliogabalus227
Imgurians prefer headcanon to actual head, it seems.
Molvanian
Makes WAY too many assumptions and discounts far too much canon. But hey, everyone loves Grey Jedi... for some fucking reason.
Solid5outof7
The book Darth plagues is really good. It made me think he was able to impregnate Shmi with using his strong knowledge of the force.
removekarling
He didn't conceive Anakin - the force created Anakin as a response to Plagueis's experimentation. The force pushed back against him.
deflatedballoon
Roqinn
I agree. There is no Dark or Light side. It is all in how you use it. Energy is energy. It is neither good nor bad. It just is.
elfes92
That’s whack
3dartwork
Except Dooku was Qui Gon's master.
Xordar
The Clone Wars addressed the dark side and the light side, as well as the force teaching jedi such as Yoda.
javjav
Rebels addressed the existence of several beings that embody the Force beyond the Jedi and Sith understanding of it. All ancient and wise.
Lowestscoreever
Long and pointless.
SickOfThisCessPool
Except for the force ghosts which existed before the movies are set
WalkerCalvert
This is just... Kinda dumb.
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
Yeah... one of those garbage “can’t we all just be friends and hold hands” theories. Sometimes bad guys are just bad guys. End of story.
lorcan0c
The first chapter that we see Plageuis in, in his own novel, has him outright murdering his own master under a rockslide. He's evil. End of.
LonelyHumanBoy
Wasnt that after Tenebrous tried to kill him himself? or hinted Plagueis was not longer useful?
BradyHarkonen
There's lots of sith ghosts on Korriban. Darth Plagueis was not first to discover immortality, Vitiate's Ritual of Nathema came long before.
removekarling
Vitiate is even mentioned in the Plagueis novel as being the first immortal sith, just not invulnerable.
Idsertian
Hell, you basically have to outwit one in KotOR, if my memory serves.
javjav
And before that you have canon mentions of this in the Dark Forces and Jedi Knight stories.
BradyHarkonen
I don't believe Dark Forces is canon anymore. They kind of replaced that with Rogue One.
javjav
Oh well, "legends" if you want to be a stickler for wookiepedia. I don't think much of anything is of interest is canon at this point tbh.
HurkWurk
playing SW:TOR, you learn that light and dark are like the Christians and Islam. Both arguing that their "way" is correct, while ignoring
ImNotSureWhatToCallMyself
ummm
RCBSUPERMAN
Man shut the fuck up.
removekarling
No, you learn the Jedi are flawed and some Sith have some 'nobility' to them but they are in no way equal - the Sith are evil.
HurkWurk
the truth, which is that there is no way at all. what is, is. that is all.
NocturnalGreed
I don't know why you're downvoted. Even the books reffered too a time where there was no light or dark sides, that rift was man-made.
HamDangler4TheAngleOfTheDangle
Deadpoolio7
ifPokemonWereReal
I loved that scene
DrSharkbite
SolidestCurve
Got em
JuggernaughtJoe
So I have read the Darth Plagueis book. Palpatine kills him shortly before this scene which means that qui gon died way before Plagueis. He
ZombieZooZombieZoo
So Plagueis is alive for the first 2 prequel movie?!
removekarling
No, Plagueis is killed at pretty much exactly the same time Qui Gon and Maul are killed. He's alive during the first movie.
lorcan0c
If Plagueis was alive during Phantom Menace, I'm amazed Maul was around. "Rule of Two" and such. His apprentice having an apprentice? Odd.
removekarling
Sidious trained Maul as an assassin, a Jedi-killer, not really as a fully fledged Sith. However Sidious did plan to make Maul his (1)
removekarling
apprentice proper after killing Plagueis. Funny thing is Sidious is troubled by the force shortly after killing Plagueis - he thinks it's (1
lorcan0c
I mean it's not unheard of, seeing how Dooku had Ventress while he himself was an apprentice to Sideous. But unusual all the same.
