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monstafishy
Been watching binge watching Bullshit the last few days. I've developed a crush on Teller and I'm not ashamed.
iThylacines
I read it in their voices
nightsider
If you actually learn some shit about autism, you will understand just how ridiculous the whole anti-vacc argument is.
Bejamjam
Im autistic. It's not THAT bad...
immatureIMGURimager
That's my fetish
ForAllGoodGuysOutThere
imgur everyday
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Voydspektre
Someone put the imgur logo instead of the bar, I would but I don't want that on my computer. :/
nihilityfarce
Ironically, being more afraid of a social disorder than deadly diseases is a luxury afforded to us by vaccines.
LadyMcCormick
http://imgur.com/VZwuKyU - one of the best days in my life. He's so cool, and I only have this shitty picture to remember it by.
umuziki
It saddens me that people would rather have a dead child than one with autism.
shovethis
I somehow don't think that's their reasoning
brickybrickbrickbrick
I have a kid with autism. I'd rather he be alive and weird and difficult and fucking awesome than DEAD.
GloriousSpaceHamster
As a 14 year old guy with aspergers, i agree and (for me) its not nearly as bad as people think it is.
icanzbjoed
The only thing funnier than an angry fat man is an angry fat man who's right. - A Fat Man
Cochito
My grandmas brother stepped on a rusty nail and got tetanus.. He got lockjaw and everything, died soon after. Blows my mind.
princessbananapants
I love angry science.
Krisonrik
The sad part is, people who watch Bullshit are more than likely the people who never believed that bullshit.
notme222
Yup. Now ask them if they think vaccines should be government-mandated.
kkrowiak
Source: https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
DoctorJungyBrongen
@JimCarrey
Mobileuserwholikestoberandom
http://www.imgur.com/AlkyqiC.gif
UffDaDan
Not only do I dislike reading a dozen gifs on mobile, but I LOVE this video. Penn's voice when he yells "bullshit" shows the videos passion.
kkrowiak
He's simply amazing. Gifs can be great, but this video is ALWAYS better!
Link2010
Thank god I didn't have to read 10 fucking gifs. thanks
tragicslip
Reading is hard. :(
kkrowiak
Happy to help! The gifs are fun but lack the intensity and passion of the video.
Fugurgledurr
The comment section on that video. Yikes.
kkrowiak
Pretty scary stuff, huh? I'd say ignorance is bliss, but in this case ignorance is super dangerous and the comment section terrifies me.
GarrettStopMotion
yeah let it sink in that those people vote
LazyBrazilian
Because somehow people think it's ok to post things without source... I thank you for your contribution.
kkrowiak
This source is particularly awesome so it had to be done! :-)
LazyBrazilian
I'm thinking of changing my username to IAlwaysUpvoteSauce. Mostly because I always upvote sauce.
kkrowiak
Alfredo sauce? Vodka sauce? Marinera sauce?
LazyBrazilian
No, the best kind of sauce.... INTERNET SAUCE.
DwightSchrupert
Thank you!
Cynistera
Hello Internet and the zero amount of people who will read this-I am autistic, I have been diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder.
Cynistera
People noticed me.. I don't know what to do now.
Futtbuckerz
Next logical step is to sell out and cash in.
Cynistera
Ok, for the few people who noticed this- feel free to ask anything.
slagath0r
1. What's your favorite tv show? 2. When you've been dealing with your condition for years, does it get easier?
Angelist
What's your favourite reaction gif? :)
iwanttomountndewya
anything?
Meowzzar
What's your favorite stim, if you do that? Mine's rocking back and forth!
InfantCrippler
what is it like to be?
Hemorage
When did it become better in society's standards to be dead than to be "flawed" by autism?
PorcelainFoxSaltShaker
As someone with autism it can really fuck with your head to hear that death is better than raising a kid like you
Rubmuhturkey
Aren't those guys magicians?
MissLadyPants
Yes
thisplaceisnotforyou
I know, right. It's almost as if having a day job makes you incapable of rendering a sensible science based opinion. The nerve!
