Feb 19, 2016 4:06 PM
Fascistmanbearpig
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Etal00
But you pay Walmart employees twice. For the purchase you make & the taxes paid cause they aren't paid enough to support themselves.
tangowolf
Assholes who yell and scream at police officers are as idiotic as snarky bitches who complain to the person checking out your groceries.
ExplainThisJoke
"become a police officer! be your own boss!"
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gabberz1996
i masturbate
heffalumpisbetterthannone
Glad you figured it out
MissMath
I hear this comment too and I'm a teacher
It's sad really. I'm military and I hear it every time I get to home
bloatedplutocrat
Nine years now, three deployments, never heard it once. Treated very well by the public. 'Preciate the thanks.
pleonidas
The circle jerk is strong with this one
AshCheeks
I usually tell them that "welfare isn't a taxable income, SO..."
BigBun
You pay taxes just like people on welfare pay taxes. It's just taxes in circulation.
InquisitiveRaptor
yeah...no, something tells me most of the people who scream in cops faces like that don't pay taxes.
JuliaY
Or they pay signicantly lower taxes than many others.
Kiez120
She's not yelling in his face. Her eyes are directed at something behind him.
KiloElectronVolt
"Terrible breath, how about mace!" -Officer, Probably.
I like it!
swinglinered
As individuals taxpayers/voters, we are not listed in the Org Charts. It is an indirect thing.
MikeAracter
http://imgur.com/xmPdLaH
mmfrancis
Hand her a penny and say here's your part of my pay and by the way I want the change
Vesika
http://imgur.com/rnAMzia
n3cr0fag0
They're their own bosses.
raidleadergutts
They are the enforcer class. Their bosses, the rich and ruling classes, won't punish them for doing their job of keeping the masses at bay.
YallNeedMises
Truer than most might think. Their one qualification is the fact that they have guns and a self-claimed exclusive right to initiate force.
revelator
Government employees are net consumers of taxes. Private sector workers are net payers.
BronzeLeaguePro
Not necessarily. Minimum wage earners would get more out than they put in.
imooforyou
Stupid minimum wage people. Don't they know Walmart needs more tax breaks? And pay absolutely nothing?
Problem is, if they paid the tax breaks instead of the govt. then their competitors would get an advantage over them. Shit sux m8.
Seluu
Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
merdadimadi
Great line
diverbuzz
Just because some water bint threw a scimitar at me isn't a basis for proper government.
CluelessAmerican
What's the difference between repressed and opressed
LoTRFanatic42
Well I didn't vote for you.
Newjerseysuccesstory
You dont vote for king!
Iaimtomisbehave
http://imgur.com/80nZt
YouTasteLikeABurgerIDontLikeYouAnymore
quiet. BE QUIET. SHUT UP.
Garouleloup
bloody peasant!
bolingas
Oh what a giveaway!
DaBulls1980
Oh did you hear that?
GreaterDog
I'd love to be part of an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
JAFIOI
When I get the comment, "Thank you for your service", I always reply with "No, thank you- your taxes pay my salary". I get some funny looks.
AlexGalbraith
1. She's shouting past the cop. 2. They were protesting the killing of an unarmed man. 3. She never said this.
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Follow her eyes, man. She's def shouting at something beyond the cop. Shouting near him is not assault. And a good bit of the comments are
Directed at the woman in the photo.
elitereloaded
Shes checking to see if her mouth and his chin fit like a puzzle. Its a piece that you have to pound to make it fit http://imgur.com/kupS5De
kastabbin
Have to pound to make it fit, eh?
You got that right, big boy.
DarthFutuza
I'm pretty sure she's trying to tell him she wants to make sweet love.
invertedbubble
Had to open this picture and the original in seperate tabs and click between them rapidly to be able to tell the difference. AM I RETARDED?
wardencantdance
I don't know why people think that they have some unassailable right to be dicks to public servants like police. Stop being dicks.
ccaldw12
Yeah but just because you wear a badge doesn't mean I have to kiss your ass either.