JuggernaughtJoe
And palpatine orchestrated palpatine going to the senate since palpatine was a young man. Plagueis power came from him experimenting on....
JuggernaughtJoe
Force users by killing then and bringing them back to life. It said when palpaatine killed him it was because he was drunk, celebrating....
JuggernaughtJoe
Palpatine becoming the senate. Plagueis attempted to bring himself back via minipulating the force but palpatine ebsures he dosent.
Silverwyvern151
Darth plagueis was an idiot who wanted to be partners with Palpatine, like equal and like sharing power and breaking the rule of two.
thatskindahot
some of this isn't fan theory. go read any of the now de-cannonized books about the greys, or look at Luke's jedi academy. 1/?
thatskindahot
the books have been hinting at and sometimes blatantly stating that the middle ground is the most powerful, it's just hard to stand on. 2/3
thatskindahot
3/3 Plageius, however, never became a force ghost nor a grey, though he was powerful. Qui-Gon learned through old tomes and holocrons.
thatskindahot
if you want to claim "fan theory" actually base it off the entirety of the material, not just the movies that everyone has seen.
neil137
force ghosts fade after several years according to the lore, fading into the force
DrKriegersClone
Has the new Disney canon confirmed whether that's being kept from the EU? Rey hearing Obi-wan's voice in vision in episode 7 suggests not.
neil137
if that wasn't a hallucination, it is still within the boundary of "years". no solid number is given, but 20 is near the limit
DrKriegersClone
Well the line between vision and hallucination is subjective. But it's supposed to be set 30 years after Jedi, so 30+ since Obi-wan's death.
neil137
it's still possible within the lore, but most force ghosts dissipate by then
BigfudgeDrshokk
Darth Plagueis also was so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life (Anakin)
flavivsaetivs
This is literally what happens in the EU novel. They don't think Bane was the Sithari so they try to create him and accidentally make Anakin
Time2Wasted
Ironic. He created the padawan to kill the padawan that killed him.
Greatwood
Darth plagueis came in upon shmi skywalker and filled her with the holy spirit
Mgiggity
One might even say he forced himself on her.
icyanddicey
That was so bad it broke to the bad limit and became good.
Mgiggity
Always nice going full circle.
DelayedArtisticGuppy
GarroshWasAnOKGuyUntilHeWasnt
moved on her like a bitch
absolutezero182
grabbed her by the pussy
PiggyWobbles
force grab
1mshadowbanned
iamthefriend
Knowing that it was Daniel Craig beneath that helmet I am sure the thought crossed her mind at least once. Woulda crossed mine if I was her.
NoImDirtyDan
Take it from someone who’s read the Darth Plagues book three times. This explanation is bullshit
beccabearr
Thank god someone said it. Biggest bullshit theory ever. Woe were the days when people read.
TomVix
Even having not read it... It cracks in many places.
flavivsaetivs
Unfortunately as amazing as it is, it's now non-canon.
codepoet2
It would be weird if this turned out true at all, I agree. But... Technically that book is no longer canon.
NoImDirtyDan
Cue the Darth Vader “nooooooooooooooooooooooooo”
GIHunter6
It's canon to the George Lucas extended universe. Which is the only good universe because the Disney one is hot garbage.
grentacular
It's "kind of" canon. The currently canon Tarkin book references things from the Plagueis book. It's weird.
lorcan0c
Tell me about it. Everyone who makes theories about Palpatine/Plageuis without reading the fucking book inevitably make an ass of themselves
JoeVandergraff
The book isn't Canon and not part of the official Star Wars universe. Nobody has to base anything off the book.
lorcan0c
Canon or no, the book informs Plageuis' actions and motivations. If you're theorising about a character, that's crucial information.
lorcan0c
Otherwise you can make ANY theory about anyone, and say "WELL YOU CAN'T DISPROVE IT!!!" which is totally assenine.
jokeyjokemaker
What book? A friend of mine would like to know. It’s me. I’m the friend. But seriously, what book?
