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RedCannibal
Evolution
Sarahuhmanduh
I have this hanging up at my desk at work. Aerospace Engineer > Mechanical Engineer > Project Engineer. Social skills...minimal.
GetOffMyLawnYa
Because humanity is a team sport.
was821
That's totally me, except without the excellent employment potential and ability to fix things around the house
rshini
Because being actively unpleasant is a good way to not get anything done.
AbigailLongbottom
As a Software Engineer at a major company, I have to say this doesn’t work this way...
wangchangbackup
Because if they have to interact with your ass they don't want it to be awkward and/or uncomfortable.
ReadyorNotHereIAm
#awkwardengineer
InterstellarOdyssey
Screw being overly social, I hate people. Most of them are barely tolerable in today's world.
Freyja33
Because otherwise you end up an unbelievable cunt like Scott Adams.
rshini
Seriously. Money and stability is nice, but if you can't stand to be around your spouse, you're gonna be in for a bad time.
Codered97
Scott Adams is a creepy misogynist Mens’ Rights Activist and huge Trump supporter so maybe think about that when looking at his work.
thisisprocrastination
Well at least he's not a feminist, so he can't be all bad.
DamonHawes
I’m more successful in my work with a BA than my friends who got degrees in business and engineering. Social skills are everything ♂️
OneLadBand
Engineer here, Its true. We have little or no social skills.
SometimesILeaveTheHouse
Engineer here, and I concur. I can fix your problems provided you leave me the fuck alone.
Lucerto
Because those skills are valuable to society and surprise, society is made out of people.
zackofspades
Fuck Scott Adams.
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zackofspades
Exactly. Really creepy fuck as well.
thedrownedworld
I know many highly social engineers of all ages and backgrounds. Let’s not generalize... they have been some of the kindest people I’ve met.
Holodeck5
We HAVE to generalize, that's how language works. If I call a book one thing and you call it another name, we can't communicate. However 1/2
Holodeck5
We should not judge a person by they way they appear. In general the skillsets of engineering and social interaction have little overlap
OnismPiglet
I had a partner who was hyper intelligent, with no social skills- he couldn't understand why saying cruel things was bad if they were ->
OnismPiglet
honest in his own opinion. He genuinely couldn't understand how saying something genuinely cruel was in any way wrong if he thought it true.
Wulfgang77
There's always a draw back to any inherent advantage, sadly. Balance is needed. I used to be surrounded by people like that. Not healthy.
OnismPiglet
Gosh, he was so intelligent, like human 2.0 intelligent. But he lacked an emotional filter... wonderful person. Just hard to be around him.
aidennelson
Now look buddy, I’m an engineer. That means I solve problems.
7562d1b7c8
Uhm, in this context? Because I'd rather have a warm loving relationship than a little more money to buy stuff I don't need.
parseltonguedatass
Knowing that Scott Adams believes Trump is playing 3 demential chess (like he feels he does) and his general attitude towards women (1/2)
parseltonguedatass
Brings a whole different shade is meaning to these Dilbert comics. Also his house is shaped like Dilbert’s head.
BladedPenguin
Well at least he's done something right.
breothskin
It’s a multiplier. Let’s say you have some education and skill. Those are valuable on their own but add the ability to communicate and 1/2
TimurKl
People's killing us, introverts..
breothskin
2/2 personality such that people WANT to listen to you and work with you and you just multiplied your ability to excel in the long term.
Ymgurian
This guy/girl gets it. Thanks for a nice clarification.
Namotatop
Being pleasant to be around is a good thing, but the lenghts some people expect you to go to fit their social expectations are totally nuts.
thisisprocrastination
Such lengths as?
Namotatop
There's people that expect you to apologize when sneezing, for example.
thisisprocrastination
:D You mean you don't?