FishstickPizza
If only there was some weird middle ground.
origins of police, you would know that police were created to serve the interests of the rich and ruling classes. They don't protect you. 2
Protect the rich from the poor basically
They do not "put their lives on the line" for the safety of citizens. They do it for a paycheck, and if you cared to study the history and 1
No one forces them to do that. They signed up for that job. You give respect to get it. PERIOD. I don't care what your job is.
RandomStranger55
1. It's your job if you're a cop. 2. If you're a public servant paid by public money you're expected to act at a higher moral standard.
andtheseashalltell
Had a boss ask, 'how much did you pay last year?' Then slap a quarter on the counter and say, 'there's your part of my pay. Now get out.'
daffodilpuke
This was on the front page a month ago but it was a teacher last time
popopocelot
Ive only dreamt of such a moment. Ur so lucky.
UndercoverDumbledore
A guy I work with (at a school) did something similar when a parent was going off on one.
Eu4ix
I'm a little drunk and I don't get context. Could you find it in your heart to explain like I'm 5?
Who's counter?
Whose*
Geekyre
Boss in this context means one of the people who are screaming my taxes pay your salary
Ahh gracias
TallDude
Guy says "My taxes pay your salary." Other replies back "How much taxes did you pay?" and then gives him a quarter to show as a refund.
This makes sense. Appreciate clarity sir.
FsImgur
Yeah, but - does that count as additional income for the refundee? He's have to file an amended return now..
It depends if he took state/local as an itemized deduction. If not, tax refunds are not taxable income. Fed refunds are never taxable income
Most take a standard deduction anyway so it hardly applies
Perhaps, but it wasn't refunded through the proper channels. Kind of like if your friend from the IRS said "Yo, here man - take $50 bucks".
Treblaine
"WAITER! I may at one point pay for this meal, that means I'm your boss, so as your boss I demand you let me act like a total fuckwit"
Oh god so many people act like this
WonderHowLongMyUsernameCouldBeBeforeImgurStopsMe
@OP honest question here cause I am legit confused. if tax payers "pay" the salary of the police, and police pay taxes, whats the point 1/?
of them paying taxes? since the money they are getting is already tax money? I am seriously asking cause we have something in denmark 2/?
where students are being "paid" to take an education. we get paid by tax payers money. yet we still have to pay taxes of that money. IM LOST
GamerTrevor
Police officers are still citizens, so they'd still have to pay taxes.
Simple. Cops just contribute to the big pot of money like everybody. Those taxes dont just go towards LEO. It's distributed
i get that. but whats the point of putting back into the pot when they are getting from it?
Cause that's how taxes work. Just because you are a cop doesnt mean you don't pay. I'm military and there's nothing special about my taxes.
ToasterLiberationFront
As a volunteer firefighter/EMT, I fucking love it when people say that to me.
fireassassin1108
Same..it never fails..there is always at least 1 idiot who says this to us
Wheatizard
You sir, have my respect!
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Why?
amw666
Satisfaction guaranteed or your fire back
As military, so do I
martymcflyjr
Same as me being a special Constable in the UK, I just laugh at the haha
lambaline
Thank you for volunteering!
sayerplayer
Give them a dollar and tell them now they don't pay your wage.
ObiWanShalomi
Lmao....fuck people
spudpicker
As a teacher, I'm tempted to remind people that my taxes pay to send their kids to school. So don't freaking waste it.
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
I feel like you might be using sarcasm.
DeniseReade
To most of my patients I can validly respond with, "When have you ever paid taxes?"
icanthateyouanymore
Today we went out for a cardiac arrest. The wife wanted us to go to Temple(45 minutes away bypassing 2 other ED's), because the patient 1/?
oh... these are always good... kids, come gather round; it's story time!
had his knees replaced at Temple 4 years prior. We explained that it didn't matter, and we were going to the closest ED, and that's when 2/?
the "My taxes pay your salary! I'll go to the freeholders meeting and have you fired if you don't listen to me," card came out. Mind 3/4
you, the closest hospital is a cardiac hospital, and the absolute best place for him, if we can even keep pulses at this point. Silly people
Privacycontrolsforyourimagesdeleteandedityourimages
so basically the wife wanted him dead but wanted someone else to blame for it
vladimirstudmuffin
Never had a problem with the NYPD (1/2)
Then again, I don't live in NYC (2/2)
IMakeUpRandomFacts
You contribute to a large pool of funds that provide various public services. Does not make you a boss. STFU
Elroydb
It DOES give you partial ownership of an organization and a proportional say on how it should be run
In a free market it would, assuming that was the agreement, but as things are all it leaves you with is a lighter wallet.
