Do we have to care about what upsets them? They WANT to be upset, they want the attention, they want the audience. They find colors upsetting ... you cannot please those people, and you should never try to. It's even better when they are upset, because then you're doing the correct thing.
There were idiots who saw fucking Stormfront as a hero, and then claimed that the Nazi reveal was a "rugpull" and "betrayal of the audience" that came out of nowhere.
They were bitching about how the writers had Stormfront "speak truth" and do/say "normal, reasonable things" to have them agree with her and then label them as Nazis for doing so, as some sort of trap.
They have zero media literacy, and zero self-awareness and self-reflection.
Mindless followers. "I'm right-wing, she's right-wing, therefore everything she says is gospel." If one can't form an original thought for themselves, well, *someone* has to. Extremists really are as stupid as it gets.
I've never seen the show and I know nothing about the character stormfront other than their name, and even I can tell exactly what the writers' intention with them is.
She also had lightning bolt earrings, nazi-style armbands with American flags, and a belt buckle in the shape of the Nazi German Reichsadler (the eagle).
We watched the first couple seasons, then the parallels got to be a bit much for me. She has the exact personality you'd expect, raging facist hiding under subtle word play pretending to be an upstanding citizen until some big reveal that really wasn't a big reveal if you know what youre looking for.
It's probably important to distinguish people ragging on Superman media for having iffy writing, and people ragging on Superman for being the kind of man he is
That's just basic media criticism skills that these right wing reactionaries and Nazis do no possess. All comic fans can engage in the first part, only the Nazi reactionaries want to turn Superman into Homelander.
There is usually some weird plot device for this. Like the time he forced Jimmy and Aquaman against one another letting them get dehydrated. Turns out it was an imposter. Later stories have him under the influence of some weird kryptonite in other stories.
A genetically engineered super solider certainly sounds like Nazi eugenics. Especially a fucking blond haired blue eyed one. Thank fuck eye colour and hair colour dont determine values. Captain America is awesome. America should be more like that again.
I'm pretty sure that was deliberately done by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby. Cap was made to be the counter to what Simon and Kirby saw as the greatest evil of the day.
It’s wild how this could come directly from @potus on Twitter right now, and the only thing that would be off is all the proper punctuation, and sentence structure.
Like not ending sentences with prepositions, this is a rule invented by grammarians. Invented, that is, after a long, long, extremely long time of less having been used for both countable and uncountable quantities, basically, since before the word less even entered English usage from Northumbrian leassa. These so-called hypercorrections get spread by people wanting very badly to be smart about something.
Too long, didn't listen: Guy joins the KKK undercover, starts feeding info to the Superman radio producers who start writing episodes where Superman fights the KKK. Kids listen to the radio show, they play Superman as the good guy and the KKK as the bad guy, dads don't want their kids to see them as the bad guy, so they quit going to KKK meetings & KKK money making schemes fall apart
Worth noting in the radio serial they're "The Clan of the Fiery Cross" for legal reasons, however the effect was all the same. Also a graphic novel adaptation "Superman Smashes the Klan" came out in 2020 that's very good.
From the Vanity Fair article linked earlier: “… ridiculed his name again, calling him “Jerry Siegallack,” the German term for “sealing wax.” (The reason the Nazis may have found that clever have been lost to time.)” 💀💀💀
A Colorado potato beetle is a major pest that affects potato and other agricultural plants and can cause a lot of damage by completely defoliating a plant. It is native to North America and was first reported in Germany in 1877, linked to installation of US military bases in Europe after WWI.
“… Conway also took a personal swipe at Superman star David Corenswet: “Guess he didn’t change it to a better stage name.” (The actor’s surname originates from his Russian Jewish roots.)”
It’s almost like the anti-antisemetic cries defending Israel are performative!
And to explain the "he's a Colorado Beetle!" insult, German propaganda lore, both fascist and communist, had it that America was crop dusting Germany with the dreaded Colorado Beetle (Kartoffelkaefer) to destroy the potato harvest and cause widespread shortages and famine.
