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ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
Selerox
Remember, a fine just means it's legal for a price.
GodAintReal
Our values are FUCKED. We are FUCKED.
gobbin
The whole American justice system fucking stinks.
DrKonrad
DJOldguy
Ken Paxton is a traitor to the Republic. His true calling is him on his knees in front of Trump and that won't be a twinkie in his mouth.
Predicto
No question that the system is stacked in favor of the rich, but Keith McHenry's story is a bit more complicated than picture #1 suggests. He was trying to get arrested to draw attention to his causes. So he went out of his way to refuse to cooperate with the city on things like permits, food safety inspections, time and location, etc. He was doing good, but being arrested was part of it. He's also a 9/11 false flag believer and a Covid antivaxx nut, for whatever that's worth.
Fatbellynsmokestomuch
Its a direct reason to advocate to pull the rich and currupt from their homes and sieze their wealth.
or0b0ur0s
Law is supposed to be designed to minimize behavior and organizational phenomena we don't want, and maximize the kind that we do want. Apparently, what we want is cruelty & corruption, because we go out of our way to punish absolutely everything else as harshly as possible.
Iaimtomisbehave
#4 Texas top cop is leading an assault on pregnant women, kids, and the LGBTQ community, what's it gonna take to get you fired up Texans? Vote! Volunteer if you can: https://www.texasdemocrats.org/vopro .
taez555
obzervr
Fines should be a % of earnings,
proxy5000
Trentlane1984
pinkmilkyway
Yes, crime is most definitely a social construct
Subsound
It certainly is.
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cacapoop
Wiegraf never actually said that shit.
MillerLitesaber
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
cleverascanbe
After researching it further, you're right. I've deleted my comment.
Lassannn
Akule
I feel like one of those side branches will lead to the Robocop/Weyland-Yutani corporate dystopia.
drduffer
Great post. The deck is supremely stacked against the majority of us.
The modern “Golden Rule: The rules are made for those who have the gold.
OhIfIMust
triggrhaapi
#1 Keith McHenry also called 9/11 a false flag operation and pushed anti-vax rhetoric during COVID. His heart is largely in the right place but he's also a stark warning about the Crunchy to Right Wing pipeline.
jt42
He just needed a permit to distribute food. Was also slapped with felony assault and theft charges.
ComoSeIguana
#4 Ken Paxton is a major piece of shit and he needs to be removed immediately
stevencloser
From the gene pool.
Noitisnot
It's infuriating to me that they tried, but Republicans lost the nuts to do what was right. But, if they cared about justice, they wouldn't be Republicans.
elbowdeepinawhateverthatis
miked854
#6 this is only partially true. It depends on how the fine is calculated. Fines can be levied based on annual income or net worth which would scale fines to the offender. For example, a minor violation might be 1% of annual income resulting in a $200 fine for someone making about $24k per year.
AgnosticPaladin
Sure, they can be. But are they? I mean, in the US.
Aaaurelius
Scaling fines to the offender still doesn't account for the poverty line. I'd say #6 is actually mostly true.
Trelis
If a penalty is only a fine, it should be based on your income and/or wealth. Many fines that EU levy against companies who fail to implement their rules, are fined a percentage of the revenue of the previous year - a percentage that will increase upon additional failures of implementations. Which enough to have companies like Google, Meta, Amazon, et al. actually adjust their behaviour and follow rules.
sadurdaynight
Also, reduce the amount of stuff the LLC protects execs from. We're at a point where these massive companies roll over in their sleep, and it drastically shifts economies. If they're "too big to fail" then they need way more regulation to ensure execs aren't using them like sledgehammers.
LuminoZero
Anything that is 'too big to fail' shouldn't be under private control. If a company is so large that its collapse would cause unreasonable damage to the countries economy, then the company should be seized by the Federal Government. We CANNOT allow the rich to control the law, and that is the only thing this allows.
Shoutrr
that's what you get when your whole society is based on seeing money as a virtue. I'm not saying shit like that happens elsewhere, i'm saying it happens in the us muuuuch much more often because of this lie: people having more money are more virtuous, because to have that money they have worked hard (lol), thus they aren't lazy, and therefor desserves all the help and leniency they can get. This also work in reverse for poor people.