Through voting and elections. You can't order or expect public servants to be subservient to your every whim
Of course not. But there are times you need to remind public servants that they work for you not the other way around
ScruffyB
The "taxes -> boss" argument might be stupid, but the People's control over their government is the fundamental ideal of American democracy.
CaptainArminius
That has nothing to do with taxes though. You're always gonna pay taxes no matter what type of government you have.
subsevid
and in most democracies you get a vote regardless of the amount of taxes you pay. it's "rule of the people" not "rule of the tax payers".
Proxy, not literal.
EdwardHarley
The US in not a "true" democracy. It's a democratic republic.
itsbre
America isn't a democracy though, it's a republic
America is neither. It's an imperialist police state.
Technically, a republic is a country run by the law, so a police state would count as a republic
DoctorWatchamacallit
madison would disagree. he pointed out early on that pure democracy could devolve into idiocracy and advocated representation by the 1)
2) educated and social elite so that sensible decisions could be made by people who know what they are doing, but are not totally alienated
yummmmmm
until the idiots make it into the ruling system
3) from the public either.
It's a delusion, unfortunately. How much control can we truly have over an institution which claims the exclusive right to initiate force?
plenty, when staying elected means appeasing the people. But you don't want total control by the people, lest it devolves into idiocracy. 1)
2) If the US were a PURE democracy, Slavery and segregation would never have been abolished. The government in the US is meant to be a
TheAnarchoCapitalist
Hello friend
3) system of checks and balances, to prevent any one group from abusing power, whether it is the rich, the military, the idiot public, etc.
3) every government to have ever existed. How many democratically elected rulers around the world have decided at the ends of their terms
1) What I'm saying, though, is that there *is* no way to check the power of a group that claims a monopoly on the use of force and has the
4) that they don't really feel like giving up control after all, and --because they have the loyalty of a military-- the most their subjects
one thing that has literally NEVER happened in the USA.
2) firepower to back it up. The only true power is violence, and this is the awful truth festering beneath the noble mask of Order worn by
yes there is. You forget that in a republic, the jobs of the people in charge depends on who votes for them.
2) also there's a thing called the supreme court.
5)can hope for at that point is to best them in civil war and maybe pick what's left of their lives out of the smoking, blood-soaked dirt?
again, you ignore COMPLETELY that this scenario assumes absolute power of the president, which is laughably naive. It ignores that the
2) Supreme Court AND Congress are there specifically to prevent this exact scenario.
2) Supreme Court, Congress, etc., only have power to the degree which they have soldiers willing to do violence on their behalf.
1) You might do well to defer calling my position naïve until you've thought through your own. I'm not ignoring anything. The president, the
monadi
Noooooooo. Just no. There is no need whatsoever to give up freedom for safety. They are civil servants whose job it is to help us 1/2
& keep us safe. This does NOT mean we can be rude & aggressive to them, but it also means they can't to us. It's simply mutual respect. 2/2
BloodyBaboon
You don't have the freedom to assault me or steal my property or enter my home. I'm not talking about basic human rights.
All of which --among others-- are freedoms that Government claims for itself, though, interestingly.
InternetLawyer
That sounds like Adam Smith. You grab that from The Wealth of Nations?
Is that not how it works? Just because it was written in 1776 doesn't discredit valid points.
I wasn't discrediting it. It just sounded familiar so I was trying to place it. That's definitely how society works. Everything is a trade
I'm just aware of how it works. I can't impead an investigation or flea a scene. Not saying you have to treat cops like heros. Just obey law
MinnesotaTom
Society literally means giving up freedom for safety and support. You give up the law of nature for basic rights.
