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cogs
Funny,I have all those OS's on my MBP.
hikarimono
Linux and Mac and Windows daily. I work the fastest in Linux, the least sane in Windows, and get angry at Macs.
TurkeyHamburger
Stupid. Just stupid.
probatus
I love my Apple.
WannaHaveACatch
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3131906/apple-mac/ibm-says-macs-are-even-cheaper-to-run-than-it-thought.html
GHETTOCHiLD
All bullshit aside, macs are great for working. Unix backbone and brew. I hate programming for Linux on windows. ZSH FTW!
rgzdev
Windows servers a re a waste of money.
kirivon
Logic Pro X and a native UNIX environment keep me locked into Apple products for my mobile needs. I just wish the new MBPs weren't so...
kesaci
Linux at work and Mac for personal use. Just get brew for Mac.
themelonsman
Ever time I've tried windows I've realised how terrible the UX is
Goatforagoat
Good for gaming>working>server>malware
GahBluh
I like OSX
justareallylongemailaddress
reptim
As a UX designer I felt the pressure to switch from PC to Mac. I did so 2 years ago and now I cant imagine working without my macbook pro.
Cptmike
what a bold, brave choice you made
WellWellWellLookWhoItIs
Are we still doing this?
asmallcat
Ooooo, trashing apple. So edgy.
BeBopALulaHelaJavlaDan
Not a glowing apple on the new onesw
breakfasttitties
I hate to admit I switched to Mac, but they are so damn reliable and the Customer Service is amazing. DAMN THEM!
FookedOnHonics
Yeah I hate paying more for better product. Fuck them.
whatupmyknitters
i had to buy a mac for my dev bootcamp. the damn thing was so expensive i have to be a mac user now that i have it.
sblaydes
Yeah, it's terrible to have reliability and service on something you purchase.
howManyUsernamesCanThereBe
Why do you hate to admit that you found something better?
commandleech
hah
surlistyc
Yeah! plus when my hdd inevitably dies I can just buy a whole new comp because they were thoughtful and soldered it in!
scttrgd
It's such a shame they went that way. I upgraded my 2012 Macbook pro to an SSD and it's gloriously fast :)
AlaskanX
What mac do you have that the ssd is soldered in? The M.2 drive in the newer models isn't soldered in; its just a pain to upgrade.
dnebdal
On the M1 macs, CPU, RAM and storage are just dies on one SOC. Efficient, but as upgradeable as an ipad.
SgtLemming
The newer model is not an M.2 drive. Apple have not to my knowledge used M.2 in ANY model. The touchbar macs have a soldered in SSD.
Edisonwasadouchbag
As someone who works technical support for Apple, thank you!
scumbagschwiftler
(Dualbooter here.) macOS actually represents a nice sweet spot between 'Unix-based' on the one hand and 'stable and refined' on the other.
Opesi
True for developers that's a must have, I used to work with windows until this year and I'll never go back
FartyMcDumpstein
I do all my development on OSX. A truly universal key that application developers build around is a huge productivity boost.
asspickle
sometimes i stick pickles up my ass
Piemelpap
I Just love when i'm wearin my raincoat, and woman throw pickles at me.
Manstof
Prove it
mypeesmellslikeluckycharms
dilldo
asspickle
kosher dill only my man
SendMePicturesOfYourPuppies
Congrats, you'll get ass cancer
AngelsinmyMouthfield
Things like this always confuse me. Who sees this comment on every post and upvotes or downvotes it? who cares? each one should have 1 point
TheCryingOnTheInsideKind
Well, I use a mac for work because it's a POSIX (ish) environment...
bradennotbrandon
YES. I do like Windows, but any Unix system is better than Windows for development.
theignatz
Damn right.
WardSharlow
Exactly. I have Photoshop, bash, and gcc on the same machine.
ItWasCool
it's just expensive and their hardware is shit
ItWasCool
coding support: GNU C/C++, web development, POSIX shell, can play some games, graphing and program utilities, most unix operations...
lightswitch
This a hundred times. Really wish they didn't drop the ball on the latest pro specs...