Rubmuhturkey
It's almost as if asking a single simple question warrants some sassy reply like yours.
thisplaceisnotforyou
Right, it's kinda like that. Of course, if I knew that sarcasm would render you so butt hurt I would have reconsidered. C'est la vie.
nuplsstahp
But they're also very intelligent and present lots of stuff now
Moonraker83
My son has autism the anti-vaxers are so Fing offensive to me, basically saying they'd rather their kid be dead than autistic
ohnapkinmynapkin
I seriously need the sauce on this.
gremfrankenfrolek
YouTube Penn and teller vaccines
ohnapkinmynapkin
Got it! Thanks!
tragicslip
Penn & Teller: Bullshit! It was a show a few years ago in which they would 'bust' myths and the like. Worth a watch if you can find it.
ohnapkinmynapkin
Found it. This is 5 years old an frigging amazing!
BillMcNeal
Yeah there is a series of them. Check out the video games cause violence one.
kkrowiak
YouTubed it for you: https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
jenaleelee
True story: when I was about 4 years old I was diagnosed with JRA (juvenile rheumatoid arthritis). My parents found out it was caused by
jenaleelee
My 18 mo vaccinations, more specifically the MMR. It effected my joints, mostly my elbows knees hands and neck and over the next 3 years
jenaleelee
I saw all sorts of doctors including homeopathic. My parents found one that was able to lower my white blood cell count and I got to
jenaleelee
Stay in the Ronald McDonald house in Reno NV as I was cured. I got daily shots and hated life. I'm cured now. And an adult. I don't know
jenaleelee
To feel about vaccines, and My siblings are all avoiding vaccinating their kids because they saw what I went through as a kid..... I'm too
RottenKitten
Homepathic? Rly?
jenaleelee
Scared to tell them I think it's a stupid idea. I don't know if I even want to have kids because I am too afraid to make that decision.
RottenKitten
Vaccines can't hurt you cos they are inocuous virus (I'm vet, learned something about virus, inmune system and vaccines).
SkeletonHitler
Bullshit was a wonderful show
ianrl337
Don't get me wrong, I loved it. But it also didn't always have all the (or even sometimes correct) information.
realscrumpysteve
Most of the time
messengermes
Espicially the show where they chose the subjects them selves
D0cH0lliday
huh? They wrote the show they choose all the subjects.
D0cH0lliday
chose*
messengermes
They didn't have the money to do things such as the vatican all the time, so they had to things like dolphin birth
imshibagel
True but...that dude can be a real dick to people
Oddux
Unfortunately people don't like hearing opinions that differ from their own. Views dropped off w/ each episode as they covered more subjects
grovberg
Part of the problem is that they often left wide open holes in their arguments. I was usually on their side and it was still frustrating.
dhorso
I want more of this show
rrawdog
My professor had us watch Bullshit in class freshman year at the university. Safe to say, I loved that professor.
BaxtersSoup
Except for the climate change and second hand smoke episodes, it was pretty cool.
Protean2648
And the weight / gym stuff. Penn talking in an episode about how weight is genetic and now look at him. All skinny and proving episode wrong
ThatShiftyMonkey
yep. everyone had episodes they disagreed with. if you can still enjoy the show despite that, you are a reasonable person.
Bobloblawlawblogblogslaw
Not disagreed with. They were objectively wrong about some.
Ninja112595000
What's the name of it?
nonpondo
A john Goodman Christmas
ThatShiftyMonkey
Barbie's Unicorn Dream Adventures
dustbowldano
Penn and Teller's Bullshit
Ninja112595000
Thank you kind sir/madam.
battery1979
It's not on Netflix is it?
dustbowldano
It originally aired on Showtime. I want to say they had all the episodes available on demand.
HandOfNodAndStuff
Not anymore sadly, but you can find it on youtube.
IBetThatHurts
Wish it would be brought back. We could use more shit like it rather than another fucking reality show.
pookieeatworld
Nope. We must always know what reality is like.
Dexilan
I saw them recently and they said they'd like to bring it backs as well
oldgregstl
Well one of them said they would bring it back
Dexilan
Tu-shay, or however the fuck you spell it. either way, good reference +1
KNOWLEDGEisPowerwastaken
Touché.
NotWBRecords
In a way it is a reality show.
AllegedlyTonyDutch
Funy thing is that most reality shows aren't realistic.
battery1979
It's not on Netflix is it?
SkeletonHitler
Nope
xrufus7x
I watch it on Hulu but I have the Showtime subscription
asotzen
Elvis never did no drugs
Lookatmyballs
LOL he was a pill head and died of a heart attack while taking a shit.
thegreatninjaman
you havnt seen the show then
asotzen
It's a reference to the show dude. Maybe you should Netflix and chill yourself. Do I need to wrap that one in baby candy for you as well?