He really wasn't. I'm not going to defend Stalin, but a lot of "Stalin/USSR bad" type information makes it to us heavily filtered through a propaganda machine designed to discredit any alternative to our political/economic systems. https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/s/zhQdcujMvZ
Did you miss the part where the commenter you replied to grew up in Czechoslovakia during the Soviet era? And where I was citing East German propaganda? Neither of which experienced thru the American propaganda filter? Goddamn fucking vatniks and tankies everywhere now.
gorramgomer
I propose Siegel's Law: If you don't like Superman, any incarnation (even the dumb Superman Red and Blue), then you're probably a Nazi.
TheElliotPage
hilarious that Superman is basically a retelling of the story of Jesus Christ...abandoned, sent to Earth to be good... etc., etc...
16KTS
Superman is the best American Hero.
terrywat5
Well, Hitler didn't have RFK Jr to poison the kids back then.
StormofWyverns
The more things change, the more they stay the same…..
critikaster
It's the same picture.
ebonyfaery
Hate it when that happens.
TouchMyInfection
Fuckimgurcunts
If you hate a race their pee pee is bigger than yours facts
TKBold
Incidentally I'll be seeing Superman today in about an hour!
Poppypoppoppop
Well, it is their playbook or inspiration for their Heritage Foundation project 2025
RooGryphon
Huh I was wondering what year this wax written.
Bystandr
Oh no, its been happening for 100 years.. gotta be some slow acting poison, there.
killerkadoogan
or another attempt to degrade cultural norms in america.
HardyandRamanujan
* American/ Canadian comic strip, thank you very much
ToSisPoS
We need to start making more Heritage Moments
HardyandRamanujan
Exactly!
sevenfingerman
Oh man, crazy how that headline is applicable today.
MasterChristopher
I thought that was the point of the post? >_>
Like2Fox
Why is it crazy?
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
We wanted to believe we've gotten better since then.
CoeurFranc
To be back there.
JustAGeek16
New Superman movie out, and the right wing grifters are upset at how 'woke' it is.
michiyl
Do we have to care about what upsets them? They WANT to be upset, they want the attention, they want the audience. They find colors upsetting ... you cannot please those people, and you should never try to. It's even better when they are upset, because then you're doing the correct thing.
NotAGarbageCant
This guy gets it
JustAGeek16
Nope. And I never said we should. Was simply answering a question about why an old article was relevant today.
Apollymkatistrafia
These are the same idiots that saw Homelander and squealed with glee
DatDarthCaedus
There were idiots who saw fucking Stormfront as a hero, and then claimed that the Nazi reveal was a "rugpull" and "betrayal of the audience" that came out of nowhere.
They were bitching about how the writers had Stormfront "speak truth" and do/say "normal, reasonable things" to have them agree with her and then label them as Nazis for doing so, as some sort of trap.
They have zero media literacy, and zero self-awareness and self-reflection.
SpaceballsTheComment
Mindless followers. "I'm right-wing, she's right-wing, therefore everything she says is gospel." If one can't form an original thought for themselves, well, *someone* has to. Extremists really are as stupid as it gets.
debob
I've never seen the show and I know nothing about the character stormfront other than their name, and even I can tell exactly what the writers' intention with them is.
DatDarthCaedus
To add a bit more info;
She also had lightning bolt earrings, nazi-style armbands with American flags, and a belt buckle in the shape of the Nazi German Reichsadler (the eagle).
It really wasn't all that subtle.
Apollymkatistrafia
We watched the first couple seasons, then the parallels got to be a bit much for me. She has the exact personality you'd expect, raging facist hiding under subtle word play pretending to be an upstanding citizen until some big reveal that really wasn't a big reveal if you know what youre looking for.
ThailandExpress
It’s a crazy fucking show, the Deep’s character and actions especially lol
idiotsonfire
Anyone ragging on a comic accurate Superman is probably a fascist.
nopo
I mean, comics superman has gotten up to some crazy shit... and didnt always have good writing.
Einstein9073
It's probably important to distinguish people ragging on Superman media for having iffy writing, and people ragging on Superman for being the kind of man he is
idiotsonfire
That's just basic media criticism skills that these right wing reactionaries and Nazis do no possess. All comic fans can engage in the first part, only the Nazi reactionaries want to turn Superman into Homelander.
astrangehop
He's definitely the best guy, and not a weirdo freak doing insane shit for 90 percent of his published history.
dingosmush
You can say that about most, if not all, superheroes.
nopo
Sure. And its often quite funny.