I know, it's sad right? It really grates at my hope for this country. My client recently said that Trump is an everyman. 0.o
hotlights
WOW again. Lump is everything that is wrong with the world.
Should I have used a different word than freedom? I'm saying you can't rape and Pillage in modern society. You can do whatever you please.
No freedoms is the right word. Don't dumb down your rhetoric for idiots
digitalranger
And it doesn't give law enforcement the right to fuck with you either
Of course. If you are being harassed file a complaint. Follow proper reporting procedures and it should get handled, causing a scene 1/2
or harassing an officer is a bad idea. LEO should have trust of civilians. If he is "fucking with you" he should be held accountable.
Nuuuuuwong
They are public servants. Their mandate is to serve and protect the people. Ill agree, some people shouldnt act the way they do towards...
The police, but at the end of the day, the people are meant to be receiving their service.
I am aware of all of this. I'm saying you aren't free to be a raging dick bag and in exchange you are allowed to be a part of society.
You are free to be unpleasant. As long as you arent breaking the law, the police are literally no diffent than any other citizen.
See, SCOTA disagrees; police serve society not people
Split hairs if you want. Its functionally the same statement. What makes up society? Oh yeah, thats right, its people.
Etal00
But you pay Walmart employees twice. For the purchase you make & the taxes paid cause they aren't paid enough to support themselves.
tangowolf
Assholes who yell and scream at police officers are as idiotic as snarky bitches who complain to the person checking out your groceries.
ExplainThisJoke
"become a police officer! be your own boss!"
flavorfulless
Best comment yet
gabberz1996
i masturbate
heffalumpisbetterthannone
Glad you figured it out
MissMath
I hear this comment too and I'm a teacher
Fascistmanbearpig
It's sad really. I'm military and I hear it every time I get to home
bloatedplutocrat
Nine years now, three deployments, never heard it once. Treated very well by the public. 'Preciate the thanks.
pleonidas
The circle jerk is strong with this one
AshCheeks
I usually tell them that "welfare isn't a taxable income, SO..."
BigBun
You pay taxes just like people on welfare pay taxes. It's just taxes in circulation.
InquisitiveRaptor
yeah...no, something tells me most of the people who scream in cops faces like that don't pay taxes.
JuliaY
Or they pay signicantly lower taxes than many others.
Kiez120
She's not yelling in his face. Her eyes are directed at something behind him.
KiloElectronVolt
"Terrible breath, how about mace!" -Officer, Probably.
Fascistmanbearpig
I like it!
swinglinered
As individuals taxpayers/voters, we are not listed in the Org Charts. It is an indirect thing.
MikeAracter
http://imgur.com/xmPdLaH
mmfrancis
Hand her a penny and say here's your part of my pay and by the way I want the change
Vesika
http://imgur.com/rnAMzia
n3cr0fag0
They're their own bosses.
raidleadergutts
They are the enforcer class. Their bosses, the rich and ruling classes, won't punish them for doing their job of keeping the masses at bay.
YallNeedMises
Truer than most might think. Their one qualification is the fact that they have guns and a self-claimed exclusive right to initiate force.
revelator
Government employees are net consumers of taxes. Private sector workers are net payers.
BronzeLeaguePro
Not necessarily. Minimum wage earners would get more out than they put in.
imooforyou
Stupid minimum wage people. Don't they know Walmart needs more tax breaks? And pay absolutely nothing?
BronzeLeaguePro
Problem is, if they paid the tax breaks instead of the govt. then their competitors would get an advantage over them. Shit sux m8.
Seluu
Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
merdadimadi
Great line
diverbuzz
Just because some water bint threw a scimitar at me isn't a basis for proper government.
CluelessAmerican
What's the difference between repressed and opressed
LoTRFanatic42
Well I didn't vote for you.
Newjerseysuccesstory
You dont vote for king!
Iaimtomisbehave
http://imgur.com/80nZt
YouTasteLikeABurgerIDontLikeYouAnymore
quiet. BE QUIET. SHUT UP.
Garouleloup
bloody peasant!
bolingas
Oh what a giveaway!