Lookatmyballs
Is bullshit on netflix?
Resenate
Out of 110 children before vaccines how many died or were seriously maimed by now preventable disease?
nihilityfarce
I don't know the stats, but from when she was both a child and a teacher, my grandmother way too many depressing stories.
wizardboy24
Bobinstein
May the source be with you.
Resenate
Wow! I'm seeing vaccines greatly reduced mortality from diseases, but how did it effect per capita under 18 mortality?
dangodaikazoku808
Probably herd immunity
Resenate
This shows mortality from diseases was reduced or eliminated, but what about per capita child mortality?
Resenate
Deaths from certain diseases were greatly reduced but how did vaccines affect per child mortality?
IamtheGreatQueenSnugglewombs
I havent heard about people dying from autism. So, personally I'd take my chances with the vaccine
pixelsnader
Of course not. Only the ones that survive tell their tales.
piconoe
Death or autism...death or autism...oh, wait, I'm already autistic and I don't give a shit. I think I'll take that over death.
egotisticgamer
I used to be anti-vac before researching the topic more. Now I'm down with it.
GerhardRammelhausen
Just imagine how many people with autism there were if 1 out of 110 would get it from vaccines.
HitlersArtCritic
Isn't there an artist who because he has autism has a great memory? He can draw an entire city in detail from memory, and more.
xyzes
There is an autistic piano player who can play Flight of the Bumblebee insanely fast starting in any given key. He is also blind.
Owlguy007
#LegalizeAutism
AbhorrentCasserole
Well, 100% of people with autism die. But then, 100% of people who breathe air die. We all die. ;p
321Guesswho
sadly its the parents making the choice. They would rather take the chance with the childs life than take the time to potentially raise 1/2
UncomfortableTruths
It's both a misunderstanding of the danger, and ignorance of how severely dangerous these preventable illnesses are.
321Guesswho
a autistic child 2/2
Imprettybadatnamesandshit
EVEN THO ITS NOT EVEN TRUE
StellarJay77
Oh ya because they actually have to be parents now instead of just teaching the basics and then dropping thier child in front of a screen
Manateechica
"take the time to potentially raise"...that's a nice way of putting the lifelong commitment some parents have with autistic children.
Weissicles
It's always nice to hear that the slight difference you have to other people is a fate people would rather have their kids die than have.
Manateechica
I wouldn't want my child to die either. But I feel so bad for the trapped minds of those with severe autism :(
Weissicles
I figured whooping cough didn't sound that bad, they bleed from their eyes.
Manateechica
don't know the relation to my comment, but I didn't know that either. Sounds intense.
Weissicles
I don't know, i just felt like venting that cause it creeps me the f out, that and the fact people would rather their kids get that...
wizmeister
Even if they did, a person with mild autism can still live a normal life by themselves.
TheAdequatePhotoshopGuy
As a slightly autistic person. YES. And I'm glad I'm not dead by preventable disease
xyzes
There are dozens of us!
TheAdequatePhotoshopGuy
I find it rather funny that people consider my life worse then death. And most autistic people I have met is quite nice
xyzes
It's not a disability. It's just a different way of thinking. They are all just afraid of the different and the complex.
TheyHunger
Ditto. Hell, I even managed to get married.
TheAdequatePhotoshopGuy
I haven't gotten there yet but I have managed a long relationship that ended for other reasons
TheyHunger
OKCupid. It's like shopping for spouses. Answer a bunch of the surveys an own your answers. ex. "I play tabletop miniatures games 1/2
legalbeagleOSU
That's the point. EVEN IF the vaccines caused autism, autism isn't a death sentence.
TheAstarion
Dignitas treats it as an incurable condition and reasonable grounds for assisted suicide. It has to be the patient's choice of course.
YamatoIouko
Oh, FUCK them! I'd like to assist them with an assault rifle. Fuckers.
WeAreAllStoriesInTheEnd
What is your problem with Dignitas? *curious*
YamatoIouko
AUSTISM is not something to kill yourself over, but it's GREAT justification for a depressed mind to go through with it.