Namotatop
Dude, why would you? When someone sneezes, I say "bless you", they don't need to apologize, they're sick already :U
thisisprocrastination
Because they're making loud noises and potentially spreading disease. Both apologies and bless you's are polite. Like thank you and yw.
wiresnake
because you need social skills for literally any social interaction to work properly, including personal relationships. essential life skill
The701
It just sucks when you have to run "social interaction" like it's a software-emulated patch, rather than on efficient dedicated hardware. :\
The701
I can do it adequately or passably at work to seem personable on some level,but even with years of practice,it still doesn't come naturally.
wiresnake
it didn't come naturally to me either. i still struggle with it sometimes. each situation is a unique leaning experience.
ElbowDeepInAHorse
Putting the cart before the horse, I see.
Allanonshea1
I sense you like to put things behind the horse
BoomGoesTheThermonuclearDevice
It's always horses with you, isn't it?
HarrisonLichtenberg
He tells 'em like he sees 'em. He's a horse biologist.
nihilistdad
Like this?
ElbowDeepInAHorse
BoomGoesTheThermonuclearDevice
Ymgurian
Watch out, you'll give him a new fetish.
Holodeck5
People get too worked up about politics. Does anyone know Michelangelo's political views? Does ANYONE care? Normal Rockwell, DaVinci? etc.
morphis
2017-2018: Having political opposite friends is not allowed while culturally opposite friendships are to be encouraged.
AxelBeingCivil
secretive nature, he developed some very complex views that are of great interest to those pondering art's place in society. So yeah, (5)
AxelBeingCivil
Yes, actually. Michelangelo depicted critics being bitten on the dick by snakes for eternity, and his works were profoundly infleunced (1)
Holodeck5
I stand corrected. Let me restate, does anyone besides art history buffs, or poly-sci buffs care about the artist's view Vs. the art?
AxelBeingCivil
Anyone with any care about art, how art shapes society, and how art is shaped by society.
AxelBeingCivil
for Da Vinci, we have huge quantities of his journals, and they inform us a great deal of the character of the man. Despite his (4)
AxelBeingCivil
which they were developed. Norman Rockwell, meanwhile, was profoundly political, painting The Problem We All Live With back in 1964. As (3)
AxelBeingCivil
people know, and people care. (6)
AxelBeingCivil
by the Humanist schools of thought developing in his time. His paintings cannot be fully admired without understanding the context in (2)
DelightfullyOdd
Unless you live in an engineering town. "I'm an engineer." "Oh, so am I, my brother, my cousin, and my aunt's neighbor's retarded niece!"
The701
"Engineering town?" I didn't know they had those.
nushi23
Silicon valley
DelightfullyOdd
Huntsville, AL is what I think of. Big military/NASA/commercial aerospace/research presence so engineers were a dime a dozen.
The701
Ah ok, makes sense. I don't know if I've been to a place like that yet.
flamingflamingo
I lost a little love for Dilbert when I found out the writer of the comic is a huge Trump supporter and kind of an asshole.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
SamCane
No kind of about it
flamingflamingo
It just seems like a waste. His comics are really smart and witty, but he's wasting all of that by being a fucking twat.
SamCane
It's important to remember there are different types of intelligence. Emotional intelligence is clearly lacking in this case.
flamingflamingo
In his case or my case? I don't disagree, but I'm not sure there's been a show of any emotional intelligence in either case.
SamCane
His case, obviously. That would be pretty rude to be talking about you.
SerialChillinSpree
Have you boycotted movies when you found out it's an untamed sexual breeding ground for assault, inequality and projection as well as 1/
SerialChillinSpree
the Dem party for close ties to Hwood including but not limited to accepting campaign contributions and working closely with industry leads?
flamingflamingo
Oh wow this is probably the hardest strawman I've ever heard. What an interpretation of "lost a little love". I'm not even reading the rest.