DaBulls1980
Oh did you hear that?
GreaterDog
I'd love to be part of an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
JAFIOI
When I get the comment, "Thank you for your service", I always reply with "No, thank you- your taxes pay my salary". I get some funny looks.
AlexGalbraith
1. She's shouting past the cop. 2. They were protesting the killing of an unarmed man. 3. She never said this.
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AlexGalbraith
Follow her eyes, man. She's def shouting at something beyond the cop. Shouting near him is not assault. And a good bit of the comments are
AlexGalbraith
Directed at the woman in the photo.
elitereloaded
Shes checking to see if her mouth and his chin fit like a puzzle. Its a piece that you have to pound to make it fit http://imgur.com/kupS5De
kastabbin
Have to pound to make it fit, eh?
elitereloaded
You got that right, big boy.
DarthFutuza
I'm pretty sure she's trying to tell him she wants to make sweet love.
invertedbubble
Had to open this picture and the original in seperate tabs and click between them rapidly to be able to tell the difference. AM I RETARDED?
YallNeedMises
wardencantdance
I don't know why people think that they have some unassailable right to be dicks to public servants like police. Stop being dicks.
ccaldw12
Yeah but just because you wear a badge doesn't mean I have to kiss your ass either.
FishstickPizza
If only there was some weird middle ground.
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raidleadergutts
origins of police, you would know that police were created to serve the interests of the rich and ruling classes. They don't protect you. 2
ccaldw12
Protect the rich from the poor basically
raidleadergutts
They do not "put their lives on the line" for the safety of citizens. They do it for a paycheck, and if you cared to study the history and 1
ccaldw12
No one forces them to do that. They signed up for that job. You give respect to get it. PERIOD. I don't care what your job is.
RandomStranger55
1. It's your job if you're a cop. 2. If you're a public servant paid by public money you're expected to act at a higher moral standard.
andtheseashalltell
Had a boss ask, 'how much did you pay last year?' Then slap a quarter on the counter and say, 'there's your part of my pay. Now get out.'
daffodilpuke
This was on the front page a month ago but it was a teacher last time
popopocelot
Ive only dreamt of such a moment. Ur so lucky.
UndercoverDumbledore
A guy I work with (at a school) did something similar when a parent was going off on one.
Eu4ix
I'm a little drunk and I don't get context. Could you find it in your heart to explain like I'm 5?
Eu4ix
Who's counter?
Eu4ix
Whose*
Geekyre
Boss in this context means one of the people who are screaming my taxes pay your salary
Eu4ix
Ahh gracias
TallDude
Guy says "My taxes pay your salary." Other replies back "How much taxes did you pay?" and then gives him a quarter to show as a refund.
Eu4ix
This makes sense. Appreciate clarity sir.
FsImgur
Yeah, but - does that count as additional income for the refundee? He's have to file an amended return now..
JuliaY
It depends if he took state/local as an itemized deduction. If not, tax refunds are not taxable income. Fed refunds are never taxable income
JuliaY
Most take a standard deduction anyway so it hardly applies
FsImgur
Perhaps, but it wasn't refunded through the proper channels. Kind of like if your friend from the IRS said "Yo, here man - take $50 bucks".
Treblaine
"WAITER! I may at one point pay for this meal, that means I'm your boss, so as your boss I demand you let me act like a total fuckwit"
flavorfulless
Oh god so many people act like this
WonderHowLongMyUsernameCouldBeBeforeImgurStopsMe
@OP honest question here cause I am legit confused. if tax payers "pay" the salary of the police, and police pay taxes, whats the point 1/?
WonderHowLongMyUsernameCouldBeBeforeImgurStopsMe
of them paying taxes? since the money they are getting is already tax money? I am seriously asking cause we have something in denmark 2/?
WonderHowLongMyUsernameCouldBeBeforeImgurStopsMe
where students are being "paid" to take an education. we get paid by tax payers money. yet we still have to pay taxes of that money. IM LOST
GamerTrevor
Police officers are still citizens, so they'd still have to pay taxes.