ANewBadlyDrawnReactionImageAsIMakeThem
Plus if you're autistic, you can actually adapt to your specialized brain and still have a great life. Can't adapt to being dead.
nacko
If the rate of vaccines causing autism were very high, I'd understand the outrage but since it instead appears to approach 0%, it's bull.
magisch
Even then, Vaccines would still be necessary. We can not go back unless we are willing to accept infant mortality rates of upwards of 10%
Cuntortionist
Life is a death sentence sooooooooooooooooooo
lostlittletimeonthis
Stupid life
Cuntortionist
rip
Alphatronx3
Has anyone actually met someone who is against vaccines? A girl at my high school was anti. The teacher got pissed
SadisticRainbow
Here you go. Me. But I'm not going to shove it down your throat. We all make our own choices.
TransistorRadio
My ex wife is, we are currently in a custody legal battle and vaccinating my kids is one issue. My son already had measles because of her.
Essseff
Yet shes still anti-vaxxer?
TransistorRadio
yep, all her friends are too. nutty bunch of people.
Essseff
Wow that has to be tough. I'm sorry
robmom
Work with a guy who's wife is anti-vac, I'm not sure what he thinks as he's the type to just go along with whatever his wife wants.
robmom
Work with a guy who's wife is anti-vac, I'm not sure what he thinks as he's the type to just go along with whatever his wife wants.
GhoulsNightOut
Yeah there were some anti-illuminati kids at my high school that ate this shit up. They would have believed anything though.
rattlesnail
Some of my hubs' side... Great people but weird views on this.
PrincessAmalthea
Yeah. I lost a good friend over it. Her unwillingness to take her daughter who was failing to thrive to a dr plus her anti vax stand 1/
PrincessAmalthea
Bc vax are zombie juice by the govt (her words) caused me to cut her out of my life. She was too extreme and pushy and hateful. Ignorant. /2
Alphatronx3
Man. I don't know what I would've done in that situation. Is the daughter ok?
PrincessAmalthea
Last I knew she was 12 lbs at 18 months and wearing 3 mos clothes...as a mandated reporter I had to call her in but cps didn't do anything.
eddiebarzoon
http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com
ampersandra
http://www.isitajewishholidaytoday.com
Starnam
you I like
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crumbhustler
Yea wish that was labeled. Loud music and dudes banging just appeared on my screen whilst talking to a coworker.
molestmymonkey
Haven't seen this link for years. Thanks for reminding me this exists. That was sarcasm.
CinnamonSugar
https://isitchristmas.com/
guantanamobayxx
Whoever made that is a god damn silent hero.
remed
http://rickandmortyadventuresall100years.com/
Catchyouontheflipside
upvotes for everybody!
wolfpreist
I post that if i don't see it already. You're doing gods work.
MayorLavonHayes
My bio teacher doesn't believe in vaccines.
ianrl337
As long as she doesn't teach it. She starts to teach anti-vax she needs to be fired.
CoolJWR100
the HTML
squigglerant
http://shutupandtakemymoney.com/
lawlysmoke
I'm in vet tech school... we have to take an extra class on zoonotic (contagious to humans) diseases that can be prevented with vax 1/2
lawlysmoke
because nutjobs have taken anti-vaccination measures as far as not wanting to vaccinate their animals. WHAT THE FUCK. 2/2
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
I thought I heard a while ago, before this anti-vax, that some people didn't want to get their dogs rabies shots? Because of bad reactions?
lawlysmoke
I'd rather have my pet undergo some general discomfort as they acclimate to the live vaccine than die from getting bit by anything.
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
I think the bad reaction was that some dogs died.
nikosuave
I, too, work as a vet tech and this shit drives me insane. People don't understand unless they see what shit like Lepto can actually do 1/2
nikosuave
To a dog. And then it's, "Well, why can't you save him?" 2/2
lawlysmoke
It's always our fault!
nonpondo
Oh my god, do you have a zootrician class cause people make their dogs vegan
ianrl337
And cats to. Let's take two carnivores and make them vegan, what could go wrong.
NipplesInAJar
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
GlennBecksChalkboard
The great lazer-eyed bunny is 73% there tho.
toastface5
http://ismycomputeronfire.com/
YoureAWizardJr
Lol wtf
IusedtobeapervertIstillambutIusedtobetoo
LOL "nope"
derpsquid
https://isitchristmas.com/
CyberAkuma
I looked at the source, that is WAY over-complicating a single script that has to display "YES" on a certain date and "NO" any other time...
doodledr
Accounting for date and time within a script is more complicated than it should be, due to time-zones, different styles of dates...
astamurti
http://iscaliforniaonfire.com
GlennBecksChalkboard
http://isdmxinjail.com/
astamurti
The fire site is actually continuously updated, if you add "where" to the front of the url, it will give locations.