SerialChillinSpree
I'm just asking a question. I mean, look @ you, not reading a hilarious, office cartoon cause of artist support to one side. Fkng infantile
flamingflamingo
Who said I didn't read it. I just said I lost a little love. That's all the info you have to go on. Take a chill pill.
ydwyrd
So, similar situation to Orson Scott Card and his intense homophobia?
flamingflamingo
Haha, that's news to me. Lucky for me I already hated Orson Scott Card.
gtmiller
It wasn't obvious he was super Catholic?
ydwyrd
Who, Card of Adams? I don't know about Adams but Orson Scott Card is super Mormon.
ydwyrd
*or
gtmiller
Fooled me, based on the series after Ender's Game
arrbos
I took Dilbert off of feedly a couple months ago when I found I was automatically reading his inane blog troll headlines and getting angry.
arrbos
Haven't missed it, tbh. I can just slam through the archives every few months.
flamingflamingo
I was reading an interview between him and someone from WP I think. He was defending Trump at every turn, and when the interviewer had him >
flamingflamingo
> cornered, he said "well YOUR politicians aren't perfect either". What kind of intelligent rebuttal is that? He's a real dick.
arrbos
Yeah, he's all about gargling Trump's cock. But I could live with that if he didn't let the cum drool out all over his comic page.
batmanmf
Oddly enough, social skills are the number 1 determinant of overall success... I don't get it either.
Cyzyk
Leveraging additional humans is more productive than maximizing the potential of a given human.
thisisprocrastination
Evidence that our society is still quite primitive.
bigbrain446
Because collaboration is conducive to success.
SerialChillinSpree
Social engineering, public speaking, making / building a connection, swaying opinion, leadership are 'soft skills' that influence & likeable
AxelBeingCivil
There's no best determinant of overall success without a definition of what success means. Different measures have different determinants.
JonniUtah
It’s simple. If everyone in your industry likes you personally it makes success a lot easier to attain, regardless of skill set
primarian
Social skills -> better networking. The larger your social network, the more you can benefit from nepotism.
The701
And our species is a social one, so it's a form of positive feedback - a snowball effect.
nihilistdad
No they are not. IQ and conscientiousness are.
dingofdong
IQ is irrelevant, it's a more or less meaningless number that primarily measures how good a person is at taking IQ tests
nihilistdad
Sure buddy. I fell like I'll be wasting my time trying to explain it to you. Watch this instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSo5v5t4OQM
robioli
Social skills improve your ability to communicate your ideas, coordinate a larger effort and work within a team to achieve more.
Watchtheadventuresofpeteandpete
True, but if you’re socially skilled but an idiot performance wise, whatever ideas you communicate will be garbage.
isitworthitthenlemmelurkit
Have had several bosses that were strategic idiots but capable extroverts. Seems to win out almost every time.
fiery831
It's the worst. Taking a class called "Power and Influence", and I have decided that gfvvvujii3ewsx z]\
hammersquirrel
Look, if he was dying, he wouldn't bother to carve 'aarrggh'
fiery831
My cat decided to describe my feelings as gibberish.
sauronater
In general, women prefer someone who can take care of their social needs and make them feel better when they are down. Mental well being etc
nihilistdad
In general, women prefer a provider and a protector for their children. Everything else is secondary.
ILikeToCallItLostWages
Also, when people end up in a position to choose who they want to help/hire, they choose people who weren't dicks. I'm not a schmoozer, but
ILikeToCallItLostWages
I showed up to work every day on time and did my best to look after the interests of people I worked for. When it came time for referrals,
ILikeToCallItLostWages
name came up with glowing reviews, and the cycle continued with relationship after relationship.
TheWeaselKing
You were lucky enough to be working for people who recognized actual good behavior more than social BSing, or had no competition from BSers.
ILikeToCallItLostWages
You're not wrong, but part of that luck was having people who recognized social BS'ers for what they were and who didn't do the work.
nihilistdad
Care to share your sources? Because, while social skills may be marginally helpful, they are not a very good determinant of overall success.
batmanmf
Actually, I really wish I knew where I heard this fact now. If I ever come across the source, I'll let you know.
nihilistdad
It's not a fact but nonsense. Women are more social than men, are they more successful on the average? Sociopaths are often successful, too.
batmanmf
Pretty sure this was talking about overall success, not just financial.
nihilistdad
Overall is a very vague definition. But even then, there's hardly any data to corroborate the claim.