Fascistmanbearpig
Simple. Cops just contribute to the big pot of money like everybody. Those taxes dont just go towards LEO. It's distributed
WonderHowLongMyUsernameCouldBeBeforeImgurStopsMe
i get that. but whats the point of putting back into the pot when they are getting from it?
Fascistmanbearpig
Cause that's how taxes work. Just because you are a cop doesnt mean you don't pay. I'm military and there's nothing special about my taxes.
ToasterLiberationFront
As a volunteer firefighter/EMT, I fucking love it when people say that to me.
fireassassin1108
Same..it never fails..there is always at least 1 idiot who says this to us
Wheatizard
You sir, have my respect!
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Why?
amw666
Satisfaction guaranteed or your fire back
Fascistmanbearpig
As military, so do I
martymcflyjr
Same as me being a special Constable in the UK, I just laugh at the haha
lambaline
Thank you for volunteering!
sayerplayer
Give them a dollar and tell them now they don't pay your wage.
ObiWanShalomi
Lmao....fuck people
spudpicker
As a teacher, I'm tempted to remind people that my taxes pay to send their kids to school. So don't freaking waste it.
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
I feel like you might be using sarcasm.
DeniseReade
To most of my patients I can validly respond with, "When have you ever paid taxes?"
icanthateyouanymore
Today we went out for a cardiac arrest. The wife wanted us to go to Temple(45 minutes away bypassing 2 other ED's), because the patient 1/?
ToasterLiberationFront
oh... these are always good... kids, come gather round; it's story time!
icanthateyouanymore
had his knees replaced at Temple 4 years prior. We explained that it didn't matter, and we were going to the closest ED, and that's when 2/?
icanthateyouanymore
the "My taxes pay your salary! I'll go to the freeholders meeting and have you fired if you don't listen to me," card came out. Mind 3/4
icanthateyouanymore
you, the closest hospital is a cardiac hospital, and the absolute best place for him, if we can even keep pulses at this point. Silly people
Privacycontrolsforyourimagesdeleteandedityourimages
so basically the wife wanted him dead but wanted someone else to blame for it
vladimirstudmuffin
Never had a problem with the NYPD (1/2)
vladimirstudmuffin
Then again, I don't live in NYC (2/2)
IMakeUpRandomFacts
You contribute to a large pool of funds that provide various public services. Does not make you a boss. STFU
Elroydb
It DOES give you partial ownership of an organization and a proportional say on how it should be run
YallNeedMises
In a free market it would, assuming that was the agreement, but as things are all it leaves you with is a lighter wallet.
IMakeUpRandomFacts
Through voting and elections. You can't order or expect public servants to be subservient to your every whim
Elroydb
Of course not. But there are times you need to remind public servants that they work for you not the other way around
ScruffyB
The "taxes -> boss" argument might be stupid, but the People's control over their government is the fundamental ideal of American democracy.
CaptainArminius
That has nothing to do with taxes though. You're always gonna pay taxes no matter what type of government you have.
subsevid
and in most democracies you get a vote regardless of the amount of taxes you pay. it's "rule of the people" not "rule of the tax payers".
swinglinered
Proxy, not literal.
EdwardHarley
The US in not a "true" democracy. It's a democratic republic.
itsbre
America isn't a democracy though, it's a republic
raidleadergutts
America is neither. It's an imperialist police state.
itsbre
Technically, a republic is a country run by the law, so a police state would count as a republic
DoctorWatchamacallit
madison would disagree. he pointed out early on that pure democracy could devolve into idiocracy and advocated representation by the 1)
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) educated and social elite so that sensible decisions could be made by people who know what they are doing, but are not totally alienated
yummmmmm
until the idiots make it into the ruling system
DoctorWatchamacallit
3) from the public either.
YallNeedMises
It's a delusion, unfortunately. How much control can we truly have over an institution which claims the exclusive right to initiate force?