Leoc1505
I'm assuming "Darth Plagueis" by James Luceno
jokeyjokemaker
Thank you
NoImDirtyDan
Yup
DeadpoolIsMySpiritAnimal
I am pretty sure that the Whills tell you how to become a "force ghost" and I am sure that Plagueis wasn't a secret grey jedi.
Derrick4Real
Nerd
BradyHarkonen
If you've read the book you can be pretty damn sure that Plagueis was definitely not a grey jedi. He ate a guy's heart ffs
RelativeVelocity
So, you have heard the story of Darth Plagueis the wisr
seronx
He just ate a guy's heart? That is pretty tame.
TheGreyKnightsBANNED
Tame as fuck compared to the shit I see because of khornite daemons.
z3lfmoord
So? Vader blew up planets killing billons and still became a force ghost.
BradyHarkonen
No need for a "lightsaber" measuring contest.
z3lfmoord
I see your Schwartz is as big as mine
DeadpoolIsMySpiritAnimal
Qui-Gon also states in the Revenge of the Sith novelization that immortality is a possible end-result for working with the Whills' teachings
z3lfmoord
Please elaborate
DeadpoolIsMySpiritAnimal
That was the elaboration.
iputthefiresout
Except Palpatine didn't say he learned the key to immortality, but that he could keep the ones he lived from dying
YoureMyBrotherBear
This is blast unrelated to your comment but related to the post- it states there that the force isn't an actual being, but in swtcw in 1/?
YoureMyBrotherBear
An episode Anakin Obi-Wan and Ahsoka find some mysterious prism in which they travel into and end up meeting, the dark side, light side 2/?
YoureMyBrotherBear
And as some assume is the "Grey" side. A son a daughter and a father make these up. Really good episodes. Adds some depth to StarWars.
Ryebread91
But though transfer of ones connection to the force to an open vessel you are immortal and didn't he do that?
Summonsays
One little typo makes his accomplishment an every day occurrence. lol.
RPCd
...but not himself.
thisuserenameisalreadyinuse
frogjg2003
The ability to create life and the ability to stop death are not the same thing.
iputthefiresout
True, but it's stated he can do both. He could create life and prevent the ones he lived from dying. He couldn't save himself from dying
lorcan0c
Yes, but let's also consider that the abillity to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.
kepler20c
And let's all remember that the force is insignificant without an Engineer with an axe to grind.
MultiTrackDrifting
I like it, but it gives George Lucas waaaaaaay too much credit for having a clear vision of what he was writing.
PmMeGifsForSauce
Shhhhh let us have this
SeraRelm
I don't like George's writing in star wars. It's rough and coarse... and it gets in everything.
Pigdogcow
Yeah, how would Vader & Kenobi know how to turn into ghosts? Answer is AFAIK, it's relatively common in the SW universe, certainly the EU.
sciencebasedlifeform
Yeah after the 5 ounces of mushrooms he ate writing return of the jedi with the teddy bears I doubt he had that much vision
JamJarre
Yeah he churned out that script in a few weeks in one draft
sprinckletitties
I still don't understand why we don't have an official cannon yet.
Rip42
Here, use this one.
sprinckletitties
lol, that's embarrassing
DonaldTrumpsTravelBanIsAGoodIdea
Yeah seriously. The entire shit show of that the prequels were pretty much completely disproves this theory.
feeltheice
Plus yoda learned how to be force ghost by some magic users
GozerTheGozerian
I don't like it, but I agree, as a massive Star Wars fan it's reading WAY the fuck too much into George Lucas' writing.
NotoriousPNG
I think you should read the Star Wars Ring Theory.
MultiTrackDrifting
I have. It’s coincidence and utterly accidental. Lucas is just not that smart or prescient. It’s akin to the Bible code. Pure pareidolia.
DickDastardly404
Lucas was the epitome of the “throw enough shit” metaphor. Basically said yes to everything, because he could grab some of the profits 1/2
DickDastardly404
Completely via the methods of the Texan sharpshooter, this means that some of the EU fluff makes sense out of the senseless 2/2
Ryebread91
Is the Texan sharpshooter you fire enough bullets you'll hit something?