WardSharlow
For what I do, it's not that important. I just like how the old Air is super portable and runs for 8 hours.
dnebdal
Much as it pains me me admit it, Windows 10 with WSL is also rather good (and you get a completely normal linux environment).
RedIronCrown
Fun fact: Windows NT was POSIX-compliant.
TheCryingOnTheInsideKind
Corona688
Which POSIX? At an OS level, not even close, there's not even fork()
RedIronCrown
POSIX.1. Compliance was nominal only (performance was apparently horrible), required for certain US govt contracts.
dnebdal
Through SFU/Interix, I bet? (WSL1 feels a lot like a modestly tweaked SFU, come to think about it)
Beelsebooob
Not POSIXish - POSIX. macOS is true blue certified UNIX.
therewk
Lacks a bit of GNU, sometimes...
Corona688
The weirdest certified UNIX I ever saw. Not sure how they pulled it off.
dnebdal
Was interix/SFU on windows ever certified?
TheCryingOnTheInsideKind
Though Gods help you if you like to apply OS updates and still need to use perl/python/ruby/etc
benkelly1992
Omg this. I'm still deathly afraid to upgrade my iMac to Sierra in case it screws up my gems, apache and passenger.
IAmNotADinosaurISwear
And interestingly in contrast to Linux, which isn't POSIX compliant. Go figure...
Beelsebooob
Well, to be fair, Linux probably actually is POSIX compliant, just no one's paid to get the certification.
IAmNotADinosaurISwear
Nope, some functions and programs work slightly different from the POSIX definition, by choice.
tawaiii027
Used to have a nice glowing symbol*
CRUSTYSMEGMA
can confirm, my macbook has a shiny golden apple
Isometimesupvotereposts
Wait whaaaaaaa
thekeyislost
I second that
PossiblyJewish
The Apple logo on the new Macbooks doesn't glow anymore.
Isometimesupvotereposts
Ugh.
JackBriscoe
Mac's good for making music editing film and creative shit
ItWasCool
They are also good from programming and remote server access since they contain the proper daemons.
Lobuttomize
Buying a mac with the same specs as a computer youd build to render stuff would be insane
BJaminWaggler
Agreed. Ableton crashed all the time when I was using it on windows.
TimeFoDat
Most of the major stuff (like Adobe) is on both. The keyboard shortcuts for OSX are bonkers, what kind of fingers do they think we have?
Dedrick427
THANK YOU! And why does end not go to the end? Why do they label backspace as delete?
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
Great for coding too. It's a good balance between Windows and Linux.
Cptmike
? how is it a balance between windows and Linux, please explain
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
Nice interface like Windows, but the OS X command-line experience is familiar like Linux.
Cptmike
kinda like MSDOS or windows command line? microsoft is always so late to the game!
stoploggingmeoutImgurIfuckingswear
Yeah, it has gotten a lot better in recent years, but I still would prefer not to use it much.
Vandammit
What about Ubuntu?
Zellacat
Great! Ready for Prime Time unless there is a problem with a driver for a component not yet supported.
Vandammit
Haha, it my favorite to remove. It crashes windows 10 drivers, like all of them.
Zellacat
It has always run my computer flawlessly & been easier to use than Windows (except for a short time with 1 driver).
Vandammit
Did you ever update to ten and install the new intel graphics drivers? I think that is more of a problem right now with it.
Zellacat
I decided it would be easier to just use Windows 7 for a game platform for now.
AlexanderFuckingHamilton
How about buy whatever the fuck you want and not give a shot what others buy?
AlexanderFuckingHamilton
Shit*
Creeeamy
RIP, trying to make an argument then making a spelling mistake.
AlexanderFuckingHamilton
O know: your sow write.
Cptmike
bang bang ur dead
AlexanderFuckingHamilton
I've been dead
Cptmike
well fuck you then
AlexanderFuckingHamilton
I've been fucked
SuicideByAccountant
I am not a mac owner. But you should know that most music, video, and photo editing software is optimized for macs.