DoctorWatchamacallit
plenty, when staying elected means appeasing the people. But you don't want total control by the people, lest it devolves into idiocracy. 1)
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) If the US were a PURE democracy, Slavery and segregation would never have been abolished. The government in the US is meant to be a
TheAnarchoCapitalist
Hello friend
YallNeedMises
DoctorWatchamacallit
3) system of checks and balances, to prevent any one group from abusing power, whether it is the rich, the military, the idiot public, etc.
YallNeedMises
3) every government to have ever existed. How many democratically elected rulers around the world have decided at the ends of their terms
YallNeedMises
1) What I'm saying, though, is that there *is* no way to check the power of a group that claims a monopoly on the use of force and has the
YallNeedMises
4) that they don't really feel like giving up control after all, and --because they have the loyalty of a military-- the most their subjects
DoctorWatchamacallit
one thing that has literally NEVER happened in the USA.
YallNeedMises
2) firepower to back it up. The only true power is violence, and this is the awful truth festering beneath the noble mask of Order worn by
DoctorWatchamacallit
yes there is. You forget that in a republic, the jobs of the people in charge depends on who votes for them.
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) also there's a thing called the supreme court.
YallNeedMises
5)can hope for at that point is to best them in civil war and maybe pick what's left of their lives out of the smoking, blood-soaked dirt?
DoctorWatchamacallit
again, you ignore COMPLETELY that this scenario assumes absolute power of the president, which is laughably naive. It ignores that the
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) Supreme Court AND Congress are there specifically to prevent this exact scenario.
YallNeedMises
2) Supreme Court, Congress, etc., only have power to the degree which they have soldiers willing to do violence on their behalf.
YallNeedMises
1) You might do well to defer calling my position naïve until you've thought through your own. I'm not ignoring anything. The president, the
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monadi
Noooooooo. Just no. There is no need whatsoever to give up freedom for safety. They are civil servants whose job it is to help us 1/2
monadi
& keep us safe. This does NOT mean we can be rude & aggressive to them, but it also means they can't to us. It's simply mutual respect. 2/2
BloodyBaboon
You don't have the freedom to assault me or steal my property or enter my home. I'm not talking about basic human rights.
YallNeedMises
All of which --among others-- are freedoms that Government claims for itself, though, interestingly.
InternetLawyer
That sounds like Adam Smith. You grab that from The Wealth of Nations?
BloodyBaboon
Is that not how it works? Just because it was written in 1776 doesn't discredit valid points.
InternetLawyer
I wasn't discrediting it. It just sounded familiar so I was trying to place it. That's definitely how society works. Everything is a trade
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BloodyBaboon
I'm just aware of how it works. I can't impead an investigation or flea a scene. Not saying you have to treat cops like heros. Just obey law
MinnesotaTom
Society literally means giving up freedom for safety and support. You give up the law of nature for basic rights.
monadi
I know, it's sad right? It really grates at my hope for this country. My client recently said that Trump is an everyman. 0.o
hotlights
WOW again. Lump is everything that is wrong with the world.
BloodyBaboon
Should I have used a different word than freedom? I'm saying you can't rape and Pillage in modern society. You can do whatever you please.
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MinnesotaTom
No freedoms is the right word. Don't dumb down your rhetoric for idiots
digitalranger
And it doesn't give law enforcement the right to fuck with you either
BloodyBaboon
Of course. If you are being harassed file a complaint. Follow proper reporting procedures and it should get handled, causing a scene 1/2
BloodyBaboon
or harassing an officer is a bad idea. LEO should have trust of civilians. If he is "fucking with you" he should be held accountable.
Nuuuuuwong
They are public servants. Their mandate is to serve and protect the people. Ill agree, some people shouldnt act the way they do towards...
Nuuuuuwong
The police, but at the end of the day, the people are meant to be receiving their service.
BloodyBaboon
I am aware of all of this. I'm saying you aren't free to be a raging dick bag and in exchange you are allowed to be a part of society.
Nuuuuuwong
You are free to be unpleasant. As long as you arent breaking the law, the police are literally no diffent than any other citizen.
MinnesotaTom
See, SCOTA disagrees; police serve society not people
Nuuuuuwong
Split hairs if you want. Its functionally the same statement. What makes up society? Oh yeah, thats right, its people.