Angelist
It is?
RandomImgurian
It always is.
SgtEziosRequiem
Kay. I expect this to change when it does, though
NipplesInAJar
See also: https://isitchristmas.com/
CommentFarmer
.
daiconrad
View source and read the comment at the top of that. "isitchristmas.com takes your security very seriously." Wow!
Procrastinating4Dayz
Someone must commit to this and remind us to check it on christmas.
AgentYork1337
I volunteer
waynebradybitch
FFPatrick
Cool, now lets see some GIF's from the Gun Control episode. That was a great one too.
GetInMyBelly
my favorites are the recycling and peta episodes
Thor1229
Most people don't understand why we even have the 2nd Amendment. That episode did a great job explaining.
EngineerZero
Source? Would love to see it
mistatorso
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw62pw_penn-teller-bullsht-on-gun-laws_fun
iamleejn
People, like yourself, that find these links are the heroes of the interwebs.
mistatorso
Thank you:-)
relevanceisirrelevant
'Bumper stickers are at the cutting edge of intelligent debate'
AncientSeraph
Just watched it, but it's incredibly biased (no surprise) and has some fallacies. They bash Roger's opinion of wanting to feel safe, but
ThatShiftyMonkey
All of their episodes were biased. Kinda the point. It's like they provided their side of a debate, but that doesn't mean its the only side.
AncientSeraph
use it as an argument for gun control in the rest of the episode. And their whole main point (rebellion) is outdated. What's a handgun going
AncientSeraph
to do against proper military equipment? Nothing at all. And they didn't bring up a comparison with Europe anywhere, because it would debunk
KeeleonOhms
Which is why fully automatic weapons and explosives should also be legal under the 2nd ammendment.
AncientSeraph
... sure.. fire with fire, that's always worked out for the best. Make tanks road-legal, and fighter jets for PPLs!
beeratius
I forgot, was Australia's gun recall mentioned? It was a pretty big success
AncientSeraph
Nope.
AncientSeraph
all their arguments of "guns deter violence and criminals".
BadgerlandBandit
I compiled some info from a UN study and USA is more violent overall, but England had more violence with knives, clubs, etc (IIRC)
TrickyChlovers
I got my flu shot today!! Woo hoo
SgtEziosRequiem
Sorry about your UnDankMeme-itis, man.
Thecreatorofthejonasbrothers
Never have had a flu shot. Never had the flu. P.S. This is not in support of anti-vaxxers. F*** those guys.
TrickyChlovers
Congrats for not getting the flu!!!
SkeletonHitler
Last time I got the flu shot, it took me 2 hours. Fuck CVS
TrickyChlovers
I work for CVS I'm a pharmacy tech. I'm sorry for your bad experience but flu demand can be tough and at my store we have 1 pharmacist 1/2
TrickyChlovers
2/2 per shift and that means we are stretched thin managing flu shots and other peoples unrealistic expectations
SkeletonHitler
Well then fuck the flu. We can all agree on that
TrickyChlovers
That's why I get the fly shot
Timesplosion
Devil's Advocate here (I'm pro-vaccination IRL). Imagine how genetically awesome the survivors in a vaccine-free world would be! Discuss.
poguemahon
Assuming there's survivors.
IveBeenSlackingMyWholeLife
that's not how genetics works. end of discussion
geekily
Sounds like the book 'Running Out of Time'.
raptorclawhandshake
Shot put.
edwardelricsnipples
Yeah that's how you're a talking hairless monkey instead of a glop of amino acids
CarlosSpicyweiner
Yep. The 1,000 people left would have it made.
shiyal
Was reading about my ancestors in Switzerland. Some plague showed up in the 1400s, all the male survivors sat around a table to... Discuss.
shiyal
Literally the entire towns make population. Around one table. Something like 1 in 20 survived.
Pgoodso
Genetics isn't like X-Men. Those that survived the bubonic plague were luckier or cleaner, not genetically superior. People still get plague
WobblyThombat
Most likely they would've invented vaccination. Oh, that actually happened.
crookednixon
Not very impressive. Even if they become immune to those diseases, they would get less diversity without the people saved by the vaccines.