WhereTheWildThingsPoop
I listened to Dilbert creator (Scott Adams) on Waking Up With Sam Harris. No longer a fan of the comic.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
All of S.Adam's talking gigs disappeared overnight because:
Asteroidrules
He's also a delusional lunatic. Although supporting the pumpkin in chief does kinda imply that.
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
downvote away, it's a fact. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/a-cartoonists-nihilistic-defense-of-donald-trump/537297
QueenCousland
I made the mistake of reading his comments on the comic's website. Fucker thinks Trump is a genius.
jesuisgur
Probably started as a troll... Now ?
Keru
oh no, Scott Adams brain broke real hard on 9/11.
cogitoro
I agree. And I can see folks are already giving you shit for not being politically impartial. Screw that. I'm just a dude on the internet.
cogitoro
That's our privilege as individuals. Conservatives hate Barbara Streisand. Sure, they say they just don't like her art. I skip the mendacity
cogitoro
It's just an extra step: "yeah, I hate their politics, but that's not WHY I hate their art!" Yeah it is. And that's fine.
EtherealRune
waking up with who now? can you elaborate on what you mean
FoLokinix
It's a name of something. Based on context I would assume podcast of some kind.
80percentlegs
Waking Up is a podcast with the host Sam Harris. He’s a writer, philosopher, and neuroscientist.
EtherealRune
thank you
80percentlegs
Holodeck5
WHY? Art is art, I like Mel Gibson as an actor and a director, I hate him as an anti-semite and misogynist. Why can't u just appreciate art?
cogitoro
I can, but also: I don't have to. I'm not an important art critic, and I can say "this art sucks because the artist sucks" if I want to.
cobaltandchrome
These comic in this post sound a bit MRA in context of Scott as a person. “I’m smart eng, logically panties get wet.” Ew to the max.
thisisprocrastination
Maybe that's the joke?
TheosophicBlues
Exactly. Knowing more about the artist can change the context of the art.
rshini
Because in this case, Dilbert leaks all of Adam's gross "WHY NO WOMAN WANTS ME THEY JUST BIMBOS" attitude
Holodeck5
my point was in response to "No longer a fan..." Indicating that the person liked the comics, until they learned more about the artist
rshini
It's context. Like Milo and Otis after learning they recklessly endangered and killed many of the cats and dogs. Hearing Adam's attitude 1/2
rshini
shows Dilbert's whining is less of a loser engineer character flaw and more Adam using him as a mouthpiece about how he's right. 2/2
AxelBeingCivil
Because some things are tainted by association for people. Why does it matter to you what someone else does or doesn't enjoy?
Holodeck5
You can enjoy whatever you want. I have been told by people that I am not "SUPPOSED" to enjoy Mel Gibson's work because of his beliefs 1/2
Holodeck5
No one on Imgur has yet told me what I can't like, but I have been criticized in the past for such "offences" against the holy P.C. culture
justafloridaman
Do your own thing. I don't agree with the blogs Scott has written (stupid 'new' design, grumble) but the comics are still enjoyable. Do you.
AxelBeingCivil
discriminated against more than their own personal pleasure. (4)
AxelBeingCivil
harmful impacts upon people. For example, supporting a sexist artist gives them a platform for spreading their noxious ideas. Many (2)
hedgehogsinhats
I'll tell you you can't like pickles then, just so that someone has.
AxelBeingCivil
No-one can stop you from enjoying what you enjoy. They can, however, advise you that supporting a given artist financially can have (1)
AxelBeingCivil
people choose to not fund such people, even though it denies them happiness, because they value the humanity of the people who get (3)