DickDastardly404
The way I heard it was that the Texan sharpshooter spends an afternoon laying down an enormous volume of fire at the broadside of his 1/2
DickDastardly404
Barn at random, then draws a circle around the tightest grouping, and claims to be a sharpshooter. If you only take one section of 1.5/2
Retroarcade88
I wouldn't write George Lucas off so quickly. he may not have been a master cinematographer or director, but his themes are still potent
Retroarcade88
Furthermore, Lucas may not have been a great writer, but his attempt a providing a story of grand Shakespearean style merits credit.
Retroarcade88
Should probably specify, not a fan of the prequels but this scene makes Revenge of the Sith stand out.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
His ex-wife should get more credit for improving on his visions. He had some good ideas, but she honestly improved them.
gernjer
JJ might see this theory through. I believe he has a clear vision of the end game for Star Wars.
NotoriousPNG
JJ Abrams has never had a clear vision for the end of anything he has ever made. And I say that as someone who loved both Alias and Lost.
NotoriousPNG
He even gave a talk about his ‚Mystery Box‘, that his grandfather gave him, and that he will never open, as an analogy for his storytelling.
gernjer
I saw that too. It’s the reason I think he’ll see it thru. When it comes to Lost, there are two camps. I’m on the side that liked it.
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
I disagree, he knows how to CREATE stories and worlds like no one else. He just can't tell them. He knew what he wanted, just not how to>>
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
get there....like the director version of autism I guess.
sowillo
Ya even Hamill wishes that disney went with Lucas's ideas for the new ones
foofypoops
Didn't his ex wife polish ep IV&V, and that's the only reason they're so awesome? I agree, Lucas is good at world building. Shit at all else
TheFastpaws
Sadly after the divorce. He tried to erase all proof of this like a bitter old fucking asshole.
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
Between his ex polishing IV and V and everything Kasden did for V, yeah. We almost ended up wit Boba Fett as Vader's brother
foofypoops
*shudders*
Rexsplode
Lucas actually stated several times that the dark side and light side are two different things, so this theory crumbles immediately.
neliz
Lucas also calls lightsabers laserswords.. so there's that.
sciencebasedlifeform
Roddenberry called them Trekkers....just because you created something doesn't mean you know shit about it...
AtlanticPENUMBRA
AREN'T THEY, NELIZ? TELL ME THAT THEY AREN'T LASERSWORDS. SAY IT. I DARE YOU.
neliz
they're plasma projectors
AtlanticPENUMBRA
pew pew
TheAngryMarineBiologist
This is what I call 'The English Teacher Effect', also sometimes called 'The Rick and Morty Effect', when a franchise or work becomes 1/?
bumbleBandit
I’m with you. 100%
MCEscherWasADouchebag
Honestly, sometimes I feel like this is what it is in most cases. Especially in things that take a serial format, I feel like often they >
MCEscherWasADouchebag
will shape later episodes so that things that weren't meaningful or planned in earlier episodes suddenly take on this symbolic form. >
MCEscherWasADouchebag
It's kinda cheating when you think of it like that, because it's very easy to inject symbolism in earlier works like that. <
MCEscherWasADouchebag
NB I realize this isn't the same thing you were talking about, my version is more a matter of authors capitalizing on that particular effect
TheAngryMarineBiologist
Well known to this kind of degree, or is studied extensively, fans come up with their own theories that invariably go far beyond the 2/?
TheAngryMarineBiologist
Creator's intent, seeing patterns and coming up with ideas that the person writing the story never even thought of or did on accident 3/?
TheAngryMarineBiologist
The question thus becoming, is the merit in a work what the original author intended? Or is it what you see in it. Lots of people mock 4/?
TheAngryMarineBiologist
Fans of Rick and Morty for overanalyzing jokes and scenes, yet this really isn't too far removed from the entire study of English 5/?