Xenarion
I confirm. My sister had to buy a Mac for her graphisme classes.
dublet
[citation needed]
ZforZoro
You're right at the intermediate level, at the highest tiers they switch back to pc. More customizable, so you can slave a bunch of 1/2
Rinani
Many years ago I edited video on a PC build solely for Pinnacle Studio, that thing was a beast, compared to the iMacs we also used.
ZforZoro
Cards to speed up rendering for extensive projects. Look into deadmau5's cube 2.1, he's put out a lot of cool info on the process of it.
ZforZoro
Also pro tools(most extensive music production software) is designed for Windows.
AudioCats
Nope. Wrong on multiple levels. A) Pro Tools rules audio post, not music (it's decent at music). B) I have PT11 on mac and windows 1)
AudioCats
And on the mac PT runs much better, from video playback to dsp (I get many more overload and playback errors on my pc tower vs my mbp) 2/
ZforZoro
Also using your anecdotal evidence isn't a good reason to say I'm wrong.
Cptmike
no its not, its optimized for high end GPUs which are not widely available on macs
ZforZoro
I needed 5 replies, you got the job done in one lol
ZforZoro
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPvnz_Cgp4O/ it's so pretty
Cptmike
now there's a computer boys and girls.
SendMePicturesOfYourPuppies
As a mac user:
Selerox
As a Mac user, you're the computing equivalent of a Scientologist.
PartyMagician
As a non-mac user, same sentiment towards OP
DHR54
Your expensive Internet browser can also has some games available on it. oh and used to have great video editing Applications. :P
DHR54
I kid of course, I have an iPad and feel it's the best tablet for average consumers.
SendMePicturesOfYourPuppies
It's not just the hardware, but also the UX of the OS, it's just more time savvy than windows.
SendMePicturesOfYourPuppies
I don't feel the need to play games on my computer, I'd rather use my ps4.
DHR54
Agreed, I've been turned off of the complication of PC gaming rather recently.
Maxgst
Mac is good for durability. I have had my macbook pro for 8 years now. Never gave me a problem.
Kaitou
Wat. My Windows XP PC STILL RUNNING STRONG! (desktop though)
Sakkura
PCs can be durable too. The real difference is that Apple never sold any low-end Macs.
MadCatIV
You're lucky. Mine died after two years due to solder joints failing on the motherboard due to heat. Yes i used a cooling pad.
Xenarion
Old Macs yes, new Macs no.
CrazyGuyOnABike
But keeping them running is super expensive because exclusive parts and service. I have a toshiba lifebook from '07 that still runs fine
CrazyGuyOnABike
, and I've only sunk about $800 into it after purchase.
D3ftone
I've had my MacBook since '09 and I may have spent around $300 on it
Maxgst
I have had 3 HP and 2 Toshiba before this, and none of those lasted more than a year and a half. This is just my personal experience
sioclya
I'm using a Thinkpad T61 running Debian daily (the laptop's about ten years old now, still runs great).
Xenarion
What the hell are you doing to your computers?!? I've never seen a computer last less than 5 years.
DrepperForever
I am a Windows Guy, but Mac is pretty good for work too
madetheaccountjustforyou
I absolutely hate programming on one. All the keyboard shit is different.
halkailasdragonmaster
Just moved from an all mac to an all windows workspace and I miss my mac already: better gestures and windows apps are faster in parallels
northwestdab
We'll have to agree to disagree. No windows guy is gonna admit to a mac being even slightly good ????
nanyatenyaa
Depends on your work... would suck for my work.
KuistiPanu
Excel sucks balls on mac
KuistiPanu
Like big hairy balls
nanyatenyaa
Ya it's not so great on Windows either... stupid fucker crashes all the time. We also have to run some of our reports on severs.
nanyatenyaa
I suspect I have issues because I use the newest version, though a memory upgrade helped a -tiny- bit.
ImOutOfSpace
Which is what exactly?
nanyatenyaa
Systems admin.