Subsound
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
Exdeath5000
#6 Until you make the fine a percentage of net worth and actually enforce it. 10% fine for X crime for Musk would be $19 BILLION atm. I know it is a fantasy, the rich write the laws here, but would be nice to see
Lowslefthand
Fines are really fees the rich pay.
NappaTheFriendlyGhost
I've always believed that the fine for any money or business related crime (fraud, bribery, etc) should be the amount of profits estimated to be made from it plus a fixed amount based on net worth. Any fines for non corporate stuff should be % of net worth (specifically net worth because many rich people have very little actual money as far as the government can see, most of it is either hidden or tied up in something).
bearatrooper
Hunt them for sport.
PoorSucker
Let's Musk get a speeding ticket in Finland
OrionJC
Remember seeing a program on the Autobahn in Germany. Apparently there are sections with speed limits and those areas the speeding tickets fines are a percentage of your annual income. The police officer being interview for the segment mentioned his highest ticket so far was like $26k.
NewtGinGrinch
AOC is rich?! Seems like the rich run enough spin machines that misinform voters to get in GOP who then reward them with cuts/deregulation.
Exdeath5000
Sorry to break it to you but AOC is one of 435 reps... She is up against a brick wall when it comes to making change
NewtGinGrinch
And that brick wall is built by the disillusioned GOP voters seating GOP reps that stonewall any and all progress or debate. MAGA points to GOPs obstruction and claims "bOtH SideS" are bad, let's tear down the federal govt and institutions based on the inaction GOP has purposefully caused. Want change? Flip Right voters and defuse Far Right instead of ignoring or taunting them. The issue isn't that Dems aren't progressive enough. We need MORE seated Dems.
KleptoKea
Other countries do it. Americans could catch up and do it too
GnomeDeGuerre
We had an anti-monarchy revolution and got constitutions. We can have an anti-corpo revolution.
SavageDrums
They keep us too busy just trying to survive every day in the hell that they created for us...
Mostlydeadpool
the problem is you can't behead a corporation. it's just a piece of paper. You need to kill corporations by holding those who benefit from them (shareholders and directors) for their actions. it won't happen. but it's a nice thought.
Thorbane
How do you kill a corporation? Seize their assets. All of them. If all their stockholders could end up with nothing if they fuck up bad enough to get a corporate death penalty, they'll be more cautious.
SavageDrums
Which is why the idea that "corporations are people" is patently absurd on its face.
StellarJay77
I'd even be okay with a percentage that scales down the higher someone's wealth is, kind of like a tax bracket. So like if you make over $1Billion your fine is like 1%.
StellarJay77
Which speaking of tax brackets, the wealthy really need to be forced to pay their fair share, like yesterday already. Which, let's be perfectly clear, should be an effective tax rate at 50% or more for the ultra wealthy. Their wealth is a direct result of extracting way more than their fair share of other people's labour value so it's only right that more of that labour value is forced into the tax coffers to provide more of the support resources that people need.
Hexrowe
Even a percentage hits you harder the less you have. This is why progressive taxation is a thing.
Exdeath5000
Start the percentage fines at X income level
Hexrowe
Yeah, that's the right direction (and also how progressive taxation works, at least over here in Finland). Just saying, these things take an _amazing_ amount of sweating the details just to avoid accidentally rigging the system unfairly in favor of the rich.
PatrikLilja
I think it could easily be a base fine + a percentage of earnings above, say 50k, for example.
Would mean the poorest pay only base fine. The ones earning millions would essentially pay the percentage.
Also, for some stuff, only if repeat offenses. Like a minor wrongful parking is just base fine first time/s it happens but includes a percentage if happens again. It can easily be fixed to be more fair.
EmanNiemThcin
That's why day-fines are by law prohibited from reducing the financial means of the person who has to pay the fine below the 'existence minimum'. https://www-buzer-de.translate.goog/s1.htm?g=ZPO&a=850c&_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en Literally all of this has been thought through by a multitude of countries all over the planet, you would just need to Ctrl+C Ctrl+V it into your legislation.
DancesWithHippos
In the US, if these laws existed anywhere, they'd be selected and Ctrl+X'ed. Being hungry and poor is a crime here. :(