Timesplosion
Vertu good point. The bottom line is, long term, no one wins.
valen00
They wouldn't be, mostly they would be lucky, and probably somewhat impaired/disabled.
Kiore
They tried that, it was called the Dark Ages and it didn't go so well.
varathorn
Well our population might go down. That's a plus.
BatSharkRepellent
You have genetic immunity for a disease that doesn't exist it's not that awesome. It's pretty meh.
supremacysun
Immunity isn't hereditary. Otherwise nobody would get the chickenpox if their parents had it.
LearningOnImgur
Yeah it doesn't work like that. People MIGHT evolve to be immune to a disease...but viruses evolve too. Technology evolves faster than both.
scottynoface
I beg to differ. Virions evolve much more quickly than technology. Source: mol biologist
warick
It would disproportionately kill off the underclasses, which is always a good thing.
Artopho
Wouldn't there still be just as many nasty bugs?
Havenfall
Uhmmm same as now but much less people (which might cause genetic bottleneck). Vaccine works because out immune system learn to recognize
Poltergeist94
Yeah, nobody would have autism!
Canofminus
But we are the decedents of people who didn't have vaccinations.
GambitsEnd
Since the viruses/bacteria mutate each year, there wouldn't be many survivors (and it wouldn't be for being 'genetically awesome').
girlpants
Devil's advocate would wondering how OPs post would have been better if OP hadn't been vaccinated. Yours is just satisfying sci-fi.
Timesplosion
Fair enough. I'm satisfied with satisfying Sci-fi.
Timesplosion
Sci-fi deserves a little satisfaction anyway.
retsaoter
We would all be descendants of milk maids. Oh wait, immunity isn't genetic.
ArcaneConjecture
We already ARE genetically awesome. We evolved brains that invented vaccines.
idownvoteplottwist
As a fellow Advocate, I appreciate your bravery doing this on imgur. That said, the timescales aren't long enough for that to work.
Shoelebubba
Not very. They may not die of most diseases but one bout with the wrong type of flu and it's over.
Cynistera
Stop advocating for the devil, he's kind of a dick and he doesn't need your help to convince someone of their own ignorant opinions.
Bitterkandy
Someone isn't aware that diseases evolve.
mycatisstan
Because of the enormous global population, any people with natural immunities to the diseases we currently vaccinate against are so (1)
mycatisstan
sparsely located throughout the globe that it's unlikely they'd be able to meet, reproduce, and pass on their genetic material quickly (2)
mycatisstan
enough to beat the viruses that would be taking down the rest of the population, without which society would of course crumble! (3)
PutThatThingBackWhereItCameFromOrSoHelpMeGod
We are those survivors... and we developed kick-ass ways to survive and adapt to new viruses. WE ARE THE FUTURE!
Chryos
Vaccines don't do anything that catching the virus doesn't.
kisselface
But viruses can do things that vaccines don't... Such as kill you.
Chryos
Yes, but they don't necessarily kill people that are deficient in any way. Really, really fit people can die to illness.
Carger
The genophage doesn't create strong krogan. The only factor it filters is the ability to survive the genophage.
AgentDucky42
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sake_of_argument.png
Timesplosion
Thank you.
kisselface
Is the adaptive immune system hereditable? If it's not, then the survivors' progeny wouldn't be any better off.
JasonD
Of course it is, in the extreme long run.
giraffealope
Nah, it's not. Just in case you were wondering. I can't tell sarcasm on the internet :(
wilsonsmith
I don't want to sound like a nazi but we are making weaker people I'm not a white supremacist just a supremacist in general
kisselface
Weaker people with stronger immune systems? Vaccines evoke the same immune response as the corresponding pathogen without getting sick. 1/
wilsonsmith
Yeah but things like genetic disorders run rampant wen they arnt darwined out (I have ideas not good vocabulary)
rosiethereaver
Says someone that presumably hasn't died from polio, tetanus, or smallpox.
axiomatik
Wouldn't change much. Vaccines work because our bodies already know how to make antibodies to these diseases, we just need exposure to 1/
leagueofaffability
People didn't have so much resistance as they had luck. Genetics had little to do with disease survival, assuming you were healthy.