VictusVonGuyver
There is usually some weird plot device for this. Like the time he forced Jimmy and Aquaman against one another letting them get dehydrated. Turns out it was an imposter. Later stories have him under the influence of some weird kryptonite in other stories.
mrsdowneyjr
Like Nazis?
noonehasthisoneyet
They’re called Conservatives now. It’s the same thing. The rebranding didn’t help. They still suck
TheAmazingBlahaj
UncleCeiling
Here I go killing again!
Magnar1183
I'm glad he's no longer dead, but I sure as shit hope they bring back Nina!
PresldentClef
PorneliusHubertII
This whole sequence made me laugh so hard as a kid.
endyrr
I like how this guy punched the guy who gave drugs to the other guy's recovering junkie wife, who then got high and killed the other guy and herself
tavinjer
This movie (Rat Race) came out just before 9/11. It’s an interesting time capsule and holds up pretty well — still hilarious.
JackDeHearts
Love the journey. The destination sucked though lol.
Wasnbo
Look up the movie that inspired Rat Race, It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. For a comedy from the early 60's, it also holds up remarkably well.
tavinjer
Yup. Had that on VHS. Well, two VHSs. It was long.
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
pissed THEY CANCELED THE LEGO BIG RACE MOVIE!!! that was gonna be kinda based of that, but lego!!!!
tavinjer
Oh, that would’ve been super fun
cattlegrazer82
And yet they were fine with Captain America. Go figure.
TheElliotPage
yeah... don't practice lnbreeding...
DoctorCaptainProfessorAmazing
A genetically engineered super solider certainly sounds like Nazi eugenics. Especially a fucking blond haired blue eyed one. Thank fuck eye colour and hair colour dont determine values. Captain America is awesome. America should be more like that again.
Legomaniac91
I'm pretty sure that was deliberately done by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby. Cap was made to be the counter to what Simon and Kirby saw as the greatest evil of the day.
FallOutBoy
Until they find out that his actual name is "Stefan (Shlomo) Grantberg-Rogers" and his original Hero name was "Captain Eisenschild".
Atomic2
I can't tell if this is satire or a very poorly known factoid
Fouthtimeburntout
Some people really will go with anything huh?
darthsatoris
A "factoid" is a falsehood told often enough that people generally believe it to be true.
Astramancer
A factoid is also an insignificant, trivial fact that is actually true. Isn't english great! I love auto-antonyms.
astrangehop
I dont.
PileOfWalthers
Less watermarks, more content:
Lachwen
Everything old is new again.
ChickenSnizort
*Fewer
EvilEmperorXurg
Now, THAT'S reporting.
PoopSammich
anything the nazis hate, I'm gonna assume it's mostly good up to a point
DanOrtega
Oh damn. Even the very same schtick of "mock nickname" that the turd uses.
Eyeetsass
It’s wild how this could come directly from @potus on Twitter right now, and the only thing that would be off is all the proper punctuation, and sentence structure.
IEatTACOs2
He might be a Nazi but he isn't a grammar Nazi.
shyriath
Making up stupid nicknames for people they don't like. Huh, reminds me of someone's social media, can't quite think who it is...
vegivamp
It's an intentional dehumanising tactic.
ToSisPoS
Read Goebbels’ biography and his diary excerpts read exactly like a certain Twitter account.
JackDeHearts
kiski
Like not ending sentences with prepositions, this is a rule invented by grammarians. Invented, that is, after a long, long, extremely long time of less having been used for both countable and uncountable quantities, basically, since before the word less even entered English usage from Northumbrian leassa. These so-called hypercorrections get spread by people wanting very badly to be smart about something.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fewer_versus_less
PileOfWalthers
Exactly. Like those people who think “never use me, ever, only I is correct.”
seehemewe
If anyone has 9min, listen to how the Superman radio show helped take down the KKK after WWII. (As told by "This American Life" / "Freakonomics") https://www.thisamericanlife.org/285/know-your-enemy/prologue
PENlSMAN
I was trying to figure out how my glock played into this
Bananaflux
Drunk History version: https://youtu.be/-3VyPR0S0LM?si=zEV-JmWHipAjyh_a
seehemewe
Too long, didn't listen: Guy joins the KKK undercover, starts feeding info to the Superman radio producers who start writing episodes where Superman fights the KKK. Kids listen to the radio show, they play Superman as the good guy and the KKK as the bad guy, dads don't want their kids to see them as the bad guy, so they quit going to KKK meetings & KKK money making schemes fall apart
TheBigBadBonerBiter
Worth noting in the radio serial they're "The Clan of the Fiery Cross" for legal reasons, however the effect was all the same. Also a graphic novel adaptation "Superman Smashes the Klan" came out in 2020 that's very good.