WannaHaveACatch
Not arguing your personal experience, but numbers and statistics are in favor of Macs in Enterprise. 1/2
WannaHaveACatch
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3131906/apple-mac/ibm-says-macs-are-even-cheaper-to-run-than-it-thought.html 2/2
nanyatenyaa
This doesn't seem to comment on systems administration... more end user computing.
TurkeyHamburger
Incorrect. I do similar work, and I prefer to use a Mac.
nanyatenyaa
You disagreeing with me does not make me incorrect. Also, I prefer to have durable laptop because I'm mobile.
ImOutOfSpace
Ok so this is just me being curious, because I know nothing about being a systems admin; why is the mac bad for that job?
nanyatenyaa
Default install for Windows server is windows core. Windows has mmc snap ins and other things good for managing windows server.
ADMNtek
i still hope that with Vulcan linux gaming will become more of a thing. because windows is starting to turn into apple.
Bojangles157
This guy knows where the things and the stuff are for sure.
KroniK907
So... SteamOS has done more for Linux gaming than pretty much anything around
honkhonkhonk
Wy do people keep saying that? iOS is the locked down platform, OS X isn't. It's as free to do whatever you want as it's ever been...
bretmckenzie
Not nearly as free as gnu/linux
honkhonkhonk
Neither is Windows, what's your point? Most of the OS X userland, and XNU kernel, are open source however. 1/2
honkhonkhonk
You also don't get any invasive shit like with modern Windows. 2/2
t3n3d0s
Agreed! Also publishers are going to see that being dependent onto one OS, namely Windows + DirectX, isn't very smart. Just saying!
EveryUsernameIsTaken4
The biggest sign of that is me finally installing Linux on my pc as a second system.
jezorko
Did the same at first, now I just run Windows sometimes on virtualbox.
TypoInEveryComment
The fuck you taking about? Explain yourself and maybe I'll agree
IlluminaBlade
Vulkan is a graphics API trying avoid all the operating system bloat it can so that console efficiency can make it to any hardware, I think.
mayumichi
I can't even turn off automatic updates on W10 since I didn't realise it's only available on the enterprise/professional versions.
mistersaIvage
Universal Windows Platform. It's basically applesauce's ecosystem. Want Photoshop? Want videogames? Want movies? Gotta go through Microsoft
TheGouldFish
Apart from the fact you don't have to at all, UWP apps can be gotten from anyplace. You could sell them on steam if you wanted.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Vulcan is ugh... like new OpenGL API. Which people can understand like more stable and performance wise better cross platform DirectX.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
All I was saying is that we should promote open source and cross platform technologies wherever we go. Because they're awesome.
DianNaoChong
Linux has excellent gaming support. Just not the support of a majority of game developers.
causality
Windows is also dropping features. There are things I can do in W7 I just can't do in W10.
causality
Example: in W10 you can't make a desktop shortcut to a Start Menu search result without tediously adding it to the start menu itself first.
causality
In W7 you can click and drag the result onto the desktop or right click "add shortcut to desktop" neither of which works in W10.
Rakorsky
Developers will have to use Vulkan. Won't happen. Micro$oft won't let DirectX die. And even if, Mantle based APIs don't make nV happy 1/
Corona688
All they need to do is make a DX backend for Vulkan.
Rakorsky
And don't forget nV owns ~75% of market and work with game devs. OpenGL was Vulkan of yesterday and no one was giving fuck, thanks to M$.
ADMNtek
but they arent using DX12 there are only 16 game with DX12 support. it is simply not worth it.
Rakorsky
There is more political games, care for revenue and market control than desire to improve industry.
Rakorsky
Yet, but upcoming games will be Dx based. No one will step against M$. AMD tried with Mantle and how this has ended? They helped build Dx12.
ADMNtek
DX12 is Win10 and Xbox exclusive vulkan runs on everything but apple. that means more customers, more customer=more money
Rakorsky
It would be great. But Vulkan is low-level api, more difficult to use than DX. And is new, in contrast to dx which is familiar to every dev.