1DogFoodLid
Genetics had a lot to do with disease survival. Like sickle cell anemia, guarded against malaria. Etc.
giraffealope
That's because malaria is a spirochete, the immature form of which matures in red blood cells, and sickle cell reduces the life span 1/?
giraffealope
viruses and attacks about every tissue in your body. Unless you're mutating into a sea cucumber, good luck evolving out of that risk. 3/3
giraffealope
of red blood cells to times unsuitable for maturation. Compare that to say, the smallpox virus, which is one of the most independent 2/?
Femtoscientist
Adaptive immunity cannot be passed down to progeny. Also, mutations in reproductive cells to be resistant to an organism=highly unlikely
thisisrachels
What about the modern relatives of plague survivors who are now immune to HIV?
Zyrixion
What? I think you're getting your shit confused/believing bullshit, let's see some source bro.
thisisrachels
http://www.hivplusmag.com/case-studies/research-breakthroughs/2012/09/07/anyone-immune-hiv there's more. Google.
Femtoscientist
Yes it does offer some imminity due to a mutated T cell receptor. Keep in mind that out of a population of billions and thousands of yrs (1)
Femtoscientist
Tens of thousands yrs evolution this is the single instance of heritable resistance. They also need to have both copies of gene mutated.
stealthkat14
neuroscientist here. biology doesnt work that way.
IlluminaBlade
There are things that hunt deadly snakes and are immune to their venom, It seems to work that way if you wait long enough.
PowderBill
That's venom resistance, you have to macro-organisms that evolve slowly. not comparable to us vs bacteria.
PowderBill
two*
theretheyretheir
Thanks. I was completely lost
Timesplosion
Too bad. I guess humanity would be down to just the Wolverines and Deadpools.
ianrl337
Do you really want a world of Wolverines? World of Deadpools yeah, but not Wolverines.
WakeUpYoureInAComa
And Hulks.
Qualtagh
Brilliant explanation there. Great use of sources and examples.
XenuWorldOrder
Brb. Going to make another account to uproot this again.
giraffealope
It would be a realllly long explanation, but if there's interest, I could throw together a hasty Immune System 101.
stealthkat14
you're right, let me delineate the extensive literature in 160 characters. or you can wiki immune system and get a more comprehensive answer
ANewBadlyDrawnReactionImageAsIMakeThem
140, actually. 160 is that other site.
stealthkat14
woopsie. then again, that adds to my point, so woohoo!
Qualtagh
Haha yeah I know. But anyone who actually cared would be googling up more info anyway.
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
I do not entertain hypotheticals, the world as it is, is vexing enough.
IamMorganFreeman
*pipe smoking intensifies*
notme222
The world is also very gray and muddy as it is. Hypotheticals strip out the distractions so we can focus on the important questions.
NiftyNips
Whispers out the side of my mouth: "Somebody's grumpy"
ThatShiftyMonkey
someone's got a case of the mondays
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
.... It's a quote from True Grit...
NiftyNips
Ah. I think I have that book but alas, have not yet read it.
thatsmyidentifier
Yes natural selection. Viruses do the same. It's an evolutionary arms race that will never end.
flounder35
this ain't a species it's a god damn arms race
unclezz
Red Queen hypothesis my friend
giraffealope
Not really. The HIV virus mutates every replication. A single blood drop carries thousands of virii. They replicate much faster than humans.
giraffealope
Which is why we use our massive cerebral cortices to create vaccines. Because we're smart enough to know that the scientific method is 1/2
giraffealope
a hell of a lot better than clinking our polymerases together until our telomeres stop fraying.2/2
beeratius
Science is one hell of a drug
kisselface
And viruses mutate much more rapidly than human genomes evolve, sooo...
slayball
SCIENCE!
schr610
Boom, roasted
1AMTHEBATMAN
Scary to think that without smarties doing science stuff viruses would evolve to be stupid efficient human killers and we could do nothing
Timesplosion
Smarties? Like the candy?
1AMTHEBATMAN
Just like the candy. I am also super curious as to how you got here 2 months late
zt2211
I doubt viruses will be able to mutate more rapidly than future genetic engineering will be able to manipulate the human genome.
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thiscannotpossiblygowrong
Even with genetic manipulation we only get to do that one a generation. A human generation is hundreds of thousands of times longer than 1/
thiscannotpossiblygowrong
a virus's generation. They can evolves faster than we can manipulate. 2/2