MrsHowVeryDareYou
“even risking Nazi disapproval” Amazing.
cousteau
Yeah, you don't get much sassier than that.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Damn, how the media has changed since then.
cousteau
From not liking Nazis…
SpectralSpider
Yeah. Fucking sick of corporate sane-washing.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
the extent of their hate wasn't fully appreciated back then - it took killing millions of civilians
Benjjh2000
Anybody know what year this article was written?
Benjjh2000
Nevermind, 1940. A year after the invasion of Poland but before the west got involved.
ToSisPoS
“Say the full name to illustrate he is a member of the scapegoat people” still tracks.
Show me one person who said “Barack Hussein Obama” on tv or in print that isn’t a fascist.
Strype
Classic dogwhistle. It's a method of saying "See, SEE?! He's a TERRORIST, it's in his name!" to the other racists
ToSisPoS
Yep.
okbruh
Jerry "sealing wax".......what a burn 🙄
Nazis have always been simple and stupid
DianNaoChong
Now we know where Trump gets it from, sounds like his stupidity
cousteau
Yeah, I don't get it. Is it supposed to be funny, or…
MrsHowVeryDareYou
From the Vanity Fair article linked earlier: “… ridiculed his name again, calling him “Jerry Siegallack,” the German term for “sealing wax.” (The reason the Nazis may have found that clever have been lost to time.)” 💀💀💀
IDENTICAL to Trump’s “clever” nicknames like George Slopadopolus and Gavin Newscum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump
cousteau
Comparing Trump to nazis is a bit insulting, even for nazis.
allcattywampus
"a Colorado beetle"?
PileOfWalthers
I literally explained that earlier.
PileOfWalthers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_the_potato_beetle
MrsHowVeryDareYou
You did, but who reads the entire thread of comments?
HappinessCupcake
A Colorado potato beetle is a major pest that affects potato and other agricultural plants and can cause a lot of damage by completely defoliating a plant. It is native to North America and was first reported in Germany in 1877, linked to installation of US military bases in Europe after WWI.
Quixus
How can a beetle reported in 1877 be linked to anything after WW1, which did not end until 1918?
sunyudai
First reported, not only reported.
G0MeatCube
No it says, first reported in 1877, linked to US bases in Europe. The years dont line up here
PileOfWalthers
More article yet: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/superman-backlash
MrsHowVeryDareYou
“… Conway also took a personal swipe at Superman star David Corenswet: “Guess he didn’t change it to a better stage name.” (The actor’s surname originates from his Russian Jewish roots.)”
It’s almost like the anti-antisemetic cries defending Israel are performative!
PileOfWalthers
And to explain the "he's a Colorado Beetle!" insult, German propaganda lore, both fascist and communist, had it that America was crop dusting Germany with the dreaded Colorado Beetle (Kartoffelkaefer) to destroy the potato harvest and cause widespread shortages and famine.
HulaJesus
To be fair that does sound like something America would do.
Sydonis12
I'm pretty sure, I saw the same accusations in Czech newspapers during the USSR era. Stalin really was just Hitler with a thicker mustache.
Hereagain
He really wasn't. I'm not going to defend Stalin, but a lot of "Stalin/USSR bad" type information makes it to us heavily filtered through a propaganda machine designed to discredit any alternative to our political/economic systems.
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/s/zhQdcujMvZ
PileOfWalthers
Did you miss the part where the commenter you replied to grew up in Czechoslovakia during the Soviet era? And where I was citing East German propaganda? Neither of which experienced thru the American propaganda filter? Goddamn fucking vatniks and tankies everywhere now.
SpaceballsTheComment
The body count tho